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		<title>The Morning After: Illinois open thread</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Eamonn Brennan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[After the massive disappointment last week against Michigan, I didn&#8217;t expect much out of Saturday&#8217;s game at Illinois &#8212; that&#8217;s a tough place to play, and Illinois has sneakily been really good this year. Their tempo-free numbers belie a team better than their win-loss record, and their win-loss record is good. Let&#8217;s just say I [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After the massive disappointment last week against Michigan, I didn&#8217;t expect much out of Saturday&#8217;s game at Illinois &#8212; that&#8217;s a tough place to play, and Illinois has sneakily been really good this year. Their tempo-free numbers belie a team better than their win-loss record, and their win-loss record is good. Let&#8217;s just say I didn&#8217;t have my hopes up. And still, somehow, the game was a gigantic letdown.</p>
<p>As R, Alex, and my friends yesterday could attest, I racked my brain for a while thinking of things to say about this game, and I really don&#8217;t have much. Some blowouts you can analyze; some are deceptive. There was nothing deceptive happening Saturday. Illinois was just so much better in every facet of basketball it was simultaneously boring and engaging. That doesn&#8217;t happen often.</p>
<p>In any case, this is your Monday open thread. Discuss whatever you&#8217;d like, whether it&#8217;s Saturday&#8217;s game, or when you predict IU will win its first Big Ten contest, or whatever. It&#8217;s all you.</p>
<p>I have one thought to hopefully get the discussion going. Not only was IU bad on Saturday &#8212; just skillwise, in matchups, that sort of thing &#8212; but it was the first time this year that it seemed like they weren&#8217;t even trying. Transition defense was unusually slow; Illinois was able to get into their secondary break, make one pass, and have a wide open jumper waiting for them before IU even matched up man-to-man or picked up the nearest player. I understand being drained after the Michigan game. That&#8217;s fine. But the one positive constant about the Hoosiers this year has been their energy and commitment to their coach, and Saturday was the first time I didn&#8217;t see it.</p>
<p>Also, one more: Did Illinois fans even enjoy that? Wasn&#8217;t that sort of like working out all summer, getting big, hoping to fight the bully that terrorized you last year only to see the bully come back to school in a wheelchair? I mean, you can punch the kid in the face if you want &#8230; but it&#8217;s not going to be nearly as satisfying.</p>
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		<title>Bruce Weber: &#8216;Indiana Will Suck&#8217;</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Eamonn Brennan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bruce Weber gave an oh-so-hilarious speech to a bunch of Illinois fans yesterday, and he closed with this gem:
- Weber, on the Big Ten race: &#8220;The league should be wide open and we can be right in the middle of it. I do know one thing, though. I think Indiana will suck. Don&#8217;t put that [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce Weber gave an <a href="http://www.pjstar.com/sports/x875593243/Illini-coaches-are-good-humor-men" target="_blank">oh-so-hilarious speech to a bunch of Illinois fans yesterday</a>, and he closed with this gem:</p>
<blockquote><p>- Weber, on the Big Ten race: &#8220;The league should be wide open and we can be right in the middle of it. I do know one thing, though. I think Indiana will suck. Don&#8217;t put that on the Internet.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Awwww. Brucey still hasn&#8217;t gotten over losing Eric Gordon! Isn&#8217;t that cute?</p>
<p>For his own sake, Bruce&#8217;s team better not suck next year. If the Illini come anywhere close to that 16-19 record, Bruce will be stuck obsessing about Indiana on his free time. He&#8217;ll have lots of it.</p>
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		<title>The Morning After: Illinois</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 07:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Eamonn Brennan</dc:creator>
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Come again, Bruce? Something about fisting?
