Around the Hall: Big Ten expansion, ACC-Big Ten Challenge, more

  • 05/10/2010 9:34 pm in

Around the Hall is recommended reading from the Inside the Hall crew. So go ahead, get your read on, kids.

+ After Sports Radio 810 WHB reported early Monday that the Big Ten had offered four schools the opportunity to join the conference, a league spokesperson denied the report to the Chicago Tribune.

Citing multiple sources close to the negotiations, here’s the meat and potatoes of the Sports Radio 810 WHB report:

The Big Ten Conference has extended initial offers to join the league to four universities including Missouri and Nebraska from the Big 12. While nothing can be approved until the Big Ten presidents and chancellors meet the first week of June in Chicago, the league has informed the two Big 12 schools, Notre Dame and Rutgers that it would like to have them join. It is not yet clear whether the Big Ten will expand to 14 or 16 teams but sources indicated Missouri and Nebraska are invited in either scenario.

+ Early power rankings for next season for the Big Ten from Big Ten Network editor Brent Yarina.

+ A few of the ACC-Big Ten Challenge matchups were revealed by Jeff Goodman of FoxSports.com.

+ The Courier-Journal’s Jody Demling has video interviews with Branden Dawson and Jeremy Hollowell and an update on Mitch McGary.

+ Michigan broke ground Monday on a player development center for its basketball program.

+ Jarrod Uthoff, a 2011 wing out of Iowa with an IU offer, talks about his recruitment with Daniel Poneman.

+ The Dagger’s Matt Norlander writes that the Big Ten looks like the strongest league next season after the deadline to withdraw from the NBA Draft.

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  • HoosNation

    I want to know what 7 people voted for our recruiting as an A. Names please. You guys were drunk or accidentally hit the wrong button when the mouse jumped after you sneezed. Yeah that's gotta be how that happened!

  • FWHoosier

    I don't know about the press specifically, but if you listen closely to interviews of CTC and McClain, it sure sounds like they have had discussions about McClain providing real time advice and helping coach make adjustments in games. I see the McClain hire as an effort by CTC to address his own weaknesses in terms of game management and bring in someone that isn't just “breathing his exhaust”. It remains to be seen in games whether McClain can actually offer useful adjustments and whether CTC follows his suggestions and the reailty is I will probably never really know. But, I hope I am right and it makes a difference on the court.

  • Hardwood Wizard

    Danny Moore, you must be joking! Are you his buddy from high school? Perhaps his roommate?

    Bawa and Michel need a major polishing.

    Creek is a given

    Sheehey and VO will struggle to get floor time behind Creek, VJIII, Rivers, Hulls, and Watford when he plays the #3 and WO if he comes to IU.

    Take a flyer on Roth. Bad defense and unathleticism gets him no time in front of Sheehey.
    Big deal Roth made 9 3's and they still got beat by 15. If he doesn't play they get beat by 40+. A loss is a loss.

  • Hardwood Wizard

    Danny Moore, you must be joking! Are you his buddy from high school? Perhaps his roommate?

    Bawa and Michel need a major polishing.

    Creek is a given

    Sheehey and VO will struggle to get floor time behind Creek, VJIII, Rivers, Hulls, and Watford when he plays the #3 and WO if he comes to IU.

    Take a flyer on Roth. Bad defense and unathleticism gets him no time in front of Sheehey.
    Big deal Roth made 9 3's and they still got beat by 15. If he doesn't play they get beat by 40+. A loss is a loss.

  • JerryCT

    I gave the class a B – for 2 reasons:

    1. Based on CTC's criteria, that he stated in an interview on Scoop, I think he actually got players he wanted for the long term time frame that seems to be his time horizon. This means that evaluating this class from “his perspective only” might take 2 seasons.

    2. VO, WS will be the fastest players on our team and oftentimes the 2 fastest on either team , both can finish and play within a TEAM concept w/o gaudy individual stats. Guy intrigues me as his rate pf progress was visible during last season I am told.

    I for one would not blindly consider a 5 star as useful addition if he were one and done.

    I also agree w jpniles below that developign who we have is alot more important to success this year than the recruits ……. for one year only however.

  • JerryCT

    I gave the class a B – for 2 reasons:

    1. Based on CTC's criteria, that he stated in an interview on Scoop, I think he actually got players he wanted for the long term time frame that seems to be his time horizon. This means that evaluating this class from “his perspective only” might take 2 seasons.

    2. VO, WS will be the fastest players on our team and oftentimes the 2 fastest on either team , both can finish and play within a TEAM concept w/o gaudy individual stats. Guy intrigues me as his rate pf progress was visible during last season I am told.

