Updated: Class of 2017 Indiana basketball recruiting board

  • 06/30/2016 9:19 am in

The first of three July evaluation periods begins next week and we’ve updated our 2017 recruiting board with the latest national rankings from all of the major services, updated school lists, new video and much more.

Check out our latest 2017 Indiana basketball recruiting board at the link below:

2017 Indiana basketball recruiting board

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  • Bill Graham

    Before I dive in with my comments on recruiting I’ll make a short and simple post.

    Excellent work by Alex and the ITH staff. Comments and participation have been soaring on the site lately. That is extremely rare for summer let alone for time periods where recruiting is temporarily closed and scholarships are filled.

    Excellent work gentlemen.

  • ArghSonOfOhCrap

    I will second that… I love the recruiting stuff and when I am talking basketball with non-IU fans they think I am nuts because of how much I know about our recruits. Credit to ITH crew for that they keep me informed.. When they ask why I want to know I simply say “It’s Indiana”

  • WhatsUpKnight2.0

    wow, michael porter. a top 10 who actually doesn’t have duke, jerKS, UNCheaters, or pUKe on his list. i love him already!

  • Kyl470

    His dad just got hired as an assistant coach at Washington so don’t get your hopes up.

  • RDD#76

    Plus his brother a 2018 commit has already committed to Washington

  • WhatsUpKnight2.0

    ok, so you two are assuming he likes his brother and dad! and dang it, why can’t CTC hire someone’s relatives once in a while!

  • WhatsUpKnight2.0

    so here’s the current crystal ball breakdown

    wilkes: 67% iu, 17% pUKe (read an article that pUKe has prioritized other players ahead of him. must be nice)
    scruggs: 75% iu, 25% xavier
    malik: 100% msu
    bamba: 86% dook, 14% pUKe
    waters: 73% dook, 27% uconn
    coleman: 83% tx, 17% iu
    jaren: 100% maryland
    tucker: 92% cuse, 8% iu
    richards: 100% dook
    syd: 100% st johns
    j.smith: 50% stanford, 50% illinois (i’m amazed anyone still wants to play there!)
    platek: 86% unc, 14% rutgers (tough decision between those two evenly matched schools!)
    diallo: 90% pUKe, 10% uconn
    randolph: 100% ul
    weatherspoon: 100% miss st
    garza: 83% ul, 27% iowa
    porter: 100% washington
    beatty: 100% uconn

    obviously still a long way to go, but not getting a warm and fuzzy from this list. we’re the favorite for only a couple, and KW would go to pUKe in a heartbeat if they offered. that’s the impression i’m getting anyway.

  • Ole Man

    And we’re gonna need another big man because TB is almost assuredly gone.

  • Jay Skibbe

    NO pUKe, makes him a class act rite off the bat !!!

  • Jay Skibbe

    at least still better than pUKe

  • WhatsUpKnight2.0

    no doubt they’ve got a lot of work to do. the question moving forward will be is this program going to have to rebuild every two or three years? or reload every year? it better be the latter if it’s going to be considered elite.

  • WhatsUpKnight2.0

    darn right jay!

  • jimmygoiu

    He did, and we ended up with Jurkin and Perrea wow. HyperCrean has to slow down and go for the best!

  • Piker

    We will likely have to fill 3 spots for 2017 unless we have a transfer or two. AJ takes one. Wilkes takes another. Hopefully #3 is a big. Reload programs replace whole teams. I would rather do something inbetween. I think TC is getting there.

  • SilentBob

    Indeed, but how good of one? Looking like Davis will be here for at least two years. And Juwan, although not a center, looks to be a four year player. Obviously the better, the better lol. But I don’t think we need someone nescarily as good as say Garza. On the other hand, with Collin and possibly OG leaving the year after Williams, adding a player like Wilkes is huge.

  • SilentBob

    My bad Bamba. I thought Garza was highly rated but was incorrect lol. Shows what I know

  • RDD#76

    Ok to funny but I think he is a half brother or step brother so maybe he doesn’t like him

  • Chi-Town Hoosier

    Scruggs and Wilkes would be a great start!

  • N71

    Appreciate the research. I’ve been watching crystal ball for a season or two and there are guys like Wilkes (i.e. DeRon Davis) who we make a priority and usually, but not always, get. Then there’s opportunity situations where we move in late but hard and present a case that due to some departures new and exciting opportunities exit, I’m thinking Bryant would be a good example but I could be off. For 2017 Wilkes and Scruggs seem like our priorities which is a class that would be nothing to sneeze at, setting aside Durham. Then we’ve got ongoing dialogues with a handful of others and could make a hard push for Tucker for example and close the gap quickly. Its a strategy we’ve been using it seems that’s not really reflected in how crystal ball depicts things. At this point in time our stable of talent is really strong and balanced in my opinion. We have size, wings, and guards at various stages of development and age.

  • Arch Puddington

    Why the name calling? Not sure why you think it is acceptable to say things that would get a third-grader in trouble at school, but it does nothing but drag these discussions down.

