At the Buzzer: Seton Hall 84, Indiana 68

  • 11/15/2017 8:43 pm in

Quick thoughts on an 84-68 loss at Seton Hall:

How it happened: Archie Miller warned on Tuesday that this would be a game “for the men.” And while Indiana showed flashes of improved play on Wednesday night in the Prudential Center, the Hoosiers were beaten handily by one of the Big East’s best teams. It looked like the Pirates would run away with the game early, but Indiana came back from an early nine-point deficit to claim the lead. Seton Hall led by just one at the half. The second half, however, was a different story. The Pirates were quickly into the bonus after the half and careless turnovers only put the Hoosiers at even more of a disadvantage. Indiana had no answer for two Pirates: Desi Rodriguez, who had a game-high 23 points, and Angel Delgado, who finished with 19 points and 11 rebounds. Through three games and two double-digit losses, it’s clear that Indiana has a long way to go in year one of the Archie Miller era.

Standout performer: Devonte Green’s hot shooting kept Indiana in the game in the first half. The sophomore guard from New York finished with a team-high 16 points. Freshmen Justin Smith and Al Durham Jr. also had 10 points each.

Statistics that stands out: Indiana committed 18 turnovers for a turnover percentage of 26. The Hoosiers were also outscored by 11 at the free throw line.

Final IU individual stats:

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  • Jeff Crowder

    True. But I think we have a better coach now. Go Big Red!

  • Ole Man

    The crowds should be ashamed of themselves.

  • Ole Man

    Just a few fans ruining it for everyone.

  • Mark Bando

    I hear ya. I beleive its coming too

  • SeeingRed

    It’s true: these returners are definitely not cut from Archie Miller cloth. The indentity of the program won’t really change until he gets a chance to get his brand of player filling up the roster. On the upside, it looks as if the freshmen can be “converted.” But this season, fans are just going to have to look for growth, bright spots, and maybe a couple unexpected wins to keep things interesting.

  • sam

    Good effort, Team… They are going to continue to learn Coach Miller’s system and grow game to game. By B1G season I am willing to bet they will not finish below 6th, maybe 5th. These next few games will help the grow of this team a lot…. Go Hoosiers

  • stillstoned2016

    Well there was a difference of only one field goal in this game. And the Pirates shot 17 more free throws. IU lost control of the game in the first seven possessions of the second half. Throwing the ball to the crowd and then not playing defense on the back side. And poof in five minutes it was over.

  • bball at nick’s

    As Ole Man said, we are starting to see small but sure change from the Rob and Josh as well.

  • bball at nick’s

    They are all babies in the new system. Back in the fetal position, LOL.

  • It’s weird to come away from a 16 point loss and feel decent about it. But that’s where I am. For the first time, in the first half, we got a glimpse of what Indiana basketball will look like with Archie as coach. Then in the second half some really bad habits took back over (and the refs didn’t help), but those are fixable (not the refs). The fight they showed in the first half is what we should get used to seeing soon enough — and then add in the infusion of next season and we’ll have more of Archie’s kind of players to go with it. I’m excited.

  • Dsct1

    wish I could have seen the game. Reading the comments though while I agree Archie is what IU needs calling him brilliant is an exaggeration. Brilliant coaches find a way to win. It seems people believe this team is like TC’s first year, it is not. Lots of talent on this team. I believe coach Miller will win with them, but these losses are hard to take. Saying that I’m ready for the next one. Game that is I could do without losses

  • VAHoosier

    I also wish you could have seen the game. The improvement from last week was very apparent, despite the results. Stick with them, they are going places.

  • bball at nick’s

    The brilliance is in striking the right balance between laying down a foundation while negotiating the million other immediate demands of the program and fan base.

  • VAHoosier

    You nailed it. This was exactly how I felt after the game.

  • The first half was very well played. If you get a chance to watch, perhaps you’ll feel differently.

  • inadvertentelbows_stillhurt

    Again if the fan base had patience a new coach wouldn’t be here… so give that a rest… great coaches adapt… it will play itself out.. we will see if big time recruits want to play at a down losing program

  • Mark Bando

    Yeah, i know. I am confident archie will keep these guys moving in the right direction and it doesnt happen overnight.

  • VAHoosier

    I like your optimism, and agree we will improve dramatically. But I still see us at 8th or 9th in the B1G.

  • mharv2631

    I know a high school guard that could start for IU right now.

  • Outoftheloop

    Who? Why?

  • Dsct1

    Quick response. Had to work and getting ready for a meeting with our CEO. I’m never not be a fan and supporter of IU. As I said I believe in coach Miller. Just hard to take lopsided losses

  • inadvertentelbows_stillhurt

    Have you coached 17yr olds?….they want to play for a winner… or where they can get a chance to put up alot of shots choose one

  • Fascinating stat above. DG played 31 minutes, and Hoosiers were +5 when he was out there. Meaning, the team was outscored by 21 points in the NINE minutes Green sat.

    By way of comparison, JN was -21 in 20 minutes of action.

  • sam

    Let’s bet a I.T.H. buck… I’ll go with no lower than 6th and you can have 8th or 9th? Just for fun of course….

  • Outoftheloop

    We are not a top 30 team today. So losing at Seton Hall is what I expected. Watch IN St tomorrow to see how bad game one really was.

