Notebook: Another non-conference opponent, NBA summer league, more

  • 07/03/2014 10:02 am in

The complete 2014-2015 Indiana basketball schedule won’t be announced until the fall, but IU’s Big Ten opponents have already been confirmed as well as several non-conference contests.

The latest non-conference game to be confirmed is Grand Canyon University, which is coached by former Phoenix Suns guard Dan Majerle.

The Antelopes finished last season 15-15 overall, No. 241 in the KenPom.com rankings, No. 205 in the RPI and will visit Assembly Hall on Dec. 13.

According to AZCentral.com, Tom Crean was a student at Central Michigan when Majerle played there in the 1980s, which helped facilitate the game.

Grand Canyon, which is in the Western Athletic Conference (WAC), added 2,000 seats to its arena this offseason.

Thus far, Indiana has three neutral site non-conference games confirmed for next season in Louisville, Butler and Georgetown and five non-conference games at Assembly Hall.

The home non-conference games released so far are SMU, Pittsburgh, New Orleans, Lamar and Grand Canyon.

NBA summer league to feature several Hoosiers

We’ve already highlighted the additions of Christian Watford (Detroit, Golden State) and Will Sheehey (New York) to the NBA summer league, but each of IU’s lottery picks over the last two years will also participate.

Cody Zeller and Noah Vonleh will be teammates for the first time with the Charlotte Hornets in the Las Vegas summer league, which begins on July 11 and runs through July 21.

NBA TV will televise all 67 games, with 38 games airing live, including the Hornets’ July 13 and 14 games. Charlotte’s summer league team will be coached by Patrick Ewing.

Victor Oladipo will also participate in the Orlando pro summer league for the second consecutive year, where he’ll team with Orlando’s first round picks, Aaron Gordon and Elfrid Payton.

Several Magic summer league games will also be televised live on NBA TV. A complete schedule can be accessed here.

Other notes

· Steve Clifford talks Vonleh: Hornets coach Steve Clifford says he’s excited to add the Big Ten freshman of the year to a roster that is coming off of a playoff appearance and noted that the system Vonleh is coming from should help him as he transitions to the NBA.

”The fact that Noah played for Tom Crean (at Indiana) was a positive,” Clifford said, according to The Eagle-Tribune. “That’s a really structured, good program. They run a lot of stuff he’ll see in the NBA. We were very, very happy to have a chance at someone like Noah.”

· Spalding adds SEC offer: Louisville Trinity forward Raymond Spalding, who is the subject of a recruiting battle that features Indiana, Louisville, Xavier and others, was offered a scholarship by Tennessee recently according to this report. Spalding is rated the No. 83 prospect nationally in the class of 2015 by the 247Composite.

· Giddens to announce decision: Class of 2015 Marietta (Ga.) center Daniel Giddens will announce his college decision on Friday, which is also his birthday, and Ohio State is believed to be the heavy favorite.

Giddens, the No. 46 prospect nationally according to the 247Composite, is also considering Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Texas A & M and Wake Forest.

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  • CreamandCrimson

    Neutral site games with Butler, Louisville and Georgetown. Home games with SMU, Pittsburgh, New Orleans, Lamar and Grand Canyon. Best guess, that’s one Top 10 (‘Ville), another Top 25 (SMU), a pair of 25-60 (Pitt, Georgetown), a top 100 (Butler) and then three sub-200 opponents. So, that’s probably 5 Top 100. If we can avoid the final four games being in the 250-330 range, that’s a good non-conference schedule.

    I’d love to see us play a couple of MAC schools and maybe a couple of Horizon schools (Green Bay, Milwaukee, Loyola, Valparaiso, etc.) to fill out the schedule. Those could be solid programs that we would benefit from playing and that wouldn’t torpedo our RPI. But, I know scheduling isn’t an easy proposition. So far, so good in my opinion though.

  • FinEndNow

    Hopefully Watford or Sheehey can make a team this year. Both would be amazing but I just don’t see that happening right now. But Indiana already has EJ, DJ White, Noah Vonleh, Vic and Zeller. 2 more added and you can have a 7 man rotation on NBA 2K15!

  • calbert40

    With the addition of Grand Canyon to the schedule, I’ve read a lot of complaining about our SOS. However, a quick look at our non-con so far shows that we have really upped our SOS so far.

