C-J columnist: IU-UK series is dead as a rotary phone for next season

  • 05/31/2012 10:25 am in

Louisville Courier-Journal: Kentucky basketball won’t meet IU three-quarter way

UK coach John Calipari will hug and kiss the Cardinal Bird before he agrees to play another game in Bloomington. That’s his prerogative. It’s puzzling because Calipari has always claimed to schedule without the slightest suggestion of fear. But it’s his prerogative.

Here is Part II: If the Wildcats won’t go to Assembly Hall at least once every four seasons, Glass and IU coach Tom Crean can find a string of replacement parts for UK on the Hoosiers’ schedule. That is their prerogative, and it’s not a bit puzzling. Gus Johnson isn’t the only national sportscaster to call Assembly Hall “the Carnegie Hall of basketball.”

“We just can’t accept a one-sided, take-it-or-leave-it ultimatum that would leave our students completely out,” Glass said. “I think we did three-quarters of a loaf for them. That last quarter we really need for our kids.”

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  • Evansville Hoosier

    As a current student… Fred is the man

  • I loathe Kentucky!

  • HOOSIER KEN

    Coach Cal is more about big dollars then about student athletes, he is more concerned about keeping the richie rich horse owners happy and making sure he puts wins over anything else, he does not care about uk’s students being able to see games, he dose not care about a collage game that is the best non-professional sport in the country, If he has his way it would be a professional sport like the NBA, I say forget uk and Coach Cal. and keep running a program that is clean and played like it should be, fun for students to watch and do what they do best, make good grades, and cheer there school at home games, if we non students want to watch the game all we have to do is turn the TV on, to me a big part of the game is watching students going crazy over their team. Coach Cal is bad for the sport!

  • HOOSIER KEN

    Coach Cal is more about big dollars then about student athletes, he is more concerned about keeping the richie rich horse owners happy and making sure he puts wins over anything else, he does not care about uk’s students being able to see games, he dose not care about a collage game that is the best non-professional sport in the country, If he has his way it would be a professional sport like the NBA, I say forget uk and Coach Cal. and keep running a program that is clean and played like it should be, fun for students to watch and do what they do best, make good grades, and cheer there school at home games, if we non students want to watch the game all we have to do is turn the TV on, to me a big part of the game is watching students going crazy over their team. Coach Cal is bad for the sport!

  • Daburns0

    When I was a student at IU, I had an opportunity to go to a couple of IU-UK neutral site games.  That was because my father is an alumni and had tix, but most students aren’t afforded that luxury.  The games were fine, but the Kentucky fan base isn’t a particularly enjoyable one to hang out with.  I would have preferred if they would not have been there.  I commend Glass and Crean for sticking to their guns while they are greatly compromising.

  • N71

    If you were to defend Coach Cal, his positions, his philosophy, etc. I think it would be difficult.  He wins at a high rate because he recruits really, really well, mostly because he’s good at getting guys ready for the NBA and he’s generally considered a good coach from a capabilities perspective.  But boy…beyond that, it’s hard to put a positive spin on the guy based on the information we’re exposed to, his past history, and reputation.  I wonder if UK isn’t somewhat like IU with their revenue stream being unusually basketball dependent in a football league.  Therefore they do anything to improve the economics behind the program, even have Cal as a coach which must be difficult for a percentage of the “traditionalist” within the UK fan base.  This can’t last I wouldn’t think, they will get busted for something, Cal will move on to the NBA for a period, and UK will need to reboot and suck for a period.  What a head scratcher this is.

  • N71

    If you were to defend Coach Cal, his positions, his philosophy, etc. I think it would be difficult.  He wins at a high rate because he recruits really, really well, mostly because he’s good at getting guys ready for the NBA and he’s generally considered a good coach from a capabilities perspective.  But boy…beyond that, it’s hard to put a positive spin on the guy based on the information we’re exposed to, his past history, and reputation.  I wonder if UK isn’t somewhat like IU with their revenue stream being unusually basketball dependent in a football league.  Therefore they do anything to improve the economics behind the program, even have Cal as a coach which must be difficult for a percentage of the “traditionalist” within the UK fan base.  This can’t last I wouldn’t think, they will get busted for something, Cal will move on to the NBA for a period, and UK will need to reboot and suck for a period.  What a head scratcher this is.

  • HoosierRyno

    I find it interesting that most of the writers on UK fan sites like Sea of Blue and Nation of Blue respect, but very much disagree with Calipari’s decision on not taking Fred Glass’ latest offer!

