Recruiting notebook: Vonleh highest ranked RSCI recruit in Crean era

  • 05/30/2013 9:18 am in


With final rankings released for all of the major recruiting services over the last month, the Recruiting Services Consensus Index (RSCI) was updated for last time for the 2013 class and four Indiana signees made the cut.

Noah Vonleh came in at No. 8 in the final RSCI update for 2013, making him the highest ranked recruit to-date in the Tom Crean era at Indiana.

Cody Zeller had previously held that distinction in the class of 2011, where he ranked No. 10.

Troy Williams was the second IU recruit on the list at No. 51, Stanford Robinson checked in at No. 61 and Luke Fischer was No. 71. Indiana is the only Big Ten school with four consensus top 100 recruits in the class of 2013.

Coleman leaving Cathedral

One of the top class of 2015 recruits in Indiana, Jalen Coleman, is leaving Cathedral and enrolling at La Lumiere in LaPorte.

Kyle Neddenriep of The Indianapolis Star was the first to report the transfer, which appears to be a result of the financial strain of attending Cathedral.

“Cathedral is an excellent school and Jalen got a lot out of it,” Piankhi Lands, Coleman’s father, told Neddenriep. “He really grew up there the last two years. But as a family, we’re struggling a little bit financially, and Cathedral is a little bit out of our price range, especially if we had two kids going there. La Lumiere could offer a 100 percent scholarship.”

Coleman’s younger brother, Isaiah, is also expected to attend La Lumiere. Coleman is considering several schools, including Cincinnati, Clemson, Duke, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Purdue and Providence.

Final regular season EYBL stats

With all four of the regular season Nike Elite Youth Basketball League (EYBL) sessions complete, the league moves on to a playoff format in July with the Peach Jam in North Augusta, South Carolina.

Here’s a look at the final regular season EYBL stats for James Blackmon Jr. and several of the prospects being recruited by Indiana:

· Blackmon Jr., Spiece Indy Heat: 19.3 points (54.2 FG%), 3.9 rebounds, 2.4 assists in 27.9 minutes per game.

· Trevon Bluiett, Spiece Indy Heat: 18.5 points (49.8 FG%), 4.4 rebounds, 3.7 assists, 1.1 steals in 27.6 minutes per game.

· JaQuan Lyle, Spiece Indy Heat: 14.3 points (52.3 FG%), 5.9 rebounds, 4.3 assists, 1.6 steals in 27.5 minutes per game.

· Ahmed Hill, Southern Stampede (did not qualify for Peach Jam): 12.6 points (39.7 FG%), 3.7 rebounds, 1.7 assists in 26.8 minutes per game.

· Malachi Richardson, Team Final: 15.0 points (44.3 FG%), 3.7 rebounds, 2.0 assists in 25.0 minutes per game.

· Phil Booth, Team Takeover: 12.2 points (41.1 FG%), 4.4 rebounds, 2.8 assists, 1.2 steals in 22.5 minutes per game.

· Dion Wiley, Team Takeover: 14.1 points (45.9 FG%), 2.7 rebounds, 1.9 assists, 1.3 steals in 20.7 minutes per game.

· Marcus Derrickson, Team Takeover: 6.9 points (50.0 FG%), 4.0 rebounds in 14.5 minutes per game.

· Elijah Thomas, Team Texas Elite: 15.5 points (59.4 FG%), 6.8 rebounds, 1.8 blocks in 21.4 minutes per game.

· D’Angelo Russell, E1T1: 13.7 points (40.8 FG%), 5.2 rebounds, 3.5 assists, 1.4 steals in 26.2 minutes per game.

· Isaiah Briscoe, New Jersey Playaz (did not qualify for Peach Jam): 21.1 points (38.9 FG%), 2.9 rebounds, 2.8 assists, 1.2 steals in 28.0 minutes per game.

