Around the Hall: One-and-done, IU recruiting storylines, more

  • 07/06/2017 9:56 am in

Around the Hall is recommended reading from the Inside the Hall staff.

Graham Couch of The Lansing State Journal takes a look at the “one-and-done” myth:

If the one-and-done NBA draft rule is on its way out, as commissioner Adam Silver hopes, it’s not just the NBA and college basketball that will benefit. It’s the players, too.

Having players play a second year of college basketball isn’t financially oppressive, the data shows. If anything, those who stay for a second year in the college ranks have longer and more lucrative NBA careers, by and large.

Jeff Borzello of ESPN.com has a list of five things to watch in July and Indiana receives a mention:

Miller is swinging for five-star guards Darius Garland and Langford, but is also making the Midwest a priority with the likes of Race Thompson, Jerome Hunter, Robert Phinisee and others. Ewing has had to answer plenty of recruiting questions, and that won’t change anytime soon. So who he targets and what he prioritizes will be key developments of the month.

The Houston Chronicle takes a brief look at Troy Williams, the veteran of the Rockets Summer League team:

Troy Williams played in just six games with the Rockets last season, but that was enough to have put in more time with the Rockets than any other member of the Rockets summer league team. But unlike several holdovers from last season with the Rockets and Vipers – Chinanu Onuaku and Isaiah Taylor – Williams is a free agent hoping to land a deal.

IUHoosiers.com continues its summer Q & A series with Tim Priller:

How do you see your role coming up this year?

“As a senior, you are always going to be looked upon by the less experience guys for help. Especially when it’s not as obvious. My role model would be Ryan Burton. Ryan was someone who came to work every day, had a great attitude and every time we needed something in a game, he came through big time.”

Five-star New Albany guard Romeo Langford scored six points in USA Basketball’s U19 win over Mali on Wednesday:

New Albany senior Romeo Langford scored six points, including a couple of spectacular dunks, in limited playing time in the United States’ 19-and-under World Cup win over Mali on Wednesday morning.

Langford was 3-for-7 from the floor with three rebounds and a steal as the U.S. blitzed Mali 117-69 to improve to 4-0 in the tournament. The American stars advance to a July 7 quarterfinals matchup against Germany (3-1), which defeated New Zealand (1-3) 72-65 to also advance. The United States is the 3-time defending World Cup champion.

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  • IUBizmark

    Biggest takeaway from the Jeff Borzello article is that Coack K is taller than Calipari. Who knew?!

  • Ivan Renko

    not sure if this is sarcasm or a joke I don’t understand haha. Coach K is 5’10” and Cal is 6’2″

  • N71

    The photo in the article, you need to follow the link to see, has the two talking and Coach K appears much larger, both taller and thicker…he may still be growing.

  • TomJameson

    So you’re saying Coach K’s growth plates are still open? 🙂

  • IUBizmark

    Ivan! Love your game man! Wish you would’ve come to IU.
    Thanks for clarifying. I thought Calipari was taller.

  • WhatsUpKnight2.0

    k needs to get on the atkins diet fast! wonder when was the last time he saw his…shoes.

  • AndyCapp

    LOL, at least around the torso. Of course, mine are as well 😉

  • Ivan Renko

    I just saw the photo… funny, it looks like K is photoshopped in or something. His head and body look twice as thick as Cal’s haha.

  • WhatsUpKnight2.0

    dumb question, what’s replacing the one and done? either straight to nba or 2 year commitment?

  • John D Murphy

    Also from the same interview with Tim Priller “… I’d have to have a big year to reach 1,000 points in my career (LOL) but mostly I want to help the program get better every day.” How awesome is that. I expect Tim to have a big year…but not that big (just big by Tim’s previous standards).

  • ’11Hoosier

    Adam Silver wants to eliminate the rule entirely so players can go to the NBA straight out of high school.

  • WhatsUpKnight2.0

    thanks 11. so then there would still potentially be plenty of one-and-dones i reckon. either way, i do like the idea of letting players go straight to the nba. imho it would add some integrity to cbb, though take away some of the elite athleticism. definitely somewhat a roll of the dice for the nba teams. they could luck out with a garnett, or get stuck with a bender.

  • Molon Labe

    I thought it was interesting that Priller compares himself to a walk-on that scored a grand total of 22 points in his IU career (14 his senior year). I would hope he would have higher expectations of himself since he has been on scholarship for three years already.

  • Arch Puddington

    This seems pretty imbalanced to me. He didn’t offer himself a scholarship, Tom Crean did. He is what he is — indeed, he is exactly what he was when CTC made the offer — and holding him to some other standard is just an arbitrary judgment about what he “should” be. It seems to me that he knows exactly who he is, and that he embraces his role as an elder statesman and role player to the benefit of the entire team.