  • Troy Gonzalez

    Just looking at the entire situation without the bias of my love for IU, how can you defend UK’s actions. They said Cal did the same thing while at Memphis to Gonzaga. He wanted neutral court games, but since Memphis doesn’t have an on-campus arena, they play at FedEx Forum in downtown Memphis, and he kept arguing that FedEx was a “downtown arena” and not their home court. Few ended up giving in. After the first time contract talks ended between IU-UK, he went out and scheduled with Baylor, but one game is at Rupp while the other is played in Jerry’s world…little one sided, no? I hate the culture he’s trying to create in college basketball.

  • Troy Gonzalez

    Just looking at the entire situation without the bias of my love for IU, how can you defend UK’s actions. They said Cal did the same thing while at Memphis to Gonzaga. He wanted neutral court games, but since Memphis doesn’t have an on-campus arena, they play at FedEx Forum in downtown Memphis, and he kept arguing that FedEx was a “downtown arena” and not their home court. Few ended up giving in. After the first time contract talks ended between IU-UK, he went out and scheduled with Baylor, but one game is at Rupp while the other is played in Jerry’s world…little one sided, no? I hate the culture he’s trying to create in college basketball.

  • Mat

    I can only hope that somehow we play Kentucky in the tournament and absolutely pulverize them!  On of my favorite quotes from RMK was when he called Calipari “greasy” on a ESPN pregame show.  Calipari is just a scum bag who deserves to get caught AGAIN and then hopefully no one will give him another chance.  As much as we all would have liked to see this tradition keep going, we really don’t need it.  We will find another top 25 program to start playing.  #1 team in the country, on a mission to hang #6!!! 

  • N71

    I’m not so certain we need to replace UK with another top 25 program/game.  The Big Ten isn’t getting any weaker and we have Butler who was back-to-back NCAA runner up.  Butler’s down a little but will likely spring back to top 25 form.  Notre Dame is nothing to sneeze at.  MSU and OSU have been good and will continue to be.  Purdue was down a little but they have some good classes coming in.  Michigan appears to be back at a high level.  Wisconsin is consistently top 25.  Illinois could recover if the new coach figures out Chicago recruiting.  Minnesota is Top 25.  You could make the argument that the trend of a continuously strengthening Big Ten offsets the loss of UK in a total schedule strength analysis.  Then we play UNC I think in the ACC challenge.  Don’t we play UCLA as well.  From “testing” our team the schedule is already difficult enough I would think.  The only real benefit of playing UK is it’s fun…when we win.  A championship without playing UK is still #6.  It’s not like it will be invalidated and erased from the record books once my coach’s checkered past catches up with him.

  • sean

    Even as a Purdue fan, I side with IU….and I never side with IU.

  • MarkIU10

    I have been indifferent about Glass when he was on the CIB in Indy that had all kinds of financial issues under his watch.  And was concerned when he became AD at IU.  Hearing him on JMV last year really impressed me.  He is a college sports fan through and through, and it shows.  He definitely knows that an IU/UK game is capable of being one of, if not the marque CBB game during the season pre-dance time.  I just heard him on Dakich and he has really approached this situation with UK perfectly.  National media blamed us as part of the problem as not doing enough to keep the series going.  He needed to exonerate IU from responsibility in this blame-game but I believe he has now done it with this letter and the publicity that has come out of it nationally.  Glass said that the people involved(himself, Crean, Calipari, Barnhardt) are all not bigger than the rivalry.  What he isnt able to say due to our wussification of America political correctness society these days..is that Calipari belives that he IS bigger than the rivalry.  He told Dakich that he wouldnt play at IU again.  Also he claims responsibility for making IU’s program.  This guy is unbelievable.  We are a blue blood team.  Our programs success proved that even when we were terrible. 
    We will all get big laughs when UK gets buried in NCAA sanctions at some point coming soon.     

  • MarkIU10

    I have been indifferent about Glass when he was on the CIB in Indy that had all kinds of financial issues under his watch.  And was concerned when he became AD at IU.  Hearing him on JMV last year really impressed me.  He is a college sports fan through and through, and it shows.  He definitely knows that an IU/UK game is capable of being one of, if not the marque CBB game during the season pre-dance time.  I just heard him on Dakich and he has really approached this situation with UK perfectly.  National media blamed us as part of the problem as not doing enough to keep the series going.  He needed to exonerate IU from responsibility in this blame-game but I believe he has now done it with this letter and the publicity that has come out of it nationally.  Glass said that the people involved(himself, Crean, Calipari, Barnhardt) are all not bigger than the rivalry.  What he isnt able to say due to our wussification of America political correctness society these days..is that Calipari belives that he IS bigger than the rivalry.  He told Dakich that he wouldnt play at IU again.  Also he claims responsibility for making IU’s program.  This guy is unbelievable.  We are a blue blood team.  Our programs success proved that even when we were terrible. 
    We will all get big laughs when UK gets buried in NCAA sanctions at some point coming soon.     

