Open Thread: Build your 2010 recruiting class

  • 07/16/2009 11:30 am in

You are Tom Crean. (Not really, but for this exercise, you’ll be playing the part.) The first July evaluation period has come and gone. As of this writing, your lone commitment for the 2010 recruiting class is David Williams, a two-star wing from Jacksonville (FL). Hoosier Nation, as some like to call it, is clamoring for a big name commitment.

There are no shortage of targets on the radar for 2010: Kyrie Irving, Stacey Poole, Moses Morgan, Michael Cobbins, Cameron Wright, Terrence Jones, Vander Blue, Reggie Smith and others that will probably come to the surface as the summer moves along.

Keeping in mind the scholarship numbers, what is your ideal scenario for this class? Who is your top target? What position is your number one priority to improve? Do you sign as many players as you can and worry about scholarships for 2011 later? Or do you tread cautiously?

Questions, questions, questions. Your answers are due in the comments starting … now. Don’t be shy.

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  • BFowler

    If I were Coach Crean, from my limited perspective, I would focus the entirety of my 2010 class on Irving. Williams is in the fold, we have another point coming in in 2011 (Carlino). The only other player on my radar in 2010 is Poole, and I would only be interested if Irving goes elsewhere. That leaves one opening in 2011, unless a Creek or Watford or someone goes pro, or someone else transfers. The roster would look like this in 2010 – 2011:
    PG – Rivers (Sr.), Hulls (So.), Irving (Fr.)
    SG – VJ III (Jr.), Roth (Jr.), Creek (So.)
    SF – Watford (So.), Williams (Fr.)
    PF – Pritchard (Jr.), Capobianco (So.), Elston (So.)
    C – Miniru (So.)
    There is a lot of players who can be versatile – VJ III can go point, Creek can play wing in a 3-guard lineup, Watford can go to the 4, Elston can play either forward position, Capo and Pritch can play the post.
    To me, if there is a shortage of depth, you could argue for Center and go with Plumlee and Zeller in 2011. I do not believe you need a true center to win in college, so I would go with tough, determined bigs with really talented wings and a great point. I would like to see Plumlee and Gilchrist in my 2011 class (oversigning by one), if we miss on one of those, get Zeller. Notice there is no Teague reference anywhere in the post, prior to this. I feel our PG depth would be ideal without another one in the mix. My 2011-2012 roster would look like this:
    PG – Hulls (Jr.), Irving (So.), Carlino (Fr.)
    SG – VJ III (Sr.), Roth (Sr.), Creek (Jr.)
    SF – Watford (Jr.), Williams (So.), Gilchrist (Fr.)
    PF – Pritchard (Sr.), Capobianco (Jr.), Elston (Jr.)
    C – Miniru (Jr.), Plumlee (Fr.)
    Redshirt Williams to get the roster to 13. I also like Dawson from Gary, but I hear he is a strong Purdue lean, so it will be painful to play them. This roster then leaves 3 spots in 2012, which we will get to at some other time.

  • BFowler

    If I were Coach Crean, from my limited perspective, I would focus the entirety of my 2010 class on Irving. Williams is in the fold, we have another point coming in in 2011 (Carlino). The only other player on my radar in 2010 is Poole, and I would only be interested if Irving goes elsewhere. That leaves one opening in 2011, unless a Creek or Watford or someone goes pro, or someone else transfers. The roster would look like this in 2010 – 2011:
    PG – Rivers (Sr.), Hulls (So.), Irving (Fr.)
    SG – VJ III (Jr.), Roth (Jr.), Creek (So.)
    SF – Watford (So.), Williams (Fr.)
    PF – Pritchard (Jr.), Capobianco (So.), Elston (So.)
    C – Miniru (So.)
    There are a lot of players who can be versatile – VJ III can go point, Creek can play wing in a 3-guard lineup, Watford can go to the 4, Elston can play either forward position, Capo and Pritch can play the post.
    To me, if there is a shortage of depth, you could argue for Center and go with Plumlee and Zeller in 2011. I do not believe you need a true center to win in college, so I would go with tough, determined bigs with really talented wings and a great point. I would like to see Plumlee and Gilchrist in my 2011 class (oversigning by one), if we miss on one of those, get Zeller. Notice there is no Teague reference anywhere in the post, prior to this. I feel our PG depth would be ideal without another one in the mix. My 2011-2012 roster would look like this:
    PG – Hulls (Jr.), Irving (So.), Carlino (Fr.)
    SG – VJ III (Sr.), Roth (Sr.), Creek (Jr.)
    SF – Watford (Jr.), Williams (So.), Gilchrist (Fr.)
    PF – Pritchard (Sr.), Capobianco (Jr.), Elston (Jr.)
    C – Miniru (Jr.), Plumlee (Fr.)
    Redshirt Williams or Plumlee to get the roster to 13. I also like Dawson from Gary, but I hear he is a strong Purdue lean, so it will be painful to play them. This roster then leaves 3 spots in 2012, which we will get to at some other time.

