The Minute After: Fort Wayne

  • 12/18/2017 10:36 pm in

Thoughts on a 92-72 loss to Fort Wayne:

The narrative heading into this one?

Indiana had just a one-day turnaround after its emotional victory against Notre Dame. And the Hoosiers would be playing an inferior opponent. A chance for a letdown, or maybe a lack of focus and energy was certainly in the cards. Maybe even expected.

But this was Fort Wayne.

The same Fort Wayne that embarrassed then No. 3 Indiana a season ago. If the Hoosiers had any reason to come out with a little extra incentive, a locked-in mentality, this was it.

“Last year, obviously, it wasn’t a good feeling,” Robert Johnson said after the Notre Dame game. “You never really forget what it feels like to feel like that. So we’ll definitely be prepared.”

But it just didn’t happen.

Indiana was a sloppy mess from the onset of the contest and the Hoosiers never really recovered. The first half was fast-paced and Indiana had trouble finding its footing while the smaller, quicker Mastadons capitalized on the Hoosiers’ miscues time and again. Basic fundamentals alluded Indiana tonight, as entry passes and simply holding onto the dang ball proved difficult. Indiana turned it over 18 times tonight, which was almost a quarter of its possessions (24 percent). The Mastadons scored 29 of their 92 points off those miscues.

This game felt eerily similar to the Indiana State game, as another in-state team came into Simon Skjodt Assembly Hall and seemingly couldn’t miss from 3-point range to beat the Hoosiers handily. Indiana did themselves no favors by leaving Mastadons open time and again from beyond the arc. And Fort Wayne really made them pay. For the contest, Fort Wayne hit 17-of-30 (56.7 percent) from 3-point range, which ties the record Indiana State set earlier this season for most 3-point buckets made by an opponent in Assembly Hall history.

Juwan Morgan continues to be a double-double machine (14 points, 12 rebounds), but even he seemed a bit slow and out of synch tonight in this one. Rob Johnson continues to score points (17), but this was his second consecutive game with six turnovers. Indiana continues to be a middling team from the charity stripe (12-of-19, 63.2 percent) and a weak team from distance. Indiana shot just 4-of-24 from 3-point range tonight, which means they were outscored 51-12 from deep. All the turnovers and the poor shooting from beyond the arc led to just .96 points per possession for the Hoosiers for the contest.

This game certainly isn’t indicative of this Indiana as a whole. The Hoosiers are better than this. But it’s troubling they let two in-state teams waltz into Bloomington and kick their butt. And it’s especially troubling after it looked like they were heading in an upward trajectory the last several outings and when the opponent was one in which they were seeking revenge.

Indiana only has two days to right the ship before its matchup against Tennessee Tech on Thursday night. A better performance will be more than necessary to get things headed back in the right direction.

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  • IllinoisHoosier

    No outside shooting. No consistent ball control.

  • IllinoisHoosier

    Newkirk seems To still be playing Tom crean offense. Poor shots bad passes and turnovers.

  • Jay Voss

    Finally, somebody got it. We still have Crean’s flunky’s and out of state non-talent, except for the only walk on who’s from Carmel. Geez..lol. I absolutely enjoy watching Juwan Morgan but that guy was beat down, I’m assuming from Saturday?? Give Miller a chance with his “inside-out” recruiting and see if we don’t get some guard play and pure shooters coming back to Bloomington. Patience.

  • Jay Voss

    Let me add….We need leadership on the court and it sure isn’t coming from Robert Johnson. He hasn’t improved an ounce from the first day he stepped in Assembly Hall.

  • Jay Voss

    He’s too unpredictable and no better from his day #1 of being a Hoosier.

  • SCHoosier

    Agree. That #1 kid on FW’s team was the best player on the floor all night. I think Morgan was gassed..played decently but no fire.The FW coach Knew how to attack a poorly executed pack-whatever defense and boy did he. Forced the Hoosiers into a running game..used fantastic quick ball movement with passes and drives/kick outs to kick our a**.

  • srhise

    I think what happened last night was pretty simple. They had an offensive game plan that made it easy on their players as long as they cut hard and made the next pass. They totally embraced that. We assumed we could out-athlete them and failed offensively.

    Secondly, they had a player in Bryson Scott that brought leadership and confidence to his team. As long as he was in the game, they had a chance to win.