As my victorious, gloating post just demonstrated, I am incredibly happy to have won tonight. At some level, it&#8217;s not about winning in a quality way, or looking good while doing it; it&#8217;s just about winning games on the road when the wins are possible. Thanks to Illinois&#8217; horrendous shooting [...]]]></description>
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<em>Come again, Bruce? Something about fisting?</em></p>
<p>As my victorious, gloating post just demonstrated, I am incredibly happy to have won tonight. At some level, it&#8217;s not about winning in a quality way, or looking good while doing it; it&#8217;s just about winning games on the road when the wins are possible. Thanks to Illinois&#8217; horrendous shooting and forgiving crunch-time antics, Thursday&#8217;s was one such game.</p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t mean I&#8217;m not going to bitch a whole lot about it. Let&#8217;s be frank: IU looked just as disorganized and weak as they have in their past three games, and the fact of the win aside &#8212; it could just have easily been a loss, and probably should have been &#8212; doesn&#8217;t mean we should be satisfied with this performance or this team.</p>
<p>Still, before the complaining commences, let&#8217;s just say this: Thank God we won. And that Illinois lost. There are few pleasures so sweet.</p>
<p>And now, onward with the bitching:</p>
<p><span id="more-721"></span> &#8212; At some point, you have to start to wonder what, exactly, Kelvin Sampson has contributed to this team as a game coach. (We know what he&#8217;s contributed as a recruiter, obviously.) The Hoosiers are defensively lazy, offensively isolationist, disorganized, and clumsy. What&#8217;s worse, none of those conditions have improved over the year; if anything, they&#8217;ve gotten worse. Sampson has totally bungled A.J. Ratliff&#8217;s senior season &#8212; you&#8217;re telling me we couldn&#8217;t have used Ratliff last night? And worse, he&#8217;s done little or nothing that&#8217;s visibly improved Eric Gordon&#8217;s glaring weaknesses: turnovers, ballhandling, and the lack of a midrange game.</p>
<p>This is not how I remember Sampson&#8217;s teams performing at Oklahoma. I remember them being hard-nosed, physical teams. I remember Sampson&#8217;s maximization of junior college and four-year talent, the way he turned guys like Hollis Price into college stars by utilizing them in an intelligent system.  I remember the way his teams always seemed to get better as they matured together. At the very least, they fought hard; they mimicked Sampson&#8217;s own bulldog-esque charisma. And damnit, they defended!</p>
<p>Where did all that go? This year&#8217;s Hoosier team is probably the most talented Sampson has ever coached, but where is the physicality? Where is the intelligence? Where&#8217;s the efficiency? Where are the kinds of adjustments you expect any coach, let alone one at Indiana University, to make? <em>I feel like I&#8217;m taking <a href="http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/paramount_pictures/zoolander/will_ferrell/zoolander.jpg" target="_blank">crazy pills</a>!</em></p>
<p>The season isn&#8217;t over or anything; it&#8217;s just incredibly frustrating to have such an obvious talent disparity wasted &#8212; against Illinois, no less &#8212; thanks to a disorganized, sloppy performance.</p>
<p>&#8211; Speaking of which, Sampson seemed truly dedicated to his zone tonight, as if giving up on the notion &#8212; which would have been advisable the minute Demetri McCamey decided to have the game of his life &#8212; was some sort of surrender. Eventually Sampson lightened it up, and three&#8217;s were fewer and farther between for Illinois. It was obvious this team isn&#8217;t experienced enough to run the zone against a good passing team, but it was good experience nonetheless. Maybe another time.</p>
<p>&#8211; I truly enjoy Eric Gordon&#8217;s game, and I love when he&#8217;s on, but the past three games have exposed serious flaws in his repertoire. As mentioned above, Gordon is not a good ballhandler &#8212; hence his high turnover rate, the highest on the team. Gordon is also totally bereft of a midrange game. He either drives all the way to the hoop (where, at this point, he is usually fouled), or he takes a 25-foot three-pointer. On the occasions when he does pull up for a jump shot, he almost looks like a different player. That smooth, robotic perimeter stroke is replaced by a fading, jerky jumper. It looks bad, and it never goes in. Never.</p>