    Louisville: 16 RPI
    Pitt: 39

    SMU: 45

    Georgetown: 74

    Butler: 155

    New Orleans: 259

    Lamar: 342

    Add in last year’s B1G RPI games:

    Wisky: 4
    UM: 11
    MSU: 12
    OSU: 25
    Minny: 34
    Neb: 54
    Illinois: 61
    Iowa: 67

    All told, we play a pretty difficult schedule. We may have some cupcakes by the time it is all over, but this team will be challenged.

  • IUBizmark

    Any idea what our own RPI is?
    I just don’t understand how people can get upset at this noncon schedule. We’re not playing in the SEC which allows/demands those schools play a much more challenging noncon schedule.

  • CreamandCrimson

    Our RPI at the end of last season (which is now completely irrelevant) was 99. Some of that can be attributed to last season’s non conference schedule and the numerous opponents with RPIs of 250+. A larger part of that ranking is due to our record being what it was.

    The non-conference schedule as it is currently constituted is strong but if we add three or four abysmal opponents (in the Lamar neighborhood), it could hurt us if we end up on the bubble.

  • ForeverIU

    I think the complaints were based on a misperception about their level of play. They seem to be a rising and very well-coached team, hungry to prove themselves in D1.

  • brosallman

    Alex, so I hear Friday it’s Sale, the Sox and Ryan. Make sure he buys the first round!

  • Ole Man

    All very good points.
    Personally, I wish people would stop whining about the schedule.

  • Ole Man

    CC; IU didn’t miss the tourney because of a weak non-conference or our RPI.
    IU missed because of losses to Purdue, Neb, etc.
    If we’d taken care of B1G business, the non-con would have been mute.

  • CreamandCrimson

    When did I write anything about our schedule causing us to miss the tournament? I said what our RPI was at the end of the season because someone asked. I then said that was partially due to some of the really weak opponents we played and then, “a larger part of that ranking is due to our record being what it was”.

    I then said that a currently strong non-conference schedule could be weakened by a few really awful opponents and that a weak non-con could hurt us IF we end up on the bubble this season. Where’d you read that I said last season’s schedule cost us a tournament berth?

  • Ole Man

    If I misread what you implied, then I apologize. However, IF we end up on the bubble it won’t be because of weak non-con scheduling. It will be because we didn’t do what we should in the B1G.
    I was using last year as an example. Heck, we’re weren’t really close to the bubble.

  • CreamandCrimson

    I never implied anything at all about last season with my original post and an apology isn’t necessary (but accepted anyway!), I just answered a question about what our RPI # was (99) and why it was so bad. I totally agree with you, our big problem last year was that we were a bad team, not that we had a bad schedule.

    If we end up on the bubble, I’ll feel slightly better about our chances of getting in if we can avoid having too many 300+ RPI opponents on our schedule. I see no benefit to playing Lamar (RPI probably going to be north of 300) when we can play, and should comfortably beat, a MAC school with an RPI of 200. It probably won’t matter at all but if all things are equal between us and another school for a seed line or a spot in the tournament, I think avoiding awful opponents is preferable. You are right, our spot in the tourney is almost definitely going to be determined by our results on the floor, not necessarily who we end up beating up on in the middle of December.

  • calbert40

    I think you are right…that is the main reason people were griping about in this specific instance. However, people have spent a lot of time griping about the schedule of late. No one wants to see us play five teams who are 300+ in RPI, but I think there are some who believe we should never play anyone outside of the Top 100. It is an incredibly unrealistic expectation of the program, especially when we consider the relative strength of the 18 opponents we play in the B1G. A few cupcakes are okay.

  • calbert40

    We were just inside the Top 100. That was a combination of our poor record and our weak non-con schedule…despite the fact that we had a relatively high SOS on the whole due to the B1G’s strength last year.

  • Alford Bailey

    Thought we had a decent shot at Gliddens. Doesn’t sound promising now. Crean needs to record Cliffords comments and send them out in recruiting packets IMO. Thought Spaulding was a little higher ranked than 83.

  • calbert40

    I expect we will add four or five more non-con games, and I bet at least half of them are 200+ teams. I’d like to see us add at least two more 100-200 teams, though.

