Indiana ranked 23rd in both polls

  • 01/19/2015 2:22 pm in

Following a 14-4 start overall and a 4-1 mark in Big Ten play, Indiana entered both the Associated Press and USA Today coaches top 25 poll this week at No. 23.

The Hoosiers received 93 points in the AP poll and 56 points in the coaches poll.

The highest vote for Indiana in the AP poll was at No. 18 by Cormac Gordon of the Staten Island (N.Y.) Advance. 35 of the AP voters did not rank the Hoosiers.

Joining Indiana in the AP poll from the Big Ten are Wisconsin (6), Maryland (13) and Iowa (25). Ohio State and Michigan State also received votes.

Indiana hosts Maryland on Thursday night at 9 p.m. ET.

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  • Hoosier4life67

    Just 2? I think we will be underdogs in 5 of the next 7.

  • Hoosier4life67

    Hope I’m wrong but that number will most likely only be there for this week. Lose to Maryland at home and the number will be gone.

  • Hoosier4life67

    According to ESPN IU is not on the bubble anymore with an 8th seed.

  • Arch Puddington

    Actually, the fact that Notre Dame is ranked so much higher than tends to show that Kenpom’s system accounts for that kind of imbalance just fine. His overall team rankings boil down to who has the greatest differential between there offensive efficiency and their defensive efficiency. Notre Dame’s offense averages 121.9 points per 100 possessions; its defense yields 100.5, a difference of 21.4. Indiana’s offense generates 114.5 and its defense yields 102.2 for a difference of 12.3. So while the spread between their rankings may seem similar at a glance, the spread between their actual efficiency is significant (in fact, Notre Dame is as much better than IU in that sense as IU is than #131 ranked Columbia).

  • Hoosier4life67

    I hope everyone is enjoying the number next to the name. Enjoy it cause there is a good chance it won’t be there next week. Our hoosiers are playing well and like I’ve said all year they are fun and exciting to watch. I hope I’m wrong but I wouldn’t bet a dollar on IU getting past Maryland. I only see 2 for sure wins if you can call them that in the next 7 games (Rutgers and Michigan). The other 5 games are going to be brutal and if we win 1 out of 5 of them games I would be very happy with the results as long as there were no more blow outs like MSU.

  • MillaRed

    We never want to be the underdogs eh PhD? It’s Indiana!

  • gm

    EWU is not actually not a bad team.

  • IUfanPurduePhD

    Ha, I see what you’re saying, but I would’ve preferred that this current team remain unranked until after beating MD.

    Whether or not IU fans should be satisfied with a bubble team is a whole ‘nother matter…

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    They’ve got a couple pretty bad losses on their record now. Look it up. They lost to a weak conference team and then some other cupcake as wells

  • drewmiller1

    Interesting points, thanks for the clarifications. Can I ask you this… Georgetown has the 53st best offense and 57th best defense. My thought is that would make them about the 55th best team, so why are they 45th?

  • Arch Puddington

    At a glance it does seem like that should be the case, but again, the overall team ranking isn’t the average of its offensive and defensive ranking. It is based on the gap between how many points a team would score against a “typical”:opponent in 100 possessions and how many points they would give up defensively.

    So ignore where a team ranks on offense or defense, and look instead at the AdjO and AdjD numbers. Georgetown’s offense averages 107.9 points per 100 possessions, and its defense gives up 94.6 points per 100 possessions. The 13.3 point difference between the two is the 45th best such margin in the country. In effect what it means is that against what Kenpom figures as a “typical” opponent, Georgetown would outscore them by 13.3 points in a 100 possession game.

    By that same set of calculations, Indiana would outscore a typical opponent by 12.3 points, which is 51st best in country. The fact that our offense is ranked 13th and our defense is ranked 195th is only semi-relevant; the numbers that matter are our AdjO (114.5) and our AdjD (102.2). Twelve teams have better offenses and 194 teams have better defenses, but our overall rank is determined by the fact that there are 50 teams with better margins between those two numbers.

    Hopefully that does not over-explain it! In the meantime, Georgetown is crushing Villanova,which is good for the Hoosier no matter what Kenpom says….

  • drewmiller1

    Thanks, awesome reply.

  • EdgarAllenPoor

    If IU doesn’t beat Maryland its journey to the top 25 will be short-lived.

  • ForeverIU

    “Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered, weak and weary,
    Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore—”

    Come on, be a little more upbeat than your name-sake. You can only be down if you are making good poetry with it.

  • SCHoosier

    Gee how did that ever occur to you? And If MD loses to IU they will drop from their current 13 ranking> Kinda how it works?? Teams 20-25 are going to fall in and out thru the rest of the season.

  • KmanCRK

    If we’re not in the top 20, I always default to our KenPom ranking for points per possession or whatever offensive stat sounds good. 🙂

  • KmanCRK

    Optimists are always welcome.

  • KmanCRK

    I would argue they are pretty tough mentally judging by how they bounced back again and again against IL, OSU, etc.

  • KmanCRK

    Great point. Fill the Hall. I’ll be there.