    I for one would not blindly consider a 5 star as useful addition if he were one and done.

    I also agree w jpniles below that developign who we have is alot more important to success this year than the recruits ……. for one year only however.

  • MillaRed

    Walton you are a solid poster sir. Keep up the good work.

  • Disco_Briscoe

    We're looking good…I like seeing IU right there with PSU as “pests within the conference”…(Sarcasm from the Dagger blog)

  • JerryCT

    They can score ALOT from anywhere ……………..and at a high % efficiency per possession. Honestly I think NW may be one of the most difficult teams to beat in the B10 for us. We just donot have the defense to do it .

  • MillaRed

    For the record, ZERO Big Ten forwards/centers averaged 16 ppg and 8 boards last season.

    Look Hardwood, take a deep breath before you have a stroke. There isn't a single savvy ITH poster that is jumping up and down about this class. We all know the deal. Last week I was telling folks if they love this class they are nuts and need to be medicated. Because I am a very mean person.

    You are throwing too many “what if's?” out there instead of “what now's?” I think the 2010 class is set. I give it a C-. And still yet I give the entire class all of my support.

    We didn't know what we had in Creek last pre-season. Hopefully one of these guys really surprises us too.

    IU!

  • bahickma

    That's true. I wrote my comments last night and was incredibly tired/grumpy. I probably didn't give him a fair shake to begin with. He definitely has skill though.

  • PAHoosier

    ACC-Big Ten Challenge? Give me a rematch with Maryland!

  • MillaRed

    Not sure, but I have 20 bucks that says Hardwood was one of the F's…….

  • Outoftheloop

    Actually I watched on Cable TV 4 high school games on ESPNU, 2 of Will Sheehey, 1 of Victor Oladipo, 1 of the national championship for Prep Schools (Joseph's team from NV won it). There must be some way to get access to those games.

  • GFDave

    I agree. What I find curious is that UW is so tough in the B10 when at the same time they seem to be a relatively easy out in the tourney. You'd think the coaches around the league would take note and try to replicate the approach others have taken. Maybe they can't because of the type of players they have. It will be interesting to see how fully developed Crean squads will do, seeing how I think their style of play will be less prototypical.

  • Outoftheloop

    Next year IU will be able to match up and play with any team in the Big-Ten, we are deep, big, have 3-point shooters, talented scorers and versatile. The big Question is will we have the ball handling, leadership and determination to WIN at the end of the game!?!

  • Hardwood Wizard

    Nice try. I gave them a D. Realistically it would be a C if we were in better shape already. I say a d because this team is deficient in so many areas and none of the 2010 guys are program changing type of guys.

    At least 2010 has watford at 12 and 6 a game and creek at 16ppg.

    2010 is a B with the chance of being an A if they all stay 4 years and the program reverts back to their old ways of winning. That will mean 2010 had good leadership worthy of an A.

  • Kelin Blab

    Hardwood I will give you three reason why he could develop….

    1. Time…it is May he has til October to work with the coaching staff and work in cook hall. He has the opportunity to get in the weight room, work with the staff on many areas. Bawa didn't have this and Tijan did and improved. Remember Tijan didn't play at all his first year

    2. Guy comes from one of the strongest JUCO programs in the country. What has happened in those two years is he has been consistent in his rebounding and defense, to the extent he was all conf. Now in juco yes, you should be able to put up big offensive numbers, but when it comes to the dirty work…making first team all conf based on your defense is an accomplishment.

    3. I will take the players word. They like his game, they are honest and excited to have him. One thing they have that we don't is ….THEY have actually seen him play along with the coaches so our speculation is only speculation.

    Are these OK? the #22 player in the country had a season similar to Tijan…..
    Based on what makes this recruiting class weak…Stars? highlights….IU filled a ton of needs this year.

  • Outoftheloop

    The Lakers have TWO! Probably why they will win the Title again.

  • hoosierfan2

    Everyone is down on this class, and it probably isn't an instant impact class, but Oladipo and Sheehey could be good role players and their both very athletic. In addition, Guy fills a role as well. Chris Kramer was an unranked three star, but he was a linchpin for Purdue and next year they will probably suffer in his absence.

    Maybe Oladipo and Sheehey won't be stars, but they could be the role players that put us over the top. In case you don't think role players are too big of a deal, look at the Miami Heat's title team, sure they had Wade and Shaq, but they had important players like Haslem and Posey that did the little things. My point is this, the 2009 class brought in stars like Creek and Watford, but the 2010 class could fill important roles for this team, and all three players have big upside, so don't sleep on this class.

