Five takeaways from Indiana’s loss to Wisconsin

  • 01/27/2016 8:57 am in

Indiana’s 12-game winning streak is over. The Hoosiers fell to Wisconsin 82-79 in overtime on Tuesday night in Madison. They’re now 17-4 overall and 7-1 in Big Ten play.

Here’s a look at five takeaway from the loss to the Badgers:

· A loss? Yes. A bad loss? No. Once Indiana has a chance to go back and watch this game and dissect some of the mistakes that were made, the Hoosiers will surely want some of them back. That happens in any loss. And it’s difficult to win any game in which you turn it over on 25.3 percent of your possessions, which is the number Indiana finished with on Tuesday.

Yes, this was Indiana’s first conference loss and a game the Hoosiers definitely had chances to win. But just as folks weren’t ready to anoint Indiana a great team after it won 12 in a row and seven straight to begin league play, this loss shouldn’t be cause for major concern or panic.

Wisconsin has lost plenty of games already in the Kohl Center this season, but the Badgers have played just about every opponent tough in their building. Indiana played hard and played well in many stretches, but winning on the road against solid competition requires close to a complete 40-minute effort (or in this case, 45). Indiana didn’t do enough to win on Tuesday, but this is still a team that is growing and improving. One loss in a venue where the Hoosiers haven’t won since 1998 doesn’t change that.

· Yogi Ferrell carried Indiana offensively: Another game, another solid performance from Yogi Ferrell. On a night where his teammates weren’t making shots, Ferrell poured in a team-high 30 points. Indiana made a combined 32 3-pointers in wins over Illinois and Northwestern. Against Wisconsin, the Hoosiers made just seven 3s and Ferrell made five of them.

His 3-pointer late in regulation gave Indiana a chance to win if the Hoosiers would have been able to muster up a stop or keep Nigel Hayes off of the foul line. And even so, Ferrell gave Indiana a chance to win it in regulation, but missed a tough, awkward look after a drive down the left side of the lane.

But Ferrell did what a senior is expected to do in a tough road environment: He made tough shots and gave his team a shot to win. It’s hard to ask for much more than that.

· Crean calls free throw discrepancy a “head scratcher”: In his postgame comments, Indiana coach Tom Crean called the free throw discrepancy in the loss a “head scratcher.” It’s hard to disagree upon a closer examination of the numbers.

Wisconsin posted a season-high 77.1 free throw rate (FTA/FGA). The Badgers have now had three straight games in which their free throw rate has been over 70 percent, two of which came in the Kohl Center. The other was at Penn State, one of the worst teams in the league in terms of putting its opponents on the line.

Nigel Hayes attempted more free throws (22) than Indiana’s entire team (18) and the Hoosiers were outscored by 12 at the foul line.

· Indiana had no answer for Ethan Happ: The current Big Ten freshman of the week, Ethan Happ, might be on his way to winning the award again.

As well as Thomas Bryant played offensively – 5-of-8 FG, 6-of-6 FT for 16 points – he couldn’t contain Happ. Indiana didn’t bring much help and let Bryant play Happ straight up. Wisconsin’s redshirt freshman went off for 25 points.

“He’s got to play defense with some confidence,” Ferrell said of Bryant. “He’s got to play defense like he has no help, like we’re not going to come down and dig for him. He’s got to do a better job of arm-baring, because you can do that now. Just got to do a better job of knowing what the offensive man is going to do and hold his ground and just play some defense.”

· Unsung contributors step up for Badgers: On a night when Bronson Koenig shot 1-of-9 from the field and finished with just four points, Wisconsin had role players who came up big.

Vitto Brown, who was averaging just 4.7 points in Big Ten play, scored nine.

But the bigger factor was Jordan Hill, who entered Tuesday averaging 2.9 points on 30.8 percent shooting in conference play. Hill scored 13 points on 5-of-5 shooting from the field, including two difficult 3-pointers.

