Draft combine roundup: Williams struggles to boost stock at combine

  • 05/16/2016 10:03 am in

The NBA draft combine wrapped up on Saturday in Chicago and it appears that Troy Williams did little to help himself move up into a guaranteed spot in next month’s draft according to most accounts.

The 6-foot-7 forward was listed as one of 11 guys by DraftExpress.com that should return to school next season and one of the “losers” from the event by CBSSports.com.

Here’s what DraftExpress had to say:

The Indiana junior showed both Thursday and Friday that he’s a ways away from being a player an NBA head coach can trust in live action. As has been the case for his entire career, he’s extremely wild with the ball and has very little discretion as a decision maker. He drives into the paint with no plan and jacks up early threes in transition without conscience. He’s a great athlete with good size and will make an occasional three, but Williams’ decision making is still a major work in progress, even at age 21. His best option is to return to school, study the game and try to slow himself down while becoming a more reliable shooter.

And here’s the scoop from Sam Vecenie at CBSSports.com:

Instead of trying to show scouts he can play within an offense and make good decisions, Williams was his wildly unpredictable self. He was out on the floor chucking shots with abandon, not particularly looking for teammates and generally tried to do too much. He also didn’t test at the elite level athletically many around the league anticipated and has relatively short arms.

There’s definitely a player within his package of skills but he must get his more wild tendencies under control. But right now, it’s tough to see a team investing a draft pick in him.

Additionally, Chad Ford of ESPN.com listed Williams on his “all-go-back-to-school” team. From ESPN Insider:

So who’s on the All-Go-Back-To-School Team? Maryland’s Melo Trimble, Wisconsin’s Nigel Hayes, Purdue’s Caleb Swanigan, Kentucky’s Marcus Lee, Memphis’ Dedric Lawson and Indiana’s Troy Williams all are at risk of not getting drafted. All of them struggled this week.

Unless they want to spend the next year in the D-League or Europe, they should go back to college. All of them have enough talent to improve their draft stock with another year of school.

The question, of course, is: Will any of this matter when it comes down to decision making time for Williams?

The Hampton, Virginia native has three workouts scheduled this week for NBA teams, including the Indiana Pacers on Tuesday. The deadline to withdraw from the draft is Wednesday, May 25.

Indiana coach Tom Crean said recently that he expects Williams to be in the draft and at the combine, Williams talked as if going to the D-League will not be a deterrent.

“It’s not going to kill my pride or anything like that if I have to go to the D-League,” Williams told WDRB.com. “That will make me work even harder.”

Indiana, with the addition of 2016 junior college forward Freddie McSwain, is at 13 scholarship players for next season not including Williams.

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  • Outoftheloop

    Right on!

  • You’re right, that is an ‘ouch’. That is a lot of talented bodies to replace. While, I don’t think they ever got it together chemistry-wise.. They definitely had some talent on that team.

  • Outoftheloop

    Only for undergrads! Hoosh is right, no one tells a graduate program how to operate!

  • Outoftheloop

    It will be more interesting to see what our roster looks like!

  • Outoftheloop


  • Outoftheloop

    He may not like the demands of working as a student on the academic side. I know many students who would opt out of college and take a good job in sales, technology, etc. before 4 years if it was there!

  • Outoftheloop

    WOW! That is low. Teaching looks like a better career! Teach and coach and make $40,000+.

  • INUnivHoosier

    Gotcha. I thought he had already graduated since he walked, but I get that you can opt to walk early if you are on track for an off-time graduation.

    I’m currently in the “hope he comes back, but think he won’t” camp. College isn’t easy, and having even a light course load may outweigh the facilities and coaches that he’d gain by being in college, even at IU.

    I hope he’s got some smart people around him that really care about his future, and I hope that he is using them to help him make a good decision. He’s got a pretty tight turnaround for what is a really big decision.

    I’m glad I’m not in his shoes right now in that regard.

    (Edited. I made it sound like IU had poor facilities and coaches. I was trying to say the opposite.)

  • Me cry for the owners? No way. Personally, I really am not a fan of the NBA. IN fact this time of year, I would watch a Cubs baseball game before I’d watch an NBA Playoff game.. However, now that the Thunder has shown the ability to beat the Warriors.. I might just catch a little bit of that series.. I have never watch more than a couple of minutes of any D-League game.. It is about as boring as you can get.. I have absolutely no interest in any of the teams, so I could care less about it. That’s just me though. People who are basketball ‘crazies’, and watch it like it I guess… Not me.

  • Dave Carnes

    As a fan of a team you are supposed to have opinions.If you are interested in something I hope you have a opinion.Saying Troy makes repeated poor decisions is analysis.Saying he often plays like an idiot now that is a put down.

  • Outoftheloop

    Yes nonsense! But not as you lay it out Ole. Both OG and DeRon will average more minutes/game than Troy. OG at 3-4 and sometimes 5; Troy at 2-3-4; and DeRon at 4-5 and sometimes 3. Remember that Collin will get 18-20, James and Robert 25+ each, Josh and Curtis 18-20. And Thomas as many as he can handle 25+. There are only 200 minutes/game! Everyone who plays takes minutes away from Troy!

