The Minute After: Illinois

  • 12/31/2013 6:09 pm in

Thoughts on an 83-80 overtime loss to the Illini:

Illinois, a team knocking on the door of the Top 25, provided the Hoosiers plenty of chances to pull out a victory in their first Big Ten contest of the season. But in a wild, back-and-forth affair, these young Hoosiers fell short once again to a quality opponent.

Start here: Yogi Ferrell played sensational. He showed no fear on his way to a career-high 30 points. Ferrell hit 5-of-8 from 3-point range — several of them coming in key moments when the Hoosiers really needed a bucket. (None were bigger than a 3-pointer he hit with four seconds remaining in overtime to still give IU a puncher’s chance.)

But Ferrell also had two wild, ill-advised turnovers on bad passes to Hanner Mosquera-Perea late in regulation as Noah Vonleh sat on the bench with four fouls. Those tossed away crucial possessions for the Hoosiers, even though Evan Gordon had a shot at the buzzer that could have won it in regulation. (Some of you may be wondering why Vonleh, despite the foul troubles, sat for so long at the end of the contest and in overtime with timeouts there for him to be subbed in.)

And that 3-pointer he hit late was just Indiana’s first field goal since the 6:44 mark in the second half. Sure, Indiana made up for it some from the free throw line (24-of-30, 80 percent). And it helped that Illinois was dreadful from distance (2-of-17, 11.8 percent). But turn the ball over on 29 percent of your possessions and go 11-of-29 in the second half and OT (including 1-of-8 in overtime with freshman Stanford Robinson taking a number of wild attempts in the lane as your main point of attack) and it’s simply not going to be a recipe for victory in the Big Ten — especially on the road.

Vonleh was crucial for the Hoosiers on both ends of the floor. He was an absolute beast in the first half down low as the Illini’s frontline couldn’t handle him. He also hit two 3-pointers in the first half and that might not be the last time we see him hitting from distance; he’s been steadily working on that kind of range. The freshman finished with 16 points, nine rebounds and four blocks, including a key one late in regulation on Rayvonte Rice to give Indiana a chance to win it before the second-half buzzer sounded. Rice was the Illini’s best player today (29 points, eight rebounds) and one that was also mouthing off a bit to both Will Sheehey and Tom Crean in this one.

Illinois may have missed a ton of 3-pointers, but they crushed Indiana, 32-12, in the points in the paint department as a host of guards were able to get into the lane off the perimeter in offensive sets for scores. (We linked to this piece about IU’s rim defense late last week and with Luke Fischer now gone, it may become an even bigger area of concern.) And while the Hoosiers won the offensive rebounding battle (42.4 OR% vs. 29.2 OR%), it was the Illini who converted more second-chance points (13 to 9).

Glass half full says Indiana played a near Top 25 team to overtime on the road in just its first Big Ten game of the season and had some huge games out of their best players. Glass half empty says it just might be one of those years where the Hoosiers can’t get over the hump.

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  • Peter

    Watford put up 16 and 6 per game his sophomore year. People may have complained about his lack of athleticism/energy but nobody denied his ability and production. Hollowell is a completely different story.

  • David Macer

    Sorry James but I will have to respectfully disagree with you. He gained control while on his back and called the TO. Refs granted it.
    Vonleh was also on his back but in the view if the officials he did NOT have control, therefore no TO.
    Yes, I am an IU fan for 50+ years and a 1978 grad.

  • Eric Dyer

    Glad you pointed that out, look indiana and kentucky on paper this year, they are the same team, only difference, turnovers

  • Eric Dyer

    Hanner needs to stay low, he’s a beast.

  • Eric Dyer

    Roll the ball in, clock doesnt start til someone picks it up school yard ball throw it in off the defender

  • Eric Dyer

    Crawl walk run ill take that for some wins

  • Eric Dyer

    Fischer wasnt getting the spot light like he wanted

  • BMusic

    Tough loss, because the game was winnable. Some embarrassing errors, to be sure. Not enough to make me point fingers, though, because when it comes to Indiana Basketball, I am a freaking PATRIOT. I don’t climb onto the beach at Normandy thinking the plan is doomed and the commanders don’t know what they’re doing, even when the guy next to me takes a bullet in the face. Inch by precious inch, we move forward. And for this bunch of Hoosiers to have marched into Champaign and come this close (arguably closer, by forcing overtime) to accomplishing what last year’s Hoosiers couldn’t? I’d say that’s the program moving forward.

