Five takeaways from Indiana’s win over South Florida

  • 11/20/2017 8:27 am in

Indiana bounced back from Wednesday’s loss at Seton Hall with a 70-53 win over South Florida on Sunday evening in Simon Skjodt Assembly Hall. The victory moved the Hoosiers to 2-2 on the season.

Here’s a look at five takeaways from the win over the Bulls:

· Second half surge: Indiana’s first half performance was sloppy and as a result, the Hoosiers trailed by one at halftime to a team picked to finish last in the American Athletic Conference.

The second half was a different story as Indiana committed just three turnovers and held South Florida to just 21 points. The ball movement was crisp, the defensive effort solid and the upperclassmen took over.

It was an effort that Indiana should be able to build upon with two more games coming later this week.

“I think definitely we got stops in the second half,” Archie Miller said of the performance. “I thought Juwan (Morgan) brought the crowd into the game with his effort. We got some confidence when we made some shots and some plays. It was a deal where we had a deal where we had to keep grinding away, figuring it out. First half, I thought we played pretty hard.”

· Morgan leads with effort: Through Indiana’s first three games, Juwan Morgan’s impact had been minimal.

Morgan came alive on Sunday night and was the best player on the floor in the second half. The junior finished with 15 points, 10 rebounds and four blocked shots in 30 minutes.

His aggressiveness in going to the rim was rewarded with trips to the foul line, where he knocked down nine of 10 attempts. Morgan also had seven offensive rebounds.

“Juwan Morgan, they don’t run one play for him,” South Florida coach Brian Gregory said. “Not one. All he does is set ball screens and roll. But, you know, he gets a double-double tonight. He plays so hard and he’s accepted that role. And, you know what, he’s going to make a lot of money doing that role because there’s not a lot of guys who will play that hard and do those things.”

· Robert Johnson shines on both ends: Although his game-high 21 points is the number that stands out in the box score, Robert Johnson’s impact was felt on both ends in Indiana’s win.

After Payton Banks went off for 15 points in the first half, Johnson shut him down in the second half. Banks, a grad transfer from Penn State, couldn’t shake Johnson in the game’s final 20 minutes and scored just three points after the break.

In addition to the stellar defensive effort, Johnson was also efficient offensively as he hit all three of his 3-point attempts and was 6-of-11 on 2s. The senior guard was as aggressive as we’ve seen him this season in attacking the basket and finished strong at the rim.

· Durham takes the lead at the point: With Josh Newkirk hobbled, freshman Al Durham took on an increased workload on Sunday night and delivered.

Durham played 31 minutes without a turnover and stuffed the stat sheet with nine points, five rebounds, four assists and a steal.

Through four games, Durham’s turnover percentage of 6.8 is the lowest on the roster.

“Awesome. He’s a terrific player,” Miller said. “He’s got bright future ahead of him. He’s got a great feel. Starting to really trust him. As you can tell he’s in there quite a bit, so he’s obviously hanging in there on both ends.”

· Hartman closing in on return: Redshirt senior Collin Hartman dressed for the first time this season on Sunday and was a full participant in warmups.

Miller didn’t specify when he expects Hartman to be available, but didn’t rule out a return by the end of this week.

“He’s better running. He’s better jumping,” Miller explained. “Still not 100 percent laterally. I think we’ll see where he goes over the next couple of days and Arkansas State, and then you have a day in between. You’ve got to be careful, two games in three days, you know, with a guy that has a tender groin, especially with the gauntlet that we have coming after this week, just in terms of the amount of teams we play and the quality of the teams that we play.”

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  • INUnivHoosier2

    Rutgers football v. Maryland 31-24

    Indiana v Rutgers 41-0
    Indiana v Maryland 39-42

  • Mark Bando


  • Outoftheloop

    Who is 82?

  • Brad

    Give what to CTC? A case of diet cokes? Clappy left the cupboards bare and Archie has to coach these guys up.

  • IdahoHoosier

    I’m happy to see the upperclassmen play better, but the real difference didn’t seem to be effort. The difference was Johnson hit shots instead of missed them, and Morgan was able to stay on the floor and be aggressive. If Morgan had been hurt and Johnson had missed those 3s we’d be talking yet again about “poor leadership from the upperclassmen”.