  • PalmettoHoosier

    They seem tired. I just can’t help but think there have been a few sprints in getting Archie’s system installed. If so, the progress reduces sprints, speed comes with fresh legs and comprehension. Then Hartman returns and first time B1G tournament champions!

  • bball at nick’s

    Do you live in South Carolina?

  • PalmettoHoosier

    Yes

  • bball at nick’s

    I live in Charleston. Is there an IU alum bball crowd that you know of?

  • Outoftheloop

    Play only Devonte, Al and Robert as guards. Play only DeRon, Justin and Juwan in the frontcourt. Collin will give us 7 players. I am very disappointed in Josh. Somehow we have to get some minutes for Clifton, but he is not ready.

  • PalmettoHoosier

    Cool, I live the Jedburg metropolis. I don’t know of one. I’m a UE alum myself grew up in southern indiana

  • Outoftheloop

    Juwan just can’t score. I expected more.

  • VAHoosier

    I get it. As a fanbase, patience is not our strong suit… we have a sense of entitlement. I was as dejected as anyone after ISU, but Archie is trying to retrain an entire team, upperclassmen and all, and I think in the next month or two we will see it bear fruit. Tonight was a step in the right direction.

  • Oldguyy

    +/- is the worst stat out there. Utterly meaningless until you have very many games, like an NBA season’s worth of games, to extract the signal from the noise.

  • bball at nick’s

    When I first got here I looked up a listing of restaurants/bars where IU alums supposedly watched games, but I think they closed. LOL.

  • mharv2631

    He lives in New Albany.

  • bball at nick’s

    Thanks, I meant to ask about this.

  • Ole Man

    Give it a rest, yourself! A losing program?!?!
    3 games in.
    You act like you know more than Archie and can critique him.
    You don’t have a clue what great coaches do!
    I’m done with you.
    You’re a waste of time!

  • VAHoosier

    Deal. I’ll take 8th or worse and you can have 6th or better. That one buck I hope to lose!

  • Outoftheloop

    That is too obvious.

  • VAHoosier

    Of course 7th place is a draw…

  • Ole Man

    You simply can’t make that call on brilliance or not–too small a sample size.
    You’re not only selling Archie short, but you’re selling yourself short. And you sound like too much of a real caring, knowledgeable fan to do that.

  • Tommy Morrsion

    I’m encouraged by the positivity on this thread.

    I left the game 20% disappointed and 80% content with the way the team played. After a bonehead TO I would suddenly see a glimpse of a great possession (like that really nice post feed from the top of the key to JM for an easy lay in).

    Perhaps it’s just my expectations being lowered a bit for the season, but as long as I see a team with some grit and tenacity that demonstrates improvement in a new system… I’m content.

  • Ole Man

    It doesn’t really matter what ISU does from here on out.
    It’s done with.
    What we say tonight was more baby steps in the right direction.
    The toddler stood and for a few feet (the first half) hurried across the floor.
    Then he stumbled; got uncertainly back up; and tried to continue, but not quite as effectively (the second half). It will come.

  • Oldguyy

    Definitely some Kohl Center refereeing in the second half.

  • sam

    Agreed…
    Here’s to a great effort season…. Go Hoosiers….

  • Tommy Morrsion

    Of course, I do want to state I’m not going to be happy with the same play at the end of this year or without drastic improvements year 2 and 3. The expectation at IU is national championships. Hope these two comments aren’t contradictory.

  • Ohio Hoosier

    It was refreshing to see IU work the ball in the first half. So used to seeing the ball go up
    on the first open opportunity from the three point line in past few years. Make the other
    team play defense. Looks to me that IU will struggle this year against teams with athletic
    big men. It will be hard for DD to stay out of foul trouble without better lateral quickness.
    This team needs to slow the pace and value the ball on every possession to keep
    games in the 60 to 70 point range, They can’t have many unforced turnovers which really
    hurt them early in both halves tonight. I think the freshmen are playing fairly well and will
    only continue to improve as they get stronger and more experienced.
    RJ doesn’t seem to be squaring his body up on his 3 pointers. He is a better shooter
    than he is showing right now.

    Just hope to see continued improvement from this team on a game by game basis
    in the fundamentals. (Free throw shooting, Turnovers, Block outs, Screening, Defense)

    I think Colin Hartman will help this team if he can stay injury free.

    Hoosier fans be patient. Archie teaches fundamentals.

  • sam

    What would a Borg say if we don’t see it?
    Change would have been futile…From Star Track for us old school posters

  • AJT

    I know this is going to be unpopular with the 12 people on this forum who have decided you have to post on every article to be a real IU fan, but i am really confused at the product im watching. This looks like the same Tom Crean offense except without talent from the perimeter. They look completely lost. Nobody rebounds. The defense is still a complete dumpster fire. The classic “IU 2nd half implosion” is still a beloved tradition. While its cool that we’ve learned to get one handed steals, i see no signs of all the hard nosed “archie miller” hype thats been sold for the past 8 months. And dont give me that “its gonna take time” BS. If you can be a pooper scooper at Dayton and win 20 games a season, you should be able to figure out how to lose to ISU and Seton Hall by less than 37 combined points (yes, that IS a real sentence). This team is embarassing. They have an alarming amount of work to do.