    If we added two more 100-200 teams and two more 200-300 teams (obviously based on last year’s RPI), we’d end up with:

    1: Top 25
    2: 26-50
    1: 51-100
    3: 101-200
    3: 201-300
    1: 300+

    I think that’s a reasonably challenging non-con that won’t hurt us in March, but also gives a young team the opportunity to win some games too.

  • CreamandCrimson

    Agreed…that would be a very fitting schedule.

  • Alford Bailey

    True to a certain extent. But when you spend half the conference season adjusting to that level of competition because of a weak schedule you’ve really put your team behind the 8 ball. Take a punch in the mouth in the non. con. so you are prepared when it counts. Next years schedule is much improved and will certainly help these new comers get prepared for the B1G.

  • Hoosier Hall

    No doubt! We have to actually WIN the games before we can complain. A stronger schedule last year would’ve only resulted in more losses.

  • marcusgresham

    I think I was the first one to complain about it, and I’ll be honest, I didn’t look up their RPI first; I was simply going by the fact I knew they were new to D-I. The RPI isn’t bad, and I also didn’t think about the Crean/Majerle connection which makes it even more understandable.

  • drewheck

    I still think we might have a shot at giddens with the other big men committing to OSU the instant playing time with little competition has to be appealing to him and any other big man

  • Ole Man

    Alford, I hear ya. But I’m not a strong believer in that theory. And that’s all it is. One of those “urban myths”…LOL.

  • ForeverIU

    And I upvoted you, lol.

  • ForeverIU

    Daniel Giddens is ranked #46 on 247 and is a 4-star. For a program that’s on its way to becoming an NBA-preparation powerhouse, we can do better. Watch us get Thon Maker if he reclassifies to 2015, or Zimmerman.

  • HoosierGrampy

    You might want to check out a couple YouTube clips on Daniel Giddens before you dismiss him from the IU radar. Rankings of Rivals/ESPN/24-7 are not exactly an accurate gauge of anyone’s net worth to any program. Young man’s got game and so does Doral Moore, but neither gets much love on this board it seems. Gut feeling is that it’s unlikely Thon Maker or Stephen Zimmerman will wear stripes in college. Every college can offer immediate playing time, some can almost guarantee a trip to the NCAAs and more than a couple can offer a realistic chance to play on an NCAA championship team.
    Would you share with us how you determined that this program is on its way to becoming an NBA-preparation powerhouse? 3 lottery picks in the last 2 years would hardly rate a blip on the NBA radar screen for NBA feeder colleges and we are a long ways from becoming a powerhouse.

  • ForeverIU

    I am giddy with the blessings we got from the Celtics and Hornets. When I say we are on our way to becoming an NBA-preparation powerhouse, I mean we are tending in that direction and will only get better–it just seems to be part of our “brand” (maybe not next year, although we may be pleasantly surprised with Troy Williams and/or James Blackmon). I didn’t mean to put down Giddens. Maybe I’m sour that he is going to OSU, or so it seems. But I didn’t mean to undermine Giddens as much as I meant to underscore our need for and ability to land an elite 5-star.

  • Devout Hoosier

    moot

  • SCHoosier

    Kid hasn’t even visited campus ..no way he’s headed to IU??

  • Had Iu finished in the top 5 of the big ten last year we would of been in the NCAA regardless of the cup cake preseason. We didn’t beat any good in preseason last year anyway. Losses to sayracuse, Norte dame, and Uconn. Had we played more better teams earlier on and lost it would of eliminated us from the conversation of the last 5 in or last 5 out at one point.

  • I agree. The “movement” recruiting class that seemed to be a lock to catapult IU back into year in and year out contention and keep Indiana kids from backing their bags to head to duke and UNC exploded in our face. I don’t think anyone could of envisioned that by their junior year there would be 2 guys left from the class. 0 nba players yet from it and Hanner Perea only gaining playing time due to process of elimination. We should be anticipating lyles, Trevon, and Blackmon in the roster spots this year instead we are once again trying to rekindle the Indiana spirit with in state kids.

  • TomJameson

    When IU gets love from an NBA coach saying (paraphrasing) a Tom Crean player is well prepared for the NBA, and already know some NBA sets … That’s some good trending. LOL. Also something hopefully used in recruiting. 😉

  • Corey M

    Why is Dan Majerle coaching Kyle Beckerman??

