Source: Hulls played through shoulder separation in final IU games

  • 03/30/2013 10:55 pm in

033013In the days leading up to Indiana’s Sweet 16 game with Syracuse at the Verizon Center, much attention was paid to the health of the right shoulder of Jordan Hulls.

And that was with good reason.

After the IU senior was involved in a collision during the first half of IU’s win over Temple, he returned in the second half wearing extra support under his jersey and scored five key points to help the Hoosiers move on to Washington D.C.

In the locker room after that win, Maurice Creek told reporters that Hulls told teammates that he’d “have to cut his legs off to keep him from playing” in the second half.

With three days of rest leading into the Syracuse game and comments on Wednesday from Hulls that he’d be fine to play in the regional semifinal, it appeared that his shoulder injury would not be an issue. Hulls knocked down 3-pointers from all over the court in IU’s open practice on Wednesday and wasn’t wearing any extra support underneath his jersey.

But when the ball tipped against the Orange, Hulls was again wearing the support under his jersey and a source tells Inside the Hall that the IU senior suffered a level 1 AC shoulder separation in the win over Temple.

The shoulder blade and collarbone are connected by the acromioclavicular or AC joint, which is held together by the acromioclavicular and coracoclavicular ligaments. In a level 1 separation, the AC ligament is partially torn, but the coracoclavicular ligament is not.

Hulls played 27 minutes against Syracuse, finishing scoreless (0-for-6 from the field) with three rebounds, two assists and a steal.

“I’m not going to make excuses about my shoulder,” Hulls said after the Syracuse game. “I came into the game knowing if I got popped it was going to hurt. But I wasn’t not going to play. I just had to go out there and make shots and I wasn’t able to do that.”

He’s accepted an invitation to play in the Portsmouth Invitational from Apr. 10-13. Established in 1953, the Invitational invites 64 of the top college players (seniors) to participate in a four-day, 12 game tournament in front of representatives from every NBA team.

Hulls finished his career with 1,318 points and played in an IU record 135 games.

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  • Ole Man

    We had high level talent this year. Two lottery picks.

  • Ole Man

    Amen, Mike. Thought Yogi and the team would have benefited more with him coming off the bench.

  • Victorbear

    Love what Hulls did for IU, but would he start for any of the current final four teams??? How about Yogi would he start????

  • Victorbear

    Love what Hulls did for IU, but would he start for any of the current final four teams??? How about Yogi would he start????

  • Ole Man

    Two lottery picks is elite talent. So I don’t know where you’re coming from.

  • Ole Man

    Yogi seemed to plateau or tire-out near the end of the season and go down from there.
    Yes, he had the JMU game, but other than that, I thought he would have been better coming off the bench.
    Part of coaching is being able to adjust what you’re doing.
    Crean can get stubborn at times; as with his Sub patterns.

  • Ole Man

    I don’t diss players. You do.
    Crean’s a highly paid individual. Part of his job description is to get analyzed and second guessed. So what I say is hardly venom.
    Also, you so called fans hear something on ESPN and take it as gospel, then vomit it back on this blog as if it was true or somehow your original thought.
    And you’re one of the worse.
    I repeat: if you want to diss players who give you their all (when most of you aren’t worthy of cleaning their jocks), then go find another team.
    You’re not true Hoosier fans.
    I’ll say it again. Anyone dissing Hulls is a retard. Go to Kentucky. They like drinking koolaid.

  • John

    I know this is an article on Jordan Hulls and I feel for him and his unfortunate injury at a horrible time. He was a great story.

    But here’s the reality. In a short while, Andrew Wiggins will be picking a school not named Indiana. Just like Julius Randle, and the Harrison Twins, and Jabari Parker before him. I’m extremely excited to see Noah Vonleh, a top 10 talent, choose Indiana.

    But to be an elite team, we need be in the running for these types of players on a year in, year out basis. Until the NBA and NCAA work something else out to change the one-and-done rule, this is the only way to bring home banner six.

    We also need the best in state players coming to Indiana. McGary, Harris, Robinson, Ferrell. I’d probably rank them in that order. I expect the best players in state to choose Indiana, if we are indeed the blue chip program Crean says we are. We already lost Irvin next year, and Trey Lyles. Here’s to hoping Crean continues to improve both as a coach and a recruiter. The 2012 class was very underwhelming despite the hype.

  • Right, we were not athletic at the 2 or 4 spot. Lacked shot blocking and guards who could get into the lane and either dish or finish.