  • I’ve been away from the board for awhile since the season ended, very busy in other things at the moment. But I’ll jump in and make my second post in weeks to agree with you on this one. I’m big on attitude and its impact on a player’s overall contribution, and I’m tending in your direction. Not a knock against TW, but I think McFly is going to be a very good player for us, without glaring weaknesses like TW’s decision-making and turnovers.

  • Dialogos68

    To Troy’s credit his broad skill set makes his decision scope much more complex than other players… Most players have a skill set that puts them in the post or out on the perimeter, but Troy has so much potential in various areas that he needs more time to organize his skills and decision making properly… Hopefully he will return for his senior season and be all the better next year.

  • Outoftheloop

    That can be said about any player who starts! A cheap shot.

  • ForeverIU

    You are sinister!

  • ForeverIU

    We lost to UNC is all I know. He missed a few 3s at the beginning of that game that really got us in hole that was hard to get out of. But I don’t blame him; I blame Crean for having him play a perimeter game. He had a really nice stretch at the end of his freshman year. I certainly hope you’re right that his game is on an upward trend, and especially if he comes back. But my general feeling is that Troy has hit a ceiling with his game. His ceiling would help us win a lot of games, but not the grind-it-out single elimination tourney games in which mistakes are very hard to recover from. In those types of games with top competition, it’s not only important that your game averages out well, but that it is also consistent. TW just isn’t that type of player IMO. I think McFly will be that type of player.

  • ForeverIU

    LOL. Did you get your passive-aggressive fix? Your post above about TW is as demeaning as it gets. Real nice of you to say he “refuses to apply what people are trying to teach him”. Were you at practice to know what he is being coached to do? LOL. At least my post was clear enough to get deleted. Your post just hides behind the article you read. It’s like throwing eggs from behind the guy throwing the punches.

  • ForeverIU

    Wrong! Not every player has JBJ’s history of injuries.

  • Ole Man

    ROFL! Please share your “meds”.
    DD does not get more minutes than TW. And DD never plays the 3.
    OB gets about the same as Troy.
    Curtis doesn’t get 18-20 and neither does Josh, unless he’s stealin them from James and Robert.

  • Ole Man

    You just said yourself that McFly is an unknown.
    Davis is a freshman and has to grow. Remember the growth that Bryant had to experience?
    Juwan hasn’t shown consistency, yet. And no way he’s ahead of Troy in ball handling, shooting, and decision making.
    OG isn’t there, yet; but has the most potential of the group.

  • Ole Man

    This “fires 3s early in the shot clock” is like a fish story — it’s growing exponentially to what really happens. Troy averaged like 2. whatever 3s per game people. Tell ya what. List all the games he was firing away from behind the 3 point line.
    His shooting % was .513, second among the starters.
    Crean praised him for his defensive effort and especially for his work within the team concept.

  • Ole Man

    I told you why it was nonsense.
    Let me add to that Crean’s loyalty to his older players.
    And Troy hasn’t hit his ceiling yet as a ball player.
    What makes you think he won’t improve?

  • SeeingRed

    I agree — coming back at this point at age 21 seems like a bit of surrender and weakness. I don’t think he will. He clearly wants to move on, and more power to him if he takes what looks like could be a rocky road.

    The odds are he is going to be cashing checks in Europe, one way or the other. He will make a nice living playing ball, just not like he had hoped.

  • Sarasota Hoosier

    So D-league pays about $20-$25k per season. Troy can be idolized at the greatest university in the country, play in front of 18K crowds, have a chance at national championship, and perhaps turn into a Valentine/Heild senior. The year of grad school at IU is worth much more than $25k. Seems like a no brainer.

  • MikeinNC

    Troy should go pro, even if it means the D-league or ending up on a lousy team in Scotland.

    By age 21, some things can be changed, and some things that are hardwired. New skills can be learned, but a lot about your attitude and emotional intelligence is pretty well set.

    Troy is who he is, and the limitations on his game relate to poor decision making abilities and an inability to consistently manage his own emotions and mindset during a game.

    Another year with Crean at IU (especially minus Yogi being there to rein him in) will not likely change Troy. Troy will only change when he gets to rock bottom and is confronted with the fact that his basketball career is over if he doesn’t change. He should go into the draft this year, and accept whatever happens – he needs to land in the D-league or end up in a weak international league and face hard reality. The sooner he does that, the better a chance he has of transforming his formidable skills into a player that the NBA can use.

    If Troy came back to IU next year, imagine how out of control he would be trying to showcase his mad skillzzzz to NBA teams….Crean hasn’t shown an appetite or ability to get him to change and there is not a clear strong leader on the floor who could do so.

    Go pro Troy, and godspeed young man!


    Not that my stamp of approval means anything, but very good comment.