  • Mike Coleman

    “Homie don’t play that” – Fred Glass

  • jack_j100

    Where can I get a UK tee-shirt with the UK in bright yellow?

  • Kokomo_Joe

    Regardless what anyone says here, whether an IU fan or UK fan, the NCAA and major D I athletic departments are all about the money. 

    That “money” factor should be put to rest.

    Plain and simple, UK doesn’t want to play at IU on campus.  Because if the argument is made that 17,000 seats isn’t a big enough venue for the Cats, then they need to join a better basketball conference.  When they sell out Florida on the road to an amazing crowd of 11,700, that is still far less than the crowds IU, Purdue, Michigan, MSU, etc pull when they play No Name Tech or Central Nevada A & M.

    I feel Glass hit a home run here on his delivery, tone and message.

    Wouldn’t it be nice some day soon that UK has a bit of fall from grace and struggle to reach the Sweet 16, Elite 8 or Final 4?  If the NBA and NCAA ever get together and instate a 2 year rule, UK may begin to lose out on some of the out of state recruits or have a log jam where playing time might be more sparse and harder to earn.

    Either way, put U of L, KU, UC, etc on our schedule and play some competitive games.

  • Kokomo_Joe

    Regardless what anyone says here, whether an IU fan or UK fan, the NCAA and major D I athletic departments are all about the money. 

    That “money” factor should be put to rest.

    Plain and simple, UK doesn’t want to play at IU on campus.  Because if the argument is made that 17,000 seats isn’t a big enough venue for the Cats, then they need to join a better basketball conference.  When they sell out Florida on the road to an amazing crowd of 11,700, that is still far less than the crowds IU, Purdue, Michigan, MSU, etc pull when they play No Name Tech or Central Nevada A & M.

    I feel Glass hit a home run here on his delivery, tone and message.

    Wouldn’t it be nice some day soon that UK has a bit of fall from grace and struggle to reach the Sweet 16, Elite 8 or Final 4?  If the NBA and NCAA ever get together and instate a 2 year rule, UK may begin to lose out on some of the out of state recruits or have a log jam where playing time might be more sparse and harder to earn.

    Either way, put U of L, KU, UC, etc on our schedule and play some competitive games.

  • B-town88

    I grew up in Indiana, but have spent the last 30 years between Dallas, Nashville, Atlanta and Lexington. Texas treatment of T A&M is a distant second, but nowhere were fans as narrow-minded or obnoxious as Lexington. This was true for their treatment towards Any school, not just Uk rivals. A large Uk fan base acts like they are from Hazard Kentucky, even those with Uk degrees.
    With that mindset, it is futile to even attempt to discuss this issue further with Uk. You can’t make Sense of NonSense!
    Hats off to Mr Glass for trying. I applaud his effort to maintain the integrity of IU!

  • MJR

    Did anyone else watch/listen to the Dan Patrick show today? Anthony Davis called into the show. Patrick asked Davis what the conversation was like with Calipari regarding leaving for the NBA. Davis said Cal called the meeting to tell the freshman student athlete that it was time for him to leave the program. AD then described how he might’ve wanted to stay.

  • MJR

    Did anyone else watch/listen to the Dan Patrick show today? Anthony Davis called into the show. Patrick asked Davis what the conversation was like with Calipari regarding leaving for the NBA. Davis said Cal called the meeting to tell the freshman student athlete that it was time for him to leave the program. AD then described how he might’ve wanted to stay.

  • ucla, syracuse, georgetown,

    san diego st, unlv, gonzaga

    it dont matter to me.  Play Ball 

  • Sam

    The NCAA Tournament has a way of “randomly” working out pairings of certain rivals.  UK can run but they cannot hide. 

  • CV

    They don’t want to play, forget’em then. The UK fans have become intolerable anyway. They think they walk on water.

  • HoosierDavey

    Have been very impressed by Fred Glass so far as AD.  The way he has worked to make things good for the fans, the commitment he has made to try and bring football up to B10 standards, his visual support at games, getting the baseball stadium, and now this.  He has been doing exactly what I would want an AD to do for IU.  Kudos to him!

  • oldiufan

    When you cut it down to just the basics … UK is afraid to play IU at Assembly Hall! And, the reason was demonstrated last December …

  • Remy Willing and Abell

    Guess the 2012 champs are just a bunch of PUNKS !

  • SCHoosier

    I hope any Indiana kid UK recruits in the future is quickly and often reminded that Coach Calipari doesn’t have the “stones” to play IU in Bloomington..period.

  • SCHoosier

    I hope any Indiana kid UK recruits in the future is quickly and often reminded that Coach Calipari doesn’t have the “stones” to play IU in Bloomington..period.