  • BFowler

    If I were Coach Crean, from my limited perspective, I would focus the entirety of my 2010 class on Irving. Williams is in the fold, we have another point coming in in 2011 (Carlino). The only other player on my radar in 2010 is Poole, and I would only be interested if Irving goes elsewhere. That leaves one opening in 2011, unless a Creek or Watford or someone goes pro, or someone else transfers. The roster would look like this in 2010 – 2011:
    PG – Rivers (Sr.), Hulls (So.), Irving (Fr.)
    SG – VJ III (Jr.), Roth (Jr.), Creek (So.)
    SF – Watford (So.), Williams (Fr.)
    PF – Pritchard (Jr.), Capobianco (So.), Elston (So.)
    C – Miniru (So.)
    There are a lot of players who can be versatile – VJ III can go point, Creek can play wing in a 3-guard lineup, Watford can go to the 4, Elston can play either forward position, Capo and Pritch can play the post.
    To me, if there is a shortage of depth, you could argue for Center and go with Plumlee and Zeller in 2011. I do not believe you need a true center to win in college, so I would go with tough, determined bigs with really talented wings and a great point. I would like to see Plumlee and Gilchrist in my 2011 class (oversigning by one), if we miss on one of those, get Zeller. Notice there is no Teague reference anywhere in the post, prior to this. I feel our PG depth would be ideal without another one in the mix. My 2011-2012 roster would look like this:
    PG – Hulls (Jr.), Irving (So.), Carlino (Fr.)
    SG – VJ III (Sr.), Roth (Sr.), Creek (Jr.)
    SF – Watford (Jr.), Williams (So.), Gilchrist (Fr.)
    PF – Pritchard (Sr.), Capobianco (Jr.), Elston (Jr.)
    C – Miniru (Jr.), Plumlee (Fr.)
    Redshirt Williams or Plumlee to get the roster to 13. I also like Dawson from Gary, but I hear he is a strong Purdue lean, so it will be painful to play them. This roster then leaves 3 spots in 2012, which we will get to at some other time.

