Settling in for the long haul

MY COUCH – The Puerto Rico Tip-Off delivered just as promised.

But instead of a jump ball, the preseason tournament’s tip-off was more of the inside information variety.

The message was clear, whether you watched the games or the live blog. Despite the influx of talent, IU Basketball might not live up to the hopes some optimists placed on them before the season.

A double-digit win season now seems lofty. A .500 record would likely include a pair of glass slippers and a horse-drawn carriage made out of pumpkin.

Most Hoosier fans are currently mourning this weekend’s activities – and/or coming off a binge necessitated by the Old Oaken Bucket game – but I’m here to tell you that not all was lost in the gyms of San Juan.

My glass usually sits half-empty, but I can say without hesitation that the Hoosiers are a better team right now than they were at this point last season. As someone who had a courtside seat to Tom Crean and the greenest team in Cream and Crimson history all of last year, I can tell the Hoosiers have taken a step in the right direction.

Last season’s December losses to Northeastern and Lipscomb were gut wrenching; this year’s November defeats to Boston and George Mason are closer to stomach-able.

Although, certainly not enjoyable. After handing it to Howard and edging out USC Upstate to open the season, three consecutive losses reminds us just how far the men’s basketball program still has to go on its path to reclamation.

Around this time last year, I was in Hawaii covering the Hoosiers in the Maui Invitational (read: golfing). Before the tournament, IU registered wins over Northwestern State and IUPUI to open the season. No one was calling them world-beaters, but no one was quite anticipating the 38-point shellacking Notre Dame handed them to open the tournament either.

Expectations adjusted and reality hit harder than a Tijan Jobe screen. IU followed the loss with a 26-point defeat to Saint Josephs the next day before outlasting the Chaminade Silverswords in the seventh-place game.

This year, a tropical tournament seems to have weathered IU fans’ hopes once again. A banked 3-pointer and three straight losses will do that to you.

The difference this year is the Hoosiers have showed flashes of promise and talent that just weren’t there last season. Despite their struggles, IU has been competitive in every game this season. Even better, the IU men’s basketball team lost games it should have won this past weekend – when was the last time you could say that?

Crean might not be playing walk-ons and outfielders anymore, but he is still reliant on true freshmen adapting to the college level. In spurts, this year’s team has already displayed the type of offensive ability and defensive prowess that was missing from last year’s 6-25 team.

A difficult upcoming schedule could leave their record indicating otherwise, but the Hoosiers are getting better. They might not pull off the number of upsets some were hoping, but this year’s team will have its moments.

Hoosier fans should settle in for the long haul and be patient with this year’s bunch. There is a reason IU signed Crean to a 10-year contract. This year’s team would handily beat last year’s – it’s just hard to tell quite yet whom else they could beat.

What are your feelings post-Puerto Rico? Did you foresee these early struggles or were you caught off guard?

More to come next week.

  • oubache

    I have watched every game so far. There have been some flashes of good offensive play and flashes of active hands on defense. We have not learned to rebound or play defense as a team yet. That only comes with time. From the sounds of it we may not have Roth much if any this season which would really help open things up. Our only choice this year is for this team to shorten the rotation and become a really good half court team. We need to learn to move without the ball and not just hang out and wait for something to happen. Our only good outside shooters we have (Creek, Hulls, Jones III, Dumas) are all set shooters which means……motion offense & half court sets. That is our only hope to make it to .500 and compete in the Big ten.

  • dabig

    I've only watched two games on the tube. Rivers is close to being a very good point guard. He has to realize he can't do everything (ie, don't drive unless the lane is there). Jones, Creek and Watford all have a lot of potential. I don't think Pritchard should start. Dumes needs to stay on the bench. IU needs a half court offense and more strength in the middle.

  • http://www.prinsportsblog.com BGleas

    Finally something we agree on SteveAlford, not that I'm happy we agree on a probably IU loss. I will be shocked if IU beats Maryland. A lot of fans have felt like we should beat them, but they're a tournament team with mostly everyone returning, including Vasquez, their best player.

    I'm not trying to be negative, but beating Maryland would be a huge upset IMO.

  • BFowler

    I like your column, Matt. It is a very good way to put the current situation of our beloved Hoosiers. I think this team is a very good foundation for the future. There are some very GOOD players on this team. I like these kids as none of them seem too cocky or think they are above the team. I will forever root for my team. However, I think what separates this team from the others in the field is explosiveness (I've already ranted about this, so I'll leave it there).