<p>Anyway, Gordon&#8217;s not going to stay, so my criticism of him isn&#8217;t some sort of double mind-meld that I hope will lend to a consensus that he should return for his sophomore season.  He won&#8217;t, and he shouldn&#8217;t. He should get that money. But pro teams beware: Gordon&#8217;s good, but he&#8217;s not a slam dunk. Not yet.</p>
<p>Still, Gordon&#8217;s game is better than just about any guard&#8217;s he plays against, even when he is defended well. Free throws &#8212; free throws are his savior. Even when he&#8217;s totally off, his free throw shooting saves him from irrelevancy. Thankfully.</p>
<p>&#8211; I feel kinda bad for Shaun Pruitt. I know I probably shouldn&#8217;t, because he plays for public enemy number Bruce, but I couldn&#8217;t find myself truly hating him like I hate, say, Chester Frazier (more on that below). Pruitt seems like a decent kid. Sucks that he lost his proverbial legs at the free throw line like that; you don&#8217;t wish that kind of embarrassment on anyone. Except Chester Frazier.</p>
<p>&#8211; Jordan Crawford is another truly flawed freshman, but for all his faults, grant Jordan this much: He is not afraid. He will chuck under any circumstances, and he&#8217;s a good enough shooter to back up his confidence. Without his two three&#8217;s in the first overtime last night, IU probably doesn&#8217;t make it to the second.</p>
<p>&#8211; Chester Frazier, I truly love you. When you decided to shove Eric Gordon in the pre-game handshake &#8212; a fair-play gesture supposedly above the frivolous hatreds people bring to sports &#8212; you officially confirmed your d-bag status for life. What&#8217;s worse, you&#8217;re not even the kind of d-bag one can take seriously, or get mad at. You&#8217;re the type of d-bag that&#8217;s just so silly and ridiculous that all one has to do about you is laugh. You&#8217;re the guy at the HPER who wants to fight everybody. Yeah, Chester. You&#8217;re <em>that</em> guy. I hope you enjoy yourself; you&#8217;ll never not be that guy for the rest of your tiny little life.</p>
<p>Too bad about the ankle, though.</p>
<p>&#8211; Chester Frazier Honorary D-Bag of the Week Award: The Illinois genius patrol that threw stuff at Eric Gordon&#8217;s family. You disgrace your entire clan, idiots. Congrats: D-bags of the week!</p>
<p>&#8211; Hey, did you guys hear Brian Randle fouled out? That <em>never</em> happens!</p>
<p>&#8211; I want to like Jay Bilas. I really do. But when he goes on and on about a player having &#8220;courage&#8221; because that player has tape on his ankle and is still, somehow, defying all the laws of physics and science as we know them and is, is <em>playing &#8230; </em>well, Jay, THAT IS NOT COURAGEOUS<em>. THAT IS CALLED PLAYING BASKETBALL. </em>Scrappy? Yes. Hard-nosed? Certainly. Courageous? No Jay. No. A thousand times no.</p>
<p>&#8211; All that aside, like I said: It&#8217;s a win. And it&#8217;s a win over Illinois. Might as well enjoy it, even if it&#8217;s impossible to shake off concern for IU&#8217;s underlying issues.</p>
<p>As always, your thoughts and further analysis in the comments.</p>
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		<title>Hope for the best; brace for the slow</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Eamonn Brennan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Despite what most people will tell you, Indiana-Illinois has always been a rivalry, at least to some extent. That whole familiarity-breeds-contempt thing? I&#8217;m pretty familiar with Illinois fans; Illinois fans were pretty familiar with Bob Knight. The rivalry here is fun, but it is not new. Add a spice of Eric Gordon, and you&#8217;ve got [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.insidethehall.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/weber123.jpg" alt="weber123.jpg" align="right" />Despite what most people will tell you, Indiana-Illinois has always been a rivalry, at least to some extent. That whole familiarity-breeds-contempt thing? I&#8217;m pretty familiar with Illinois fans; Illinois fans were pretty familiar with Bob Knight. The rivalry here is fun, but it is not new. Add a spice of Eric Gordon, and you&#8217;ve got yourself a game that will generate more hyperbole and angst than it will reason and consideration.