Engel’s thoughts on Cathedral at Broad Ripple

  • 12/05/2010 11:23 am in

Thanks to our friend and former IDS sports writer Chris Engel for this report.


Patterson: 7-of-16 FG (5-of-11 3PT), 6-of-10 FT, 25 PTS, 1 AST, 2 ST, 1 REB, 1 TO.
Hartman: 5-of-8 FG (4-of-7 3PT), 14 PTS, 1 AST, 2 ST, 4 REB, 2 TO.

Thoughts on the game:

Collin Hartman completed a weekend sweep of future Hoosier teammates Saturday night when his Cathedral Irish defeated Ron Patterson and the Broad Ripple Rockets, 68-65.

It was an emotional night at Broad Ripple High School as the team honored former teammate Steven Jamison who passed away from cancer last July. After Patterson won the opening tip against Hartman, the team called timeout and went up into the stands to give the game ball to Jamison’s family. The two teams fought back and forth the entire game with lead exchanges, but in the end, Cathedral made a few more plays than Broad Ripple to pull out the three-point victory.


He had an impressive shooting night going 5-of-8 from the field, including 4-of-7 from beyond the arc, en route to scoring 14 points. Hartman showed off his complete skill set by adding four rebounds, two steals and one assist to his scoring effort.

Cathedral had a balanced offensive attack, which resulted in stretches of play when Hartman didn’t get the ball. Cathedral would have been better served to try and get Hartman the ball more in the flow of the offensive. On the other hand, Hartman should have been more assertive in getting the ball. While Hartman showed good ballhandling skills, his collegiate position is likely at one of the forward spots. He didn’t show much of an inside game although he had a size advantage on every player guarding him.

Hartman did have one of the plays of the night on one of the few possessions Patterson guarded him. Toward the end of the third quarter, Hartman got the ball on the wing and threw an impressive shot fake at Patterson, who bit at the fake and jumped up to block the shot. With Patterson in the air, Hartman took a dribble to his left and swished a three-pointer to stretch the Cathedral lead to five points.

This was my first time seeing Hartman play, and I came away impressed with his overall game. It was obvious why Tom Crean and other coaches offered Hartman at such a young age. I would have liked to see him crash the boards harder and command the ball more on the offensive side of the floor. However, in just beginning his sophomore season in high school, Hartman has plenty of time to improve his already impressive game.


He showed flashes of great play in putting up 25 points to lead Broad Ripple. When he gets his feet set and takes a good shot, Patterson has a beautiful looking shooting motion. Although on paper it looked like Patterson had a good shooting game (he went 7-of-16 from the field and 5-of-11 from beyond the arc), Patterson took many ill-advised shots. Some of the bad shots went in and he was bailed out on three other poor shots by drawing a foul. I would have liked to see Patterson attack the basket more instead of settling for long three-pointers. The one time Patterson drove the lane hard, he got an easy lay-up. Trailing by one point in the final minute, Patterson had the ball in his hands with the chance to take the lead. Instead of driving to try and draw a foul or get a lay-up, Patterson settled for a 17-foot jump shot, which he air-balled.  Patterson played some point guard for Broad Ripple, but he will have to improve his ball-handling skills if he wants to play PG at the college level.

Patterson will make his mark at IU on the defensive end of the court. Against Cathedral, Patterson had just two steals, but he had several deflections. His long wingspan makes it difficult to get a clean shot against Patterson and allows him to clog the passing lanes. Patterson also has a toughness to him that shows on the defense end.

Patterson’s best attribute is his toughness. Buss did not back down the entire game. This attitude led to some of the bad shots Patterson took, but it also led to many great plays on both ends of the court. In particular, after Hartman scored on Patterson with the shot fake, Patterson responded by hitting a deep three the next possession. And while Patterson air-balled the final shot, his willingness to put the game on his back shows his competitiveness.

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  • MillaRed

    Looking forward to the Buss. He will be solid.

    Did I read a note correctly this morning Alex? Did Etherington’s lil bro throw down 31 points yesterday as a sophomore? That’s the 2013 class. Does IU have any interest in this kid?

  • He did indeed. I’m sure they’re keeping an eye on him, but there’s no offer at this point.

  • bluegrassHoosier

    I hope they do move on the younger Etherington. Austin has been a solid recruiter and seems to come from a great family. Character galore!

    If Alex is supposed to be even more gifted than Austin, which is saying something, he seems ideal for what IU stands for. The Etherington family could become legendary in Bloomington.

    Great players, great passion, great character, and great family. Not much to not love here.

  • bluegrassHoosier

    As for Ron…..I love the kid. Absolutely love him.
    Backing down from a challenge doesn’t seem to be an option for him.

  • N71

    I think Ron’s defense is so good the other team won’t go at time fearing a turnover so his stats on D aren’t what they could be or probably will be at the college level. There someone will have to go at Ron and either get their shot blocked or watch him steal the ball. Completely agree a whole new phase of his game could evolve by driving. I think Eric Gordon when through the same stages where once he had his outshot down he learned to drive and draw fowls.