    I was trying to think about the things that separate the GOOD from the GREAT. There are several ways to be a great team. I tried to think about the teams I thought were very good to great Indiana teams in the past and the thing that stood out the most was defense. The 2002 Hoosiers had the “erasers” in the frontcourt of Newton, Jeffries, and Leach and an outside stopper in Fife. The 1992-93 team had Reynolds and Meeks out front and Graham, Cheaney, and Henderson defending the wings and post. The 1987 mostly won with offense, but Smart, Calloway, and Garrett were very athletic players and Thomas was a very good rebounder for his size. In 1981, Thomas, Tolbert, and Turner were a fantastic defensive trio. The 1976 team, it goes without saying.

    The point is, this team does not defend well, yet. I think though, there is some huge potential, because Creek has the physical tools, Watford is extremely long, Rivers has the ability to be an outstanding defender, Bawa has shot blocking potential, and Dumes is very quick and athletic. They need to learn to play together, keep their heads up, and COMMUNICATE. I think the turnovers will reduce and become less of an obstacle as time goes on, I think the half court offense will come along, and I think as they get their feet under them, they will improve and pull some upsets. I do not think it will come against Kentucky, Pitt, or Maryland, but possibly a late season match-up against Wisconsin or Illinois.

    The other thing that separates those teams is that they had a truly GREAT player. 1976 had Scott May and Kent Benson, 1981 had Isiah Thomas and Randy Whittman, 1987 had Steve Alford, 1992-93 had Calbert Cheaney and Alan Henderson, and 2002 had Jared Jeffries. Could one of these players become an Indiana legend? I think a few have that potential, and with the early exits that usually accompany a highly touted recruit, staying a while will vault one of these players into that realm.

    Again, I really like this team, but this will not be the year to return to prominence. I thought they should have won one of these games, so I was naturally disappointed, but I still like this team and I will keep rooting for them as long as they represent themselves, the school, and the fans who root for them as well as is expected.

  • aceman07

    I agree and disagree with many of you:

    1) First, VJ3 has looked very good to me so far this year. He's sitting at almost a 2:1 assist to turnover ratio which is a testament to taking him out of the ball control role and into the two guard role and he leads the team in steals. He looks to be the most aggressive scoring option on the floor at all times. CW and MC are obviously more athletic and explosive but fall asleep sometimes or just fall prey to freshman apprehension because they sometimes look lost on the floor while VJ3 always looks to score the ball or put it into a position to be scored which is the name of the game!

    2) I don't know what has happened to TP? I thought he would surprise people this year because I still think he has just enough athletic ability to be a solid 10-8 guy and he just seems hesitant. Maybe it's the pressure of having BC and DE pushing him or maybe he just doesn't have the mental toughness quite yet to be a leader as a sophomore. Let's do remember he's only a sophomore.

    3) JR is fast, but he isn't as fast as some of the guards he'll face this year so he'll have to learn to give his teammates time to play with him or he'll continue to turn the ball over as many times as he dishes it out for the assist.

    4) Mo Creek and Watford are going to be studs and someone said on here that this recruiting class is “nothing but fool's gold” so obviously that person is stuck waiting on that elusive Alan Henderson, Todd Leary, Todd Lindeman recruiting class of the glory days of RMK. My point is that year we pulled in two “big” men and a prototypical home grown Indiana boy and turned out to have a second string 7 footer, and part time shooting specialist (although I loved him), and a superstar. This year the top three recruits seem to be CW, MC, and Elston. All three look capable of being the latter and I've been extremely impressed with Elston's athleticism and polished around the basket moves so it could turn out to be the best “fool's gold” recruiting class of all time!

    5) I don't see why Tijan Jobe ever touches the floor. Sure, he gives them the size but go ahead and play Bawa so he can get the experience and extra practice time during those rest breaks for the other big guys and can anyone explain to me why DD ever gets to touch the ball. I think if we're going to use him, use him for what he's good at, a defensive stopper. Past that I think he's turning the ball over about 50% of his touches and forces bad shots on the other 50%! But, he is a good on the ball and off the ball defender!!!

    So, in summary of this enormously long post (which is unusual but I don't post often so this is bottled up), after watching all five games this year, I see massive improvements and tremendous potential but we should all realize that even great programs who have the problems we've had the past few seasons don't recover in one year. Look at the years of struggles that fellow Big Ten NCAA Title Holder Michigan had before they started to make something of themselves again. Granted, that program doesn't inspire the same goose bump feelings of a program like Duke, UK, UNC, UCLA, or IU but they are a relatively good comparison over the past 20 years of a Big Ten team who had glory years, then suffered from bad decisions and scandals and then recovered to become respectable again (a couple times). I think everyone's going to be really happy with this team, in March of NEXT YEAR!!! But as this season goes, this team will still surprise, disappoint, and inspire us at times.