  • BFowler

    If I were Coach Crean, from my limited perspective, I would focus the entirety of my 2010 class on Irving. Williams is in the fold, we have another point coming in in 2011 (Carlino). The only other player on my radar in 2010 is Poole, and I would only be interested if Irving goes elsewhere. That leaves one opening in 2011, unless a Creek or Watford or someone goes pro, or someone else transfers. The roster would look like this in 2010 – 2011:
    PG – Rivers (Sr.), Hulls (So.), Irving (Fr.)
    SG – VJ III (Jr.), Roth (Jr.), Creek (So.)
    SF – Watford (So.), Williams (Fr.)
    PF – Pritchard (Jr.), Capobianco (So.), Elston (So.)
    C – Miniru (So.)
    There are a lot of players who can be versatile – VJ III can go point, Creek can play wing in a 3-guard lineup, Watford can go to the 4, Elston can play either forward position, Capo and Pritch can play the post.
    To me, if there is a shortage of depth, you could argue for Center and go with Plumlee and Zeller in 2011. I do not believe you need a true center to win in college, so I would go with tough, determined bigs with really talented wings and a great point. I would like to see Plumlee and Gilchrist in my 2011 class (oversigning by one), if we miss on one of those, get Zeller. Notice there is no Teague reference anywhere in the post, prior to this. I feel our PG depth would be ideal without another one in the mix. My 2011-2012 roster would look like this:
    PG – Hulls (Jr.), Irving (So.), Carlino (Fr.)
    SG – VJ III (Sr.), Roth (Sr.), Creek (Jr.)
    SF – Watford (Jr.), Williams (So.), Gilchrist (Fr.)
    PF – Pritchard (Sr.), Capobianco (Jr.), Elston (Jr.)
    C – Miniru (Jr.), Plumlee (Fr.)
    Redshirt Williams or Plumlee to get the roster to 13. I also like Dawson from Gary, but I hear he is a strong Purdue lean, so it will be painful to play them. This roster then leaves 3 spots in 2012, which we will get to at some other time.

  • GFDave

    I, Coach Crean, am going to sign three players:

    My highest probability group is David Williams, Moses Morgan and Kyrie Irving.

    However, in my recruitment of David, I told him that his offer was conditional and that I would revoke the offer if I got a chance to sign other players that, frankly, are better than him. Poole, Cobbins and Jones fit that bill. I don't really think I have a shot at Jones, he is going to stay on the coast.

    There I think the next most likely group is Moses Morgan, Kyrie Irving and Stacy Poole.

    My fantasy class is Kyrie Irving, Stacy Poole and Michael Cobbins.

  • GFDave

    I, Coach Crean, am going to sign three players:

    My highest probability group is David Williams, Moses Morgan and Kyrie Irving.

    However, in my recruitment of David, I told him that his offer was conditional and that I would revoke the offer if I got a chance to sign other players that, frankly, are better than him. Poole, Cobbins and Jones fit that bill. I don't really think I have a shot at Jones, he is going to stay on the coast.

    Therefore I think the next most likely group is Moses Morgan, Kyrie Irving and Stacy Poole.

    My fantasy class is Kyrie Irving, Stacy Poole and Michael Cobbins.

  • GFDave

    I, Coach Crean, am going to sign three players:

    My highest probability group is David Williams, Moses Morgan and Kyrie Irving. (I'm editing this post to clarify that GFDave is fine with Williams coming to IU for APR and practice player reasons, but I don't think he projects as a starter (he'll never be better than Elston, imo) and its not like he somehow is irreplaceable.)

    However, in my recruitment of David, I told him that his offer was conditional and that I would revoke the offer if I got a chance to sign other players that, frankly, are better than him. Poole, Cobbins and Jones fit that bill. I don't really think I have a shot at Jones, he is going to stay on the coast.

    Therefore I think the next most likely group is Moses Morgan, Kyrie Irving and Stacy Poole.

    My fantasy class is Kyrie Irving, Stacy Poole and Michael Cobbins.

  • GFDave

    I, Coach Crean, am going to sign three players:

    My highest probability group is David Williams, Moses Morgan and Kyrie Irving. (I'm editing this post to clarify that GFDave is fine with Williams coming to IU for APR and practice player reasons, but I don't think he projects as a starter (he'll never be better than Elston, imo) and its not like he somehow is irreplaceable.)

    However, in my recruitment of David, I told him that his offer was conditional and that I would revoke the offer if I got a chance to sign other players that, frankly, are better than him. Poole, Cobbins and Jones fit that bill. I don't really think I have a shot at Jones, he is going to stay on the coast.

    Therefore I think the next most likely group is Moses Morgan, Kyrie Irving and Stacy Poole.

    My fantasy class is Kyrie Irving, Stacy Poole and Michael Cobbins.

  • GFDave

    You and I are largely in agreement on the future configuration of the roster. I think there will be three kids in 2010, not two and 4 players in 2011 (adding Zeller and Dawson). That's 16 players for 13 slots. The three will come, in my opinion, from a group including Roth, Creek, Muniru, Dawson and Williams.