  • Mattrachel

    Chris makes it sound like Buss is only going to play D at IU. Gee Chris the kid scores 25 points and shoots basically 50% from the field even though his shot selection wasn’t that great at times. I don’t know but from my perspective this kid sounds like is presence will be felt on both sides of the ball.

  • Anonymous

    When Buss is surrounded by the other players that will be at IU in 2012, he has the chance to be great. His defense is above average and when not expected to carry the load like he is HS most of the time, he will a major contributor on offense. His best asset is his motor. No pun intended. The kid is tenacious. He loves to play.

  • Like I said in the story, on paper Buss had a great game. However, my take away from the game (along with the two other guys I went with) was that Buss has a long way to go offensively. I know it’s weird just looking at his stats, but you couldn’t help but come away a little disappointed with Buss’ offensive play if you were at the game.

    Buss will be a solid offensive contributor at IU, but I don’t think he will be taking 3-pointers from 3 feet beyond the arc once he gets to Bloomington. If Crean fills out the 2012 class with Garry Harris, I think that Harris and Yogi will be more of a scoring threat than Buss is if his game does not evolve. He need to improve his handle and look to drive more to become a more dangerous offensive player. Playing on a team with a PG like Yogi will be a great asset to Buss, because if his feet are set, he has a beautiful shot.

  • I want to get it out there that I think that Buss is a great get for the Hoosiers. He is going to be a defensive monster at IU. However, there has been a large contingent of posters on ITH and other IU boards that say things like “Buss is a definite Top-50 player – he is vastly overrated by the national scouts” or something like that. I don’t agree with those sentiments and think Buss has some things to work on if he wants to raise higher in the rankings (especially because the national scouts seem to weigh offensive production more than defense).

  • MillaRed

    I was thinking, I know Yogi is a smaller guard but you better be able to shoot because you are not getting by him. He will be a steal machine.

    You have Buss at the 2 causing JR type problems for 4 years.

    Hanner is basically roaming the lane because Cody or Jurkin are the last line of defense.

    If that team isn’t a freakishly good defensive team I will be shocked.

  • Diesel

    Chris, how many times have you seen Ron play? I saw them play in a scrimmage this year and based on what I saw from the Broad Ripple team I am completely surprised the game was that close against a team like Cathedral. It didn’t seem to me like BR had a ton of surrounding talent. How did Cathedral defend him? Help? Double teams? Zone? Did you have the impression with such a big time game that Ron was trying to put the team on his back explaining some of the shot selection?

    Again, I know it was a scrimmage but for the first few quarters I was impressed with his decision making and shot selection and getting his teammates involved. Then the second half you could tell he was pushing a little bit with shots and for about every one I thought might not have been a great shot selection (CTC was in the house mind you), he’d make about half of them (and it was enjoyable to see the smirky smile on CTC’s face)

    Also remember 3 feet behind the HS three pointer is a pretty realistic college shot, and he was 45% from 3.

    With all that said and a few questions, I appreciate your analysis being critical of these players. It’s sometime hard for us to not use the candy striped glasses.

  • These are fair points. This is the first time I saw Buss play in a HS setting and you are right – Cathedral has a lot of good players on their team, so perhaps Ron was trying to put the team on his back. I know both coaches are well thought of around the area, but I was not impressed with the offensive game plans by either team. Both teams played a disjointed offensive which led to a lot of sloppy play.

    Cathedral usually put Jared Drew on Patterson. I believe Drew is drawing mid-major interest Drew is a long player and played tight D on Buss. This probably let to some of his poor shot selection.

    Buss had a good game, but I think it is fair to say he could have led his team to victory had he played a smarter game. 45% is a good 3pt percentage, but he could have been higher if he didn’t take turn-around three pointers. I would like to see him attack the basket more because he seems like a good finisher at the rim and is a good FT shooter (although he just went 6/10 last night) I think Buss himself would say the same about his performance.

    Buss and Collin are going to be big-time players for IU. Hoosier fans should be super excited to see both of these guys in the candy stripe pants. I live 2 minutes from BRHS – I look forward to seeing Buss play several more times this season.

  • ArtistFormerlyKnownAs_Aceman07

    There should be Alex and I wouldn’t be surprised if it came early in this season. I live near by and watched him play last year as a freshman and I was really impressed by his athleticism. He is a better leaper and quicker than Austin and has the same pedigree. His shot isn’t quite as good yet as Austin’s but he’s young and still has a nice shot. He’s grown a bit over the past year and it wouldn’t be much of a shock to see him get to 6’6″ or so, maybe even better.

    All that said I think he’s going to end up being a higher ranked and higher upside recruit than Austin was and that’s saying something because I think Austin is underrated a bit.

    I’m looking forward to watching him play against a couple local teams this year as well. HH is in the same conference as the school I attended and live down the street from as well as three other schools within 15 minutes so I’ll let you know more after seeing him this year.

  • Hoosier Clarion

    No I do not think it was a poor shot, when he is shooting at a 45% clip from everywhere on the court and no one else on the team was shooting that well. As far as the distance you state as poor shot selection, it is nearer the distance he will be shooting 3’s from in AH. He already knows he can get to the rim. It appears to me he was working on his offensive game for the future just as you stated his coaches have suggested he should do. No, RP is expanding his game, just as he should do.