  • West Coast Hoosier

    I can tell you one thing. These guys should be shooting a ton of free throws every day.

    Free throws are going to cost them time and again until they get that down.

    They could have won at least two of those games in Puerto Rico, despite all of the other issues, if they only hit a higher percentage of their free throws.

    In addition to a lot of practice, how about a hypnotherapist?

  • bluegrassHoosier

    Interesting insight, Jerry.

    I never really viewed some of Pritch's struggles from that point-of-view.
    He clearly does have a role to play on this team. But as we stand today, he's not able to settle into that role.

    Perhaps I was too busy screaming at him from my couch to look that closely. :)

  • JerryCT

    Steve:

    likewise it was a pleasure meeting you and your wife. Come out to MSG for Pitt. If you are going to MD game let me know I am there with MD fans I am bringing to see some real fans

  • Jrob38

    Wasn't strong inside until they played us!!

  • http://insidethehall.com Ben_M

    Everybody needs to just chill out. We took a groung of kids that played to D1 games and sent them out of the country to play some pretty decent teams. Look if we would of shot better from the line we would of come out of there with 2 or 3 wins….but we didn't. This team has potential. It will take a while. We need to support this team and coach Tom Crean through thick and thin. We will get better. We will be back. We are IU remember.

  • Andrew

    Brendan Plavich…AJ Graves…Brian Butch…the shot yesterday…that's one 70-footer and 3 lucky bank shots–if you're scoring at home–versus our ONE, which by the way did not beat Illinois, it only sent it into overtime. Our good “karma” from the EJ shot lasted all of 6 days until Butch hit his. I'd like to know of another program who's had 4 shots like that go against them in the last 5 seasons, so don't act like we were due for something like that to happen yesterday.

  • Kelin Blab

    Looking at Maryland v Chaminade….IU matches up with them pretty well. Rivers v Vasguez will be interesting. THey are not an over powering team like Ole Miss, very athletic but I like th matchups….and still going with a confident IU win.

  • dabig

    I've only watched two games on the tube. Rivers is close to being a very good point guard. He has to realize he can't do everything (ie, don't drive unless the lane is there). Jones, Creek and Watford all have a lot of potential. I don't think Pritchard should start. Dumes needs to stay on the bench. IU needs a half court offense and more strength in the middle.

  • aceman07

    I agree and disagree with many of you:

    1) First, VJ3 has looked very good to me so far this year. He's sitting at almost a 2:1 assist to turnover ratio which is a testament to taking him out of the ball control role and into the two guard role and he leads the team in steals. He looks to be the most aggressive scoring option on the floor at all times. CW and MC are obviously more athletic and explosive but fall asleep sometimes or just fall prey to freshman apprehension because they sometimes look lost on the floor while VJ3 always looks to score the ball or put it into a position to be scored which is the name of the game!

    2) I don't know what has happened to TP? I thought he would surprise people this year because I still think he has just enough athletic ability to be a solid 10-8 guy and he just seems hesitant. Maybe it's the pressure of having BC and DE pushing him or maybe he just doesn't have the mental toughness quite yet to be a leader as a sophomore. Let's do remember he's only a sophomore.

    3) JR is fast, but he isn't as fast as some of the guards he'll face this year so he'll have to learn to give his teammates time to play with him or he'll continue to turn the ball over as many times as he dishes it out for the assist.

    4) Mo Creek and Watford are going to be studs and someone said on here that this recruiting class is “nothing but fool's gold” so obviously that person is stuck waiting on that elusive Alan Henderson, Todd Leary, Todd Lindeman recruiting class of the glory days of RMK. My point is that year we pulled in two “big” men and a prototypical home grown Indiana boy and turned out to have a second string 7 footer, and part time shooting specialist (although I loved him), and a superstar. This year the top three recruits seem to be CW, MC, and Elston. All three look capable of being the latter and I've been extremely impressed with Elston's athleticism and polished around the basket moves so it could turn out to be the best “fool's gold” recruiting class of all time!

