POTB 088: On Emmitt Holt’s dismissal and its impact

  • 09/02/2015 12:40 pm in

Podcast on the Brink is back for a second episode this week with host Jerod Morris of The Assembly Call. The show is available each Wednesday during the offseason. You can access a full archive of episodes here.

In our second episode this week, Morris and Inside the Hall editor Alex Bozich are joined by Mike Miller of The Herald-Times to discuss the recent dismissal of Emmitt Holt.

Morris, Bozich and Miller discuss the following:

· Mike’s initial reaction to the dismissal
· Who made the ultimate decision to dismiss Holt
· What has changed in IU’s culture since the 2012-2013 season
· How losing Holt impacts IU’s ceiling for the upcoming season

And plenty more. As always, feel free to drop the show a note at jerod@assemblycall.com.

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  • PBzeer

    Since the Mailbag comments are closed, I’ll post this here (it being somewhat related to the podcast).

    There seems to be a collective amnesia to the simple fact that the only person that put Emmit Holt in this position, is Emmit Holt. He was already cited for alcohol last year, and chose to engage in activity that once again led to a citation for alcohol. His dismissal from the program wasn’t a matter of “zero tolerance”, as he already had a previous infraction. One can say the “punishment didn’t fit the crime”, but it is consistent with the prior dismissals. Blow your second chance, and you’re out.

  • Ole Man

    Collectively, the young man was guilty of drinking one beer in “two chances”.
    Overreaction.

  • Casey

    Take the alcohol out of the equation, he was influencing a freshman to drink, a freshman who is vital to IU this season. He displayed extremely poor leadership and on top of that was his second infraction. I really like Holt, usually don’t agree with Crean, but am proud Crean made this decision. It sets a tone for the other players as well that this stuff will not be tolerated and sets a message that leaders better start leading.

  • CEP

    To the rest of the country and civilized countries in the World, you seem out of your damn minds.

    Clinically insane.

    Also, if Thomas Robinson drinks one sip of beer or happens to be in a room, car, house where there is one person sipping one beer (the entire rest of his. college career) should he lose his scholarship and be kicked off the team/out of school?

    Sounds like a fun college experience for him.

    Crean became a sheep and went with what the peanut gallery thought he should do and kicked a player essentially out of school. We’re supposed to teach and support these kids, not throw them to the curb when the vultures are hungry.

  • Hoosier Hall

    I am totally not disagreeing with you because I’m still torn down the middle on this whole fiasco but Isn’t Crean pretty much “damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t”? I mean, this stuff continues to get the utmost attention in the national media and everyone expects some sort of reaction. I’m glad it isn’t me that has to make the call but if it was I probably would have went with a 5 or 6 game suspension. Kicking him off the team hurts not only Emmitt but the rest of the team. Again, I can’t say it was the wrong decision but jeez…

  • mharv2631

    Influencing a freshman to drink….. Oh come on, you think for a second that TB had never had a drink in his life..Please

  • twarrior87

    Just because he was there and a year older means he was “influencing” him? Do you really think that Holt was talking him into drinking?

  • ArghSonOfOhCrap

    I think you mean Thomas Bryant – So to answer your question yes TB should kicked off the team if their is another infraction. The point being is not that EH was drinking. The point is EH got in trouble based on his decisions. Players have to realize that they cannot disgrace the institution and leaders need to be leaders and not let that happen. IU is nationally recognized and the DD incident will not be forgotten regardless of who’s fault it was. The Indiana University known more for Education than BB – So the Athletics cannot be permitted embarrass the institution. I really like EH he was one of my favorite players but it is what it is. EH getting kicked off the team can only be blamed on EH.

  • twarrior87

    The decision making on punishment from the top is starting to get a little Goodell-ish.

    Holt was ticketed for consumption last year and had the BAC equivalent to drinking about 1 beer. He then was caught “possessing” not “consuming” alcohol the following year. Where really what we know is that he was in a car where there was alcohol.
    He then faced the same punishment as someone who was arrested for a DUI and then later busted smoking week in a freaking dorm room. He also faced the same punishment as someone who was drunk and ran in front of a car causing life threatening injuries. Then got busted smoking weed in a freaking dorm room.

    Let’s not forget that in all of this Holt consumed one, maybe two beers at the most. Then was caught in a car where alcohol existed, but was not being consumed.

    It just seems to me that Holt’s infractions were extremely minor compared to the HMP and DD’s infractions that go them booted.

  • twarrior87

    A college kid embarrassing an institution by “possessing” alcohol? Are you listening to what you’re saying? Did you go to college? Did you or anyone you know embarrass the school by underage drinking? Its not like these guys stole crab legs, beat up someone, or raped a girl.

  • ArghSonOfOhCrap

    Actually I graduated from IU. Are you listening to what you are saying. A kid almost died due to an alcohol related incident and there have been multiple instances of alcohol related incidents for a program. These kids are held to a much higher standard and are under the microscope day in and day out. Despite all of the attention that EH received last year he did something that he should have known was wrong. To compound things he placed a 5 Star Freshman in bad situation – very bad judgment on his part. Yes I fully understand what I am saying.

  • Casey

    Sorry, what I meant was a influence. Holt might not have been influencing him to drink but he sure in the heck wasn’t dissuading him. What the IU team seems to be missing are leaders at the player level and the ability to police their own.