    And in case you hadn’t noticed, all the top recruits in Indiana and multiple 5 star recruits from out of state are on this list. Unless you think there are some 6 star recruits out there somewhere, these are “the best.”

  • Bill Graham

    Crystal Ball is fickle sometimes (like my ex wife). It changes and switches on a dime. For example we were heavy favorites with Goodluck and Richardson and then a week or two before their announcements it switched accordingly to UNLV and Syracuse….Unless the predictors have access to information which we don’t their guesses are simply based on what they read. For example I can google “Kris Wilkes recruiting,” and get a slew of articles from a year back to now and “stalk” the kid on twitter and then make an guess….but that’s still speculative at best…However, I will note that some (not all) of these predictors have access to information that we don’t.
    -sidenote: the one that ticks me off the most is Jackson going to Maryland. Dude has a million offers. He could go represent his hometown and play for Butler. Represent his state and the glory of the game itself and play at IU. Or He could represent the origin of the game and play at Kansas. But he wants to go to Maryland….to what? Be a stupid turtle turgeonite on the 16th Ugliest Campus in America??….makes 0 sense.

  • ForeverIU

    I wonder how many schollys we’ll have open, and we’ve already committed to Al Durham. I’m guessing we’ll have three other schollys. That’s two for Wilkes and Scruggs. Then we need a center like Ole Man said. FWIW, another thing to look at are the “warm” and “cold” designations of a player’s recruitment on 247. I’m thinking “warm” means we’re still very actively pursuing a player, and the player has shown interest and is responding to our efforts. Nick Richards and Malik Williams are both “warm”, but I hope we’ll add more offers at center.

  • Bill Graham

    Here’s my question and it slightly applies to recruiting…just not our recruiting.

    How is it possible that “he who should not be named,” can make some illegal phone calls and our program is shattered for years? BUT UNC and UofL can offer fake classes and girls to their recruits and yet they are still ranked in the top 10 for next year!!!???

    And its not a “oh well the NCAA will eventually punish them…” Why not now? The year after captain sabotage left, our program immediately deteriorated. Yet…UofL and UNC are still in the top 10 and its been almost 2 years since UNC was found out.

    -How can the NCAA sit back and let these programs retain their elite status while we had to completely rebuild? If I was Fred Glass I’d be furious.

  • Arch Puddington

    Here is my response:

    The NCAA is equal parts corruption and incompetence. It exists for one reason only: to protect the financial interests of the schools, administrators, and coaches it purports to oversee. I would call it the Barney Fife of governing bodies, but Barney Fife was a man of integrity. The NCAA does not care about academic fraud or prostitutes. It cares about its multi-billion dollar stream of revenue, and if Louisville, UNC, Baylor, or any other blatant offender is ever actually punished, it will have nothing to do with ethics or rules violations. It will have everything to do with public relations and the need to keep up certain appearances so that a) the TV contracts keep getting bigger, and b) they can maintain the fiction of “amateurism” that allows them to keep the revenue away from the players.

  • I honestly have no idea, so just guessing. But does it have anything to do with how the relevant universities have responded? Did IU accept the charges, take their medicine, and move on, while other universities fight things in court? I agree, it’s ridiculous and horribly wrong, but I can’t imagine the NCAA is just brazenly demonstrating favoritism and just simply getting away with it. That would be way to transparent for the sports media to ignore.

  • I hear you, but that raises another question: why aren’t these two issues public relations nightmares for both schools (and the NCAA)? How does it happen, exactly? Why isn’t there some young up-and-coming journalist looking to make a name and going after these programs?

    Honestly, it’s all a mystery to me.

  • Arch Puddington

    The answer, I think, lies in this: what do UL, UNC, and Baylor all have in common? They win, and I think that a high percentage of sports fans are more than willing to look the other way when teams win. Even now there are supporters of Joe Paterno at Penn State, and there is a movement amongst prominent Baylor donors to bring back Art Giles. I remember when Jim Tressel had been caught more less red-handed with some transgressions at Ohio State, including blatantly lying to his bosses. I watched the press conference he and the university president, Gordon Gee, held together, and Gee not only defended Tressel’s integrity, he famously said “I just hope he doesn’t fire ME.” Everyone laughed, but I saw it as just another example of the way big-money athletics can pervert entire institutions.

    And while I share your sense that IU was punished disproportionately compared to other institutions, let’s face it: the sanctions were only part of the reason we collapsed. Syracuse has been hit harder than we were, but is surviving just fine because a) their hall of fame coach is still there, b) they aren’t at the end of a nearly 20 year run of mediocrity (or worse), and c) they are still attractive to top recruits because their reputation for sending guys to the NBA is intact. Much the same is true of SMU, which has also survived a recent round of sanctions.

    IU’s program had already fallen so far by the time of our sanctions that there just wasn’t a lot left to prop things up. About all we had was some past glory and a strong fan base, and then we hired a man who already had some black marks on his resume. The other programs we have discussed are all in MUCH stronger condition than IU was at the time of “textgate”, in particular when it comes to the stature of their coaches.

  • E Foy McNaughton

    For the life of me, I don’t know why anyone would want to board the train-wreck at lllinois. Stanford I get.