    5) I don't see why Tijan Jobe ever touches the floor. Sure, he gives them the size but go ahead and play Bawa so he can get the experience and extra practice time during those rest breaks for the other big guys and can anyone explain to me why DD ever gets to touch the ball. I think if we're going to use him, use him for what he's good at, a defensive stopper. Past that I think he's turning the ball over about 50% of his touches and forces bad shots on the other 50%! But, he is a good on the ball and off the ball defender!!!

    So, in summary of this enormously long post (which is unusual but I don't post often so this is bottled up), after watching all five games this year, I see massive improvements and tremendous potential but we should all realize that even great programs who have the problems we've had the past few seasons don't recover in one year. Look at the years of struggles that fellow Big Ten NCAA Title Holder Michigan had before they started to make something of themselves again. Granted, that program doesn't inspire the same goose bump feelings of a program like Duke, UK, UNC, UCLA, or IU but they are a relatively good comparison over the past 20 years of a Big Ten team who had glory years, then suffered from bad decisions and scandals and then recovered to become respectable again (a couple times). I think everyone's going to be really happy with this team, in March of NEXT YEAR!!! But as this season goes, this team will still surprise, disappoint, and inspire us at times.

  • West Coast Hoosier

    I can tell you one thing. These guys should be shooting a ton of free throws every day.

    Free throws are going to cost them time and again until they get that down.

    They could have won at least two of those games in Puerto Rico, despite all of the other issues, if they only hit a higher percentage of their free throws.

    In addition to a lot of practice, how about a hypnotherapist?

  • bluegrassHoosier

    Interesting insight, Jerry.

    I never really viewed some of Pritch's struggles from that point-of-view.
    He clearly does have a role to play on this team. But as we stand today, he's not able to settle into that role.

    Perhaps I was too busy screaming at him from my couch to look that closely. :)

  • Sammy

    I do not think that abandoning the fast pace style is a good idea. yes it hasnt worked too well now but Coach Crean is thinking about the future. With these current players and incoming athletes, we will eventually (2-3 years) be able to run a fast paced offense very well. What is the big ten known for? slow half court offenses and grinding defenses. If Coach Crean is successful in installing this offense and can develop the talent we have and will be getting. Tom Crean's Indiana will be a mismatch for every slow, tough, unathletic big ten team!

  • Sammy

    I do not think that abandoning the fast pace style is a good idea. yes it hasnt worked too well now but Coach Crean is thinking about the future. With these current players and incoming athletes, we will eventually (2-3 years) be able to run a fast paced offense very well. What is the big ten known for? slow half court offenses and grinding defenses. If Coach Crean is successful in installing this offense and can develop the talent we have and will be getting. Tom Crean's Indiana will be a mismatch for every slow, tough, unathletic big ten team!

  • Kelin Blab

    Looking at Maryland v Chaminade….IU matches up with them pretty well. Rivers v Vasguez will be interesting. THey are not an over powering team like Ole Miss, very athletic but I like th matchups….and still going with a confident IU win.

  • Sammy

    I do not think that abandoning the fast pace style is a good idea. yes it hasnt worked too well now but Coach Crean is thinking about the future. With these current players and incoming athletes, we will eventually (2-3 years) be able to run a fast paced offense very well. What is the big ten known for? slow half court offenses and grinding defenses. If Coach Crean is successful in installing this offense and can develop the talent we have and will be getting. Tom Crean's Indiana will be a mismatch for every slow, tough, unathletic big ten team!

  • Sammy

    I do not think that abandoning the fast pace style is a good idea. yes it hasnt worked too well now but Coach Crean is thinking about the future. With these current players and incoming athletes, we will eventually (2-3 years) be able to run a fast paced offense very well. What is the big ten known for? slow half court offenses and grinding defenses. If Coach Crean is successful in installing this offense and can develop the talent we have and will be getting. Tom Crean's Indiana will be a mismatch for every slow, tough, unathletic big ten team!

  • Kelin Blab

    Sammy I agree, this offense fits this team and with the type of players coming in for the next two classes, going to a slower pace style would be a distaster. J.Rivers left G'Town because of the offense. I like some motion type things, but I also like a concept type of offense as well. I heard Crean say last night they may open it up even more and do more pressing etc.

  • JerryCT

    “up tempo” ………..what does that really mean ? Nothing wrong with a break or quick shot when its there but when its not there it makes no sense. Knight whipped teams like this regularly. Everybody today gets back on D.