  • Outoftheloop

    Plus hitting those open 3’s and 2’s (50%+ FG, 42%+ 3’s).

  • Tyler D

    Zoldirtybird, spot on about Cujo. He rarely has the ball in his hands to turn the ball over. 3 points, 2 boards, 1 assist and 1 steal in 17 minutes isn’t a ton of production. Obviously DG didn’t play well last night and he needs to show better decision making in a hurry, especially valuing the ball, but he has the ability to produce and create some offense where I don’t feel Cujo has that same ability.
    Through four games, Durham is hands down our best all around guard, IMO. Without question the most consistent.

  • INUnivHoosier2

    We also got a transitive property national championship last year.

  • IdahoHoosier

    Sidenote: I liked the little bit I saw of TC on ESPN. I thought he came across as knowledgeable and positive. His colleagues seem to really like him and respect him. Good representative for IU basketball!

  • Outoftheloop

    Curtis is an above average defender. At least the equal of Devonte and better than Josh.

  • Tyler D

    But his inability to value the basketball has been suspect all season. Some extremely silly TO’s and we can’t have that from a senior (obviously Rob isn’t alone in being careless with the ball). Last night he was great and I hope that becomes the ‘Rob rule’ and not the exception for the rest of the year.

  • Outoftheloop


  • Outoftheloop

    Al naturally plays Archie’s style. Look to his Dad who, I believe, coached him in AAU ball.

  • Mark Bando

    Not to sound like a broken record, put to me the biggest difference was holding them to 19 in second half and only having three turnovers

  • Outoftheloop

    Archie appreciates Rob’s D, that is why he matched him up on Rodriguez. With DeRon in foul trouble, Juwan had to take his man.

  • Mark Bando

    Yep, for sure

  • Outoftheloop


  • HoosierD

    There was one play last night where CuJo missed his 3 pointer on offense, and it led to a fast break for USF, and curtis just jogged back casually trailing the fast break he could have caught up to with a little effort. Juwan had to foul an attempted dunk attempt to stop the fast break, but to me it is plays like that as to why CuJo doesnt play more. Not saying he isn’t capable of being a good defender, but he shows very inconsistent effort.

    I think on the play where Archie got his Technical it was Curtis and another player that did not dive on a loose ball that rolled right passed them and it led to another USF possession.

  • Ivan Renko

    I remember a tweet that Al sent out probably more than a year ago when his senior basketball season was starting. Can’t remember exactly what it was, but he was expressing shock and confusion at how he wasn’t considered a top 100 prospect on espn/247 etc. He’s certainly playing at that level so far. Very positive that he is self-aware and proving the media “scouts” wrong

  • iugradmark

    A few thoughts:

    Josh: We need Josh in the rotation but this may be a case of what we saw with Yogi and James. When Josh is on the court, the team and Robert play differently. Al is going to continue to get the majority of point minutes but we need to get some quality minutes out of Josh as well.

    Clifton: He is still feeling his way around but I hope we can work him into playing a few minutes each game. He is long and can disrupt. He is a bit lost on defense right now but not horrible. I think we should look at moving him ahead of Freddy.

    Justin: He is very poised out there. He seems to be in the right place on offense and defense. He has 2 or 3 balls go through his hands right now but I don’t think he has bad hands. Just not really grabbing the ball. He is on a nice development arc and I hope he can continue.

    Juwan: Finally had the game we had hoped for. He still isn’t making any outside shots but when those start to drop, he is going to turn a lot of heads. One thing he has that you can’t teach is his motor. He goes hard. Stay healthy and he is gong to have a great season.

    Devonte: He is the “X” factor for the team. He can do brilliant things and can make bonehead plays all in the same game. The film room needs to be his friend so he can see what he is and isn’t doing. If he can smooth out things, he can really help a team that is going to struggle to score.

  • Mark Bando

    Since the dinosaurs roamed the earth, every team, in every sport, college and pro have been trying to figure out how to put together two good halves. It seems to be a very tricky thing to do. It may be because there is an opponant trying to do the exact same thing.

  • IdahoHoosier

    I didn’t specify it, but I was speaking just about the offensive performance of the “upperclassmen”.

  • Mark Bando

    It was good to see both players have really good second halfs.

