Indiana’s class of 2017 signees move up in several national rankings

  • 04/19/2017 11:21 am in

The final rankings for the class of 2017 have all been released this week by 247Sports.com, ESPN.com, Rivals.com and Scout.com.

Indiana’s three signees are featured in several of the updated rankings. Here’s a breakdown of how each of the services viewed Justin Smith, Clifton Moore and Al Durham Jr. in their final rankings release for the class of 2017.

247 released a top 247, both ESPN and Scout released a top 100 and Rivals released a top 150:

247Sports

Smith – four stars, No. 73 nationally
Moore – three stars, No. 138 nationally
Durham Jr. – three stars, No. 166 nationally

ESPN

Smith – four stars, No. 88 nationally
Moore – three stars, unranked in top 100
Durham Jr. – four stars, unranked in top 100

Rivals

Smith – four stars, No. 115 nationally
Moore – four stars, No. 130 nationally
Durham Jr. – three stars, unranked in top 150

Scout

Smith – four stars, No. 92 nationally
Moore – four stars, No. 100 nationally
Durham Jr. – three stars, unranked in top 100

Each of Indiana’s 2017 signees have reaffirmed their commitments to Indiana following the coaching change in Bloomington last month. All three are expected to arrive on campus in June.

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  • TomJameson

    I still think AD isn’t getting the rankings he deserves. I predict Al will adapt really well to college BB. Of course he has room to improve, his shot for one thing, but he is a pass-first point guard who can drive to the rim. Plus he love to play defense.

    All three of these recruits will do just fine. Pretty good for a three man class.

  • Shaggy_C

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t AD confirm that he is not a ‘junior’ on the recent Assembly Call interview?

  • Ivan Renko

    yeah i was confused by that… I almost think AD thought Jerrod was asking him if he was a junior vs being a senior, and AD was thinking “uh duh I’m not a junior”. Not sure haha

  • Fivelefts

    He’s also ambidextrous! That’s a huge advantage! Especially, when you factor in his style of play..

  • Moore is going to surprise a lot of people. That kid has NBA potential.

  • inLinE6

    Yea you mentioned his shot, so I thought his ranking is not too far off. He’s competitive and defends well. Has a heart and attacks rim relentlessly. These are hard to put on paper and probably wasn’t appreciated enough in the rankings. I know he’ll be a great player here at Indiana.

  • inLinE6

    It seems like Moore is the steal of this class. From no name to 4-star and #100 ranked by Scout. He’ll blossom with a nice summer workout. Get some protein shakes to this kid!

  • Neil Dixon

    I saw Smith, who is a “4 star” player and Malik Williams play who is supposedly a “5 star” and even though they are not similar players, Smith is on a way higher plane of talent than Williams. I didn’t see any McDonalds All Americas that looked any better than Smith.

  • VOXAC30

    inLine6 I agree I find it very hard to believe a kid that is 6’10” with that kind of athleticism being ranked that low. It is a matter of AAU teams having more say than High Schools in my view. If I understand correctly he was on a local AAU team that did not have the prestige of the larger well known teams. In my view it is an example of how AAU has become more dominant than HS Basketball for college recruiting.

  • Neil Dixon

    Supposedly, Miller’s and his staff are some of the best when it comes to player development.

  • inLinE6

    I vaguely remember his AAU team was not sponsored by the big shoe company, and not playing in the heavily scouted circuit. He had the opportunity to join some more prestigious program, but he has been very loyal to his team and people around him. This is a classy kid both on and off the court. Don’t be surprised if he graduates with a 4.0 GPA too.

  • VOXAC30

    If he really is a guardswing forward or a Stretch 4 type player with his size he will be a match-up nightmare for opposing defenses. On defense if he can guard a 6’4 to 6’6 shooting guard I would think it will limit some passing lanes and shooting angles as well.

    Tough to say this, and it has been mentioned previously, but he kind of reminds me of Taejon Prince.

  • Arch Puddington

    Unfortunately, we have had experience with rangy 6’4″ left-handers who can defend and attack off the dribble but can’t shoot ,and it hasn’t been great. The last guy — Stan Robinson — was also ambidextrous after a fashion, and ended up trying to shoot right-handed. I have high hopes for AD, but watching him go 1-20 or whatever it was in that three point shooting contest did give me a bit of a shiver.

  • IdahoHoosier

    I think you are thinking of Clifton Moore as the stretch 4 kid with size, not Al Durham (a point guard). Also, Tayshaun Prince.

  • Fivelefts

    I agree.. However, I think don’t think he relies on his 3 pt. shooting much.. He seems to know what his limitations are.. Which is good! I think he’s a more heady player, than Stan.

  • Fivelefts

    Yep! ^^ He’s the one, I’m most excited to see! He’s help side defense, is going to be killer! With his length and athleticism! Also, he shouldn’t have any problems, shooting over most small forwards.

  • Donnie Vick

    Can we go with the Jerod Jeffries comparisons and drop the Prince ones? I still have nightmares of his block against Reggie

  • Eli McNaughton

    I think Stan was more of a character issue and poor fit for CTC teams. He seems to be growing up and flourishing at RI

  • HoosierKid

    Excited to see if Smith can jump right in where OG left off. Really like our young team even if JBJ and TB go to NBA still can go 11 deep. C- Davis PF- Hartman SF- Smith SG- ROJO PG- Newkirk with a bench of Morgan, Green, CUJO, McSwain, Moore, Durham.

  • VOXAC30

    yes that is correct

  • VOXAC30

    Great point! Do you remember how good Jerod Jefferies made Jerod Odle? Jeferies was a Freshman I think Odle was a Senior my gosh that was a good team.