    The break starts with defense and rebounding which we donot have. We need 1) a press to create the necessary D and/or 2) 1/2 court sets that get open shots not the contested ones we now take

  • CreamandCrimson

    I understand what you are saying, “Get a talented big man and the rest will follow.” Problem is, college basketball is no longer a big man's game. If you are going to win, you have to have good guard play. There simply are not very many “true big men, with talent” out there. I think it would really help if Zeller or Plumlee commit to the Hoosiers but that won't change the way Tom Crean wants his teams to play.
    If you are looking for a team to run their offense through a big man in the post, look elsewhere. Tom Crean's teams are always going to be guard oriented.

  • CreamandCrimson

    Completely agree. The system doesn't need to be changed. People need to realize that Tom Crean doesn't have the full complement of weapons he wants yet, one recruiting class isn't going to fix all of our personnel issues.
    I think Coach Crean is ready to shorten his bench a little bit and set some rotations. Right now, can anyone honestly say that Devan Dumes and Tom Pritchard have “earned” their spots. It will be interesting who plays and how much they play on Saturday. This “restoration project” includes a new offense and it takes time and personnel to get it right. When it's working, it will be a big problem for the Big Ten.

  • http://www.insidethehall.com Alex

    That may be true, but at the same time, you still need a strong rebounder who can also block shots from time to time. The problem right now is that this team doesn't have that. It's not anybody's fault, it's just reality.

    Both Capobianco and Bawa have the potential to develop, but I believe Crean was at least hoping to get solid rebounding contributions out of Pritchard. He hasn't to this point. Right now Elston and Watford are the best rebounders IU has and they are both freshmen.

  • http://twitter.com/IUgrad07 Deon Mitchell

    In order to play Division 1 bball you should be able to play defense and make LAYUPS.. I blame CTC for the lack of direction of the team. No true set plays for the young guys confidence. The only confidence this group is getting is game time experience. If you wanna play fast expect turnovers if you are playing young inexperience ball handlers then expect turnovers .

    I just feel like speaking my mind…

    Selby is using IU fanbase for his TWitteR account the guy is headed to Syracuse (a baltimore guy top point guard ummm) Carmelo ( Baltimore) Johnny Flynn (top drafted point guard) If he doesnt commit to Syracuse get at me I will pay YOU money.

    Umm the black and gold boys recruited strictly Indiana boys and its paying off big time on the exposure level. IU is cursed until they recognized the General in the correct fashion.. CURSEDDD

    My favorite floor leaders all have come from the STATE Of INDIANA – Tom Coverdale, Alford, and Armon Bassett.

    IU big man are too nice. The kind of guys that will pick up the other player after they foul them. lol man I seen better talent at the HPER. I'm done

  • CreamandCrimson

    You are absolutely right. You need at least two or three guys capable of being a defensive presence in the paint and you need big men that can control the glass.

    My point is that Tom Crean isn't going to have a big man be the focal point of his offense. I think CO's point was that this recruiting class was “fool's gold” because it lacked a talented center. I don't agree and I believe that, on average, there are only 5-10 difference making centers that come out of high school every year. You're right though, the rebounding from the interior guys has to be better.

  • Kelin Blab

    Deon not sure about some of your points but hopefully this will help….

    Selby using the IU fanbase for his twitter account….the kid came to visit, his family enjoyed the visit etc. As far as I know twitter isn't a Selby sponsor so what is his motivation?

    The black and gold boys recruiting has paid off to what? still NO championships and Indiana's Mr. Basketball continues to ignore them….since 1991. Love Painter but he is in a battle recruiting within this state and he knows it….

    YOu can't expect 5 games in Tom Coverdale or Steve Alford…..in fact as a frosh Coverdale didn't even play….post again the junior and senior year of Hulls and Elston

    IU big men are too nice….not true, I saw Derek Elston after a game grab a squirrel out of a tree, bite its head off, and throw the carcus at an old lady. He did his own tatoo with a steak knife and sharpee. To say these guys are too nice has nothing to do with their basketball skills, do you want Bud Mackey to play the post for us?

  • Kelin Blab

    Sammy I agree, this offense fits this team and with the type of players coming in for the next two classes, going to a slower pace style would be a distaster. J.Rivers left G'Town because of the offense. I like some motion type things, but I also like a concept type of offense as well. I heard Crean say last night they may open it up even more and do more pressing etc.

  • JerryCT

    “up tempo” ………..what does that really mean ? Nothing wrong with a break or quick shot when its there but when its not there it makes no sense. Knight whipped teams like this regularly. Everybody today gets back on D.