  • Casey

    Which is why I never stated influenced TB to take his FIRST drink of alcohol.

  • Ole Man

    How do you know he wasn’t there to “baby-sit” him, like a good teammate would?

  • twarrior87

    What did EH do last year that he knew was wrong? Drink a beer? It sounds like he was the sober driver. DD running in front of his car was not his fault. If EH was responsible enough to not get drunk like everyone else in his car was last year that sounds to me like he was actually doing something right.

  • Casey

    Cause they got in trouble for possessing alcohol. Have you seen the story?

  • Ole Man

    Yep.
    Wonder how much of that was protecting Hanner who is on probation in Indiana.
    Being caught with booze would have blown it totally for him.

  • sheldogiu

    To me this is such a waste of resources, time, sweat, tears, and a good player. Tongue in cheek 🙂 How much of this is due to the social media being EVERYWHERE. Again, not saying it’s right, but how many kids on other college campuses everywhere were drinking and driving or had Alcohol?? This happens everywhere, doesn’t get reported, and all the high and mighty IU fan’s/Grad’s think that kicking this kid off the team is a good thing..
    How much of this is due to the fact that this mountain could have been a mole hill? If CTC disciplined correctly earlier when the off court issues started, would any of this have even happened at all?
    1. I get sick of reading bad news concerning a team I cheer for.
    2. I get sick of hearing other teams fan’s take shots at IU because of this, for which their teams/institutions would do nothing if in the same situation. (But of course I can’t say anything about that)
    3. I get sick of always just being 1 or 2 guys short of a good team because of stupid decisions of coaches and players.
    4. I get sick IU is a reality TV show will a bunch of snookies and “the situations”
    Alas I think we will do okay this year…provided we can score 90+ points a game and the opposing coaches have never heard of a zone defense 🙂

  • Lance76

    Exactly what I was thinking. Hanner likely can not be involved with alcohol since his driving offense on record. Good luck to all of them involved.

  • SilentBob

    How do you know he didn’t try to? And after realizing he couldn’t he thought it would be better to stay with them to make sure they didn’t do anything stupid like jump in front of a car?

  • Casey

    Certainly a possibility. But be honest, how likely do you think that scenario is? Especially considering Holt himself was charged with possession which I believe having alcohol in your system falls under that charge in Indiana.

  • Casey

    Very good point. I just read Hanner was in the car and I believe so was Juwan.

  • SilentBob

    No idea. Not saying he would of had a drink or two. But the fact he only blew a point .025 last year tells me he is probably a modest drinker when he does drink. And honestly we should be teaching our young men how to drink safely instead of being ignorant and expecting them not to drink at all in college. And modest drinkers are usually the ones being persuaded, not the other way around. Emmitt to me seems like a kid who walks a fine line of almost being loyal to a fault. He seems like a guy who would rather take the fall himself than snitch on teammates or friends

  • PBzeer

    Seems to me, they were all given a second chance not to screw up again. They all chose to throw away that second chance by once again engaging in unlawful behavior. By doing so, they effectively told the coaching staff and their teammates, that their desires were more important than the team. That they, not the team, came first. If that’s the type of players you want, you’re welcome to ’em..

  • PBzeer

    Since when is underage drinking “doing something right”?

  • Robert Stewart

    Omg, such a do gooder. Do you live in the real world?

  • PBzeer

    Yep, that’s where actions have consequences. Where when you’re part of a team, you put the team first, not yourself.

  • Robert Stewart

    But not where consequences fit the action, apparently. And to my point, your assuming that the rest of the team wasn’t/hasn’t done the same or worse. That’s the real world.

  • twarrior87

    Wow, you really think they are all on the same level because they are “unlawful”. So, basically rape, murder, weed, underage drinking, underage possession of alcohol… it’s all the same to you I guess.

  • ArghSonOfOhCrap

    And finding yourself in the same kind of situation again in less than a year.

    I loved EH as a player I thought he should have gotten more minutes last year. Nor do I think the incident was even bad but with all that has happened and EH doing something stupid I cannot blame CTC for cutting himhim.

  • ArghSonOfOhCrap

    One thing is fact… This whole situation just awful. ..

    I live in Southeastern Indiana so UK, UC, Xavier and Purdue fans are having a lot of fun bashing on IU.. Again and I hear it daily

  • PBzeer

    I would think it’s quite clear after the two earlier dismissals, that you only get a second chance, not a third, a fourth, a fifth, or however many you might think is appropriate for “minor” infractions.

    I’m not assuming anything about what the rest of the team has done, is doing, or will do. Because frankly, I don’t know. But “everybody does it” is not a valid excuse.

  • PBzeer

    No, what’s the same to me is, blow your second chance and you’re gone. First year at IU he starts the season suspended, now, you think he should stay and start his second season suspended. Maybe we could bring back Sampson as Asst in charge of discipline..

  • Robert Stewart

    Not much else to say. You believe that these infractions warrant being booted. I think that were both extremely minor and weren’t to the level of the punishment. Your a more right/ wrong guy than I am. I see more shades of gray.

  • twarrior87

    Agree with Robert… we just have a different way of looking at things. I see your point PBzeer, but I just see it in a different way.

  • PBzeer

    Let me ask the two of you a question. Should DD and HMP been dismissed? After all, the second infraction was just smoking a little weed and that’s no worse than alcohol (judging by the comments on this forum).