  • GFDave

    You and I are largely in agreement on the future configuration of the roster. I think there will be three kids in 2010, not two and 4 players in 2011 (adding Zeller and Dawson). That's 16 players for 13 slots. The three will come, in my opinion, from a group including Roth, Creek, Muniru, Dawson and Williams.

  • GFDave

    You and I are largely in agreement on the future configuration of the roster. I think there will be three kids in 2010, not two and 4 players in 2011 (adding Zeller and Dawson). That's 16 players for 13 slots. The three will come, in my opinion, from a group including Roth, Creek, Muniru, Dawson and Williams.

  • GFDave

    You and I are largely in agreement on the future configuration of the roster. I think there will be three kids in 2010, not two and 4 players in 2011 (adding Zeller and Dawson). That's 16 players for 13 slots. The three will come, in my opinion, from a group including Roth, Creek, Muniru, Dawson and Williams.

  • Greg

    Just FYI, we have 2 scholarships for 2011 and even if you redshirt a player, it counts towards the 13 scholarships.

  • Greg

    Just FYI, we have 2 scholarships for 2011 and even if you redshirt a player, it counts towards the 13 scholarships.

  • '10: Irving #1, any of the others would suitable take Williams' proper spot on the roster (Morgan/Wright/Blue). And since we're playing fantasy roster, let's go ahead & scratch Roth from next year to make additional room for top talent. (Is it still a safe assumption Mo & Bawa will occupy those spots?)

    '11: Gilchrist/Teague/Davis (in that order for PG ), Plumlee, & Shaw. (VJ3's may be on the bubble for '11 if he doesn't show the ability to compete with '09's roster & the changing role it requires of him. Same for you Pritchard!)

    If Crean can snag Irving & Gilchrist, he will officially have the power to walk on water, eat lightning, & shit ice cream. At the very least, we'll hang banners in the coming years.

  • '10: Irving #1, any of the others would suitable take Williams' proper spot on the roster (Morgan/Wright/Blue). And since we're playing fantasy roster, let's go ahead & scratch Roth from next year to make additional room for top talent. (Is it still a safe assumption Mo & Bawa will occupy those spots?)

    '11: Gilchrist/Teague/Davis (in that order for PG ), Plumlee, & Shaw. (VJ3's may be on the bubble for '11 if he doesn't show the ability to compete with '09's roster & the changing role it requires of him. Same for you Pritchard!)

    If Crean can snag Irving & Gilchrist, he will officially have the power to walk on water, eat lightning, & shit ice cream. At the very least, we'll hang banners in the coming years.

  • '10: Irving #1, any of the others would suitable take Williams' proper spot on the roster (Morgan/Wright/Blue). And since we're playing fantasy roster, let's go ahead & scratch Roth from next year to make additional room for top talent. (Is it still a safe assumption Mo & Bawa will occupy those spots?)

    '11: Gilchrist/Teague/Davis (in that order for PG ), Plumlee, & Shaw. (VJ3's may be on the bubble for '11 if he doesn't show the ability to compete with '09's roster & the changing role it requires of him. Same for you Pritchard!)

    If Crean can snag Irving & Gilchrist, he will officially have the power to walk on water, eat lightning, & shit ice cream. At the very least, we'll hang banners in the coming years.

  • J.B.

    My ideal scenario would be to help David Williams find a different school b/c we have limited scholarships and need top tier talent. I trust Coach Crean a great deal, but according to everything we read, this kid has a long way to go. Then we need to get three of the following: Irving, Coleman, Poole, Jones, Blue, Cobbins and Morgan. Do not oversign b/c scholarships are already limited. Obviously, my top target would be Irving, with Poole close behind. I think PG and C have to be top priorities b/c we are loaded at the SG and forward positions. However, I don't think it's a bad thing to take top talent, even if it crowds another position. If we miss out on most of these guys, and only get maybe one of them, I think we should save our schollies for 2011. I don't think we should settle for anything less than the above names just to fill schollies. Lastly, 2011 schollies will work themselves out…don't stop recruiting!!