  • iugradmark

    Arch, well said. I appreciate everyone wanting Priller to contribute more but he was an emergency recruit when we were short handed and he is what he is. I like his attitude and his awareness of who he is and what he can do for the team.

  • Bill Graham

    This just in, “Kentucky Players on Strike after the Possibility of Being Forced to Attend Classes.”

    ….I hope this rule passes if players have to play 2 years many of them might just go the extra year to get their degrees. This would bring back some of the old traditional college basketball where fundamentals beat flair. Also, it might help balance the recruiting monopoly, players might actually look at a school’s academics instead of dollar signs and a miniature hollywood route to the N(r)BA (not real basketball anymore)

  • stuart j fultz

    Ha, ha, I always enjoy a nice Kentucky jab. I’d love to see rule passed that would have kids stay a minimum of two years. It would create a lot more in terms of coaches knowing for sure that those fridge one and doners would have to stay another year. It gives atleast another year of knowing for sure what their rosters are gonna look like, it would really change the dynamics of college and professional basketball in a positive way. I agree that it would create a better pro league too, it gives a player another year to mature and add strength, mentally and physically.

  • AndyCapp

    I don’t think he was comparing himself to a walk-on in terms of production, I believe he was holding a walk-on up as an ideal example of grit, hard work, dedication and, most importantly, senior leadership. If Priller can be a like example for the young players coming behind him he will be as productive as we need him to be in his final year.

  • AndyCapp

    LOL, thanks for that John. No wonder he is a fan favorite, very comfortable in his own skin.

  • TomEke

    Jonathan Bender’s NBA career wasn’t great, but he still wouldn’t be my default name to describe a “Straight Out of High School Bust” over the likes of Kwame Brown. Bender missed something like 260 games in his final 4 seasons due to injury, whereas Brown just wasn’t a good basketball player.

  • John D Murphy

    The way I heard Adam Silver isn’t that one year is going to two years, but he’d prefer straight-out-of-high school. He said the players weren’t being developed in their one year in college. I’ve seen people interpret his comments both both ways.

    “My sense is it’s not working for anyone,” Silver said Thursday night before Game 1 of the N.B.A. finals. “It’s not working for the college coaches and athletic directors I hear from. They’re not happy with the current system. And I know our teams aren’t happy either, in part because they don’t necessarily think the players who are coming into the league are getting the kind of training that they would expect to see.”

    “I think we all agree that we need to make a change,” Silver said. “As I’ve said before, our position, at least our formal position, going into bargaining was that we wanted to raise the minimum age from 19 to 20, and of course their formal position was they want to lower the age from 19 to 18.”

    Anyway, I think it as likely to go either way at or before the next cba.

  • marcusgresham

    It’s a noble thought, but I don’t think a kid who thinks he’s ready to play in the NBA is going to hang around college just because he’s close to a degree. I think more of them may get degrees, as they’ll be close enough to continue on-line classes, but it’ll be just that—an on-line education while they pursue the NBA.

  • marcusgresham

    Cue Dennis Green—“They are who we thought they were!”

  • marcusgresham

    Worse yet, the likes of Taj McDavid, Ellis Richardson, DeAngelo Collins, or Lenny Cooke, who all declared and weren’t ever even drafted.

    I guess they’d be one-and-nones.

  • marcusgresham

    Growth plates? Mine’s more like a growth platter.

  • As much as I love college basketball, and long for the old days where guys played 4 years, I just can’t get behind this. I get it creates a better game but who pays for that, the players. If someone has the talent and wants to play in the NBA and teams are willing to sign him then why do we feel we get to say no? If the NCAA took care of their players and gave them some compensation for bringing in BILLIONS of dollars then maybe there is an argument to make but telling a kid he has to play for free for some college instead of earning a NBA salary is ridiculous. The article has some good data that future players may want to consider but its no reason to mandate each player play 2 years.

  • Ole Man

    The players are being compensated…Scholarships are worth mucho money.
    Besides, do you pay the five stars more than the bench riders?
    Slippery slope that colleges do not need to go down.
    It’s proven that pros who stay two years do better than one and dones.
    I could care less about the health and wealth of the NBA. Why should the college teams become farm teams for the NBA.
    College baseball players have to stay THREE years.
    Go out of HS, as they use to do, or sta 2 or 3 years.

  • hardly

    Economically for themselves, those guys were 2 massive successes.

  • hardly

    I’m surprised Romeo didn’t score 50 given Cal’s desire to get him to Lexington…missed opportunity Cal.

  • Dialogos68

    In reality… Priller has no business being on the IU team…. If you count all four years, it is basically a WASTED scholarship. In an era where IU has always been thin in the front court, it makes a difference….