(Photo credit:  Mary Langenfeld-USA TODAY Sports)

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  • vicbert caladipo

    First off it’s vicBERT! I won’t ream you cuz you are one of the nice ones and I want revenge on those arrogant runner-up rodents.

  • cooper

    Who exactly do you blame the loss on then?

  • cooper

    very true…the way to defeat a Crean team is to play zone and beat the hell out of the players physically. IU is a finesse team. There isn’t one banger on the roster. Instead of wasting scholarship on the typical 12th man we do, I’d like to see someone with some toughness who will bang and not give up easy points

  • calbert40

    You can bring up whatever you’d like, Vic. Equally, if I disagree, I may choose to point it out. It’s all good!! I just don’t think that previous results have any bearing on whether this was a good or bad loss.

  • IU Hoosiers # 34, 1979-83

    Got it and thanks.LOL! See you at the IU Ncaa game. My son promised to go with me. First brew on me.

  • NC Hoosier

    Definitely a finesse team that struggles against zones and/or physical play. Wisconsin always forces us to play their game.

  • IU Hoosiers # 34, 1979-83

    Vic, I still can’t believe that the foul ratio against Wisconsin was 2:1.

  • Hoosier_1158

    Hard to believe the B1G conference doesn’t have any concerns regarding the foul discrepancy?

  • IU Hoosiers # 34, 1979-83

    Right on!!!

  • I couldn’t agree with you more.. The ‘bad’ Troy act is really getting old after watching the same crap for three years.. I know coach does sit him sometimes, but in my estimation not nearly often enough. There are a lot of guys on here that seem to think the good Troy kind of outweighs the bad.. Me I think the first ‘bonehead’ play he makes he should sit.. possibly even the rest of the half.. or the game as far as that is concerned, depending on when it occurs. It seems tome that he does it right when we’re trying to build a little cushion or we’re trying to close the gap..in other words right when we need it most, he does something stupid and we lose that opportunity.. Not only does it have to be demoralizing for the team, but it can be a real momentum spoiler.. I don’t know, but I for one will not be disappointed to see him leave for the NBA this year.. Personally I wish he had gone last year. maybe I’m just reacting, because I really thought he would be different this year, but he will never be different. He just doesn’t get it.. or doesn’t have the skills to get it.. He keeps trying to do something he just can’t do.. But he keeps trying.. Detrimental to the team overall.. possibly even as much as JBJ’s lack of defense seems to have been.

  • It’s a ream effort.. Turnovers be several certainly was a big factor.. It’s on the players.. But as well as Yogi played.. consider this.. Yogi had two shots (one at the end of regulation, one at end of OT), either of which had they fallen, we win this game. Yogi could’ve won this thing.. but he didn’t. Just think how many times that has happened throughout his career here. I know, he’s scored a lot, he’s had a tom of assists.. But so darned many times with the game on the line and we need that one shot for the ‘W’.. he usually takes that shot.. He has missed a ton of those opportunities.. The game he was having, you would think he would’ve laso had the game winner.. But when put in that position, he more often comes up empty than not. It has happened so many times throughout his career.. He seems to play just well enough to lose.. Quite often ‘close losses’, but losses just the same. Great teams make those shots. Good teams make them once in a while.

  • still tied for first, heading into the weekend

  • their team last year was much better and much more fun to watch. an aberration for that program unlikely to be repeated.

  • I thought there was a lack of good ball movement the entire game. They couldn’t stop Yogi from scoring, but they stopped him from assisting others in scoring. Poor passing and turnovers was the key to their win and IU’s loss.

  • great call, shouldn’t be forgotten

  • IUMIKE1

    Correct. Excellent comment.

  • IUMIKE1

    One glaring example that immediately comes to mind in the UW game, and others as far as that goes, is our refusal to use a simple bounce pass when trying to pass into the post. It’s not hard you tell them that the next one that feeds the post with something other than a bounce pass, and the defender even touches the ball, is going to come to the bench for some reflection. It’s not like making a bounce pass instead of a chest pass requires some special kind of skills set that has to be learned over a number of years, or shouldn’t at this point in their bball careeer. Yes TB needs to do a better job of sealing his man when posting up, but at the same time the rest of the team could do a much better job of getting the ball to him and it could be accomplished by something as simple as using a bounce pass.