    By the way, John Konchar is an NBA prospect according to Draft Express and my employee who is die hard NBA. The scouts love him. So basically, they had better players than us as we have 0 NBA prospects. We should have been the team coming into the game with and edge, not them.

  • Neil

    I agree the defense is probably the same as under Crean but under Crean they at least scored. The problem is Archie is trying to run his system with players that are not suited to run it. As a good coach you need to identify this and change your system to fit the players until you get the players you need to run your system. So far I have not seen Archie change his system to fit the players. Square peg in round hole. I’m a fan and I can see it, why can’t Archie?

  • Neil

    Yes but as a good coach “you change your system to fit the players” Let me say that again. If you don’t have the players to run your system you “change” your system to fit what your players do best until you get your players that can run the system you want to run. This is coaching 101. Being hard headed and running your system with players who can’t run it is a deficiency in coaching. It is like playing chess you move the pieces around to give yourself the best chance to win. If you are missing some pieces you change your strategy. I don’t understand why everyone wants to blame Crean and give Archie a free pass. If you are a good coach you should never lose by 20 like they did last night. Its not just losing it is how you lose and how you coach to play to the strengths of your team. So far I have not seen it from Archie. I’m not syaing get rid of him but at some point he will have to coach to the strengths of his team and not force his system on players who cannot do it.

  • Neil

    I think he has actually regressed on his shot. As a freshman he was better than he is now IMO.

  • I hate purdon’t

    This team has a lot more talent than that team hands down. I don’t think any of Coach Crean’s teams would have taken two drummings like this at home by ISU and IPFW.

  • Jethro Jones

    you must have a higher basketball IQ than me so help me understand. I only know three options against the screen – hedge and fight through, switch, or double ball. I would think different situations/matchups calls for different response. You don’t think Archie should’ve have coached them which matchup warrants which response? they should just switch like they do in 6th grade?

  • Don Kotouc

    Agree—I would also like to see more kids from Indiana on the team; usually have high Basketball I.Q.

  • Don Kotouc

    Plus a 5:30am practice next morning….

  • Vernon Aldrich

    Say it isn’t so!! Ole Man you realize Hoosierkamp just alluded to rojo’s turnovers? Is it “trolling” to do that if we win, but not if we lose? You, my friend are irratic…

  • Jay Voss

    Bingo!! And, that is rolling over from last year and still having Crean’s players

  • Jay Voss

    Gotta improve offense and stop them turnovers first, then, just maybe we can get set on defense and stop allowing a smaller quicker team to run all over us.

  • Ole Man

    This is Crean’s talent being coached by someone else.

  • Ole Man

    You’re suffering a memory loss.
    Eastern Washington?
    ‘Cuse?
    Last year’s #3 ranked team?
    We don’t have to go back to the first two years to find embarrassments under Crean.

  • Ole Man

    This group can’t even hit layups. Under Crean they might be 2-10 now instead of 6-6.
    No way to know that is there?
    Also, the argument that it is the Coach’s task to get the players in the position to win is bogus.
    If you’d played a great deal or coached you’d know that.
    Your implication is that Archie and staff didn’t prepare this team.
    PROVE IT!
    You literally cannot post one fact supporting your claim because you weren’t there at practices or in huddles. And once the ball goes up the coaches are at the mercy of performance.

  • Ole Man

    No, you don’t “change your system to fit your players.”
    Take your Crean love to another board.
    It’s tiresome.

  • Ole Man

    That’s a silly attack on RJ.

  • Ole Man

    Totally crude, unnecessary comment.
    We don’t do that on this board.

  • Ole Man

    Lot of little boy trolls on this thread!
    Waste of time, really.

  • Neil

    Yes you do change your system to the type of talent you have. Clearly you know nothing about basketball or coaching. Do you even understand the pack line defense? I don’t think so. This is like a patient trying to tell the doctor what the illness is. You are ridiculous. And if you read my posts you would see I think Crean is not a good coach at all. I compared him to Archie to make a point.

  • Neil

    Do you watch the games?

  • Neil

    Ok. Clearly reading this post you have some type of mental condition. Prove Crean would ever go 2-10. Secondly I posted facts but I’ll say the same to you. Where are your facts? Lastly I coach today and have for 20+ years and played D1 in the MAC for Coach Leonard Drake. I contributed to Xavier’s 92 page instruction on the pack line defense. All your comments are ridiculous, over the top and pretty insulting to others and their intelligence because you know nothing.

