Video: Draft Express breaks down Noah Vonleh

  • 02/10/2014 5:13 pm in

Draft Express goes in-depth on Noah Vonleh in the detailed scouting video above. The good: “Vonleh has the body, length and intensity-level needed to compete on the interior in the NBA. He shows some ability to score both inside and out, flashing hook shots over either shoulder and range out to the 3-point line. And the bad: “He lacks elite explosiveness as a shot-blocker and finisher around the basket, and ranks as one of the poorest passers in this draft class, posting the worst assist to turnover ratio and assist per possession rate, to go along with the third worst PPR, which could be an issue as he transitions from the center spot collegiately to the power forward position in the NBA.”

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  • Andy

    One More Year!

  • thrawnjan

    How exactly is he supposed to get assists on a team that understands an open look as an invitation to drive into three defenders 🙂

  • Obviously good enough to leave but I think he stays. I think winning is important to this kid and next year he will have a chance to win and possibly make more money than he could have this season. Who knows though. Many are starting to favor him over Julius Randle. If he’s top 5, it’d be hard to pass that money and draft position up. Its starting to seem like a real possibility.

  • Hoosier_DC

    He could potentially be a number 1 pick next year…playing with 2 other McDonald’s All-Americans in Yogi and JBJ and Yogi being one of the top point guards/distributors in the nation next year. I don’t think he’d be crazy for leaving early but the upside/potential is huge for NV

  • Kenneth234

    Wow, the negatives clips they showed, made Noah look like he is terrible. We know that the good far outweighs the bad, but those clips did him no favor. Top 5 or not, he should return and make sure that he works on improving his BB IQ, his footwork, his handle, and athleticism. If he makes big strides in those areas in the off season, he could easily be the number one pick next season.

  • BluegrassHoosier

    I agree with the comment on poor passing. Rarely does he pass out of a double or triple team. Maybe the coaches are telling him not to pass, but the opportunity is clearly there on most possessions.

    We’re kidding ourselves with the “he needs another year” talk. He is a young 18 and plenty of NBA teams would lottery pick him even if his minutes are limited as a rookie. They want potential not necessarily a 20+ point scoring rookie.

    Do we really think playing at IU next year better prepares him long term than actually being in the NBA next year?

  • Kelin Blab

    I have always said Noah is better than his opportunities at IU.
    + I think he can play the 3 or 4 because he has the handle
    + Noah has a better post game than Cody. Always hoped Cody would develop a jump hook, very difficult shot to defend.
    + Noah should get the ball alot more….Mr. Obvious
    + His explosiveness is under rated to me….he can get off the ground and go over people when he has too.

  • dssnyder1

    correct me if I’m wrong, and I know you will, but couldn’t he still be a high school senior? I’m guessing he didn’t do a whole lot of passing to outside shooters when he played in high school. he is exactly the kind of kid IU wants as a player.

    good god, I hope he stays!

  • Reverend_AK

    I just don’t understand why we, as fans, want players to come in here and be here for only one year. I like Noah, and his character and work ethic alone refelcts well upon IU. And when I was his age, there is no doubt what I would have done. But let’s look at what good does it do for Noah to have come to IU, if he only leaves after one season? I think that everyone can agree that Cody should have stayed another year, and probably only left because of the percieved strength of the current class. So we the hardcore fans, the older guys whose time in the sun have passed, (reminder to CTC, I have eligibility and am a lights out 3 point shooter, even at 40) are supposed to think it is good for IU to become a layover for guys on the way to the NBA? In my limited knowledge, I asses that if Noah leaves, IU will be in big trouble in the middle. (although I have been majorly impressed by HMP of late, and think Crean deserves a lot more credit for his rapid improvement lately) We will not have any depth. THEN, we will all be talking about Blackmon leaving early. The “UK-won-a-championship-and-this-is-the-new-age” crowd will disagree, but I don’t want to be like UK, in ANY way. I live in New Albany, y’all don’t know what it’s like being knee deep in blue down here. I would like to point out that UK won with a mixture of players and ironically reaped a harvest from the NBA lockout.Noah is a great kid, and I want the best for him, but like the great poets Bone once reminded us, we are at the Crossroads, and I, for one, would rather steer clear of (most) of the one-and-done-ers. (in-state players are different, but that’s another argument) and I am willing to give CTC a little lee-way for trying to build the program. (maybe not as much for taking Yogi out on the road and giving up a 7-0 run)

