At the buzzer: Indiana 70, South Florida 53

  • 11/19/2017 8:13 pm in

Quick thoughts on a 70-53 win over South Florida:

How it happened: Things were interesting inside Simon Skjodt Assembly Hall for a half on Sunday evening. Turnovers plagued Indiana in the first 20 minutes and Payton Banks, a graduate transfer, torched the Hoosiers for 15 points. The Bulls, picked to finish last in the American Athletic Conference, led 34-33 at halftime. Indiana’s nine first half turnovers prevented the Hoosiers from getting things going offensively. But Indiana emerged from their locker room a different team after the break. The Hoosiers, led by some aggressive play early in the half by Juwan Morgan, opened a six-point lead midway through second half. From there, Indiana played one of its best stretches of basketball to date and won going away.

Standout performers: Morgan was the spark that got Indiana going in the second half. The junior forward finished with 12 points, 10 rebounds and four blocks in 27 minutes. Robert Johnson had 21 points and hit all three of his 3-point attempts. And freshman Al Durham came off the bench to finish with nine points, five rebounds, four assists and no turnovers in 31 minutes.

Statistic that stands out: After turning it over nine times in the first half, Indiana had just three turnovers in the second half.

Final IU individual stats:

Final tempo-free stats:

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  • calbert40

    Preach! Absolutely agree.

  • bball at nick’s

    The stat is what it is. It just isn’t a reliable assessment of a player’s game, especially when considered across only a few games.

  • calbert40

    I don’t think Archie wants to play like a Bennett coached team. He likes to play uptempo, but under control.

    Archie wants the D to lead to offense. Crean wanted the fast paced O to overwhelm and outscore opponents.

    Once this team stops committing costly TOs, they could be quite good…as evidenced in the 2H. Very efficient.

  • calbert40

    0.87 PPP?!?! I know they aren’t very good, but that’s still fantastic.

  • Jtime

    Finally a glimpse of the potential for our pack line defense. I thought our guards not named Newkirk played pretty good perimeter d. It was nice to see RJ finally start making some shots. Hopefully we can build on the 2nd of this game.

  • inCMitrust

    Baby steps. Did well at the charity strip, we will need that all season. Also, liked that with about 4 to go in the game USF started putting a little press on after made baskets and the team easily beat it with the the same scripted play. Last year a press would completely confuse the team.

  • bball at nick’s

    Just really proud right now. Proud of Fred Glass, proud of Archie and the coaching staff, proud of our players, also thankful that Tom Crean left us with players and recruits to be proud of.

    Also, after living in Bloomington for the last ten years I am now in South Carolina, and I’m grateful to Alex and the ITH staff for giving us a forum that keeps me close and connected to IU Basketball.

  • Tenacious Newt

    Westbound (technically the beginning: full Sam Elliot Coors voice) and down. We gonna do what they say can’t be done. Win the Big Ten Tournament, et al

  • bleeding crimson

    I read somewhere that they have been practicing 70% D and 30%O. They still don’t have down the D and very little has been taught on the Off. So that will explain why the Off is a little down played at this point. I think once he gets his D in place he will increasae practice time one Off. If I’ve been researching correctly.

  • bleeding crimson

    And it also seems we are much better with JS on the floor as well.

  • bball at nick’s

    Do you mean Aljami?

  • bleeding crimson

    I didn’t get to see that, what happen. What made him throw the towel…the Zebras and what kind of call? Because the second half of the SH game he should have received at least two.

  • bleeding crimson

    No wrong response. Al D was great and so was Justin Smith.

  • Outoftheloop

    Agree, start Al and Devonte with Rob, Juwan and DeRon. Have Justin as the first sub for either Juwan or DeRon. IU needs two of those three on the floor at all times. Have Curtis as the first guard sub, then Josh. But keep playing Clifton 10-15 minutes. He is improving.

  • bball at nick’s

    He was upset we didn’t get a loose ball rebound.

  • Outoftheloop

    Plus hit some open 3’s!

  • Outoftheloop

    It was about zero foul to Rob, but Josh could not stay in front of his man and no one stepped up to double him early.

  • bleeding crimson

    Thanks. I was hoping the ref’s but I’ll take that.

  • Outoftheloop

    I counted at least 2 breaks for transition points off of missed early 3’s by IU, one by Devonte and one by Curtis. We have to make those 3’s or our D suffers!

  • bleeding crimson

    I wonder what percent of the fan base is as educate as we are on here ITH. I think we all realize that this will be a process that the entire team will have to learn and it will take some time. If only the student section will get it and not boo the team ever again. It will be great to watch how we progress from game to game, player development, etc. We are slowing watching the transformation into what will be a great program.

  • HoosierMitch

    There seems to be more emphasis on getting the ball to the middle against the zone than previously. Great improvement

  • HoosierOne

    Don’t bring up +/- around Old Man! He’s not a fan. 🙂

  • HoosierDom

    I don’t think anyone would claim you can use +/- to compare players across teams – or at least I wouldn’t claim that. I think the usefulness is, over the course of a season, to see how the totality of a player’s game contributes to the score.

  • HoosierOne

    Agreed!

  • BKLock

    Enjoyed watching the team play in the second half. An old coach once said “Offense wins games, defense wins championships.” It was nice seeing things come together in the second half on both sides of the game. Looking forward to seeing more improvement with each game.

  • VAHoosier

    You also might be misapprehending the cause of the slow paced game: USF is one of the slowest (i.e., lowest possession) team in all of CBB. That is likely the main cause of the lower possessions tonight, not Archie’s style.

  • VAHoosier

    Afterwards you could see him yelling, at C. Jones, I think, to dive for the ball. He was pissed with our effort on a loose ball.

