Report: Indiana, Arizona eyeing three-year series

  • 07/24/2017 9:15 am in

In his introductory press conference back on March 27 in Bloomington, Archie Miller mentioned the potential for a future non-conference series with Arizona.

According a a report on Sunday from Jon Rothstein, the Hoosiers and Wildcats are closing in on a three-year series.

According to Rothstein, the series would run from 2019-2022 and include game a game in Tucson during the 2019-2020 season, Bloomington during the 2020-2021 season and Madison Square Garden in New York City for the 2021-2022 season.

The Wildcats, coached by Archie’s brother, Sean, are a perennial top 10 program.

Archie Miller spent two seasons as an assistant coach at Arizona before moving on to his first head coaching job at Dayton in 2011.

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  • millzy32

    I just don’t get the connection:)
    This will be awesome. Will make me forget for a second that we don’t have that rivalry with the team down south back on yet.

  • pcantidote

    Big time pre-conference college basketball played on campus. What a novel concept.

  • Lance76

    This sounds like a contest of bragging rights for beer back home with their dad in Pennsylvania. Bring it on—should be good!

  • Outoftheloop

    A template for IU v KY. Maybe, but for now let’s play in Indy every December!

  • Arch Puddington

    I”m looking into this. I discovered they have the same last name, and went from there. I’ll report back if I learn anything.

  • GaHoosier

    As much as I dislike UK fans, minus my best friend who is a fan, and my total dislike of Coach Cal, I think getting UK back on the schedule is a must.

  • GaHoosier

    Sound like a win-win situation!!!

    I have to admit that I was skeptical of the hiring of Coach Archie Miller, but what he has been able to accomplish over the course of the first several months is nothing short of amazing to me! He seems relentless in his approach to EVERY aspect of being a head coach at IU. Waiting to see the total package when it comes down to coaching in-game situations, but it appears that he is the right man for the job!!!

  • Arch Puddington

    What has really stood out to me is how well he fits this job culturally. Without at all meaning to run down CTC, who is a good man and who brought us back from oblivion, he never truly fit here. His personal manner did not sit well with fans — and vitally, not with state high school coaches — and his style of play drove some people crazy even when it was working well.

    CM has come in here and immediately felt like a better fit. The way he presents himself publicly, in particular his straightforward manner of speaking, the type of player he is recruiting, and the style of play he is clearly aiming for feel like what we think of when we think of IU basketball. Of course we want to win above all, but it’s clear that the product on the court needs to look and feel a certain way. Both personally and strategically, CM just seems to hit the right notes. It won’t matter if he can’t win big, but I’ll warrant that after the decline of Bob Knight, the fecklessness of MIke Davis, the sleaze of Kelvin Sampson, and the the peculiarity of Tom Crean, the program has its best leader since the early ’90s. If he can get the right players, I am certain the rest of the program will look and feel the way we expect it to.

  • Ole Man

    Let’s not. Who needs pUKe? IU obviously doesn’t.

  • William Stephens

    No way! IU should not cave in to Calipari’s whims. If IU wants a home-home-neutral series with UK then fine but definitely not neutral every season. There are other fish in the pond. Playing against UK in December usually is against a team of very talented freshmen. I would much rather schedule a team with a more mature and developed unit. I also wish to see as little of Calapari as possible. I consider him the biggest “sleezeball” in college basketball. Beating out Rick Pitino by a nose.

  • Ole Man

    I think their reputation is tarnished.
    They need us much more than we need them.
    My opinion, they are not a must if they will not play on campus.

  • SCHoosier

    No need too…based on family relationships..Coach Cal has agreed ref one of those games as long as it not the one in B-town:)

  • THRyan

    Don’t give coach Cal any free opportunities to recruit our home. That’s what he wants.

  • bball at nick’s

    Guess what, Hoosier fans? Archie and the Millers are close friends with Coach Calipari, and from what I’ve read Archie consulted with Cal on the IU job and got a very positive review. Cal also helped Crean when he first arrived at IU. So are you ready to give up the anti-Calipari non-sense? LOL.

  • Donnie Vick

    No.

  • bball at nick’s

    I can refer you to a therapist, LOL.

  • Donnie Vick

    Yours? LOL

  • bball at nick’s

    Why not? No shame in that. LOL.

  • Donnie Vick

    Seriously, I don’t hate the guy, but that doesn’t mean I don’t think he’s a whiner who at time has been somewhat less than ethical when it comes to recruiting.

  • Sarasota Hoosier

    I don’t hate Calipari, I hate Kentucky, and at the moment, the 2 are pretty connected.