  • Steve Fischer

    Two more years- Gee maybe he could consider graduating from college ( Gasp!).

  • Guest

    It’s possible… I’m not saying he should stay, but 18 is very young to be out in the world by yourself – I couldn’t have done it personally. Look at what Greg Oden said about how tough it was for him living along in Portland at that age.

  • inLinE6

    For all the fairness I understand your points, but in reality the players are only playing for themselves. The four-year players, with all my respect, are staying only because they’re not good enough, from a basketball point of view. I definitely want our players stay longer and get a degree, but good players are meant to play professionally and when there’s great opportunity, you have no reason to turn down. Like many fans here, I myself have good education and degrees, and I did it only because those prepare me for a good career start. But those meant less for the professional players. They only get 10-15 years career as a pro player and you probably don’t want them to waste four years in college. I would love to see them eventually finish with a degree (like Cody did) but won’t blame them if they can’t. As long as they unpack their backpack, behave and act like a good student athlete while they’re here, I’m all good.

  • ScoopGeoff

    It has nothing to do with UK…. They are just the team that’s done it with a majority of 1-&-doners… Look at every champion from 1993-2012 and the rosters are littered with talents that went early to the NBA. It is simple, the facts bear out that of you want to win a title, you must have at least 1 or 2 players minimum that are 1-&-done calibre. (Whether or not they choose to go is difficult to control)

  • ScoopGeoff

    Yes, he reclassified and graduated early. However, at prep school last year he spent quote a bit of time as a secondary perimeter ball-handler – even on a squad whose PG went to GA Tech and had 2 other D1 guards.

    He is spending far more time in the post this year than last. Partially because his team had other post players and partially because he has a perimeter skill set. My guess is he is struggling with passing because he is used to having the ball in situations where he has full court vision, whereas now he primarily catches the ball and gets double-teams from players coming from a blind spot and it’s a difficult adjustment to make at the B1G level.

    I have little doubt it’s a part of his game that will vastly improve with reps and confidence.

  • MillaRed

    I love the weaknesses. Two travels when he never lifts his pivot foot and no, he cannot finish when you beat the crap out of him.

    I’m beginning to wonder if we realize how good this kid is. How good he can be. What’s not to like? He’s 18 and 2 months old!!!

  • MillaRed

    One of the problems is our guys sit and stare at the kid half the time instead of creating a passing lane.

  • MillaRed

    Unless your Doug McDermott of Creighton. The probable NCAA player of the year.

  • Ryan Goods

    the weaknesses portion of draft express videos always make the players look terrible

  • 5_Banners

    I wish more recruitment videos showed the bad parts of the players’ game instead of highlight reels that are pretty misleading most of the time.

  • 5_Banners

    Probably the most underrated part of Zeller’s game while at IU. As a freshman, he showed how to pass out of double teams frequently.

  • ScoopGeoff

    …and there’s that…

  • Hooser1809

    Young David West!!

  • plane1972

    The perceived weaknesses are the exact reason a kid like Noah takes the leap earlier than he should. If he stays in college too long and the weaknesses persist, his stock goes down. Cody would have suffered in the draft had he stayed. Marcus Smart is feeling some of that right now. The same thing could happen to Noah if he stays a second year. Hope I’m wrong, but this does not give me a warm and fuzzy feeling about him staying.