  • Outoftheloop

    This is exactly what Indiana Hoosier Basketball is all about! IU is ranked #23 in each poll. The Hoosiers are playing better basketball in each game. These very young players are bonding together, playing hard, understanding what they can do and can’t do, and individually improving their games. Great job so far Coach Crean and staff! With some very tough games coming up on the immediate schedule, keep it going! GO IU!

  • Outoftheloop

    But if Indiana can beat MD a top #16 ranking should be given!

  • phaluska

    IU could easily loose 3 in a row. Ranking can only hurt at this point. You never want to be the team that was ranked and lost it…

  • phaluska

    , I mean lose…..

  • Outoftheloop

    I see it differently: W v MD; L at OSU; W at Purdue; W v Rutgers; L at WI; W v MI; and L at MD. That is 4-3 over those 7 games and a top #16 rank. No game is a given W. Each game will be a real struggle. That would make the B1G record 8-4 with 4 home games and 2 away game at Rutgers and NW left!

  • Outoftheloop

    You can’t read or you don’t know college basketball. EWU has only 5 loses: at SMU, at WA, at Sam Houston St (13-4 5-0), at Cal, and at Sacramento St (11-6 5-1 leading their conference)! They had 5 home games and 7 away games in their pre-conference. As a comparison, IU had 0 true away games. Not a bad loss in the group!

  • Outoftheloop

    You forgot IA! Dayton was good last year in the Tournament. They have one win against TX AM and loses against Ark and U Conn in their pre-conference and don’t play a good team again until VCU on 2/28! That is it! OVERRATED! But so is Seton Hall unless they are #2-3-4 in their conference at the end. They have one win over Rutgers and two loses to GA and Wichita St outside of their conference.

  • Outoftheloop

    And OSU at #6, with all in the Tournament.

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    Loop, are you seriously gonna tell me that losses to Sacramento St and Sam Houston St aren’t bad losses? If you think those aren’t bad losses (home or away) then I’m not even gonna bother discussing basketball with you because you know nothing about the subject yourself. A good mid-major college basketball team is one like Murray St from a couple years back. They beat all the other cupcakes they play and they’re competivitive with Power 5 schools. The my don’t lose to Sam Houston St and Sacremento St!

    Come on man!

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    Oh, and should we give a sh** whether or not Sam Houston St is leading the conference when it’s a conference with 1 automatic bid? That pretty much tells me if SHSU can beat them again in their conference tourney then EWU is not a tournament team which would make them a “bad loss” for IU. Why don’t you wait until the end of the season when Lunardi is releasing all of his “lock, work to do, etc.” stuff and see how that loss is listed under IU’s resume. Then come back and tell me I don’t know CBB joker!

  • Outoftheloop

    Get out of your “big conference” bubble and learn about today’s college basketball. That is exactly what I am saying! The top two teams in each of these “one automatic bid” conferences can play good team basketball and beat all but the very best (the top 10 teams) of the big conference teams on the “right” day. Ask Duke about last year’s first round loss. Just as EWU did to IU! Either EWU or Sacramento St will be in the NCAA. As will Sam Houston St. As will Harvard. So you are wrong! A loss to any of these teams is not a “bad loss”!

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    I guess we’ll just have to wait until the time of year when that running article comes out and I get the chance to give you a big, fat “I TOLD YOU SO” when EWU is listed on IU’s resume as a “bad loss” like every basketball savvy fan should know. I expect more common sense out of fellow IU fans. We’re supposed to be the smartest basketball fans out there. Stop seeing things through your crimson colored goggles and pretending a loss to a team from one of the weakest conferences in the country is not a bad loss. Have two teams from the Big Sky ever made the tournament in the same year? Gonna go out in a limb and say no! That conference isn’t the MAC or even Colonial. It’s a weak conference just like your argument is weak.

  • dwdkc

    You are right that Lunardi or the SI guys will list it as a bad loss, however it won’t be very costly with the committee because EWU will have a decent overall strength ranking. They clearly have the best resume in the Big Sky and will probably win it. If they win their conf tourney and get in, they will be no lower than a 14 seed. Whoever is matched against them will be very nervous.

  • ForeverIU

    Not taking sides in this discussion, but wanted to point out that Kenpom ranks EWU adjusted offense at #20.

  • Kyl470

    Thanks. That actually helps me understand the Kenpom rankings better.

  • Outoftheloop

    There is no conference with more than 1 automatic bid!

  • Outoftheloop

    I can wait until you have some evidence for your point of view. I gave you some preliminary evidence (won-loss records both total and in conference and conference standings). I apologize for the “don’t know college basketball” comment, that was excessive.

  • Gecko

    No matter what you do to make a living, be it in the front office or the assembly line or a sanitation worker, could you do your job with 2 or 3 bosses screaming at you constantly . Screaming instructions and never letting you do for your self. This is what the college players have to put up with. Almost ever game I watch ( which is to many) I see these young men having to put up with constant play calling. I am sure you would not put up with this on your job, especially if you were proficient enough to quit your job and go to another company. Come on coaches, do you job during practice and stop brow beating your players. Sit down and enjoy the game.