IU-Wisconsin: Postgame Open Thread

  • 03/08/2009 8:53 pm in

FINAL SCORE: Wisconsin 85, Indiana 61

There’s not a lot to write about this game that hasn’t been written already this season. The regular season is over. IU finishes up the Big Ten season with a 1-17 record.

The Hoosiers shot relatively well from the field in Madison (54 percent), but committed 16 turnovers, missed nine free throws and were out-rebounded 28-19. That’s not exactly a recipe for winning basketball games.

The Badgers, on the other hand, hit 52 percent from the field, hit 7 of 14 from 3-point range and knocked down 26 of 32 free throws.

Verdell Jones set a career high with 23 points as did Nick Williams with 19 points.

With that, we’ll leave it in your hands. Thoughts about this game, the regular season as a whole and your predictions heading into a 5PM ET matchup on Thursday with Penn State in the Big Ten Tournament are welcome in the comments.

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  • Kelin Blab

    Wow…..I see the team is not the only one's a little drained from the season.

    I will be the first to pat myself on the back for remaining the captain of the VJ bandwagon since day one. I knew the kid just needed time to figure out a few things and he did….don't hand it over to J-Rivers just yet….

    Where oh where, has my Tom Pritchard gone?

    I recommend to many of you to get out and see some of the recruits during tourney play, it has made me feel better………South and Tipton have big games in the first round of the regionals…….

  • Kelin Blab

    Wow…..I see the team is not the only one's a little drained from the season.

    I will be the first to pat myself on the back for remaining the captain of the VJ bandwagon since day one. I knew the kid just needed time to figure out a few things and he did….don't hand it over to J-Rivers just yet….

    Where oh where, has my Tom Pritchard gone?

    I recommend to many of you to get out and see some of the recruits during tourney play, it has made me feel better………South and Tipton have big games in the first round of the regionals…….

  • MikeyD

    VJ III is a baller. He, Williams and Story will get much playing time next year. All the returning players will be tough next year. They will challenge the newbies next season. I can see the team going at least .500 next year in big ten and winning 18+ games next year. Wow…I don't know when I have seen a team play this hard.

  • MikeyD

    VJ III is a baller. He, Williams and Story will get much playing time next year. All the returning players will be tough next year. They will challenge the newbies next season. I can see the team going at least .500 next year in big ten and winning 18+ games next year. Wow…I don't know when I have seen a team play this hard.

  • Luke

    This season sets us up for success for at least the next couple of seasons. With the valuable experiences and lessons brought upon these players combined with our talented 09 class we will be good next year and scary for the years after. The players on this team will not forget this season and use it as motivation not only for the rest of their college basketball careers but also for whatever career they may pursue. With that said, im calling the PSU (i think thats who we play) upset first round of the tourny

  • Taskmaster75

    Don't call me a conspiracy theorist (I've heard it enough), but what is the incentive for the refs to call the game in IU's favor? What if these refs were told to give Wisconsin the game so more Big ten teams can get into the tourney, like Wisconsin, a bubble team. Sorry, but there has been some poor officiating for IU, and besides old referees not being able to keep up with all the games they go to, this is all I got.

  • Taskmaster75

    Don't call me a conspiracy theorist (I've heard it enough), but what is the incentive for the refs to call the game in IU's favor? What if these refs were told to give Wisconsin the game so more Big ten teams can get into the tourney, like Wisconsin, a bubble team. Sorry, but there has been some poor officiating for IU, and besides old referees not being able to keep up with all the games they go to, this is all I got.

  • Taskmaster75

    Pritchard has gotten into foul trouble so much this season, and he is really our best offensive threat, so teams have keyed on him.

  • Taskmaster75

    Pritchard has gotten into foul trouble so much this season, and he is really our best offensive threat, so teams have keyed on him.

  • silkyslim

    Our cream & crimson team is running on fumes.

    I think they need a spring break in Hawaii or the healing springs in French Lick to lick their wounds.

