POTB 193: Jake Forrester commitment and recruiting discussion

  • 09/12/2017 2:24 pm in

Podcast on the Brink is back for a new episode with hosts Jerod Morris of The Assembly Call and Alex Bozich of Inside the Hall. The show is available weekly.

In this edition of the show, Morris and Bozich discuss Jake Forrester’s commitment to the Hoosiers and also talk recruiting. Among the topics discussed:

· Jake Forrester’s commitment and how he fits in
· How Forrester fits into the packline defense
· Forrester’s height and why it ultimately doesn’t really matter
· The current recruiting period and the prospects Indiana is focusing on
· Keion Brooks Jr., Trayce Jackson-Davis and the 2019 class
· The Romeo Langford recruitment and what’s left in the 2018 class

And much, much more. As always, feel free to drop the show a note at [email protected].

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  • AndyCapp

    Take a step back and look at Coach’s recruits… there is a def pattern emerging of the kinds of players he is looking for. Is Forrester the highest recruit we could have gotten? Immaterial. I believe he is among the best that fits into Coach’s system and building a long term winning program. IMO we should all be VERY excited about this class and the building block it is establishing towards competing for championships year in, year out.

  • iugradmark

    Thanks for another good show gentlemen. Good comments. Time to head over to ITunes and give you a nice rating.

  • N71

    I looked at the 2018 recruiting board on scout I think it was and Jake was both the tallest and heaviest of those we were pursuing. So yeah, I agree, he’s a great addition all things considered.

  • Dialogos68

    My question is…… What happens if another 2018 recruit commits before Romeo Langford makes a decision? Does IU decline? Will they accept more then five if Langford does commit and work it out later?

  • Dialogos68

    With DD as the only player who can realistically play as a five, I am curious about the fact that there is no traditional 5s on the recruiting horizon. Does Miller not want or need a five in his system? The top programs always seem to have a couple of bigs to control the paint and IU rarely has depth in the frontcourt… especially someone who wants to play in the post with their back to the goal.

  • Stew

    If Langford and Garland both decide to come I’m sure there is a way to make it work. Awesome problem to have!!

  • Larry Brown

    2 6’10” guys and both might add another inch.
    But both won’t be imnediate contributers, not in a big way anyway, so people had better temper their expectations for the next couple years

  • Larry Brown

    All this is very true. But it does mean that people had better not expect a national championship contender this year or next

  • TomJameson

    “This is a business” …. for the school AND the players. That is so true, and sometimes overlooked. Most of these highly ranked and highly regarded players have their eyes on the NBA, and they are being advised (hopefully wisely) by parents, coaches, and friends. I wouldn’t want the job of recruiting for ANY college, much less a fantastic school like IU.

    Great job guys, thanks. As soon as my iTunes app downloads, I’ll be posting my rating.

  • Arch Puddington

    You offer this like it’s news or insight. Last year we finished 7-11 in our conference, lost in the first round of the NIT, fired our coach, and saw our best three players go to the NBA. If you were expecting to contend for a national title in the next year or two, then you were thinking quite wishfully.

  • WhatsUpKnight2.0

    it’s darn tough being patient, i’m feelin larry’s pain. but i like what CM’s doing. it was also mentioned in POTB, get a solid batch of 4-year, 4-star kids in each class, complemented hopefully by a 5-star (or two?). that’s the formula to sustained success and giving your team a chance to win it all. oh yeah, and maybe coaching a bit of defense! haha

  • Chi-Town Hoosier

    As has been stated many times, there are a lack of highly recruited bigs in 2018, but there are some tremendous opportunities in 2019 for Hurt, Brooks, TJD, Stewart, etc. CAM probably got the best big we could have gotten in this class without stretching.

  • IdahoHoosier

    On the topic of confessing “this is a business”, if we believe that, doesn’t it seem like a no-brainer that students should be allowed to transfer without penalty? In the business world, unless there is a contract (and even then people get out of them), an employee or employer can up and go where the grass is greener. If we are going to treat NCAA Bball like a business, they players should have that latitude right?

  • VOXAC30

    The thing is it would be the same as a no-compete clause. Any D1 college that has a vested interest in recruiting the student athlete would have them sign a non-compete form.