  • marcusgresham

    In a perfect world you should have a head start on your competition in landing in-state kids, but you just mentioned 3 other in-state schools, all of whom have seen more recent on-court success. Crean has basically had to try to make chicken salad out of chicken…well, you know the saying, and has had no true selling points other than himself and a practice facility that was until recently merely “under construction.” I don't know what you think there has been that should just make those in-state kids fall in line automatically.
    I'd love to land them all, too, as I think that is probably the quickest way to get back to where everyone thinks this program belongs and ultimately will be, but I don't honestly care if a kid comes from Indiana, Ohio, Iowa, Minnesota, Martinique, or sprang from the skull of Zeus, so long as he can play, goes to class, has a decent attitude, and preferably sticks around at least 2 or 3 years.
    You ask for a center or power forward, yet you aren't giving any consideration to what Guy might bring to the table. I agree that I was kind of underwhelmed by 7 ppg, but his numbers were better at the end of the season (which shows progress for a guy who's only been playing about 5 years,) and I think most people are hoping for defense/rebounding out of him more that scoring, anyway.
    In regards to getting a PG, I think there are a handful on the list of recruits, and at least one of them should sign.
    As for the multitude of wing players—you play 2 (and sometimes 3) at a time, so you need depth. VJIII is only around another 2 years, Creek may not be far behind him if he shows he's overcome his injury, and most have stated Oladipo's strength to be defense, so a 6'8″ kid who handles the ball is a different piece of the puzzle.

  • millzy32

    Not ashamed of what I gave them. Probably because I gave them a D. Would have went D+ but that wasn't an option.

    Actually I think Oladipo might be a diamond in the rough and if Sheehey can shoot we could be on to something. This class may end up being better than you expect. Still with all the needs we have it should be much better.

    Crean was supposed to be a recruiter and a talent evaluator. I hope he is the latter because he sure hasn't shown the former.

    Time will tell.

  • GFDave

    You're right about that. Bo acts like his team shouldn't be called for fouls.

  • Outoftheloop

    I see Michel and Bawa splitting 40 min at Center; Creek and Watford each getting 30 min; Elston, Jones and Hulls each getting 25 min; and Capo, Pritchard, Roth, Rivers, Oladipo and Sheehey dividing the last 25 min as we need it. Obviously foul trouble, game performance and game match up decisions will alter these minutes significantly with Capo and Pritchard for Michel, Bawa or Elston; Oladipo and Sheehey for Watford; Roth for Creek; and Rivers for Hulls. That is still a pretty good 13 man team!.

  • marcusgresham

    sorry, some of this was a reply to Hardwood, as well

  • Hardwood Wizard

    Are you kidding me? What are you basing your rivals info on? We are nowhere near OSU, Purdue, or MSU. Where is Ill? They are better than us too at recruiting!

    Draymond Green plays for the best coach in the Big Ten. he was also ranked much higher in other class rankings. Look it up. The only reason he was at 123 was due to his size/weight and not being in shape. Look that up too.

  • Outoftheloop

    I disagree. I see 6 and possibly 7 “new” players on campus in August 2010 that were not there on Jan 1, 2010: two 7' centers, in Michel and Bawa; an NBA prospect in Creek; a dead eye 3 point shooter in Roth; two incredible athletes that give great versatility in Sheehey and Oladipo; and possibly a high quality combo guard in Offutt. When you add that to a core of 7 good players each with one more year's experience plus 5-3 minutes/game of Danny Moore's in your face harassment, I like what I see. But NO ONE KNOWS until we play the games!

  • FWHoosier

    Thinking of match ups. How great would it be if Michel comes in and contributes and Bawa improves to the point that we can go against Minn. with two 7 footers of our own? How many other teams could do that? I might be dreaming a bit, but it is a good dream.

  • walton

    Great point!

  • Anonymous

    “No, the Yankees bring up a guy who is well rounded to give them a little of everything to fill the void. This is what makes them great.”

    Uhh, no, but nice try. You really don’t think having a 170 million dollar payroll (They could have more if not of the luxury tax) is the key part in their equation? If I could pay 4/5 of my starting rotation with over 10 million a piece, and more in Sabathia’s case, then I would be godlike to. This isn’t considering that all but Cano in their infield make over 10 million, and A-Rod makes almost 30! Give me a break.

    “Trust me, if a major league player hits.374, he is legit. Screw the sabermetrics, that is a subjective view of stats. Tell me what the guys average is and then tell me what he does with runners on base, there is your stud. tell me how many walks and strikeouts he has. show me how many dick high fastballs he takes on the first pitch?”

    We are going to have to agree to disagree here, because I advocate saber-metrics, so I will leave this alone.