  • Kenneth234

    I disagree, at the end of the season is not the time to reinvent or scrap what got you there. It is hard to gauge how much stamina was a factor in Yogi’s poor play. But you can easily see that he was confused, tentative and not playing well against the zone. But at that point, with Hulls shoulder injury (as tough as he obviously is) there was a need to play Yogi no matter what. My previous comment was based on what I thought should have been done from the beginning of the season. And it really had a lot less to do with playing two shorter guards than it did with Sheehey being proven on the collegiate level and having confidence based out of having contributed and earned a starters role coming off of his previous two seasons.

  • Kenneth234

    You got things twisted here. I don’t drink your Crean sucks kool-aid, that you serve so often. I have yet to blame any player individually. My comments are based on the objective reason that this team was reliant upon a single style of play, they have lots of different skill sets, however, those skills sets are lacking in areas that certain teams can take advantage of. There is no solution that the coach could have implemented, only the players could change their mental approach in order to overcome the lack of physical ability in certain aspects. Do you think for a second that Crean was not trying to get across that this team needs to understand that they are being played physical because the other team believes that is their best chance to win? How would you have toughened these kids up to get them past challenges that teams like Syracuse, Butler, Wisconsin, Ohio State (at the end of the season), and Minnesota?

  • Kenneth234

    You got things twisted here. I don’t drink your Crean sucks kool-aid, that you serve so often. I have yet to blame any player individually. My comments are based on the objective reason that this team was reliant upon a single style of play, they have lots of different skill sets, however, those skills sets are lacking in areas that certain teams can take advantage of. There is no solution that the coach could have implemented, only the players could change their mental approach in order to overcome the lack of physical ability in certain aspects. Do you think for a second that Crean was not trying to get across that this team needs to understand that they are being played physical because the other team believes that is their best chance to win? How would you have toughened these kids up to get them past challenges that teams like Syracuse, Butler, Wisconsin, Ohio State (at the end of the season), and Minnesota?

  • Semper IU

    Amnesia, C’mon man this guy was a “Mr. Basketball in the State of Indiana” & desired to come to this program when it was in the basement. To say he gave his heart & soul is an understatement. Jordy, Real Hoosiers got your back thanks for the memories & believing when few did your Character & Devotion to this State & University have impacted this program far beyond what one victory ever will.

    GO HOOSIERS!!!!

  • OldIUGymnast

    I don’t think that 5 shots that rimmed out are bricks. He shot 1 brick and it was when he got closed out on….

  • Justin Harrison

    +/- is dumb. It is particularly dumb when a player sits on defense at the end of games. It does not pick up anything. It is frequently misleading and is at best, meaningless. He was not the best player on the floor at any point in that Temple game.

    For instance, Khalif Wyatt’s +/- was -6 for that game. You might remember that he scored 31 points on 50% shooting from the floor. Scootie Randall, who played almost the whole game, had a +/- of 0. Randall, by the way, was 0-12 from the field. Did Randall have the better game??

    The only plus/minus statistic that is really meaningful is the +/- of one team compared to its opponent after 40 minutes. Sometimes this is referred to as “the final score.”

    There are good ways to defend Hulls’ contributions to the team this year. +/- is not one of them.

  • CreanFaithful

    First off, they aren’t lottery picks until they are actually picked. Second, you don’t have to repeat the same statement over and over and over again. We understand that you seem to think we SHOULD HAVE hung a banner this year. That is an unrealistic expectation.

  • CreanFaithful

    First off, they aren’t lottery picks until they are actually picked. Second, you don’t have to repeat the same statement over and over and over again. We understand that you seem to think we SHOULD HAVE hung a banner this year. That is an unrealistic expectation.

  • WhatsUpKnight

    coach k just got his butt whipped with 8 McD’s all americans. of course lousiville has 3, but still that’s less than half. haha! can’t argue that missing out on lyles and irvin isn’t a bitter pill to swallow though.

    i think next year’s class (which contains 4 espn top 100 players) will be far more ready for prime time than this year’s group, at least i hope they will!! not that i’m entirely down on this year’s freshman class. i still think jh is going to be pretty darn good. and hp too, eventually.

  • Earl Scheib

    There’s no way Jordy would have ever stepped onto the court if he thought he couldn’t contribute. He wanted to win and I refused to believe he’d do anything to jeopardize the team’s chances of doing so. He had a fantastic career and should never feel haunted about anything. He’s a winner through and through and one of my favorite Hoosiers of all time. Thanks, Jordy. You are truly a class act.

  • plane1972

    Two lottery picks and what else? An undersized first-year PG playing next to an undersized two who can shoot lights-out IF he can get his shot off. A 6’8″ senior wing who comes up big in big moments, but can also fade for stretches. Our bench wasn’t as deep as we all had hoped before the season started (Perea and Jurkin were non-factors, Elston was hurt, Hollowell has to develop, Abell lost his early range during the conference season).