    Beyond that truly I think it is ridiculous not to allow a kid to go right to the NBA. Who is the king that says you can not earn your own living at the age of 18? Talk about being blackballed.

  • I think you answered your own question: there’s a contract between the player and the school. It says, “If you commit to playing basketball at XYZ University, then we will pay all of your educational expenses and provide you with this awesome stage to showcase your talents. In return, you agree to play basketball for us and achieve these academic standards. Furthermore, you agree not to transfer during your tenure, and if you do, then you will have to wait a year before starting with another program.” As stated VOXAC30 stated, it could be considered a non-compete clause in the contract.

    What the relationship doesn’t look anything like is at-will employment.

  • Outoftheloop

    Why? Recruiting has zero to do with this season! IU will have 5, 6 or 7 really good players to add for next season to the 7 returning players. Let’s play some games and actually see how good those 7 (returning players) can become. Bobby added QB, Crews and Abernathy as freshmen, to Greene and Laz as first year sophomores to Big Steve Downing and should have won a Banner but for one bad charge/block foul going against Steve! The future is uncertain!

  • IdahoHoosier

    Good points from both you and VOXAC30. I think the NCAA goes back and forth behaving as if these students have rights like professionals or non-professionals. It is confusing! I agree with VOX that the 1 year college rule is totally silly. If all the “star” players would just go play overseas for a year and skip college I think a message would be sent. If these are just student-athletes then let them go and transfer as they wish. If they are professionals/assets, then have them sign real contracts with real lawyers and it will get real messy and complicated fast.

  • Outoftheloop

    If you ask a good 6’10-7’2 HS kid would he rather be Kevin Durant or Howard (or Cousins, etc.), what answer would you expect? 99% would say Durant! It’s a new world of basketball!

  • Outoftheloop

    That is a common opinion. Are you 100% at picking stocks? Is anyone?

  • My point wasn’t precisely that “if it’s a business then treat it that way,” but rather that it’s not precisely an at-will employment situation either. I think it’s a specific kind of relationship between student-athletes and universities whereby both parties benefit tremendously and certain rules need to be in place. I think that both parties make a tremendous commitment when a player is recruited and commits to a program, and that this commitment should be honored in both directions.

    For example, I would support a rule that says universities will not remove a player from a team merely for a lack of athletic performance — you recruit a kid, it’s for four years and only bona fide rules violations and failure to meet academic standards should be grounds for dismissing a player. After all, coaches have tremendous influence over how a player develops, and I think it’s wrong to kick a player off a team to make room for a better player. Maybe implement a rule whereby a coach has to give a player a 1-season notice that he could be removed from the team, to be reciprocal to the player transfer rule. Or something.

    Accordingly, I then support the idea that a player is committing to a program as well, and that players should not so easily be able to transfer. I think having to sit out a year when transferring is a relatively minor requirement. Note that I do support transfers without waiting periods in the case of a coaching change, because that creates a major change to a player’s prospects.

    What I don’t want to see is college basketball become any more of a farm program for the NBA. Heck, the NBA should just create its own league for non-college-bound players, and let kids who don’t want to go to college join that league and get their development and maturity. Maybe the D-league or whatever it is now could serve that function. But universities — places of learning — should not be where athletes are parked just because the NBA doesn’t want to invest the resources to develop them.

  • Ole Man

    Different game then what was played then.
    Too much of a stretch now.
    Can’t compare the two eras and the type of players.

  • Ole Man

    CM is one of our recruits.
    Archie is our coach.
    Why is that so hard? 🙂
    You confuse us old guys! LOL!

  • Ole Man

    Who is this “CAM”?
    Is this a blog about auto racing?
    LOL!

  • IdahoHoosier

    Hopefully it didn’t come across that I was trying to put words in your mouth. Frankly I can’t believe the G-League (as it is called now) hasn’t already established itself as the true developmental opportunity for kids to make money, display their skills, and skip the college requirement. The G-League would attract more interest and make more money if they had the top fresh-out-of-high school players playing with other professionals. Apparently the NBA is not selling that adequately to prospects. Anyway, I still think the NCAA muddles too much between treating these kids as assets or as student athletes as it suits the NCAA.