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  • Geoff_85

    This is great. I’m definitely glad that Vonleh is getting some love. I hope we remember one thing though, and that’s the fact that while Vonleh is ranked higher than Zeller was, the production that Zeller gave as a freshman is not typical, even for a player ranked that high. My sincere hope is that Vonleh performs just as well. However if he doesn’t, we don’t need to put him through the ringer and draw comparisons of production with Zeller when evaluating Vonleh’s freshman season.

  • Caleb Moore

    The comparisons will happen no matter what. Nothing wrong with that, it’s what fans do. I fully expect the kid to have more of a Zeller impact than a Parea impact. Quite frankly, I think Crean is going to see early that Fischer needs to be on the court. He was a HS All American and Parade All American. He’s going to be very good at IU and should be closer to ESPN’s 30-35 ranking versus in the 70s. Also like Troy a whole lot. Stan will get some run with our lack of ballhandlers and then we will see where DD and Colin fit. Hoosier fans are going to love DD’s energy and perhaps Colin becomes a spot up 3pt shooter who can also get to the rim. Good group that really came together fairly late.

  • marcusgresham

    I just hope Luke has frequent access to Coach Jackson and the nearest buffet. Guys don’t always perform their best when they’re huge (see: Rik Smits,) but he’ll need to bulk up to be able to withstand the banging in the B1G. You’re right, though, he’s going to be solid.

  • Corey Dunigan

    I agree about Fischer. Its hard for a #5 for get top level evaluation love, it seems like the high flying wings and slashing point guards get most of the higher rankings…. maybe its just me. I remember watching an interview with Luke where he was asked if he was insulted that Bo Ryan did not go after him. He said that he was not interest in playing slow half court games during college. He went of to talk about how he loves to run up and down. He will be the pleasant surprise to most Hoosier Fans. Luuuuke!

  • Miamihoosier

    I really believe a top 15 player who comes in an doesn’t have a big immediate impact, is often due largely to the program he chose. But look at Rivals list from last year, 13/15 ended up being stars. I’m sure it’s hard to process for some fans considering our success last year was so reliant on our experience, but you can also be really good by just having better players than your opponents….Yogi, Noah, and Will, will be better than the guy across from them most nights…if one or both of Troy Williams and Luke Fishcer ends up being able to say the same, we will finish top 3 in the Big Ten, and be hard to keep out of a 3rd straight sweet 16.

  • JerryCT

    I see the potential in Vonleh but in the games I have watched he was not a factor whatsoever. He will need to put in tons of work to meet the expectations that come with the ranking.

    I think FIscher will be the most satisfying player and here is why:

    1. In games he was supposed to dominate …………. he did
    2. In games he was supposed to win ………….. they did
    3. Already can score with either hand
    4. Plays tall unlike CW and CZ
    5. Gets up in the air very quickly w/o the windup of a Perea
    6. Light on his feet good runner
    7. Good catcher of passes

    My guess is he will thrive on the access to Cook Hall as well.

    I hope Pritchard can come back and help him learn to get and hold post positions

  • Miamihoosier

    Ah! The Pritchard reference lives on! Nice. Too bad Pritchard wasn’t around to teach Kent Benson his post moves, then we would of been REALLY good in 76. Just kidding Jerry, if anything I’d just like Pritchard to teach Fischer how to dunk against Minnesota

  • calbert40

    I agree. Unfortunately, the comparisons are nearly unavoidable, but that doesn’t mean they will be accurate or fair. Zeller was the focal point of the offense on a team that won 12 games the previous season, and we didn’t have a ton of expectations going into that season (most were hopeful for an NIT berth, and an NCAA berth would have been gravy).

    Vonleh has a different game than Zeller, and he probably will not be the offensive focal point. He is also coming in as the top rated recruit in what is probably our best recruiting class in the CTC era, and this team has some expectations to live up to…even if we don’t expect a Final Four like we did last season.