  • HuntinHoosier86

    That’s interesting! Glad he realizes his talent level. Just needs to keep building and hustling! Definitely love what I’ve seen so far.

  • steelhoosier

    He’s going to have to work on that, I would consider that a turnover.

  • RonMlarkey

    We do not need Josh in the rotation.

  • TomEke

    What’s the difference between that play and the one where DG over ran a closeout on a 3 point attempt for USF, then didn’t hustle back into the play so the same man got that rebound. Then after they scored two points, DG dribbled the ball off the back of someone’s leg? Or the play where DG threw a ridiculous bounce pass to JN that he likely hasn’t completed in his life only to watch it dribble out of bounds after being off target?

    At this point in the season, I feel like CuJo is the start. Why? Because this team needs a spot up shooter who can play without the ball in his hands. Later in the season, when CH is healthy, I believe he fills that role, at which point, your rotation looks like this

    Starter >>> Sub
    ADJ >>> JN
    RoJo >>> DG
    CH >>> CuJo
    JMo >>> JS
    DD >>> FMcS (But let’s hope we don’t have foul trouble).

  • Tyler D

    Very insightful there, Mark.

  • VOXAC30

    I was at the game I left when they delayed the game….. I didn’t want to but everyone else was saying can we go now! Can we beat Purdue and make it 6 years in a row?

  • zoldirtybird

    Respectfully, DG has a ceiling that is well above CuJo’s. He is a much better defender and offensive player at this point. He is quicker and can create with the ball — even against tough competition. You’re absolutely right that he makes some poor decisions and they cost the team. He also makes great plays that no one else can make. CuJo can and should be a rotation player, but based on the game evidence from last year and this year, DG is a superior player with more upside.

  • Tyler D

    He’s only 4 of 12 from deep this year. Shot 35% from three last year. I understand he has the reputation of being a shooter, but we haven’t seen much of it at the collegiate level so far. If his primary role is spot up shooting he needs to do it at a higher rate to garner more than 15-18 minutes.

  • Fifer39

    I knew you’d be looking for the positives in our second half turnaround.

  • RonMlarkey

    Agreed, still bewildered at why CuJo is thought of as some prolific shooter. Has not in anyway earned that reputation.

  • Sarasota Hoosier

    I love the Hoosiers, and I truly want them to win every game from here on out on their way to the NCAA championship…….but its not going to happen. A 500 record, winning a few that we should not win and losing a couple we should not lose is my prediction. USF had some experience with 5th year transfers but no way they should lead at halftime. Hopefully the fans will be patient at home, and keep the boos to a minimum so we don’t scare Romeo away with negativity. Let CAM institute his system, get his own players, and begin the string of NCAA tournament appearances by year 2 or 3 at the latest, with banner #6 by year 5.

    To finish above 500 this year, DeRon needs to toughen up and play big. He added muscle lost fat and apparently increased his jumping by 4 inches over last year, but we haven’t seen that, yet. We need consistent 14 points, 9 rebounds a game from him, shooting 60% from the field. IU will absolutely get eaten alive inside by Duke and in the BIG unless Davis plays big.

  • TomEke

    Respectfully, I’ll share some stats. And I’ll say that I am doing this in hopes of raising the perception of CuJo rather than lowering the perception of DG.

    DG has 100 minutes on the season; CuJo 57. DG has taken 29 shots; Cujo 15. Per 40 minutes played:

    DG: 38% FG 12.4 PTS 3.2 REB 3.6 AST 4.4 TO 1.6 STL 0 BLK
    CuJo: 33% FG 11.9 PTS 4.9 REB 2.1 AST 1.4 TO 1.4 STL 0.7 BLK.

    CuJo turns the ball over 70% less during minutes played (DG A/TO is .8; CuJo’s is 1.5).

    I mean you can fault the guy for not shooting the ball as well, but CuJo has shot more 3’s on the year and actually scores MORE PER SHOT than DG at this point in the season (1.13 vs 1.06 — a small margin but it’s worth something since efficiency is worth more than percentage for me at least).

    On the defensive end, I don’t have access to their defensive ratings. +/- is the best I could do (I actually don’t mind the stat, but most people dislike it on this site with cries of heresay). So you can brush this off if you like, but I believe CuJo has the better +/- in 3 of 4 games this year.