    I’m not picking on any of these guys. Love each and every one of them, particularly the seniors. Just pointing out that you overestimate what we had on this roster. You weren’t the only one. Did we have enough to win a championship? With the right draw, I think we had as good a chance as anyone (outside Louisville, right now). But, we hit a mismatch with Syracuse. It’s unfortunate, but happens all the time. It does actually take more than two high draft picks to win a championship.

  • NotTheRealSteveEyl

    Who’s “we”? I won’t pretend to speak for everyone on this site (like you’re doing), but what I want here is good discussion with interesting and varied points of view, even those that I disagree with.

    This is not a competition to see who’s the biggest fan.

  • This is what bothers me most. According to the sportscasters, the officials are “letting them play.” This kind of failure to consider players’ safety will only create more opportunities for even more serious injuries. It matters little if they are not calling fouls on either team. Failing to control the game creates hazards. Safety is the concern, not fairness.

  • IUMIKE1

    Spot on, good comment.

  • IUMIKE1

    Excellent points. The +/- can definitely be misleading. One of the quotes that Knight used a lot, and I liked and thought was correct, was that you can make statistics say anything if you work with them long enough and in the right ways.

  • IUMIKE1

    Couldn’t agree with you more ! Anyone that doesn’t see things the same way he does is disrespectful, unloyal, knows nothing about bball, etc, etc. He acts like he is the most brilliant bball mind there is and people would see that, he is right, if only they were smart enough. Thinks that if Knight would just come back and save us from CTC everything in the universe would be perfectly aligned again. And if you feel like that would not be the best thing to happen, you HAVE TO BE, someone that hates Knight and anything and everything he stands for and you are a person that disrespects Knight and anyone that still likes him in way shape or form. Using his line of thinking, he shouldn’t be saying anything bad about ESPN cause if they were smart enough to hire Knight, and if Knight felt like they were reputable enough to be employed by and be drawing a paycheck from them he is actually disrespecting Knight by badmouthing ESPN. Whew, trying to put myself in a place where I’m required to think like him is too much, must now try to go and erase that part of my memory.

  • Tom S

    “Anyone dissing Hulls is a r*****”???????? Not only name-calling, but particularly ugly name-calling.
    Pretty sad when someone calling himself “Ole Man” needs, more than anything, to grow up.

  • Tom S

    The class coming in next year is Crean’s FIRST one that wasn’t signed off a bad-to-terrible season. One class is the ultimate small sample size, but based on this one class it appears recruiting could be in pretty good hands.

  • Ole Man

    Why? Every freakin’ fan who posts on here thought we were going to hang a banner this year. So it wasn’t just me thinking that.

    Your ID name kinda says it all about your perspective.
    So I don’t know where you get the “we” usage.
    Have courage and say “I” instead of hiding behind others.

    And they are lottery picks by every experts analysis, so stop playing cute with the “until they are picked”.

  • Ole Man

    Why? Every freakin’ fan who posts on here thought we were going to hang a banner this year. So it wasn’t just me thinking that.

    Your ID name kinda says it all about your perspective.
    So I don’t know where you get the “we” usage.
    Have courage and say “I” instead of hiding behind others.

    And they are lottery picks by every experts analysis, so stop playing cute with the “until they are picked”.

  • Guest

    Sheehey? Unproven?

  • Ole Man

    Depending on the lineup, both Sheehey and Oladipo are considered twos.

  • Ole Man

    Zeller took the contact this year.
    He was mugged practically every game.
    Yes; he could have been more physical at times.
    However…..the year is over, unfortunately.

  • Ole Man

    I can’t mark this comment down enough.

  • Ole Man

    LOL. It’s not name calling unless the shoe fits.
    And the heat I take on here is unprecedented; so no, I don’t feel bad hinting that some one is possibly not thinking straight. Look at the posts I’ve made.
    I’ve praised Tom Crean to high heavens.
    I have stated over and over again that he has done a terrific job.
    But I can criticize, as any fan does, if I disagree with some of his decisions.
    Again, his job description includes critique and second-guessing.

    I’m not, like some one here, a “fan boy”. I’m honest; say what I think, right or wrong, and accept the heat for it.
    But the criticism I’m receiving for defending Hulls; and for second guessing Crean is A: nonsense, and B: boarding on personal attack.
    Go back and read it.
    Why?
    And why are you attacking someone who will be a legend of IU basketball in Hulls? Does it serve some purpose other than ego stroking?
    Why?
    Because I don’t agree with you? (And I’m also talking to kenneth234 and iumike1).
    Why?
    Argue and debate the merits and facts.