  • J.B.

    My ideal scenario would be to help David Williams find a different school b/c we have limited scholarships and need top tier talent. I trust Coach Crean a great deal, but according to everything we read, this kid has a long way to go. Then we need to get three of the following: Irving, Coleman, Poole, Jones, Blue, Cobbins and Morgan. Do not oversign b/c scholarships are already limited. Obviously, my top target would be Irving, with Poole close behind. I think PG and C have to be top priorities b/c we are loaded at the SG and forward positions. However, I don't think it's a bad thing to take top talent, even if it crowds another position. If we miss out on most of these guys, and only get maybe one of them, I think we should save our schollies for 2011. I don't think we should settle for anything less than the above names just to fill schollies. Lastly, 2011 schollies will work themselves out…don't stop recruiting!!

  • J.B.

    My ideal scenario would be to help David Williams find a different school b/c we have limited scholarships and need top tier talent. I trust Coach Crean a great deal, but according to everything we read, this kid has a long way to go. Then we need to get three of the following: Irving, Coleman, Poole, Jones, Blue, Cobbins and Morgan. Do not oversign b/c scholarships are already limited. Obviously, my top target would be Irving, with Poole close behind. I think PG and C have to be top priorities b/c we are loaded at the SG and forward positions. However, I don't think it's a bad thing to take top talent, even if it crowds another position. If we miss out on most of these guys, and only get maybe one of them, I think we should save our schollies for 2011. I don't think we should settle for anything less than the above names just to fill schollies. Lastly, 2011 schollies will work themselves out…don't stop recruiting!!

  • Ryan_T

    I think Creek will land a starting role by his sophomore year… this kid is supposed to be the gem in this year's class.

  • Ryan_T

    I think Creek will land a starting role by his sophomore year… this kid is supposed to be the gem in this year's class.

  • Ryan_T

    I think Creek will land a starting role by his sophomore year… this kid is supposed to be the gem in this year's class.

  • Ryan_T

    Scratch Roth from the roster?? C'mon man, this kid will be a great off-the-bench quick surge of 3 point prowess. I agree that he won't start, nor will he play large amounts of time, but you have to have a guy that can hit ridiculous 3's to keep the defense honest.

    I'm starting a Matt Roth fan club.

  • Ryan_T

    Scratch Roth from the roster?? C'mon man, this kid will be a great off-the-bench quick surge of 3 point prowess. I agree that he won't start, nor will he play large amounts of time, but you have to have a guy that can hit ridiculous 3's to keep the defense honest.

    I'm starting a Matt Roth fan club.

  • Ryan_T

    Scratch Roth from the roster?? C'mon man, this kid will be a great off-the-bench quick surge of 3 point prowess. I agree that he won't start, nor will he play large amounts of time, but you have to have a guy that can hit ridiculous 3's to keep the defense honest.

    I'm starting a Matt Roth fan club.

  • Ryan_T

    David Williams isn't going anywhere. You guys need to join a support group or a 12-step program to acknowledge the fact that he WILL be a Hoosier next year. You guys need some faith that Crean knows what he's doing.

  • Ryan_T

    David Williams isn't going anywhere. You guys need to join a support group or a 12-step program to acknowledge the fact that he WILL be a Hoosier. You guys need some faith that Crean knows what he's doing.

  • Ryan_T

    David Williams isn't going anywhere. You guys need to join a support group or a 12-step program to acknowledge the fact that he WILL be a Hoosier. You guys need some faith that Crean knows what he's doing.

  • Disco_Briscoe

    Kyrie Irving and Williams…save the 3rd for next year if we have some solid options in 2011. If not I would go with Poole for the 3rd spot since he seems to be the best wing/athlete on the board or who ever is (name?).

    Williams is here and I don't get why everyone is bashing him. He is 6'8'' intelligent, will be here for 4 years (which most of you call ideal recruits for IU but not in his case), and will probably be able to play 3 positions (3,4,5) over his time here.