    Doing something as simple as utilizing a shot fake would also be something really easy that could help this team. I guess what it boils down to is that IMHO when one talks about a TC coached team fundamentals aren’t going to be the brightest spot. UW, as usual, and as bad as I hate to admit it, are pretty sound fundamentally. They have to be with the gap that they usually have when it comes to raw talent, but good fundamentals makes ANY team better. I”m not saying that TC’s teams have no fundamentals or are really bad, but rather they aren’t going to win any accolades for fundamentals and, again IMHO, a few simple things like those two and others could go a whole lot further than what some people realize in making this team noticeably better. The little things add up, especially when those little things are the basic fundamentals. I guess going on and on about something as boring as fundamentals is my way of getting back into the coach’s seat without having to do all the other stuff that comes along with being the coach. lol Oh well, anyway, lecture over. lol

  • IUMIKE1

    Your view is well laid and out and explained, and not just because I pretty much see it the same way.

  • IUMIKE1

    You are right sometimes the coach is forced to do some things other than the way that they would prefer to do them. I do not profess to speak for Rie, but I think the point he is making, or at least one of them anyway, is that it isn’t a one time, one year or one team thing, but that it seems his teams having a high TO average is the norm much of the time rather than the exception, and I agree with him in that example, e.g. not a one or two time thing, it points to the man at the top and his priorities and/or his abilities.

  • IUMIKE1

    You are right, but I don’t know that ” some ” accurately describes the number of times UW did it and almost always got the call, especially Hayes. If the refs wanna call the type of game where the defense that was played on Hayes was a foul as often as it was is fine by me, just call that type of D a foul on both ends or not even completely even (home court differential expected) but with the blatant differential that it was called in this game is over the top “some”.

  • IUMIKE1

    Exactly, all I ask for from the refs is consistency.

    It’s like I told the ref in one of my team’s games. ” All I’m asking for is consistency, if you’re going to ref a bad game on one end then ref a bad game on the other end as well ” lol Got T’s up for stating my opinion, and while the reffing didn’t become perfectly even all of a sudden, it did become a whole lot closer to being that way.

  • IUMIKE1

    You mean he wasn’t ? Guess I got dizzy watching him make the circle from the left side, over to the foul line and back again.

  • IUMIKE1

    A friend of mine, that isn’t an IU fan first, but watches a ton of college bball made what I thought was a good point. He said he thinks that they get away with hooking the defender like they do because the refs are used to seeing the offensive player gain a much quicker and bigger advantage when they do it and the UW players are much slower and deliberate when they do it making it not so obvious, but still gain just enough of an advantage where they get a much higher percentage shot off. Makes sense to me.

  • IUMIKE1

    Correct. In the type of game that UW plays EVERY TO is much more of a factor than in almost all other games. You can almost take the number of TO’s in a UW game and add about a third more (maybe even more) to get what it would be like in another game when talking about the effect that the TO’s had on the outcome of the game.

  • IUMIKE1

    Or that running hook shot down the right side from 8 to 10 feet that he almost always shoots ATLEAST once a game.

  • BL

    Did you notice the facts regarding team stats I laid out above. It’s not true that high TO’s are a Crean norm. Fact is, TO’s were fine until TW came on the scene. Seems like TC has two choices: (1) continue to work with TW and hope he continues to improve and posts more low TO games or (2) bench him. What would you do?

  • BL

    You make good points about fundamentals that if employed would help TW. Question is – does TC teach fundamentals or not? I’ve seen others feed the post with a bounce pass. Also, no other player is as big a train wreck TO wise as TW. Is it coach or player? I guess when it comes to TW I’m saying player.

  • IUMIKE1

    I know exactly what play you are talking about. Right after that, when you thought you heard somebody screaming WTF, only it sounded like it was from miles away, yea, that was me. It looked almost like he intentionally turned his back and just said the hell with it, I’m heading back down to the offensive end of the court. Crean should have him doing some extra 17’s for just that one all by itself. Geeeeez !