  • FeatheryOne

    Hard to say his stock would have fallen since we will never know. Staying a second year actually improved his stock (top 10 to a top 5). In NV case- Being 18 and staying in college til your 19 won’t hurt you at all compared to being 22 and waiting until your 23 IMO.

  • Alford Bailey

    Your first line says volumes. We will be watching Noah in a couple of years in the NBA and looking back and saying we had this kid why did IU not get more out of him.

  • Alford Bailey

    If I am a 5 star big I think I would have doubts about playing in the B1G. The rough play is ridiculous and can actually hurt your draft status. Yes, I know how good he is which is why I question why CTC does not do more to get him the #$% ball.

  • Snookafly

    Thumbs up just for the Bone reference.

  • SCHoosier

    Forget the passing issues..the kid is triple-teamed every time he touches the ball in the post. Tough to catch…shoot…pass or drive in that situation. NV will be a 4 in the NBA..different and more varied opportunities for offense at that position.
    Sure another year at IU would help his game..but if he has to play the 5 again..he’s better off in the pro’s. Money is just too good to risk a problem.

  • marcusgresham

    ….and just look at Oden. He was 62 when he was a rookie.

  • Rie

    If you want to see the major upside passing out of the post creates, watch Dwight Howard and the Rockets this season. They have a very similar offense to IU (although it is a read and react system), in the sense that they are a transition team with a ball-dominate guard and dominate big man, surrounded by shooters (ideally IU has shooters like last year). They like to takes threes and shots at the rim. Just watch any of our tape this season and see how fast the other team collapses on Noah. If he would develop this part of his game, we are talking about an even more lethal big man, which would raise his draft stock that much closer to being number one. If he comes back, this is a serious possibility.

  • Kenneth234

    That is what I see him as too, possibly a little better, which being better than a multiple time all star in the NBA is pretty darn good. But if we have learned anything from Cody’s development, we know that Mr. Jackson can extend the athletic capabilities of players over the course of a short time. Cody was always quick for a big man, but I would be surprised if anyone thought his vertical leap would be measure where it was in the NBA draft camps. And if Noah, can get close to that level of athleticism, he is a sure fire top 3 pick barring injury. But we also need to look at his body maturity he has that Zeller still is lacking. Noah could likely develop into a true monster physically in another year. And at that point, any NBA team would be a fool to pass on him at the number 1 spot of the draft. And I am not certain that there are really any NBA players that would compare with that level of physicality and skill set in the league today.
    Being listed at 6’10” and at 240 lbs with his wing span, is incredible for an 18 year old. But if he can add another 15 to 20 lbs of muscle to his frame, without losing mobility; the guy could step on to the NBA stage and have a major impact immediately. That is approaching becoming a unique combination of skill and athletic prowess that separates the most elite players at their positions in the NBA from the rest of the league.

  • Kenneth234

    Please do not compare him with Marcus Smart, that kid seems to have some character issues that I cannot believe exist with Noah.

  • 3AM Burrito

    I agree on points 1 – 3, Noah needs way more face up perimeter touches give his handle and shot. I think playing Perea with Vonleh needs to happen for some stretches, Perea could still help on offensive boards if Noah is outside some.
    I disagree somewhat on his explosiveness at least on a standing jump, he doesn’t have that real easy lift, he has had more than one occasion when he has tried to go up and dunk but fell short. He does have a great explosive step off dribble though.

  • Gregory Spera

    His dad insisted he stay all four years.

  • Earl Scheib

    The chance to win a national championship, develop your game even further, get closer to a degree, and be a sure-fire top 5 pick vs. leaving after one season, taking a lesser payout and hoping you don’t get pushed around in the NBA. The choice is yours Noah. May you do what is right for you. But whatever it is, there’s no disputing that you’re destined for greatness. Go Hoosiers!