  • MTung

    Being a UM fan, I had previously attempted to post that Calipari’s position was based on either greed or fear.  Having read AD Glass’ strategically inspired letter, we can now eliminate greed.  Cal is scared.  Glass has class.  All in all, this is a shame, because it sure would be a helluva college basketball game over the next 4 years.  It was interesting how Dick Vitale was (sort of) defending Cal when this came to a head.  Wonder what Dickie V will say now?

  • Johninmi

    If you’re scared say you’re scared!

  • trailrunner

    IU should sign a 4 year deal home and home with Louisville and Louisville should drop Kentucky. 

  • I’ll take Louisville or Kansas over Kentucky for the new series anyway. I can still hate Kentucky from afar and eventually educate my currently unborn children as to just how much yellow there is in Big Blue Nation.  

  • Chris Vetor

    Why not do a one year deal and play at their place so we can kick their butts . This would put pressure on coach cal to accept or show his fear of failure. 

  • John

    My only question is why did Coach Knight go along with the neutral site series for so long.  I think the current IU reasoning makes sense, but then, you had a great coach like Knight having gone the direction that Kentucky wanted now. 

  • jmfriedman

    What a joke Calipari is.  I simply cannot wait for this jerk to go down and drag UK with him.  To end the rivalry is ridiculous.  Just when you think you cannot hate UK any more……… huh, I guess I can.

  • Don’t you think most I.U. students would rather play Wildcats anywhere, anyplace, anytime than nothing? No Game Period? 

  • Don’t you think most I.U. students would rather play Wildcats anywhere, anyplace, anytime than nothing? No Game Period? 

  • Hoosiers__1

    I hate UK and Cal for being so stubborn on this subject; however, I would rather drive an hour to Lucas Oil with my friends the next two years to watch an IU vs. UK game than not have UK on the schedule at all. Student tickets wouldn’t be that expensive. And, it’s a doable trip for most students (especially those who live in the Indy area). I would rather keep the home and home, but I just want IU to put UK in its place by beating them in December. Lucas Oil is no Assembly Hall, but Hoosiers fans will make it rock.

  • Hoosiers__1

    IU is going to be one of the best teams in the country. We shouldn’t be afraid of playing ANYBODY. If we have the opportunity to replace UK with a Top 25 team, we should; otherwise, IU would be looking like UK (too afraid to play the best teams).

  • Kenneth234

    As Fred Glass said on the Dan Dakish radio show, “Homey don’t play that”!  LOL!  There is a quick link on the right if you want to listen to the interview with Fred Glass about this situation.

  • Kenneth234

    As Fred Glass said on the Dan Dakish radio show, “Homey don’t play that”!  LOL!  There is a quick link on the right if you want to listen to the interview with Fred Glass about this situation.

  • It’s a nice thought, but most students would like to be actually see the game live. With ticket prices for the big neutral sites being what they are, it’s not feasible for a majority of them.

  • ScoopGeoff

    I can’t stand Cal, but he would have been doing Davis a dis-service had he encouraged him to stay. There is no way Davis could have improved his draft stock or marketability. The reason college exists is to prepare people for professional opportunities, no matter the field. You could possibly argue that he would’ve been more prepared for the next level if he stayed, but he’d never be more coveted. The only potential outcomes going forward for Davis would be equal or negative as compared to this year. It was the right thing for Cal to do.

  • marcusgresham

    When does he get to bop Calipari and Barnhardt on the head?

  • marcusgresham

    If that happens then the UK fans will do nothing but accuse Louisville of backing out in fear. Selective memories.

  • SCHoosier

    Agree..I mean UK could look ahead four years..and pencil in IU’s starting line-up of great committed players. Then Cal  looks ahead to UK’s four year plan..and hope/pray that the “one and doners” will continue to populate his roster..but he can’t be sure. (altho UK itself is a strong recruiting tool) UK has the results under Calipari..but I have to believe that model for success has its limitations. Don’t expect Dickie V to come down on UK..he sucks up to all his contacts.

  • SCHoosier

    Agree..I mean UK could look ahead four years..and pencil in IU’s starting line-up of great committed players. Then Cal  looks ahead to UK’s four year plan..and hope/pray that the “one and doners” will continue to populate his roster..but he can’t be sure. (altho UK itself is a strong recruiting tool) UK has the results under Calipari..but I have to believe that model for success has its limitations. Don’t expect Dickie V to come down on UK..he sucks up to all his contacts.

  • CV

    Note to self: If everything goes well in the future. And IU is good enough, and lucky enough, to win the title in the next five years. Don’t handle it like the UK fans and school are. Appreciation and humility will be in order.