  • IUMIKE1

    EGG…ZACT….LEE !!

  • IUMIKE1

    IUMIKE1 feverishly continues to hit the upvote button, but cannot get it to count more than one vote.

  • IUMIKE1

    Textbook example of how we would still be a better team if he was playing, but only if he was being used the correct way.

  • IUMIKE1

    I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that you have never coached and had direct contact with the refs during a game. There’s a reason that all of the most successful coaches do exactly that, it isn’t just them using it was a way to exercise their lungs. I have seen it make a difference first hand and have talked to numerous other coaches that also believe it can and does make a difference. Having said that, it has to be done in a certain way and at the right time, and to what degree it changes things will vary from one official to the next. As a coach you are looking for any and every little thing that can give your team a better chance to win the game and that part falls into the, can and almost always helps, category.

  • IUMIKE1

    He didn’t say that they should have been equal. The foul discrepancy is a freakin’ joke. I don’t expect it to be equal when playing on the road, or even really close to being equal, but the those numbers aren’t even in the same area code. If you think the fouls were even close to being called fairly your screen name fits you perfectly.

  • IUMIKE1

    Per your last paragraph, it gives the players the chance to beat Minny, and still not correct certain aspects of their game, in other words, we overwhelm them with our bench, athleticism, and playing at home rather than it being because we cleaned up some things. Doing that runs the risk of them rationalizing to themselves that letting some things happen at wisky didn’t cause them to lose the game cause if it had they wouldn’t have beat Minny like they did.

  • IUMIKE1

    Thanks for doing the research. I figured it was bad, but not that bad ! One can chalk a game like that here and there up to it being a rare thing or a one time thing, but with that much consistency there is plenty of room for a legitimate gripe.

  • IUMIKE1

    Ahhhh, you know you’re right. the way Hayes lowered his shoulders should have been a foul. I guess another way of looking at it is if they didn’t give Yogi the call because of that reasoning than Hayes shouldn’t have gotten a very large percentage of the calls he got. Can’t have it both ways.

  • IUMIKE1

    Nurse Ratchet ? It’ssss medication time people line up.

    Completely nonbasketball related, but do you know what future superstar had a very minor, almost no speaking role, in that great film ?

  • IUMIKE1

    Don’t agree with your comment 100%, but overall a good comment IMHO (of coarse that and 50 cents will get you a small bag of chips lol). Kudos to your dad, has to have made for some great trips down the ole IU bball memory lane. I was one of the biggest Crean supporters there was up until the last two or years or so. I’m not of the fire the bum right now group, but I have to admit, I’m on the fence right now and how this team finishes out the season will go a long way in how I view the, keep him or replace him, discussion. I’ve met him more than once and have talked to him at length, once at great length before he was even the coach at IU, and he seems to genuinely be a really nice guy that really cares about the players on AND off the court. Having said that it doesn’t mean that he is the only coach that can have those attributes and be more successful.

  • IUMIKE1

    I heard that as well. Skin cancer been there doing that.

    Best wishes to him in his treatment !

  • thrawnjan

    Would be a fun project for one of my students to go and dig through the data!

  • IUMIKE1

    If it was me, and obviously it’s not, I would speak with him privately and once AGAIN (cause something tells me that Crean has told him the following way more than once or twice) point out to him what a weapon he can be for us and just much he helps the team when he plays under control and lets the game come to him. I would also point out the flip side of that as well, how much he can hurt the team when he doesn’t play that way, or is on the court but just disappears for the most part, and that those things have been a reoccurring problem. I would be sure to tell him that he is going to start as usual and that he doesn’t have to worry about coming out the first little mistake he makes, but that he is going to have a short leash and if he doesn’t do what is being talked about he is going to become a uniformed assistant coach for a stretch, possibly a very long stretch, maybe even the rest of the game or at least until I was sure he had gotten the message. I would also reinforce that him doing those things is what helps everyone concerned, and him more so than anybody when it comes to his chances of playing at the next level. That might or might not work with Troy. You learn as a coach that every player has a button that when pushed will get you positive results and that every player needs their buttons pushed once in a while. It is incumbent upon the coach to know what each players button is, when to push it and how much to push it. Any way you cut it TW needs TC to push the right button at the right time and with the right amount of pressure, cause we are a hard team to beat when TW shows up and plays within himself. I’m not saying that he should be held to a standard of rarely ever making a mistake, but there is a big difference between how he plays a lot of the time and how he needs to play for him to be as big of a help to his team as he can.