  • IU_TheOracle

    I’m torn on what to think he will do, a part of my believe he will stay another year because he decided to register for school a year early, which makes me think that he decided to enter college early to get two season in. However, this could mean the exact opposite, where he may have entered early just to get to the NBA faster. I think that Noah has proven that he is worthy of a top 10 pick this season, however it would greatly benefit him to stay in school one more year, not only to further develope his game, but financially speaking where he will probably be picked around 7-10 where next season he will probably be picked between 1-4 which is a huge difference in money. So unless he is desperate to get paid right away, it would be very smart to wait one more year.

  • kris

    In the forum, @CreanFaithful provided this link. The one-and-done chatter about Noah is just that … chatter. Read for yourself (see the link below), but I don’t think Noah is going anywhere after this season, except Cook Hall’s gym.…or-four-years/

  • Alford Bailey

    Yep and next year actually having a couple of serious threats besides Yogi from beyond the arch.

  • Jack Nolan

    Yeah- he’s terrible. Better stay through is Senior Year.

  • CreanFaithful

    LOL! I wonder why…

  • CreanFaithful

    In fairness, someone (possibly you) was trying to recall if Noah had indicated whether he intends to stay longer than one year in college and I found the article and posted it in reply. The URL doesn’t seem to be working anymore??? Anyways, that was a dated article and written before Noah ever played a game. I’m not convinced that because he made those remarks coming into college that his opinion will remain the same at the seasons end. I sure hope so! As an eternal optimist, I was trying to do my part to raise the hopes of others 🙂

  • WhatsUpKnight

    good point, and there’s also the risk of injury. still, staying an extra year didn’t hurt cody at all, and actually may have helped. i think the one thing we’ve got in our favor as far as this kid coming back is his age (afterall, he’s only been able to buy cigarettes for two months now).

  • plane1972

    Come on. You’re going a little overboard. The comparison was purely on the risk of not going to the draft when the time is ripe. And Marcus Smart is not a terrible kid. Tom Izzo vouched for him on Mike and Mike yesterday morning. He just made a poor decision in the heat of the moment.

  • dwdkc

    Not only the difference in likely draft position, which is considerable financially–there is also the matter of his development and his 2nd contract. Surefire pros know that the 2nd contract is where most of their money over their careers will be made. As young as he is, he figures to improve quite a bit each year for awhile. He will still be a young man at the end of his rookie contract, and if he has one more year to develop, could command a higher value then as well as in his rookie contract.

  • Reverend_AK

    Not saying anyone wants him to leave, I am just saying that personally, I am hesitant to embrace the idea that we “need” guys to come in here for one year to make us a bigger draw to other kids who only want to play a year, think of the difference with next year’s team WITH Noah and/or without him. And also that without the two guys who were holdovers from the NBA lockout contributing to a title, (remember what Miller did to us in the tourney) the Calipari formula might not be getting such rave reviews. Not that anyone here was specifically saying that, but I have been reading these articles about Noah’s draft prospects, and without being critical of a really great kid, for obvious selfish reasons, and also basketball reasons, I clearly think he should watch tape of Zeller getting pushed around, and then tape of himself getting his shot blocked all the time and like our old friend Flava Flav would have said “Don’t believe the Hype.” (Couldn’t resist a second old school reference)

  • yimyames

    Probably all second half clips.

  • PDXHoosier

    If he stays we will have 3 McDs starting. that’s good.

  • Tucson Hoosier

    great post.

  • ScoopGeoff

    I didn’t include last year in my timeline, although Montrezl Harrell was considered a lottery pick if he decided to go, and McGary may very well have ended up there too… But I’m not including “finalists”, just champions because that’s what we’re shooting for here…

    I’m not going to go year-by-year, it just takes too long, but every champion had either multiple top 10 recruits or freshmen that played well enough to garner 1st round love (again, not all chose to follow that route). The facts are clear – you need to sign 1-and-done type talent to win a title. Your chances improve dramatically if they choose to stick around for a couple-few years.