  • CreanFaithful

    My point was that there are no guarantees when it comes to hanging a banner. I would be included in the group of people who thought we (IU) had the tools to give it a run… However, I also understand that there are several other talent laded teams with the same goals. In a one and done tournament, anything can happen. Am I disappointed? Yes sir. Am I looking to replace the head coach that got us back in a place where we could make a run at a national title (the first year we actually had a legitimate shot)? No – I’m not irrational.

    These are my thoughts, I do not speak for anyone else. I am no hiding from you Ole Man. Laughable response…

  • CreanFaithful

    My point was that there are no guarantees when it comes to hanging a banner. I would be included in the group of people who thought we (IU) had the tools to give it a run… However, I also understand that there are several other talent laded teams with the same goals. In a one and done tournament, anything can happen. Am I disappointed? Yes sir. Am I looking to replace the head coach that got us back in a place where we could make a run at a national title (the first year we actually had a legitimate shot)? No – I’m not irrational.

    These are my thoughts, I do not speak for anyone else. I am no hiding from you Ole Man. Laughable response…

  • Ole Man

    I don’t know what Crean was doing.
    All I know is what I’ve seen.
    He has been very reliant on one type of attack, no matter what personnel he has.
    And BTW, I’m a fan of that offense.
    It is possible, however, to have fall backs. I’m not the only one who wishes for some half court sets.
    I would have trusted myself, my coaches, and my players (to answer your question).
    In all honestly, I think Crean second guessed himself.
    I think we would have been better off to stay with our “outside-in” attack, rather than forcing an “inside-out” attack.
    I wish he had stayed with the former, rather than trying to implement the latter.

  • Ole Man

    Tired of it.

    Tired of you and many others dissing me for being so passionate, and yes, out spoken. I love this team as much as any of you.

    I never said “replace Crean”.

    Hey, you win. I lose.
    You’re great. Apply for a job at ESPN.

    Okay?

    Happy?

  • Ole Man

    You guys get my “Amen” on your comments!

  • Ole Man

    Can’t give enough plus marks to these thoughts.

  • Ole Man

    Why are you still trolling on here?
    You hate Indiana and its fans.
    Is that why you come here to post?

  • Ole Man

    How is the overall talent much better at every position next year?
    Surely you don’t mean at Oladipo’s and Zeller’s positions?

  • Ole Man

    This team had chemistry. It had that hunger (in the beginning). We all watched and cheered in amazement until the MN game at their place. It had the pieces and the Talent.
    Won’t even begin to use examples of teams with much less who made it farther than this team this year.
    Hopefully, with recruiting, the team has reloaded.
    But no one knows how that will play out.

  • Ole Man

    This team had chemistry. It had that hunger (in the beginning). We all watched and cheered in amazement until the MN game at their place. It had the pieces and the Talent.
    Won’t even begin to use examples of teams with much less who made it farther than this team this year.
    Hopefully, with recruiting, the team has reloaded.
    But no one knows how that will play out.

  • Ole Man

    You seem to have me confused with someone else. I haven’t used the word we except as we the fanbase. Now some others…..And what you want is exactly what I want, a good discussion.

  • Kenneth234

    Tom Crean has plenty of half court sets. They just do not involve continuous screening and one guy running around them constantly. They are more simplistic, but most offenses in college basketball are simple in the same ways. It is the nature of the game, maybe you just haven’t noticed it because the game has changed and you want the motion offense.

  • Kenneth234

    I have never criticized Hulls, I understand the player he is and the player that he is not. He has and always will be one of my favorite Hoosiers. The closest thing that I have said about him that could be considered an insult is that he is not quite as good a leader and player that Tom Coverdale was. A comparison because they are similar players, with similar accolades. The difference between them is demeanor, but Hulls has a better shot, but Coverdale could get his own shot better.

    The difference is that I defend Tom Crean from criticism that are off base.

  • Kenneth234

    I have never criticized Hulls, I understand the player he is and the player that he is not. He has and always will be one of my favorite Hoosiers. The closest thing that I have said about him that could be considered an insult is that he is not quite as good a leader and player that Tom Coverdale was. A comparison because they are similar players, with similar accolades. The difference between them is demeanor, but Hulls has a better shot, but Coverdale could get his own shot better.

    The difference is that I defend Tom Crean from criticism that are off base.

  • Kenneth234

    Sheehey=proven, or are you saying he wasn’t proven?

  • Duke has 2 first round picks in Plumlee and Curry, Syracuse has Fair and Williams, Michigan has Burke and Hardaway, Louisville has at least two first round picks. Puke had 5 first rounders last year. Just sayin there have been teams with a lot more talent that did not win it all.