    “Just like VJIII. IU fans are stroking him, but what did he shoot from the floor. clutch guys aren’t shooting 27% from three pt range and 39% from the floor. We will see in 2010-11 that he is a nice role player.”

    Considering that our offensive was anemic and we had nobody that could drive successfully (Rivers tried and failed miserably), and VJIII was the only one that was willing to shoot that much. That will change when Creek actually gets here and VJIII isn’t the only outside threat on the floor in my view.

    “Stephen Curry had a good game, he was just told he was too small. Every one knew he could score. Please don’t insult my intelligence in comparing him or refencing him to Guy. There is no comparison.”

    If you really think than I am comparing him to Stephen Curry, my argument flew right over your head. Who’s to say he doesn’t play well? To be completely honest, be both know absolutely nothing other than stats, ONE video, and that’s it. If you can make a 100% correct evaluation from that, then you wouldn’t be posting here.

  • GFDave

    I gave this class a C, primarily because it doesn't have a headline player. Over the course of 4 years I am confident that VO and WS will both be solid contributors. Their athleticism is an immediate upgrade and I think as they adapt to B10 play they will be able to score, board and defend at a decent level. They won't have an immediate impact and aren't potential stars, however, imo. I think this year we'll see flashes from them, but not consistent numbers.

    I really didn't change my grade with the addition of GMsquared. He certainly is too much of unknown to project an immediate impact. But if he rides pine, does that really change things on the court for the worse? I don't think so, so I couldn't grade down.

  • Hardwood Wizard

    Kelin,

    All good points, I will take them into consideration. I truly hope he improves. If Guy can give us 10 and 6 at any point, I will take it. Time will tell with the ability to elevate big man play under CTC.

    I will take some dirty work. 5 or 6 boards, a blocked shot and 5 other altered shots is a plus. It will keep us in games. But, will we get anything from him on offense? We have had zero offense from center the past two seasons and we have won 15 games.

    The players know what to say to the media and what the truth is. Sometimes their true feelings are kept within.

    From what I have been told, the players wanted a big time big man and Guy missed the mark.

    Tijan and Orton comparison are unreralistic. Orton backed up a stud. Tijan………enough said.

    I agree they filled needs, but not a ton. They put a compress on the bleeding. We will know in about 6 months if the bleeding has slowed or if it has grown profusely out of control with the only chance for survival is major surgery.

  • Outoftheloop

    Stay on topic, I said using Rivals. For 2009 IU was #11, IL was #14, neither MSU, OSU or Purdue was ranked, as a team in the top 25. So IU recruited better than any of the other programs that you mention for 2009. For 2010 OSU (#5, 22, 39, 111, 132, 135) should be in the top 5; MSU (#20, 38, 115) and IL (#31, 35, 84) are about equal, very good and both better than IU: Purdue (#51, 101) and IU (#141, !44, and the French National U-20 Team) look to me to be about equal, but I will say Purdue is better. So in two years against each of these 5 schools IU was better in one year and weaker in one year. That is the definition of a TIE. What I said was for these 2 years IU “ties MI St, OH St and Purdue”. Looks about right to me.

  • SW Ohio Hoosier

    I saw 3 misses within 3 feet. I saw two blocks of shots from guys who were maybe 6'2″. i saw a kid who got about four inches of elevation on his jump shot and he looked a bit slow.

    Austin Etherington is 2 inches shorter, can make those same passes,is better with the ball, gets about 20 inces on his jump shot and isn't so weak attacking the rim.

  • jpniles

    I have about had it with the cynical nature of many of the pessimistic comments here. I find it really disconcerting.

    I have said it before and I will say it again. We can argue about the strength of the recruits in this class but we have two solid athletes (VO, and Sheehey) which allows us to get out and run more than we did before. It also improves our length on defense. We also brought in a “lane clogger”. Yes, we still have to see Guy prove himself but that has been said before.

    I don't think recruiting was the most important aspect of the 2010 off-season. I think the development of our hella-good 09 class is of upmost importance. They are the core of the team going into the future no matter who you bring in. Their development is paramount in Indiana moving forward. When they put up some great numbers and win some great games this year… when Crean's player development is showcased, the “big talent recruits” will come.

    To sum up… Priorities for this off-season:
    1) PLAYER DEVELOPMENT
    2) Recruit to improve athleticism and fill voids.

  • Hardwood83

    Yeah the B10 is pretty rugged- IU has to win the games it should, like getting swept by Iowa last year? Painful and unnecessary. Need to beat Iowa, Michigan, Penn St and then grab a few against Minnesota, NW and the big boys and you have a .500 season. They'll have to be consistent in conference- certainly not a given. I expect more improvement this season then last.