  • I just don’t see the big deal about playing in Indy and Louisville for our series. There’s zero recruiting advantage for UK. That’s B.S. if Cal wants to recruit Indiana, he doesn’t need a game in Indy to help him get access to Indy kids.

  • Arch Puddington

    While I don’t agree with the first part of your post — I think Kentucky basketball is among the top handful of college brands in the country, and is thriving like never before (sadly) — I do agree with the last part. I don’t care about playing Kentucky just for its own sake, and don’t care about playing them in Louisville or Indy. Like I suspect you have, I have been to plenty of IU-KU games in Assembly Hall, and they are unlike any other. Rivalries played in front of hometown fans are the essence of college sports. It’s what makes them different than pro sports. If Calipari isn’t willing to play the games on campus, then I’m glad to find programs that will.

  • Arch Puddington

    I think the point is that Cal won’t play in Bloomington anymore. Since terminating the home and home series with IU (and make no mistake, that is what happened), he has renewed or begun home and homes with Louisville, UNC, and UCLA. They also played Kansas at home last year as part of (I think) their conference challenge. So he is glad to have home and homes with other blue bloods, just not with us. The WatShot game seems to have really soured him on playing in Bloomington. Too bad, because the environment for those games is awesome when both teams are good.

  • VOXAC30

    Nope not now not ever! I had a signed Basketball by Tubby Smith the year they won there National Title when UK hired Cal I gave it to a friend that liked UK.

  • SoCal Hoosier

    The reason the state of Indiana doesn’t fall into Lake Michigan is because Kentucky sucks

  • Arch Puddington

    While I detest his willingness to tear down the traditions of college basketball and replace them with an openly mercenary regime in which everything, even winning, is secondary to the professional ambitions of the players, the claim of unethical recruiting is unfounded. He is a salesman and recruiter without equal. Has been at every job he’s had. The only person who can keep up with him in that regard is Coach K, and he can only do so because of his unrivaled resume. Calipari has played the one-and-done game better than anyone, and has turned UK into the marquee destination for 5-star talent. He was getting top players long before he got to Kentucky, and now that he is there, players line up to play for him. Just getting recruited by Calipari is one of the markers of elite status for high school players.

    I hate it that that is the case, and I hate it that UK has thrived while IU has struggled for most of the last generation. But that is how it is, and we do ourselves no good by suggesting it is because he cheats. At this point he would be insane to cheat, because he can bring in the best recruiting class in the country year after year without it.

  • bball at nick’s

    Dang, you could have sent it to me!

  • VOXAC30

    I would have given it away… Obviously I’m no longer a fan. I always appreciated the rivalry but not in today’s world.

  • Ole Man

    ROFL! You win the blog today!

  • bball at nick’s

    LOL. Good one, at least we got some good jokes from the non-sense.

  • iugradmark

    Arch, you captured this for me. I will also give credit to the hiring team because they recognized the problems with Crean’s style and approach and not only hired someone with the right culture, but made the things that are important stand out. Archie understands the importance of having in-state kids want to play at IU and is doing many things to try and get that back on track but I also believe that our AD made it clear that this was going to be expected. He started talking about this in his opening presser and his moves since then show he was serious. Whether it was hiring Coach Schilling, inviting coaches and players to camps, recruiting around the state, etc. he is working the state and I believe we will see long term benefits from this effort. I am sure fans will find fault with him at some point but for me he is striking all the right chords so far.

  • VOXAC30

    Yes Calipari is a top notch recruiter and a pretty solid coach. I will argue your correct to a point. He has two F4 revoked Memphis and UMass my argument is he cheated to get there but now that he is there he’s proven his ability now he doesn’t have to cheat.

    He has succeeds everywhere he goes and on his own he could still do it. I do tend to believe he has taken a lot of short cuts to there.

    Your right the though he is one heck of a salesman…. But in his former role he was a buyer as well. Lol

    I say that in my opinion no facts he could be up and up but I cannot accept it!

  • Koko

    I don’t mind Calipari….in fact I think he is kinda funny at times.
    If he coaches the one and done so be it. Every coach latches
    on to their niche….Cal likes the one and done
    and appears to be pretty good at recruiting and coaching those players.
    I would imagine he feels he is pretty successful at it….and I would agree.
    The only thing is if he leaves Kentucky the new coach will have a major rebuilding season or two….which I don’t mind.

  • TomJameson

    Cal will never play at IU ever again, those are his words. So if you anybody thinks there could be a home-home-neutral series with them, well just forget it.

    I’m with OleMan, forget UK, we really don’t need them. We play them once a year thanks to the NCAA anyway, and that’s enough. All I have to say is… kuck fentucky.