  • No problem, it’s a complex topic and I wasn’t clear. And I would love to see clarity brought to the whole situation, and I agree that something like the G-League would be a great alternative to college for many kids. Not all kids are suited for college or really benefit from it, I think, and that’s just as true for athletes as everyone else.

  • WhatsUpKnight2.0

    good point, post has been updated!

  • Chi-Town Hoosier

    I literally don’t get the connection about auto racing and CAM so I consider that as a win for me. Can you please remind me what were are supposed to call him? Must have forgot my ITH etiquette……

  • Mark Bando

    Well, its pretty clear archie is building his teams to be very good and very versatile defensively, and i love it!

  • VOXAC30

    Depends if In-Line-6 is in the conversation or not… Lol… I’m killing myself ?

  • bball at nick’s

    Computer Assisted Machining

  • Matt Humphrey

    I think the 2018 class is finished until they know what is going to happen with Romeo and Langford. IMO

  • Arch Puddington

    There is no etiquette about it. I like CM. Simple. Others like “Archie”. Use what you like, and don’t worry about the acronym police. 🙂

  • unclekerfuffle

    I’ve always believed that Walton charged. Nothing will change my mind on that.

  • Chi-Town Hoosier

    I remember this being a hot button issue in the forum for about a month. It’s actually quite amazing how upset people got about an acronym.

  • Oldguyy

    No question. What was called Downing’s fourth should have been Walton’s fifth.

  • Ole Man

    Thank you!
    Seriously, I do get confused sometimes! LOL!
    BTW, forgot to say that I thought the rest of your post was right there!

  • Ole Man

    Arch or Archie is what he said he wanted to be called.

  • Ole Man

    The CM does get confusing because we use players initials so much and we have a player with those initials.
    And considering that he asked to be called Arch or Archie, I think it does make a difference.

  • Ole Man

    Cracked me up! I spit my V-8 juice!

  • Outoftheloop

    Nice!

  • TomJameson

    Well, you and Mark ironed a lot out already, but I will add one thing. IMHO, things get mixed up because of the title student/athlete. Students can transfer wherever they want with no penalties whatsoever … as long as they have the money. Of course, if they have an academic scholarship to school “A”, it doesn’t transfer to school “B”, but they are free to go anywhere without sitting out.

    The athlete has a scholarship that doesn’t transfer either, but it will still be honored even if the athlete gets kicked off the team (like in the case of Gelon). The athlete, if he’s concerned solely with acedemics, can stay and gets his degree (on scholarship) like promised.

    but it’s the athlete transfer that has folks all debating and stuff. Personally I think a little more leeway should be given to the athlete, but not to the extent that’s been talked about. I think that during the season recruiting WILL take place. I believe a person is terribly naïve if they think that all (at many) of the coaches will observe any hands-off of mid-season recruiting restriction that may be put into place.

    So yeah … students can transfer without restrictions. Athletes have to pay a small price, but they still have their scholarships protected (at least at IU). And there’s a lot of cheating going on already by some coaching staffs, and it can get a whole lot worse if the unrestricted transfers are allowed.

  • Larry Brown

    There’s a lot of talent and the lot of good coaching in the Big Ten. This year IU has several glaring weaknesses starting with a total lack of depth Inside, by which I mean size, and no real five star players and getting used to a new coach, Etc. If they finish in the top four of the league then Archie deserves coach of the year. Next year actually the more I think about it, they do have a chance to go really far, if Davis and Moore develop. But again, they will need to have at least one takeover player… we still might get one. But all I was pointing out is that Archie is getting really solid for your players but they will take a year or two to develop, band because of our lack of interior depth, we need one of those big guys to step right in and be really good. I think it’s expecting a little much from Clifton Moore, but we will see. I hope you are right

  • John D Murphy

    I don’t expect to complete for a national championship. But I do expect to in the upper echelon of weak (outside of MSU) B1G and compete for the B1G the following year. And be a national championship contender the year after that. 3 year plan. We WILL be better than we were last year.

  • MPmike B

    If a 5 star top 10 recruit wants to commit to your program, then you will accept and make a way. You don’t turn them down because of limited scholarships. Only if you are Kentucky or possibly Duke due to them having too many 5 star recruits. They will make a way and like every year in college the scholarship numbers always work themselves out.