  • Ole Man

    1. I don’t buy your bio
    2. You’re entitled to opinion but that isn’t fact
    3. Not All Coaches change their system to fit players
    4. If you were so secure in yourself you wouldn’t have to insult people and “prove” your manliness on the internet; thus it’s rather simple to conclude that you are the one with the mental problem

  • I hate purdon’t

    My memory is fine, yours maybe not so much… You are trying to tell me that ISU and IPFW are the caliber of the Orange? A man of your stature thought that I.U. would lose by 20+ at home to ISU and IPFW? If you predicted these two beatings please private message me this weeks winning powerball numbers. Btw stay off the sauce..lol

  • I hate purdon’t

    So what your saying is that the team that coach Crean was left with had more talent than this years team?!? Making a statement like that should get your forum police badge taken away… Don’t tell me you are going to try and bully me like you try to do other people in this forum. If you are you are just wasting your time. I have more important things to do. Unlike like you I don’t spend my every waking moment living in these forums. Get a life…

  • Ole Man

    Stay off what sauce? Comments like that come from trolls.
    Keep them to a minimum please or you will have defined yourself even more.
    Sorry that you couldn’t follow the transition: You need not go back to bad teams to find embarrassment by Crean teams; why I used those teams as examples.
    Now, enough with the slurs “a man of your stature” and the “sauce” nonsense.
    Either talk basketball or find your sorry self blocked.
    I could care less.

  • Ole Man

    You are too funny.
    You’re proving you don’t have the chops to post on here.
    You don’t have the knowledge.
    You’re not willing to debate in a friendly fashion.
    You make assertions about my character which aren’t true.
    Since your time is so valuable (a very doubtful claim) do all of us a favor and don’t waste any more time here.

  • I hate purdon’t

    You don’t know your butt from a hole in the ground if you are saying that losing to Syracuse is the equivalent to losing to ISU and IPFW.

  • I hate purdon’t

    You cause more trouble on here than anyone. Calling someone a troll isn’t a slur? You must really be on the sauce. Your bulling isn’t going to work with me. Block me. Btw the way I think you mean “you COULDN’T care less” or at least that’s what a man of your stature should mean.

  • Ole Man

    Nah. It’s trolls like you who cause the trouble.
    Troll a slur? ROFL!
    You fit the description perfectly.
    I sometimes disagree with others about BASKETBALL, but I’m not the one constantly on here being negative like you are.
    Negative about the team. Constantly attacking others with a different opinion.
    Never posting after a victory, only after a defeat.
    I’m respected on this board.
    You’re a troll.

  • I hate purdon’t

    Respectful? You try to bully everyone on here. Keep up the name calling. I bet my dad can beat up your dad! Your respected as an idiot that doesn’t respect anyone’s opinion. Your life consist of this forum. You have an idiotic reaction to almost every post. You think your the Mayor of this board but really your a bully. All you can do is sit behind a keyboard and live in a fantasy world thinking your the Mayor of “post city “. Get a life….Mayor.

  • I hate purdon’t

    Maybe that’ll be what is put on your gravestone “well respected on an I.U. post board” lol! More like “He was the MAYOR of the post game comments forum!”. Good job MAYOR.

  • I hate purdon’t

    Your a troll Mayor old man Tony.

  • I hate purdon’t

    Mayor old man you are a troll.

  • I hate purdon’t

    Your a troll Mayor old man.

  • I hate purdon’t

    I’m sure your not starting crap with the poster are Mayor?

  • I hate purdon’t

    Mayor stop being negative you troll. Try saying something positive!

  • I hate purdon’t

    There you go again causing trouble Mayor old man. The third guest that you’ve started crap with in this one thread! Stop being a troll Mayor.

  • I hate purdon’t

    There you go again Mayor old man, causing more trouble….the 4th time in this thread alone.

  • I hate purdon’t

    Neil take it easy on the Mayor of post game threads! He will call you a troll and threaten to get you blocked!

  • I hate purdon’t

    Get him Neil!

  • I hate purdon’t

    It’s a good thing you’re well respected Mayor old man. Being well respect doesn’t come from arguing with everyone that post. Your a well respected troll Mayor old man, mighty Mayor of post game threads.