    I still like our team & their progress. Go IU!

  • silkyslim

    Our cream & crimson team is running on fumes.

    I think they need a spring break in Hawaii or the healing springs in French Lick to lick their wounds.

    I still like our team & their progress. Go IU!

  • MillaRed

    I agree. Not to say that we could win in Madison with this team, but even if we played our best there was no chance. 3 touch fouls in 7 seconds while these guys have their hands on us all game? It's a joke.

  • MillaRed

    I agree. Not to say that we could win in Madison with this team, but even if we played our best there was no chance. 3 touch fouls in 7 seconds while these guys have their hands on us all game? It's a joke.

  • MillaRed

    I hear you Kelin but did you notice he plays just as well at the two? There are intriguing options at the one and the two for sure. I have been ptiching Rivers all year because he has a few things going for him that plagued VIII all year. Experience, strength, limiting TOs and defense. VIII's defense is suspect, he turns it over 5 times a game and that isn't what you want from the point.

    I like the idea of Rivers at the point and VIII at the two. VIII does more for the game than Dumes who could be a great scoring threat off the bench.

    Don't get me wrong. VIII is my favorite freshman. He made a strrong push for frosh of the year and is no doubt first team All Big-Ten Frehsman if not All Big-Ten honorable mention. The dude can flat out score and improved every game. I'm loving the thought of the depth we have at the skill positions for years to come.

  • MillaRed

    I hear you Kelin but did you notice he plays just as well at the two? There are intriguing options at the one and the two for sure. I have been ptiching Rivers all year because he has a few things going for him that plagued VIII all year. Experience, strength, limiting TOs and defense. VIII's defense is suspect, he turns it over 5 times a game and that isn't what you want from the point.

    I like the idea of Rivers at the point and VIII at the two. VIII does more for the game than Dumes who could be a great scoring threat off the bench.

    Don't get me wrong. VIII is my favorite freshman. He made a strrong push for frosh of the year and is no doubt first team All Big-Ten Frehsman if not All Big-Ten honorable mention. The dude can flat out score and improved every game. I'm loving the thought of the depth we have at the skill positions for years to come.

  • redyard

    Did anyone else notice Jobe's improvement? Don't get me wrong, he still has no skills on the offensive end and has no idea what to anticipate on defense, but he looked like he had an idea how the game of basketball is played tonight. I'd say he's 1 million percent better than those first few games when he looked like a gazelle in headlights. At this rate, he could be good enough to put in some minutes next year.

    It was really nice to see Williams assert himself on the offensive end – with Dumes out, we had a threat other than VJIII.

  • redyard

    Did anyone else notice Jobe's improvement? Don't get me wrong, he still has no skills on the offensive end and has no idea what to anticipate on defense, but he looked like he had an idea how the game of basketball is played tonight. I'd say he's 1 million percent better than those first few games when he looked like a gazelle in headlights. At this rate, he could be good enough to put in some minutes next year.

    It was really nice to see Williams assert himself on the offensive end – with Dumes out, we had a threat other than VJIII.

  • IOUIU

    It's not unexpected, but still weird to be at this point of the season and knowing that no matter what they do in the B10 tourney, their season is finished very, very soon. No wondering about what seed or region we may be in. All of that stuff is for other schools to think about. It's just an odd feeling.

    But in the end, my wish for this season came true. We played our butts off. I don't know if you can point to any game where the kids didn't go all out. If a team can do this in a year where there was only 6 wins, I'd say they should be able to really issue some paybacks once the talent level gets back to where it needs to be – assuming of course the new guys will play this hard too.

  • IOUIU

    It's not unexpected, but still weird to be at this point of the season and knowing that no matter what they do in the B10 tourney, their season is finished very, very soon. No wondering about what seed or region we may be in. All of that stuff is for other schools to think about. It's just an odd feeling.