  • Hardwood Wizard

    Sorry my brother is here and I was showing him the site. he decided to post but didn't set up his acct.

  • walton

    I hope Daniel Moore doesn't see 3-5 minutes a game…..oh please no.

  • walton

    Too bad Creek and Watford are not Shaq and Wade – oh well – maybe sometime down the road

  • JerryCT

    Hey Walton – In case you have not noticed I get alot of negative feedback on this site. To you and others I say THANKS !. it makes be a better fan.

    Like I say , I donate to ITH because I like hearing from YOU and others. I feel my donation is supporting you which makes me better.

    ( I do have a new business idea if you are a Wall ST guy )

  • JerryCT

    Outoftheloop : have I mentioned that I really like you digggin up the facts ? It makes us all better informed and smarter at the same time. I am partial to lookign at the numbers etc but also realize they are not everything.

    A few threads or posts ago I warned somebody about you …………. told them to be careful before they argued.

  • Hardwood Wizard

    Awesome. Player development and improve athleticism and fill voids. Sounds like the goal of all 300+ DI schools out there.

    How about these:

    1) Top 10 recruiting class 2010
    2) Top 10 recruiting clas 2011

    Player development won't have to be such a huge goal since there will be less projects. Recruiting after that just falls into place because there will be more wins.

  • Taskmaster75

    “The only way this improves is by recruiting top talent, not 7 ppg centers.”

    This tells me all I need to know about your recruiting philosophy. One player does not make or break a team, and you are acting like Michel is supposed to be our messiah, but that he isn't fit for the job. You are correct, he isn't going to be a world-beater, but come on, give him at least a minute of court time before you abolish his chances.

  • Taskmaster75

    I don't think they get passed the Suns actually. They are playing incredibly well.

  • Taskmaster75

    Now how could you possibly get that idea…..

    /sarcasm

  • JerryCT

    FW – I really hope you are right. As a former CEO I got tired of “yes” guys around to the point of saying things I did not agree with to see who challenged it. I am not saying Buckley and Selzer are bad coaches , not at all, But I am saying any organization can fall into “breathing their own exhaust” without even knowing it ……… ie Charlie Weis.

    Adding McClain can really help CTC and the team

  • walton

    You shouldn't take some of these posts personal. Everyone is entitled to speak honestly of how they feel about everything – optimistically or pessimistically. There are plenty of uncertainties on the table for the basketball program next year. People who question certain parts of it really has a right to do so.

    It is a little questionable how Crean was able to pull in that stud class last year with IU's situation worse than this year, but can't get close to it this year.

    I like our players. The core of Creek, Watford, VJ, Elston, Capo, and Hulls is solid and I am not really worried about their contributions. Everyone else as I mentioned before is a little questionable in my opinion. There is plenty of potential – lets hope the majority can live up to it. If they can then IU should be competitive next year.

    Someone posted this earlier and it made sense to me. A big question is “what players on the team are going to step up and be leaders on the team?” I honestly feel like last year there was a chemistry problem from day 1 – talented freshmen along side upperclassmen who appeared to seem like they deserved more. I think the group this year will come in on day 1 with a better understanding of where they all fit in. As time moves on there will be more and more obvious leadership.

  • IUbriz

    Can you please get off whatever you are on Hardwood…Come on, why do these kids want to go to Indiana?? What makes IU more favorable than any other school in the country?? Or impressive record the last two seasons? The amount of stability the program has had the last decade?? Because it is Indiana?? That used to work, these kids do not care about tradition, they do not care about the History of IU. They care about the dollar signs of the NBA. We had a very good class last year, a foundation of kids that will build us back to where we want to be. We are not even close to sniffing the programs of IU past. We have high quality kids, nothing in the news about grades, except from CTC today saying the kids posted a 3.16 gpa. Nothing about being drunk or causing disturbances. All you seem to be worried about is stars and wins.
    The development of our sophmores is what we need to be worried about. There is a lot of talent that needs to be brought out of these kids, it is there we all saw signs of it last year. Take a flippin chill pill or go cheer for pUKe, that seems to be the kind of program you are after.

  • MillaRed

    Ohhhh, you must be talking about how Pritchard and Rivers improved last season? I jest buddy I jest.

    But you are speaking future terms here. If we would have landed a top 10 class, would you be oh so focused on “developing these 2009 kids.” At this point we don't have much of a choice!

    Recruiting is just as important as development. They go hand in hand. Neither are guaranteed. You just hope that together they bring a soild rotation together that can compete.

    Hardwood, you made your point. You don't like the 2010 class. We got it. Time to move on.

  • MillaRed

    Walton you are a solid poster sir. Keep up the good work.