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s to be expected, but context doesn&#8217;t make free throws, and it doesn&#8217;t run a motion offense. (Neither do the Hoosiers, but hey! I&#8217;ll be here all night!) Context is important, sure, but it&#8217;s never as important as what happens on the court. In that spirit, then, let&#8217;s figure out just why the Hoosiers have such a difficult time with the Illini &#8212; and why tonight could be no different.</p>
<p>The first problem here is the matchups. It&#8217;s not anything new, but while the Illini are a pretty bad offensive team, defensively they are almost perfectly suited to stop IU. 6&#8242;10 Shaun Pruitt is bigger than White and just as strong; he makes things difficult for D.J. even without a double team. The story is the same for Eric Gordon, who was defended admirably in the first matchup by the duo of Calvin Brock and Brian Randle. Both are athletic enough to stay close to Gordon on the perimeter without worrying about a blow-by.</p>
<p>As we&#8217;ve established recently, without Gordon and White at the peak of their game, the Hoosiers are toast. The Illini are lucky enough to match up well with IU at those two spots, matchups that level the star-power playing field on the offensive end of the floor.</p>
<p><span id="more-718"></span>Remember when IU used to trounce opponents with nothing more than brute athletic force? When Eric Gordon was invincible; when D.J. White was unstoppable; when the rest of the squad was perfectly formed to complement the team&#8217;s two stars; when a Final Four was surely imminent? It seems almost impossible to fathom now. Thanks to the last few weeks &#8212; a horrid loss at home to UConn, an ugly blowout in Wisconsin &#8212; the Hoosiers seem more realistic now, more scrutable. And we now know that they deficient in a variety of ways, not least of which is offensive organization.</p>
<p>The Hoosiers rarely run anymore. When they do, they&#8217;re still effective, but when they&#8217;re slowed down, their secondary break never really takes shape. (That was something Duke-UNC hammered home last night; those are two teams who know how to run a secondary break.) And the half-court offense, well, let&#8217;s not get started. Let&#8217;s agree to say frustrating isn&#8217;t quite strong enough a word, and move on.</p>
<p>This is made doubly worse against a team like Illinois, one that prefers a high-pressure, half-court man-to-man game. Where Tom Izzo&#8217;s varied offensive sets could work to free Gordon the way they free Neitzel, IU is instead pushed farther and farther from the hoop before anything resembling motion can get started. The man-to-man has always been susceptible to superior athleticism and/or an efficient motion offense. IU has neither.</p>
<p>Another concern for the Hoosiers is pace. IU&#8217;s attack is fairly versatile and not immune to the fast break, but the Hoosiers (68.6 possessions a game) are not immune to quick points. The Illini (63.8 possessions per game), on the other hand, seem to loathe high-tempo basketball. It would behoove the Hoosiers to get out and run on every Illini rebound and made shot to force Illinois to retreat as quickly as possible to set up in the half-court. As we&#8217;ve already said, IU&#8217;s offense vs. Illinois&#8217; defense in a half-court game is not what the Hoosiers want. Of course, IU won&#8217;t do this, because this is not Kelvin Sampson&#8217;s style. Sampson&#8217;s style has long been a slow, grinding one, and only this year has the team picked up the pace slightly (perhaps as a secession to Gordon&#8217;s ability). So his team will remain caught in their weird pseudo-fast break: Not too fast, not too slow, and never really effective.</p>
<p>What does this all mean? It means we&#8217;re likely to see another close, ugly game from IU. Which team can be more offensively impotent? Which team will miss more shots? That will be the final arbiter here, no matter what the Orange Krush &#8212; or the brave crimson-clad souls in the Spaceship &#8212; will have you believe.</p>
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