  • Tenacious Newt

    Some of us Public School Hillbillies (Jay Cutler man, Jay Cutler) might have made it on the Oregon Trail in green and black.

  • thrawnjan

    So how was your initial comments incorrect?

  • TomJameson

    JN is actually a good defensive player, he just can’t hit his butt with both hands. Plus, only one TO.

    It was really good to see RJ coming back alive Less thinking, more playing. Him and Juwan both seemed to be more intuitive, rather than trying to think it through.

  • TomJameson

    It’s an indicator only. Like a wind-sock, it can show a direction. It can also show a tendency over a period of time. Most certainly shouldn’t be used on it’s own to show anything about the player, but it can be used over a longer period to indicate something about a player’s efficiencies.

  • TomJameson

    Don’t take this as an attack because I really like Devonte, but he needs to consistently perform like we all know he can. I believe Arch is right about that “city” part of him. A couple of bad passes trying to be too fancy. Four Turnovers on his own (a third of the team total).

    JN is taking too much heat, IMHO. He is a good defender, just not hitting his shots, and some not even close. Somebody said he’s working through an injury, hope he gets through it and becomes who he was at the end of last season.

    The freshmen are coming through. Smith, Durham, and now Moore didn’t look too bad either. Justin and Al are very much in my group of the first seven players, any of those seven can start, with the other two first off the bench. All 7 will get “starter minutes”. And Al, what a stat stuffer!

    DD needs to practice his free throws. He got called for at least 1, but maybe 2, really bogus fouls. If he gets hammered by the officials like that at home, we’re going to be in real trouble on the road. He seems to still get their attention.

    JMo … A double-double. Great game, hit his free throws, rebounded, spark-plug … Welcome back Juwan!!

    If I half to pick a half where the team plays great BB, I’ll always pick the second. Good win, improvements in defense AND offense (movement). Now keep working on the defense and still cut down on those TOs.

    Trying to keep in mind that South Florida isn’t a great team, but IU is definitely going in the right direction, so I’m happy. 2 more wins, then face Duke as an improved team. Want to make that one competitive (not a blowout) anyway.

  • Outoftheloop

    I disagree. That drive to the rim at the end of the half was on him. He has trouble staying in front of his man.

  • Ole Man

    Because I can be on the floor for ten minutes and do nothing while my team goes on a streak and end up plus whatever for the game.
    Riddle me this: Kobe Bryant could go out and score 50 pts in a game and end up with a negative +/- because the Lakers lost.
    Hmmmmmmmmmmmm………………

  • HoosierOne

    In that case the other players on his team would probably have a lower plus minus than he does.

    Also, in your example if you’re playing 4 on 5 because you’re not doing anything while on the floor than you’re likely not going to be winning….if you are then you’re playing a really bad team. Otherwise, you are likely playing good defense, setting screens, boxing out, and all the other small things that allow a team to go on a run.

  • HoosierOne

    It’s a really simple stat. I’m baffled at how many people on this thread completely dismiss it as meaning nothing. Oh well. Can’t teach an Old Man new tricks.

  • TomJameson

    I really don’t mind differing opinions, it’s all good. But you know, you can nit-pick, and find plays on anybody, that show defensive breakdowns. If a person has a tendency to not like a player, it’s easy to pick one play and use that to “prove” an opinion.

    In any case, I’ll defer to Archie’s opinion of Josh. Arch likes his work ethic, his energy, and his defensive play. And since defense is so important to Arch, I’m pretty sure Josh in meeting the standard, or he wouldn’t be playing at all.

  • Ivan Renko

    Duke ran a really intense zone against MSU… a little worried about our ability to crack it with Duke’s length. but less worried than i would be with TC’s offense haha.

  • Ivan Renko

    I agree. We desperately need CuJo to start contributing. Assuming the next two game go relatively smoothly, I feel like Archie should play CuJo more than he typically would and almost FORCE him to contribute. ie. hit a couple 3s and maybe even get him to put the ball on the floor and drive to the basket when there’s an open lane

    I’m no basketball coach, but it’s clear CuJo is either extremely hesitant to do anything other than take an open 3, or Archie has told him don’t shoot anything that isn’t an open 3. even then, his wide open air ball corner 3 was uggggly near the end of the game

  • TomJameson

    Not sure I would get too excited about this team breaking the zone, or the full court press. We did well against South Florida, but they are expected to finish last in the AAC. They are the bottom rung of the ladder, Duke is the pinnacle of the roof the ladder leads up toward. 🙂

    Funny how Creans teams reputation for breaking the zone gets worse and worse as time goes by. lol

  • Ivan Renko

    my expectations are not high against duke, as long as AH is rocking and our guys play hard-nosed basketball, hoosier fans should be proud.

    I’m just very bitter still about the 2013 game that must not be named. utilizing Zeller in the high post instead of forcing guards to try and drive off screens each possession would have changed the outcome in my bitter opinion haha.

  • dwdkc

    You can tell when a guy is pressing, and that was an example. He has a nice shot and his first shot showed it. Needs to relax and let the game come to him; take the opportunities when they are there, and just play. Kind of like the whole team, who are still thinking too much trying to get used to the new way of doing things. Still think CuJo can be very good.

  • Kevin

    37-19 in the second half. That was excellent.
    I love what Durham brings….

  • Kevin

    Loved the T
    DIVE ON THE FLOOR!

  • calbert40

    I really like Durham too.

  • Matt Delacoma

    2 days ago
    “I wonder what percent of the fan base is as educate as we are on here ITH.”

    Uhh…

  • Matt Delacoma

    We have a stifling defense?