    I think we would all do well to not compare the two, because a freshman season like Zeller’s is rare and difficult to duplicate. That all said, I’m really excited to see him play in candy stripes instead of lame HS all-star games that don’t matter!!

  • calbert40

    I think that Vonleh, Williams and Fischer are the obvious crown jewels of this class, and I think we all rightly expect big things from them. That said, the guy you mentioned towards the end of your comment is one I may be the most excited to see: Stan. I really, really like his game, and I think that a backcourt with him and Yogi could be deadly at times. I don’t know how much time he will earn this season, but I expect big things out of him too.

  • mike griff

    Vonleh is obviously going to be a great player for us. But the player who I am most excited to watch is Troy Williams. The kid is a freak athlete and with a little weight room help from coach jackson, he is going to be a force from day one and a future all american IMO

  • b_side

    Not sure Smits is the right comparison. The guy was 6 inches taller at 7’4. He’s also a former #2 pick (avg. 25 and 9 his senior year) and was a one-time all-star. Pretty safe to say he had a very impressive college and pro career.

    Foot injuries derailed what could have been a more productive career, so I don’t think bulking up would have helped his frame. He became more of a 7’4 shooting guard in the pros, but probably couldn’t handle more than the 250 lbs he packed on.


    Agree, 6’11” seems to be somewhat of a stretch. From the viewing angles that I have had he looks closer to 6’9″ and 6’10” almost looks like it might be a stretch.

  • kennygeorge

    Yes, Stan is going to show so much drive and energy, That I think TC will want him and Yogi together since the combo will be so deadly, ike a viper snake in the grass. They are going to be a very efficient team imo.

  • lolman

    I know this might sound crazy but hear me out. What if Peter Jurkin and Hanner Mosquera-Perea have made significant strides this summer?

    Couldn’t line up be more like this?

    5.) Jurkin
    4.) Perea/Fischer
    3.) Vonleh
    2.) Williams/Sheehey
    1.) Ferrell


    If Jurkin could be is %50 as good as Zeller his 2nd year IU should easily have a sweet 16 team. I feel Vonleh is quick enough to guard the 3 spot eliminating issues he might have guarding heavier 4s in the B1G. Vonleh at the SF position would much more versatile on both ends. I think Vonleh would succeed at both the 3 and 4 spot but the SF position seems like it might be the best position for him to succeed his first year.

    I’m not saying Jurkin will be good but there can still be a lot of movement with the “movement.”

  • PDXHoosier

    Maybe the Pritch can come back to be the screen setting coach.

  • PDXHoosier

    I’m not expecting anything out of Jurkin except for him to get a degree

  • lolman

    We can only hope.

  • calbert40

    I think it is normal for a fanbase to undervalue its returning sophomores in favor of overvaluing the programs incoming freshmen. In that respect, I think you are probably right: the 2012 class has not and will not cease improving, and many of us may be underrating them for the upcoming season.

    That said, while I would love to see Jurkin be a significant contributor, he hasn’t even shown the ability to stay healthy enough to marginally contribute at this level. To suggest that he could start is “pie in the sky.” I hope that Jurkin proves the vast majority of us wrong, but I don’t see it. I’d be ecstatic if he was able to earn marginal rotational minutes…like a 9th or 10th player.

  • TorontoHoosierFan

    That’s hilarious! And accurate.

  • TorontoHoosierFan

    Completely agree. Haven’t been that impressed with Vonleh. From what I’ve seen, Williams will be the key to IU being a potential top 10 team next year.

  • JerryCT

    I miss the sound effects Pritchard added to the game on screens . SOunds like “splat, bam, pow , ugh ” …………… often followed by a look at the ref like …………. “me ? I hardly tapped him “

  • Gregory Spera

    It was just really shocking that when Jurkin did rarely get into a game last season, it looked like he had never seen a basketball before. Just odd that he was actually a high major recruit.

  • lolman

    Do you think there’s any chance he could average 7 to 8 points a game? I feel that if he couldn’t do that this year they should have redshirted him last year.