    2011…I want these 3…Gilchrist, Zeller or Plumlee, and Etherington.

  • Disco_Briscoe

    Kyrie Irving and Williams…save the 3rd for next year if we have some solid options in 2011. If not I would go with Poole for the 3rd spot since he seems to be the best wing/athlete on the board or who ever is (name?).

    Williams is here and I don't get why everyone is bashing him. He is 6'8'' intelligent, will be here for 4 years (which most of you call ideal recruits for IU but not in his case), and will probably be able to play 3 positions (3,4,5) over his time here.

    2011…I want these 3…Gilchrist, Zeller or Plumlee, and Etherington.

  • Disco_Briscoe

    Kyrie Irving and Williams…save the 3rd for next year if we have some solid options in 2011. If not I would go with Poole for the 3rd spot since he seems to be the best wing/athlete on the board or who ever is (name?).

    Williams is here and I don't get why everyone is bashing him. He is 6'8'' intelligent, will be here for 4 years (which most of you call ideal recruits for IU but not in his case), and will probably be able to play 3 positions (3,4,5) over his time here.

    2011…I want these 3…Gilchrist, Zeller or Plumlee, and Etherington.

  • Kelin Blab

    Simple statement…..Matt Roth is the best shooter on the team….last year, this year, and thereafter. You now have more creators and penetrators with Creek, Dumes, VJ, Hulls, Wateford…and maybe soon KI….who do you kick out to for a three….Matt 'Freakin' Roth. THere is a place for him on the roster…..

  • Kelin Blab

    Simple statement…..Matt Roth is the best shooter on the team….last year, this year, and thereafter. You now have more creators and penetrators with Creek, Dumes, VJ, Hulls, Wateford…and maybe soon KI….who do you kick out to for a three….Matt 'Freakin' Roth. THere is a place for him on the roster…..

  • Kelin Blab

    Simple statement…..Matt Roth is the best shooter on the team….last year, this year, and thereafter. You now have more creators and penetrators with Creek, Dumes, VJ, Hulls, Wateford…and maybe soon KI….who do you kick out to for a three….Matt 'Freakin' Roth. THere is a place for him on the roster…..

  • Gary

    The years we should be building toward a “deep” run are spring of 2012, 13, 14.. Will Irving be a factor in those years? “IF” he is a sure fire one-and-done, then he will be gone. He certianly would be a huge factor toward making the tourney in 2011, but, I doubt very seriously if he could take the team beyond the 3rd round. If he could truly be projected to stay with IU for 2 or 3 years, then he would be a GREAT recruit for 2010-11. We would be looking at 4-6 rounds in 2012,

    I would focus on rebounding in fall of 2010 and “one-and-done” in fall of 2011.
    IMHO

  • Gary

    The years we should be building toward a “deep” run are spring of 2012, 13, 14.. Will Irving be a factor in those years? “IF” he is a sure fire one-and-done, then he will be gone. He certianly would be a huge factor toward making the tourney in 2011, but, I doubt very seriously if he could take the team beyond the 3rd round. If he could truly be projected to stay with IU for 2 or 3 years, then he would be a GREAT recruit for 2010-11. We would be looking at 4-6 rounds in 2012,

    I would focus on rebounding in fall of 2010 and “one-and-done” in fall of 2011.
    IMHO

  • Gary

    The years we should be building toward a “deep” run are spring of 2012, 13, 14.. Will Irving be a factor in those years? “IF” he is a sure fire one-and-done, then he will be gone. He certianly would be a huge factor toward making the tourney in 2011, but, I doubt very seriously if he could take the team beyond the 3rd round. If he could truly be projected to stay with IU for 2 or 3 years, then he would be a GREAT recruit for 2010-11. We would be looking at 4-6 rounds in 2012,

    I would focus on rebounding in fall of 2010 and “one-and-done” in fall of 2011.
    IMHO

  • As much as I like Roth, DEFENSE son! He was offensive/defensive scoring plus in only 1 game last year- OSU. He's gotta play defense better to keep his spot. And while 3's are great, I'd like to see him move a lot more away from the ball to create those 3's. Standing in the corner & just waiting for the D to forget you isn't the best way to score for what's supposed to be a scoring specialist. Just sayin, man. Scoring won't be as big of a deal with the incoming talent. Thus, he's going to have to up his productivity (on both ends) to earn his scholly.