    But in the end, my wish for this season came true. We played our butts off. I don't know if you can point to any game where the kids didn't go all out. If a team can do this in a year where there was only 6 wins, I'd say they should be able to really issue some paybacks once the talent level gets back to where it needs to be – assuming of course the new guys will play this hard too.

  • BeerTruck

    VJ sure looks like a young Vern Fleming…but w/ better range.
    All the frosh just need to be stronger with the ball next year — when Pritch got stuffed by that 150lb dude from N-Western a couple weeks ago that just typified the issue.
    Williams played pretty well the last few games, and he's holding his own on the defensive end against guys a lot bigger than him. I'm sure he'll be looking forward to playing the 2/3 next yr instead of the 3/4 this year.
    Story lets to get in the lane and draw fouls — so does VJ. It's great to see those guys go in there wanting contact. Granted, they give the ball away a lot, but they're ready to mix it up.
    The freshman are playing B10 basketball.
    PSU will beat us (we'll fight, but we won't have enough gas left in the tank to beat 'em). They'll then beat the Boilers and Illinois. They're going to the B10 tourney finals and the BigDance.

  • BeerTruck

    VJ sure looks like a young Vern Fleming…but w/ better range.
    All the frosh just need to be stronger with the ball next year — when Pritch got stuffed by that 150lb dude from N-Western a couple weeks ago that just typified the issue.
    Williams played pretty well the last few games, and he's holding his own on the defensive end against guys a lot bigger than him. I'm sure he'll be looking forward to playing the 2/3 next yr instead of the 3/4 this year.
    Story likes to get in the lane and draw fouls — so does VJ. It's great to see those guys go in there wanting contact. Granted, they give the ball away a lot, but they're ready to mix it up.
    The freshman are playing B10 basketball.
    PSU will beat us (we'll fight, but we won't have enough gas left in the tank to beat 'em). They'll then beat the Boilers and Illinois. They're going to the B10 tourney finals and the BigDance.

  • BFowler

    BeerTruck, I agree with the Vern Flemming comparison (see my post a few weeks back).

    I think that Wisconsin always gives us trouble, they are just really well schooled and it was senior day. Krabbenhoft would be 1st team all B10 if he played us every game.

    I think all the pressure will be on PSU, but I don't think they feel comfortably in the Myles Brand tourney, so we may get a heroic effort from them. After all, all we have to play for is 2009-10.

    That being said, I have enjoyed watching this team, and the B10 is going to be scary for a while the way these coaches are recruiting. I only hope we can continue to root for a team that plays its heart out every single game like this one did (see Santa guarding Marcus Landry toward the end of the game, classic).

  • BFowler

    BeerTruck, I agree with the Vern Flemming comparison (see my post a few weeks back).

    I think that Wisconsin always gives us trouble, they are just really well schooled and it was senior day. Krabbenhoft would be 1st team all B10 if he played us every game.

    I think all the pressure will be on PSU, but I don't think they feel comfortably in the Myles Brand tourney, so we may get a heroic effort from them. After all, all we have to play for is 2009-10.

    That being said, I have enjoyed watching this team, and the B10 is going to be scary for a while the way these coaches are recruiting. I only hope we can continue to root for a team that plays its heart out every single game like this one did (see Santa guarding Marcus Landry toward the end of the game, classic).

  • JerryCT

    I tried to project next year's minutes based on position , team needs etc and got the following ranking in order with Pritchard, Rivers, Watford, Jones, Capo, Williams as the top 6. I sense VJ will give up some PG time to Hulls but take over alot of Dumes minutes and maybe WIlliams/Story minutes.

    With the new players, depth, more experience, fewer TO's etc I am hoping for 68ppg on offense( +8 from this year ) and a 2 to 4pt improvement on defense. If I apply this to the current year we win about 18 games.

    Roth, Bawa and Creek will have their hands full getting more than situational minutes.

    PACINO and others I am sure will think I am crazy but I believe we are going to be that good next year . This is the attitude and expectations with which I end this season. I am proud of this team.