  • HoosierKen73

    I think Vonleh is a little longer than Jefferies, isn’t he? He is I thought I read where he is like 6′ 10.75″ in shoes, isn’t he? Anyway, currently I don’t think he has the shot that Jefferies had, but believe he is better around the rim, rebounding, and defensively.. agree?

  • CreamandCrimson

    Unless they didn’t want to be giving him a scholarship for 5 seasons.

  • CreamandCrimson

    I hope Stanford Robinson is a “spiritual leader like Oladipo” and a “mentally tough person” but I have no idea how you know that right now. I have no idea how you know that an incoming freshman is going to be a spiritual leader for this program. I hope you’re right but I don’t think expecting an incoming freshman to be a leader like Oladipo was is realistic. Oladipo had a special impact both on and off the court and that’s not something I expect to be replaced by someone we know very little about right now. I hope you’re right though.

  • calbert40

    No, I don’t. I think that if he becomes a reliable contributor it will be on the defensive end and in rebounding. I don’t think that Jurkin, even if he became a starter, would ever be likely to average 8 ppg. Again, I sincerely hope that Jurkin reads these boards and sees all of the doubt and just goes nuts this year, though.

  • CreamandCrimson

    Really unpredictable is absolutely right. I just think so highly of the presence Victor had that I have a hard time envisioning anyone replicating what he brought to Bloomington. I think Stan will be very solid though and again, I really hope you are 100% right!

  • Mooks

    Nobody will replicate VO, they just have to be their own person. I didn’t mean to put it in that prespective.


    Damn it, you and C & C quit stealing my thoughts. lol

  • calbert40

    I have always thought you were one of the most intelligent ITHers. Now, I can see why!! 🙂

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    Oh, I think Noah will be the offensive focal point whether he wants it or not. He’s too diverse in his skill set not to be and IU doesn’t have “that guy” coming back.

    Yogi will facilitate and score some, yes.

    Will is going to score but I don’t think he’s got the focal point type of game.

    Who does that leave besides Noah to be that focal point? I think other teams who game plan for IU will focus on taking him out of the game so that probably makes him the focal point by default.

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    If he lasts that long Jurkin may be a contributor as a junior and senior. Look at a guy like Olynik this past year for Gonzaga. He wasn’t worth the scholarship before this past season but he redshirted and made huge strides. I don’t think Crean has used a redshirt yet but I wouldn’t be disappointed to see him use one with Jurkin just to see what “could be” if he progresses.

  • Outoftheloop

    And vice versa against KY in the Sweet Sixteen. Love you anyhow Pritch!

  • Outoftheloop

    I respectfully disagree! Peter Jurkin will be a “player” at IU that we all will love, and count on defensively, like Deinge (sp) in Louisville, maybe not this year, but in years 3 and 4!

  • Outoftheloop

    I watched him a few years ago in Chicago at a big All-Star event and he was a force and played well! He as not injured then.

  • Outoftheloop

    Then why did Mo Creek handle, and thrive, on the “fandom” so well in his Frosh year?

  • marcusgresham

    I used him as an example because coaches tried to get him to bulk up for years and the extra weight affected his health (leading to a lot of those foot injuries,) and when Larry Brown became the coach he told Smits that he didn’t care what his weight was, but rather to play at the weight where Smits was the most comfortable. Smits most successful seasons were in that time period.

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    Pretty much exactly what I was saying there loop. Let me break down the comment for you:

    1) “If he lasts that long” refers to the tendency for players to transfer nowadays if they don’t think they’ll get immediate playing time.

    2) “may be” means I think he could be a contributor as an upperclassman.

    3) The reference to Olynik was pointing out how player can become a great player late in their career.
    4) The redshirt part is because I believe Peter could benefit from an extra year of nutrition and weight room work.

    So, I’m not sure what there was to disagree with there unless you were on the other side thinking he would never be a player?