  • Arch Puddington

    “None and dones”

  • VOXAC30

    My rant for the day…. It is a really bad idea to make kids go to college at all. These kids are 18 when they graduate HS your considered an adult. What if your a programmer and you have the chance to make a 100K and not go to college nothing is to prevent you, the only exception is the market. Like that market some will fail and some will succeed but the NCAA and the NBA stifles the kids opportunity and do not consider career ending injuries. If I were a one of these kids I would consider playing oversees because they would get paid right away. Then go to the NBA if they really are that good in a year or so.

  • VOXAC30

    These kids are coddled in college everything is paid for and they enjoy first class accommodations. So it’s not like they are not making bank in some fashion. The NBA is the Creme de La Creme no European or Asian league can compete with the NBA thus far. If I was a legit One-and-Done and the NCAA was making go two years I would say screw it and play overseas for two years get paid for risk of Injury then go the NBA route if possible.

  • Outoftheloop

    Absurd! Tim Priller has fully used his scholarship! He is a model student-athlete, a solid teammate, a fan favorite, a high character-integrity person, never in trouble, and a hard worker in practice! Crean only played him twice last season and he was not bad!

  • First you’d have to question the compensation when you see programs like UNC where players didn’t attend class and had people take tests for them. You could blame that on the school but the NCAA hasn’t really come down on UNC, or any other school with terrible graduation rates, and when you look at the ridiculous travel schedule they make these kids go through its hard to argue they are putting academics first. Second, the NCAA tournament rights alone sold for 10 Billion dollars and yet if you recall when Shabazz Napier won the title at UConn he also talked about how he didn’t have enough money for food. Yes, there is some compensation for players but the schools/NCAA get billions of dollars while the kids get a crappy education. How is that a fair deal? The NCAA did this to themselves, once upon a time it was about student athletes but then they couldn’t resist the money and now its basically the NBA farm system so pay the players and let them decide when to leave.

  • marcusgresham

    That’s what I meant to say.
    Derp.

  • AndyCapp

    LMAO, upvote city

  • AndyCapp

    That’s an exceptionally harsh judgment against a player that has represented IUBB and the university well! It is up to the coach to effectively use the players that were offered scholly’s. Not all players work out, but to say that a player was a wasted scholarship – someone who has dedicated himself to four years of hard work and sacrifice for the team and his teammates – is just baseless and mean-spirited.

  • stuart j fultz

    “If someone has the talent and wants to play in the NBA”, I think sums it up a little. The problem is too many of them think they do have the talent and have been told so by so many that they believe it. When they really aren’t ready at all for strength, speed, and duration of the NBA. What are we really teaching kids if we tell them the all mighty dollar is the pinnacle for which they should reach. In the days when players were coming straight out of high school rarely were they successful. Often washed out with in a few years with bills to pay that they could no longer afford, no degree, no job and where do the go? The NCAA does bring in signifcant money through these players and the way it’s such a business nowadays is sad, it really is. But I will not view these kids as victims if they don’t get any of that money, they get paid in scholarship and the opportunity to get something that will last a lifetime. Non-resident students have to fork out $46,138 in direct cost, per Indiana Admissions office. Four years is a total cost of $184,552 that they’re paid to play a sport they love and earn something that will last a life time. That sounds like a pretty good deal to me. I do understand and respect your opinion though buddy. Go Hooooosiers!!!!

  • Hardwood83

    I agree, I think the MLB draft model is best for everyone. Get drafted out of HS, sign and start your career OR go back in the pool and wait 2-3 yrs before eligible again for the NBA draft. There are a few (literally) guys that are ready for the NBA out of HS. Let them go. If not you can go to college or go overseas. The NBA has a right to determine the standards for their potential employee pool. Win for everyone, IMO.

  • Ole Man

    Earl, Too many fallacies in that scenario to take time to answer. Billions? IU is worth billions? Schools get billions?
    Napier is an exception, not the rule.
    The NBA makes the rule, not the NCAA.
    And so many more.

  • I clearly stated the NCAA made 10 billion in the last tv rights deal, never said IU did. Napier is an example of a kid who came from a very poor family, sure if a player comes from a family with more money this isn’t the case but the rule state how much money the school can provide so if your family can’t support you then this is the case. There’s no way to work and be a student and an athlete and the NCAA doesn’t let them make money by signing autographs or using their status so how else are they supposed to make money. And finally, yes I know its the NBA’s rule, I was stating that I don’t think its fair, really doesn’t matter who’s rule it is.

  • Ole Man

    NCAA made billions? Or did it share it with its member schools? Be clear. You’re implying that the NCAA made this huge profit.
    Your point only reinforced what I said, he was an exception not the rule.
    I’ll all for some changes, but not for more professionalism among the rank and file of college athletics.