  • MGDC

    Man, be cool on the comparisons. Prince was an all America and great player in college. Damn fine pro too who was a great defender. Moore was not a great high school player like Prince was. Moore has potential at this point to grow into a good college player if he’s willing to work his butt off and get a lot stronger.

  • Arch Puddington

    While I hope you are right about his personal growth and maturity, as a basketball player he is what he has always been. Almost freakishly so. Here are his first year numbers at IU compared to his first year numbers at RI:

    IU: 17 mpg, 6.4 pts, 2.5 rebounds, .448 FG%
    RI: 18 mpg, 6.4 pts, 2.6 rebounds, .445 FG%

    Granted, all his numbers went down his sophomore year, which would speak to your point about personal and off-court issues. But it is apparent that even after three years of top coaching, training, and competition, Stan has is right where he began. Some of his defensive numbers are up compared to his time at IU, but even that comes with an asterisk because it’s not the B1G. If AD is to become a consistently productive player at the next level, he’ll have to show more growth than Stan has.

  • TomJameson

    Al is a Point Guard. He can probably guard multiple positions, which would be good in a switching defense, but he’s not a stretch 4.

  • TomJameson

    Hahaha … hopefully nobody encourages Al to shoot with his right hand. I think that Archie, as a good shooter himself, can straighten out Al’s shot. May not be an elite shooter like Yogi or JBJ, but he’ll get good enough that the defenses won’t be able to ignore him on the perimeter.

  • IdahoHoosier

    Replied to the wrong guy. I made no comparison. Just corrected the spelling of the guy’s name! For what its worth, I agree with you. Prince was really really good.

  • pcantidote

    Sorry, no chance Morgan is coming off the bench with that roster.

  • Jermhoosierfan

    It’s more likely that Morgan starts over Smith. You can’t say that at the end of the year, but Morgan should be improving this summer seeing he his healthy.

  • KelvinSampson87

    Regardless of TB and JBJs status I think we certainly have sweet 16 talent. Teamwork and leadership are the variables that may change get one way or the other.

    For a “rebuilding” year we are in pretty awesome shape and Archie has done a lot with rosters of far less talent. I’m pumped for next season. Fingers crossed that optimism is not misplaced as it has been in the recent past.

  • iugradmark

    I agree with Morgan starting. I actually think if he can stay healthy all year, he will have a great year. If TB is gone, there will be times when we are playing three forwards and I could see Hartman, Smith, and Morgan playing together. DD is going to need some rest and he has been foul prone.

  • Piker

    Who is first of the bench to play the 5 if TB goes.

  • Koko

    Priller and Moore will back up DD.

  • iugradmark

    You probably have a lot of different combinations with the forwards. The most likely to move over to the 5 spot on defense is Morgan. I would see Smith and McSwain coming in to fill out the front line. Lots of guard help when they need it. It isn’t ideal but we just don’t have a lot of bigs on the team if TB takes off.

  • Piker

    Yeah I’m just kinda with hoosier kid on this one. We have guard and wing depth but Coach Miller will need a lot of 5 minutes from Juan if TB goes. No way CM can be thrown into that roll first year.

  • iugradmark

    I don’t think Priller will play many minutes and Moore is not a 5 and I am not sure he will ever be one. I am mostly concerned on defense and we need some strength to hold position.

  • stillstoned2011

    With all due respect these rankings are simply an effort to provide objectivity to a very subjective topic. Perhaps you can idenitfy the top 15 or 20 players but beyond that the whole process is worthless and perhaps even political depending on the people doing the rating. It is a good topic for those drunks in a bar though.

  • Ms hoosier

    Don’t count out D. Green earning a starting spot.

  • Hoosier4life67

    You guys are forgetting that Miller doesn’t like to go any deeper than 8 or 9. These kids will have to work very hard to see playing time.

  • Doug Wilson

    A 6’10 player who can dribble the length of the court and score in traffic. Will play in the NBA.

  • VanPastorMan

    I don’t know how high CAM’s players on his teams at Dayton were ranked,but I suspect CAM is pretty excited about having guys this high.

  • HoosierKid

    Miller has never had more than 5 is why only played 8 or 9

  • HoosierKid

    Don’t worry about defense. 20+ mins from Davis, Morgan, and Hartman. With Archie’s defensive mentality, we will be miles ahead of last year.

  • HoosierKid

    Probably give 5 mins to Moore and McSwain. Hopefully, one establishes themself. 10mins to Hartman.guys an animal

  • Sghoosier

    Two months ago, we were expecting that next season (with the same kids) to be a disaster, poor recruiting. Now with the same kids, but with Archie, we see a Sweet16 team?

    He is a good coach but aint a miracle worker.

  • We should have had a sweet sixteen team this year, but the coaching wasn’t there.

  • BannerOrBust

    Priller won’t be playing

  • david r

    ESPN always seems lower than others on our recruits. Like I need another reason to hate the Evil Empire. Thanks for the rankings post though. “Archie! Archie!, Archie!”

  • Koko

    If you add in Durham, Smith & Moore this team is not the same
    team as last year.

  • KelvinSampson87

    I believe the comment was sweet 16 talent. 6 four star recruits 4 and a steady senior leader in Hartman is without out a doubt sweet sixteen talent (not considering JBJ and TB).

    Only time will tell if we can convert talent to results as I also said in my initial comment..

  • Outoftheloop

    This could be a very good “under the radar” class. Get them settled, in the gym, in the weight room, etc., and start developing!