    If you made it through all of that, remember you asked. lol

  • BL

    We’re not far off in our thinking. Regardless how it may come across, I’m not 100% sold on TC. I guess I have softened a bit with age but I’ve also learned to value patience. I just want to be as certain as possible before we tear it down and start over. For example, do you think the Browns might like to have Belichick back? Also, the grass is always greener … It’s funny how I here other coaches referred to glowingly but when I watch their games I come away feeling they are no better than TC. For example, in my view, Thad Matta’s game management skills leave a lot to be desired and he’s had a ton of talent to work with.

    I guess where I differ from many fans is my belief our struggles are not primarily caused by coaching deficiencies. I believe it’s our talent level, or a lack thereof. Funny because many view TC as a great recruiter. Consider our current team. Our best player is 6′ tall, RJ is slightly better than an average BIG guard, TW is well TW, CH is a nice player but athletically challenged, and TB is a freshman. Extremely hard for me to understand how we were ranked preseason top 15. Personally, I’d be very surprised if we made it to the round of sixteen. In fact, if OG and JM don’t get more involved, I’ll be shocked if we do.

    We have a NICE team and accordingly, if we crash and burn I’d have a hard time criticizing Glass if he made a change. Frankly, I don’t see that happening. That said, let’s say we finish 2nd, 3rd or 4th in the BIG and make it to the sweet 16. I would consider that a reasonable result given the talent level. What may surprise you, I still won’t be convinced TC is our man unless we head north from there. Now, IF we have a better roster next year and we play up to our talent, AND we follow that up with another top recruiting class, then I’ll feel like we’re truly headed in the right direction and and our AD’s patience will have been justified. Essentially, for me the number one priority for a successful coach at IU will be one that can recruit the talent that will give us a legitimate shot at being an elite BIG team year in and year out. I have no interest in pulling in a coach that appears to get the most out of his players but can’t legitimately compete for BIG championships because he can’t recruit the best talent (e.g. RMK’s last decade at IU).

  • BL

    I think you just described how most good coaches would handle it. Reflecting on past TC and player pressers, I believe TC has done this and maybe a bit more. Personally, I feel we’re running out of time when it comes to TW. If it were me, given the history, the next time he has a high TO game or ANY out right reckless plays, I’d sit him for the duration of the next game. Sometimes you’re hard on ’em; sometimes you love ’em; sometimes you simply hit ’em upside the head.

  • ForeverIU

    Anjelica Huston?

  • Tyler T

    I came here for the complaining about the officiating. Glad I am not the only one who was yelling at the refs!

  • IUMIKE1

    Find nothing to disagree with at all in your comment. Not being convinced that he is the man to take us north of finishing 3rd (give or take one either way) is not surprising me at all and is maybe where we see things the most closely. I feel like evaluating TC’s performance at the end of the season, with all legit factors considered, will have me more sure about where I stand with him moving forward than after any other season. As you can see by more than one of my comments, I enjoy the longer in depth and detailed reply/comment from others that aren’t on the extreme fringe of either side of the debate.

  • IUMIKE1

    Danny DeVito. lol Has maybe 3 or 4 lines the whole movie.

  • BL

    Agree. Good discussion.

  • ForeverIU

    Yeah, I remember him well from that movie, in fact so well that I had no idea he was the one with the minor role. I guess it speaks to his charisma as an actor. Need to go back and watch this classic.