    The break starts with defense and rebounding which we donot have. We need 1) a press to create the necessary D and/or 2) 1/2 court sets that get open shots not the contested ones we now take

  • CreamandCrimson

    I understand what you are saying, “Get a talented big man and the rest will follow.” Problem is, college basketball is no longer a big man's game. If you are going to win, you have to have good guard play. There simply are not very many “true big men, with talent” out there. I think it would really help if Zeller or Plumlee commit to the Hoosiers but that won't change the way Tom Crean wants his teams to play.
    If you are looking for a team to run their offense through a big man in the post, look elsewhere. Tom Crean's teams are always going to be guard oriented.

  • CreamandCrimson

    Completely agree. The system doesn't need to be changed. People need to realize that Tom Crean doesn't have the full complement of weapons he wants yet, one recruiting class isn't going to fix all of our personnel issues.
    I think Coach Crean is ready to shorten his bench a little bit and set some rotations. Right now, can anyone honestly say that Devan Dumes and Tom Pritchard have “earned” their spots. It will be interesting who plays and how much they play on Saturday. This “restoration project” includes a new offense and it takes time and personnel to get it right. When it's working, it will be a big problem for the Big Ten.

  • http://www.insidethehall.com Alex

    That may be true, but at the same time, you still need a strong rebounder who can also block shots from time to time. The problem right now is that this team doesn't have that. It's not anybody's fault, it's just reality.

    Both Capobianco and Bawa have the potential to develop, but I believe Crean was at least hoping to get solid rebounding contributions out of Pritchard. He hasn't to this point. Right now Elston and Watford are the best rebounders IU has and they are both freshmen.

  • Deon is crazy

    WOW deon. go back to west lafayette! and celebrate getting to the elite 8!! congrats on having a team thats not going anywhere.

  • http://twitter.com/IUgrad07 Deon Mitchell

    In order to play Division 1 bball you should be able to play defense and make LAYUPS.. I blame CTC for the lack of direction of the team. No true set plays for the young guys confidence. The only confidence this group is getting is game time experience. If you wanna play fast expect turnovers if you are playing young inexperience ball handlers then expect turnovers .

    I just feel like speaking my mind…

    Selby is using IU fanbase for his TWitteR account the guy is headed to Syracuse (a baltimore guy top point guard ummm) Carmelo ( Baltimore) Johnny Flynn (top drafted point guard) If he doesnt commit to Syracuse get at me I will pay YOU money.

    Umm the black and gold boys recruited strictly Indiana boys and its paying off big time on the exposure level. IU is cursed until they recognized the General in the correct fashion.. CURSEDDD

    My favorite floor leaders all have come from the STATE Of INDIANA – Tom Coverdale, Alford, and Armon Bassett.

    IU big man are too nice. The kind of guys that will pick up the other player after they foul them. lol man I seen better talent at the HPER. I'm done

  • CreamandCrimson

    You are absolutely right. You need at least two or three guys capable of being a defensive presence in the paint and you need big men that can control the glass.

    My point is that Tom Crean isn't going to have a big man be the focal point of his offense. I think CO's point was that this recruiting class was “fool's gold” because it lacked a talented center. I don't agree and I believe that, on average, there are only 5-10 difference making centers that come out of high school every year. You're right though, the rebounding from the interior guys has to be better.

  • Kelin Blab

    Deon not sure about some of your points but hopefully this will help….

    Selby using the IU fanbase for his twitter account….the kid came to visit, his family enjoyed the visit etc. As far as I know twitter isn't a Selby sponsor so what is his motivation?

    The black and gold boys recruiting has paid off to what? still NO championships and Indiana's Mr. Basketball continues to ignore them….since 1991. Love Painter but he is in a battle recruiting within this state and he knows it….

    YOu can't expect 5 games in Tom Coverdale or Steve Alford…..in fact as a frosh Coverdale didn't even play….post again the junior and senior year of Hulls and Elston

    IU big men are too nice….not true, I saw Derek Elston after a game grab a squirrel out of a tree, bite its head off, and throw the carcus at an old lady. He did his own tatoo with a steak knife and sharpee. To say these guys are too nice has nothing to do with their basketball skills, do you want Bud Mackey to play the post for us?

  • Deon is crazy

    WOW deon. go back to west lafayette! and celebrate getting to the elite 8!! congrats on having a team thats not going anywhere.

  • paynee

    crean please scrap the three guard off its not work please

  • paynee

    crean please scrap the three guard off its not work please

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