  • Bill Graham

    To be honest I was starting to refute your point about us being on the downslide before KS was bought out…but your right. KS had no longevity established….Gordon and White went pro Stemler graduated and Bassett and Ellis were kicked off of the team. Not to mention that the incoming recruiting class was shaky at best…It appears that our demise was more of a KS thing not an NCAA thing….Its just baffling how none of the coaching staff saw the longevity issue… UofL and UNC have survived because they have replacements in place (even if they get schollys docked)…We didn’t

  • Bill Graham

    or play in that hideous monstrosity they refer to as the State Farm Center….even jake won’t go to games at that eye sore.

  • Ole Man

    No way JM can spend any long minutes at center. I still shudder at the memories of having to use CH at center.

  • Can’t really argue with that. I wish I could, but at the moment I have no counter.

  • Kyl470

    KS had a strong recruiting class coming in, but they did not go to IU once he was fired. KS was building the program back on the court, but the team was not doing so hot off the court. If KS was still here we probably would end up like UConn and getting a one year ban from the tournament because of our academic standing.

  • inLinE6

    And Jordan Crawford transferred too.

  • SilentBob

    Agreed upon. I’m just saying, the rebounding and defense Juwan should provide as a 3rd and 4th year player at the 4, along with a sophomore Davis should help minimize the stress of getting one of the absolute best big men in the country in 2017. Don’t get me wrong, I will be thrilled if we do. But the sooner we get a wing this class, the sooner I can start to feel at ease about it lol.

  • IU Hoosiers # 34, 1979-83

    Hello Bill. I believe that what you stated is and has been everyone else’s thoughts on the NCAA matter and penalties with other schools vs IU’s. My belief is that everything derived in the investigation and penalty process is due to the relationship each school has with the NCAA. I strongly think Myles Brand wanted IU to be penalized the way it went down. I still believe to this day that he was rewarded the president position of the NCAA due to his desire to have IU penalized the way we were.

  • IU Hoosiers # 34, 1979-83

    Good point. Really good point because JM really struggled offensively. I can never see him at center. Has to be Deron Davis after TB leaves. God, after posting this what a nightmare it would be if Deron leaves after one year. Happy July 4th Ole Man.

  • marcusgresham

    Love hearing the ITH guys on local radio down here in the southern part of the state. Pretty much every local show is U of L (and it’s even worse than that because sometimes you get scintillating interviews like the Louisville women’s field hockey coach–no, I’m not exaggerating,) but there’s one hour a day that has a show about IU/Indiana sports (well, it runs from 11-12 and they re-air it at 3:00.) Sometimes they have Alex or one of the other guys. I try to take lunch around 11 to hear some of it.

  • marcusgresham

    Bamba should play for Alford. I mean, c’mon, he’d be (UC)LA Bamba!

  • marcusgresham

    AJ? You mean AD–Aljami Durham?

  • marcusgresham

    I can’t understand why top-tier wings wouldn’t be dying to play for Tom Crean. If he can take guys like Oladipo and Anunoby and make them NBA-caliber players why wouldn’t a high recruit think “damn, wonder what he could do for me?”

  • marcusgresham

    It sounds hideous.

  • Piker

    Yes Marcus I posted then I said to myself why did I say AJ instead of AD. I could think of many reasons but at my age I try not to. Just hoping to hear from the crowd how they feel about number of spots for 2017. I just get the feeling these guys TC is getting are in for the long haul and we may only have 3 most 4 spots…..so one gone 2 or 3 left. I hope it’s Wilkes and a big. Plus just wanted to say I like TC game plan with recruits….Seems he wants the 3s he thinks are 4 and the 4s and sprinkle a 5 in here and there. I don’t want the one and done mass exodus that some folks think is an elite program.

  • Ole Man

    Thanks, #34. And a Safe and Happy 4th to you as well!

  • Ole Man

    It’s not always about basketball development.
    These are 17 and 18 year olds. They’re easily swayed by campus girls, “perks” that alumni guarantee, ego massaging (which CTC doesn’t really do), and a lot of other factors.

  • Bricklayer

    Great analogy, probably the best explanation I’ve heard on the subject.

  • SilentBob

    I’m gonna have to agree with the Ole Man on this one. And then add on, maybe that should make a difference when a kid is down to us and idk Ohio State, BUT…. Let me take off my tin foil hat here and put aside my hatred for Coach Cal… If I was a kid in there shoes, looking at the success UK or Duke has had, best believe I’m listening to them first.

  • IUMIKE1

    You’re right seems like the stations we can get would rather interview the water boy from a past inter-mural team before broadcasting something IU related. What station has this little ray of sunshine?

  • IUMIKE1

    Well put, especially the very first sentence.

  • IUMIKE1

    I don’t think we’re fully past it either, in fact if I’m totally honest with myself, I’d say the place we’re looking for isn’t just over the next small hill either. Things seem to have taken a more positive direction over the last couple of years, but I’ll be looking behind the coach, players and bench next season to determine if it is the “facade” or if things truly are as they appear to be.

    Excellent comments on this subject, couldn’t agree more ! Journalist ?? LOL