  • As much as I like Roth, DEFENSE son! He was offensive/defensive scoring plus in only 1 game last year- OSU. He's gotta play defense better to keep his spot. And while 3's are great, I'd like to see him move a lot more away from the ball to create those 3's. Standing in the corner & just waiting for the D to forget you isn't the best way to score for what's supposed to be a scoring specialist. Just sayin, man. Scoring won't be as big of a deal with the incoming talent. Thus, he's going to have to up his productivity (on both ends) to earn his scholly.

  • As much as I like Roth, DEFENSE son! He was offensive/defensive scoring plus in only 1 game last year- OSU. He's gotta play defense better to keep his spot. And while 3's are great, I'd like to see him move a lot more away from the ball to create those 3's. Standing in the corner & just waiting for the D to forget you isn't the best way to score for what's supposed to be a scoring specialist. Just sayin, man. Scoring won't be as big of a deal with the incoming talent. Thus, he's going to have to up his productivity (on both ends) to earn his scholly.

  • CutterInChicago

    GFDave, I agree with this post 100%. Give me Williams, Irving and Morgan and I think that is solid. Even better would be Irving, Morgan and Poole and then Irving, Poole and Cobbins.

    And I'm also with Chronic Hoosier below re: if Crean lands Irving and Gilchrist and my only question is what flavors of ice cream does Crean provide?

  • CutterInChicago

    GFDave, I agree with this post 100%. Give me Williams, Irving and Morgan and I think that is solid. Even better would be Irving, Morgan and Poole and then Irving, Poole and Cobbins.

    And I'm also with Chronic Hoosier below re: if Crean lands Irving and Gilchrist and my only question is what flavors of ice cream does Crean provide?

  • CutterInChicago

    GFDave, I agree with this post 100%. Give me Williams, Irving and Morgan and I think that is solid. Even better would be Irving, Morgan and Poole and then Irving, Poole and Cobbins.

    And I'm also with Chronic Hoosier below re: if Crean lands Irving and Gilchrist and my only question is what flavors of ice cream does Crean provide?

  • CutterInChicago

    That's what we said about Jeff Oliphant too. 🙂

  • CutterInChicago

    That's what we said about Jeff Oliphant too. 🙂

  • CutterInChicago

    That's what we said about Jeff Oliphant too. 🙂

  • GFDave

    The stats do not bear you out. Roth shot 38% overall (7th among the regulars) and 37% from 3 point land (second on the team behind Dumas). There were 11 Big Ten players who took over 100 3 point shots that had a better percentage than Roth last year.

    Of particular concern is the +/- rating mentioned by ChronicH. He's got to be able to guard. That's a real question.

    But, he was just a frosh and has a chance to get better. However, the case is not closed that he will be around all four years.

  • GFDave

    The stats do not bear you out. Roth shot 38% overall (7th among the regulars) and 37% from 3 point land (second on the team behind Dumas). There were 11 Big Ten players who took over 100 3 point shots that had a better percentage than Roth last year.

    Of particular concern is the +/- rating mentioned by ChronicH. He's got to be able to guard. That's a real question.

    But, he was just a frosh and has a chance to get better. However, the case is not closed that he will be around all four years.

  • GFDave

    The stats do not bear you out. Roth shot 38% overall (7th among the regulars) and 37% from 3 point land (second on the team behind Dumas). There were 11 Big Ten players who took over 100 3 point shots that had a better percentage than Roth last year.

    Of particular concern is the +/- rating mentioned by ChronicH. He's got to be able to guard. That's a real question.

    But, he was just a frosh and has a chance to get better. However, the case is not closed that he will be around all four years.