  • TomJameson

    This is absolutely correct. Cals own words were that he would NEVER play in Assembly Hall again …. never. Very plain about what he said.

  • MK

    What does this have to do with the article?

  • VOXAC30

    I have to agree with @sarasotahoosier:disqus hating UK and Cal is kind of like PB&J it just goes together

  • bball at nick’s

    Um, I’m not sure. Maybe, just maybe, because we can’t talk about rivalries without trashing Calipari. Or maybe because everything is just one big intertext. LOL.

  • The Lights Go Down

    I wouldn’t say Kentucky have thrived with Cal. They have certainly won a lot of games, but based on the talent he’s had, they have vastly under-achieved. It’s a good example of how important it is to have more than just one or two members on a team that has more than two years of experience, and having kids willing to learn and play as a team.

  • SoCal Hoosier

    Thanks! Don’t forget to tip your waitress

  • Arch Puddington

    You may not like the way he does things, but since he came to Kentucky he has run the most successful program in college basketball by multiple measures. Here is his record compared to the four other coaches who have arguably landed the most talent since 2009-10:

    Callipari:
    Wins: 249-53, 83%
    Elite 8 or better: six times, one champion

    Krzyzewski:
    Wins: 238-56: 81%
    Elite 8 or better: three times, two champions

    Self:
    Wins: 247-50, 83%
    Elite 8 or better: four times, zero champions

    Williams:
    Wins: 232-78, 75%
    Elite 8 or better: four times, one champion

    Sean Miller:
    220-66, 77%
    Elite 8 or better: three times, zero Final Fours

    So the claim that he should have won more just doesn’t hold water. No one, including the other coaches who attract comparable talent, has won as much or gone as deep in the tournament as often as Cal has at Kentucky. Along with Duke, Kentucky has been the most successful and most prominent program in college basketball since Cal got there. It may be sickening, but it is so.

  • dwdkc

    The claim of unethical recruiting is unproven, not unfounded. And there is enough smoke to choke an entire state in his history. I agree that he’s been a great salesman to achieve what he has at Kentucky, and is a decent coach to get a lot of freshman talent to play reasonably well together (especially on D). But there have been too many damning rumors that line up with facts, for me starting with the Derrick Rose recruitment at Memphis but there are many others. The two vacated Final 4s appeared to involve more than what the NCAA settled on, but proving more was going to be difficult. I believe he is a sleaze. Several boosters around the UK program also probably do things that we would not appreciate as a fanbase at IU. I would want no part of him. That’s not to say he has no redeeming qualities as a person; he’s friends with straight shooters who nonetheless are not interested in doing things Calipari’s way.

  • dwdkc

    Great news. A top team in Assembly Hall! What a concept. Much as I’d like the UK series to resume, if Cal refuses to play on campus, move on. He is willing to do so with other bluebloods, so forget it.

  • dwdkc

    Of course not. We enjoy hating Kentucky, and Calipari makes it even easier.

  • IUAZ75

    Nice article about starting a series with a top program we have never played and it turns into an unrelated diatribe about ky/calipari. Stay Focused.

  • Lynn

    Some Wildcats that aren’t scared to play in Bloomington, huh?

  • inLinE6

    Off topic – I’m in Bloomington this week and will be available on Friday afternoon. Is it possible to visit Assembly Hall and watch team practice?

  • Arch Puddington

    Well, at least on this we’ll just have to agree to disagree. The sanctimony with which people judge sports in general, and a guy like Calipari in particular, just isn’t for me. He’s too slick and too smug, and as I said, I find his willingness to subordinate the institution of college basketball to his and his players’ mercenary interests to be deplorable. But those things aren’t crimes, and as far as I’m concerned the accusations made about his recruiting are nothing more than noise of jealous fans of other programs. Maybe “where there’s smoke there’s fire” is enough for others to make moral judgments, but not for me. I will judge him on what is known, not on what “people say” or what the NCAA “couldn’t prove.” And what is known is that he has attracted top talent everywhere he has gone, has won at a high level everywhere he has gone, and has never been sanctioned for anything he did. Indeed, as you point out, people who are widely reported as straight arrows think well of him, including rival coaches who a) would know if he were a serial cheater, and b) would have every reason to report him if they knew something. You say where there’s smoke there’s fire; I say that the only people who would know if there really is smoke seem not to see any. So while I’m certainly not anointing him as a saint, I simply refuse to brand him a criminal based on the perception that there MUST be something going on. There are plenty of GOOD reasons to take dim view of him, so I will stick to them.

  • John D Murphy

    Well said Arch