  • JerryCT

    I tried to project next year's minutes based on position , team needs etc and got the following ranking in order with Pritchard, Rivers, Watford, Jones, Capo, Williams as the top 6. I sense VJ will give up some PG time to Hulls but take over alot of Dumes minutes and maybe WIlliams/Story minutes.

    With the new players, depth, more experience, fewer TO's etc I am hoping for 68ppg on offense( +8 from this year ) and a 2 to 4pt improvement on defense. If I apply this to the current year we win about 18 games.

    Roth, Bawa and Creek will have their hands full getting more than situational minutes.

    PACINO and others I am sure will think I am crazy but I believe we are going to be that good next year . This is the attitude and expectations with which I end this season. I am proud of this team.

  • JerryCT

    Hmmmmmmmmmmm ……….thought you were the Roth , Moore guy !…………kidding…….sort of

  • JerryCT

    Hmmmmmmmmmmm ……….thought you were the Roth , Moore guy !…………kidding…….sort of

  • Kelin Blab

    Plenty of bandwagons to go around….Moore baseline drives then turnovers hurt my membership with him….

  • Kelin Blab

    Plenty of bandwagons to go around….Moore baseline drives then turnovers hurt my membership with him….

  • JerryCT

    I admit to agreeing with you on Moore early in the season but his difficulty in resisting trapping himself along the baseline showed how bad HS habits are tough to break in college. Worries me for next year's crop.

  • JerryCT

    I admit to agreeing with you on Moore early in the season but his difficulty in resisting trapping himself along the baseline showed how bad HS habits are tough to break in college. Worries me for next year's crop.

  • Kelin Blab

    Jerry I see Mo' Creek getting some quality minutes given he comes in with the ability to score and get his own shot. I have heard he is one of our more ready recruits…..

    I appreciate your optimism…I do know we will win more games next year and win some of those close one's we lost last year…..

    I am interesting in seeing…who gets red shirted, who ha their scholly taken, and how those minutes get dispersed…

  • Kelin Blab

    Jerry I see Mo' Creek getting some quality minutes given he comes in with the ability to score and get his own shot. I have heard he is one of our more ready recruits…..

    I appreciate your optimism…I do know we will win more games next year and win some of those close one's we lost last year…..

    I am interesting in seeing…who gets red shirted, who ha their scholly taken, and how those minutes get dispersed…

  • Hardwood83

    I am interested in Redshirts & where that other scholarship is coming from too. I would guess Jobe is the most likely candidate to donate his-right? And certainly 1 or 2 guards will R/S next season- Roth seems like a good candidate to me. Thoughts?

  • Hardwood83

    I am interested in Redshirts & where that other scholarship is coming from too. I would guess Jobe is the most likely candidate to donate his-right? And certainly 1 or 2 guards will R/S next season- Roth seems like a good candidate to me. Thoughts?

  • BFowler

    One more thing, it is a good thing we got beat in Wisconsin last night, in my opinion. If we won this game, Wisconsin drops to 6. This way we get Penn State in the first round. Much better match-up (clearly the way Wiconsin handled us both times). Hopefully, we can get plenty of fans in there Thursday night to help spur the kids on!

  • BFowler

    One more thing, it is a good thing we got beat in Wisconsin last night, in my opinion. If we won this game, Wisconsin drops to 6. This way we get Penn State in the first round. Much better match-up (clearly the way Wiconsin handled us both times). Hopefully, we can get plenty of fans in there Thursday night to help spur the kids on!

  • JerryCT

    Creek looks skinny to me and I donot know his defense ability but it will be really difficult for him to displace VJ/Dumes and Williams/Story just like it will be for Roth. I am hoping Roth has the capacity to work is ass off and maybe 'elbow” Dumes out of some minutes.

    I like the idea of Jobe getting done with his career sooner rather than later . I see no value in red shirting him. He is just basically not agile enough for the game but you have to love the enthusiasm

  • JerryCT

    Creek looks skinny to me and I donot know his defense ability but it will be really difficult for him to displace VJ/Dumes and Williams/Story just like it will be for Roth. I am hoping Roth has the capacity to work is ass off and maybe 'elbow” Dumes out of some minutes.