  • ForeverIU

    Ha ha ha … ask the Belgians.

  • What else does he have to do

  • Outoftheloop

    If Giddens goes to OSU, it makes T Thompson’s choice of OSU for playing time look misguided! Can you transfer before you actually transfer (from VA Tech, to OSU, to IU)?

  • NateMH

    Can’t believe we lost out on another big man to O$U…this is getting old. If Crean can’t recruit we are in real big trouble!

  • HoosierGrampy

    Thad Matta got a winner in Daniel Giddens. My only hopes for him as a Suckeye are that he does not have career highs when he plays against us and that he does well in school.

  • HoosierGrampy

    Realistically considering the impressive list of schools actively going after all the big men NOT named Doral Moore, I hope CTC and his crew take every opportunity to show him some love this Summer. Stone, Zimmerman or Thomas would bring great credentials to B’town, but Moore has a better motor and a bigger upside than some of those ranked above him…and I would think he’d be in town for at least 2 years. Check out some of his game film on YouTube…he got game & skilz.

  • Guest

    Indiana absolutely missed the NIT last season b/c of the non-con. See below:

    Xavier
    Non-Conference: 4-2
    against SIX Teams in the top 120
    played Tennessee twice (7), Iowa (28), Cincy (23), Alabama (92), Wake (118)
    In-Conference: 10-8
    Result: NCAA

    Illinois
    Non-Conference: 3-2
    against FIVE Teams in the top 130
    played UNLV(91), Georgia Tech(109), Auburn(129), Oregon(29) and Mizz(78)
    In-Conference: 7-11
    Result: #2 seed in NIT

    Indiana
    Non-Conference: 1-3
    against FOUR Teams in the top 100
    played Washington(95), UCONN(8), Syracuse(16), Notre Dame(99)
    In-Conference: 7-11
    Result: Missed NIT

    SMU
    Non-Conference: 2-2
    against FOUR Teams in the top 130
    played Arkansas(52), UVA(4), TA&M(121), Wyoming(128)
    In-Conference: 12-6
    Result: Missed NCAA

    Cal
    Non-Conference: 1-3
    against FOUR Teams in the top 60
    played Arkansas(52), Syracuse(16), Dayton(38), Creighton(24)
    In-Conference: 10-8
    Result: Missed NCAA

  • aHoopandaPrayer

    Indiana absolutely missed the NIT last season because of the non-con. See below:

    Xavier
    Non-Conference: 4-2
    against SIX Teams in the top 120
    played Tennessee twice (7), Iowa (28), Cincy (23), Alabama (92), Wake (118)
    In-Conference: 10-8
    Result: NCAA

    Illinois
    Non-Conference: 3-2
    against FIVE Teams in the top 130
    played UNLV(91), Georgia Tech(109), Auburn(129), Oregon(29) and Mizz(78)
    In-Conference: 7-11
    Result: #2 seed in NIT

    Indiana
    Non-Conference: 1-3
    against FOUR Teams in the top 100
    played Washington(95), UCONN(8), Syracuse(16), Notre Dame(99)
    In-Conference: 7-11
    Result: Missed NIT

    SMU
    Non-Conference: 2-2
    against FOUR Teams in the top 130
    played Arkansas(52), UVA(4), TA&M(121), Wyoming(128)
    In-Conference: 12-6
    Result: Missed NCAA

    Cal
    Non-Conference: 1-3
    against FOUR Teams in the top 60
    played Arkansas(52), Syracuse(16), Dayton(38), Creighton(24)
    In-Conference: 10-8
    Result: Missed NCAA

  • Ole Man

    The argument could be made that IU would have made the NIT if it had finished better in the B1G. So, your argument is mute.

  • Michael

    Lol

  • Barancy Peloma

    i don’t see watford or sheehey ever making an nba roster.
    watford is too slow and sheehey is too dumb.

  • Barancy Peloma

    well, when you search the nation for the worst schools to play (as crean does), it makes one ask themselves “why would i want to spend a fortune on season tix if they never play any decent teams?”
    if they are going to charge as much as they do, they better bring some real team in here.