  • Ole Man

    1st of all, there is no “CAM” associated with IU basketball.
    There is an Archie as he prefers to be called.
    Secondly, IU is not the first team nor will it be the last to be trailing at half to an inferior team so “no way” is actually “no big deal.”

    You point about fans booing is right there! Those being negative simply don’t understand the process because they have been fed instant gratification most of their lives.

    Deron WILL not average 14/9 this year, but he will improve. He is still learning how to play with his body.

    Just my opinions.

  • TomJameson

    Tyler, I can’t argue with that. he seems to always have more TO’s than anyone else, but that’s what it “seems” like. I didn’t look at the stats to check on it. But he does need to value the ball more.

    Of course, no excuse, but he is on the court more than anybody else also.

  • Ole Man

    Sandra, that stuff happens all the time in basketball.
    It’s not disturbing at all.
    And I think that there was more than one real positive: the play of both JM and RJ. There, that’s two just off the top of my head. Oh, D holding them to 19 second half points. That’s three.

  • TomJameson

    He very well could, and I really can’t argue with that logic. I think Devonte is pretty good defensively also. Al could get there too, but it’s probably too early for him just yet. Truth is, I think Al could grow into that role, he is a deceptively good defensive player, if that makes any sense. lol

    I think RJ will continue to be “that guy” for now anyway. At least until somebody else can step up and challenge for the job. They would have to want to do that, and everybody knows that defense isn’t really the sexy part of the game.

  • zoldirtybird

    Thanks for the stats. I agree that statistics are important but I also think there are a lot of things that are evident when you watch the games that aren’t reflected in the numbers. First and foremost, there’s a reason the coach chooses to play DG almost twice as much as CuJo. DG can handle the ball and break down the defense. He can also create his own shot. Go through all the plays from last year and this year and tell me how many times CuJo attacked the defense and made something happen. How many times did he successfully create his own shot with the clock running down? I can save you the trouble and tell you it just didn’t happen. Conversely, watch a replay of the Seton Hall game (or the Purdue game from last year). DG can play against tough competition and there are stretches where he tries to start controlling the game. It’s definitely a work in progress but the skill and confidence are there. Honestly, I really hope CuJo becomes a great player. I just don’t see it yet. Hopefully, your numbers represent something more that will blossom. If that’s the case, I have faith Archie will make the nevessary changes in the lineup (I didn’t have that kind of faith with our prior coach). Based on the games so far I think it’s going to be a fun year for those of us that like to get into the details. Cheers!

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    Yeah. I was there courtside and didn’t hear much booing. Just a few tense gasps and maybe mild groans but it was more nerves than discord.

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    My take away from being close to the game action last night:

    When Archie got T’d up he did so because he was angry at two of his players for not “getting on the floor” after a loose ball. He slammed the towel on the scorer’s bench and it got away from him onto the floor. He looked at the referee and tapped his chest as to say “my bad” and then turned and yelled at the players “get on the floor”!

    In the 2nd half the effort was completely different. IU played hard and outhustled USF so I think they may have got the message at halftime.

    This is what I wanted to see out of Archie Miller and his team. Play harder than your opponent and get better as the year goes on. I think there’s a good chance that happens this year.

  • Mark Bando

    Good post. I love it!

  • Mark Bando

    Michigan state trailed stonybrook by 8 at halftime sunday. Im pretty sure they will still finish over .500 this year however.

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07


    I think we’re going to love Archie after watching him live. He’s intense and instructs his players but you can see they respect him. All I want for this year is hard play and steady improvement. Love what I see out of Al, Justin, and even Clifton also. There’s a lot of talent there for the future!

  • Mark Bando

    Thats good insight on something that you cant see on TV.

  • IU Hoosiers # 34, 1979-83

    Sandra, I hope you have a Happy Thanksgiving. You need it but I agree with you in many ways.?????

  • Mark Bando

    Was just being tongue in cheek. Ive been hearing coaches in post game interviews talk about putting together two good halfs for 40 years.

  • IU Hoosiers # 34, 1979-83

    Oh my! Can you imagine if he threw a chair? Wow, great one!

  • VAHoosier

    C. Jones is a career 35% 3-point shooter. Not sure he’s the spot-up shooter you think he is.