    I like the idea of Jobe getting done with his career sooner rather than later . I see no value in red shirting him. He is just basically not agile enough for the game but you have to love the enthusiasm

  • cookcmc

    where is everone's thoughts on Bawa and Elston?

  • cookcmc

    where is everone's thoughts on Bawa and Elston?

  • Kelin Blab

    To be honest I rather have Tijan on the team even as a walk on next year….he is STILL a BIG BODY. It will be hard to redshirt Roth, he is our BEST shooter and with more slashers coming in ….a drive and kick to him would be deadly……

  • Kelin Blab

    To be honest I rather have Tijan on the team even as a walk on next year….he is STILL a BIG BODY. It will be hard to redshirt Roth, he is our BEST shooter and with more slashers coming in ….a drive and kick to him would be deadly……

  • MillaRed

    I know its a cruel world guys but Daniel Moore will never see a significant minute for IU again. He needs to transfer and get some real PT elswhere. Thanks for your efforts.

    When we have Moore, Finkelmeier and Taber on the court together, I want to crawl through the TV and start jacking three's.

    When Danny boy ran in and out of the lane doing his fire drill deal my wife started laughing hysterically.

    Please fast forward to September! Please!

  • MillaRed

    I know its a cruel world guys but Daniel Moore will never see a significant minute for IU again. He needs to transfer and get some real PT elswhere. Thanks for your efforts.

    When we have Moore, Finkelmeier and Taber on the court together, I want to crawl through the TV and start jacking three's.

    When Danny boy ran in and out of the lane doing his fire drill deal my wife started laughing hysterically.

    Please fast forward to September! Please!

  • Someone try sorting out this back court depth chart. I don't envy Coach Crean.

    In alphabetical order:
    Creek
    Dumes
    Hulls
    Jones
    Rivers
    Roth
    Story
    Williams

    Plus you have Finkelmeier and Moore at the walk-on spots.

  • Someone try sorting out this back court depth chart.

    In alphabetical order:
    Creek
    Dumes
    Hulls
    Jones
    Rivers
    Roth
    Story
    Williams

    Plus you have Finkelmeier and Moore at the walk-on spots.

  • Hardwood83

    I don't know anything about the incoming guys except what I read online so assuming they're as advertised and eveyone returns I would expect Rivers & Dumes to start the year in the backcourt. I also see Williams & Story more in the 3 guard/small forward role. And would think at least one, if not 2 guys, will redshirt. My pick is Roth to develop consistency & learn some 'd'. So that leaves Jones, Creek & Hulls off the bench.

  • Hardwood83

    I don't know anything about the incoming guys except what I read online so assuming they're as advertised and eveyone returns I would expect Rivers & Dumes to start the year in the backcourt. I also see Williams & Story more in the 3 guard/small forward role. And would think at least one, if not 2 guys, will redshirt. My pick is Roth to develop consistency & learn some 'd'. So that leaves Jones, Creek & Hulls off the bench.

  • memphisHoosier

    well let me start this off by saying thank you to all of the guys on this team who put in their blood and sweat all year. I am impressed with how hard everyone played till the end. however, lets be honest here we've seen the last of a lot of these guys. Tijan won't be on the team next year. Moore may only because he doesn't use up a scholorship. Anhy of those who think Jones will start next year are forgetting about who all is gonna be on this team next year. I believe Rivers starts the point with watford and Creek at the two and three. The four and five spots will rotate somewhat between Tom, Capo, Elston, and Bawa. They might go small and put another guard like Dumes in there but I don't see Many if any of these guys starting next season except maybe Dumes or Pritchard. They'll be a strong bench and I think Jones might start some depending on how much weight he can put on and how much he can cut down on turnovers but if he doesn't learn to get in front of the guy with the ball on defense he'll see a lot of pine.