    GO BIG RED.

  • CreamandCrimson

    IU was not up by 7 with under four minutes to go….the game was tied 67-67 with 3:49 to play and 67-65 was our last lead of the game.

  • CreamandCrimson

    Brady Hoke? Next time Michigan football is ranked #1 for the majority of the season and wins the Big Ten title outright (a much weaker football conference than basketball conference so the accomplishments aren’t even equal)…then maybe Hoke can compare to Crean. I don’t think Tom Crean is the best coach in the conference but at least he’s won something in his time here.

  • CreamandCrimson

    The first 5 games of the conference season are really, really tough. I said going in that I would take 2-3 in a heartbeat after at Illinois, MSU, at PSU, Wisconsin and vs. Northwestern. Anything worse than that would be a hole that’s probably too deep to climb out of. I just don’t think beating Michigan State on Saturday is required (which “must win” implies) for us to end up making the tournament.

  • William Hagenmaier

    Hollowell reminds me of a young landon turner hopefully he end up as good as landon he has talent I think its all mental with him now

  • William Hagenmaier

    I thought he had foulded out

  • chiv86

    What’s sad is I think Fischer would have played some major minutes in this game had he decided to stay. With Noah in foul trouble and Hanner making the wrong plays, Fischer would have been on the court for a majority of the minutes Hanner got. Plus we could have used his 6’11 size against Egwu. Its just sad he didn’t stick out the season till the end and see how things progress. To not give the team enough time to adjust and find out what they are made of and leave before Big ten season starts is not a good way to play out your options. Who knows what the kid was going through to make his decision so I wish him the best.

  • Jersey Hoosier

    Alex, hang on to that memory. It will be the last pleasant one you have for a good long time. Oh, and by the way, do you recall how we did during the Big 10 Tourney and the Big Dance? A lot to feel good about there, wasn’t there?

  • AJGuyton

    Clincher is completely correct. People suggest that we send him good vibes. He isn’t a good basketball player. I am tired of harping on Hollowell, as is everyone who does. I hate to see guys like Yogi work hard, hit tough shots, while handling the ball all game, drawing double teams and finding open teammates and have people on this board complain that he had 6 turnovers, while apologizing for Hollowell. The latter doesn’t hit wide open shots. I’m done talking about Hollowell. People can blindly say whatever they want about him. I’m only talking about the positives in the future, e.g. Yogi, Noah, etc. Jeremy doesn’t deserve to have his name typed on this board.

  • James

    Nobody is questioning whether you are an IU fan and how deep your allegiance lies. Based on your comment, it sounds like Ekey’s on his back the whole time, but if you re-watch the sequence, he dives for the ball with his stomach facing the ground, grabs it, and then rolls over onto his back while attempting to call a timeout. Unless the refs are granting him the timeout at the instant he grabs the ball, it’s a clear travel.

  • Peter

    Based on the quality of last year’s team and how hard it was to get minutes, I agree with you completely. There is absolutely no excuse this year though; minutes and opportunities to be a go-to scorer are there for the taking and Hollowell simply has not stepped up. And going back to Watford, he may have had more opportunities than Hollowell given the composition of the rest of the team, but he was far more efficient his sophomore year as well, and that was with far more defensive attention than what Hollowell receives.

    I was very high on Hollowell last year and coming into this year, and I still think he has the potential to become an excellent player, but man is he a frustrating player to watch.

  • David Macer

    Did ekeyDid Ekey have “team control” when he rolled ?? If not, it is NOT travel. A player can slide several feet while gaining control and NOT travel. While I have not looked at the play in question in detail, I am guessing that was the call. I suggest you take time and visit NFHS’s website and look up the rule as well as some of the commentary.

    It is impossible to travel while dribbling.[9] The height of the dribble or number of steps taken per dribble is irrelevant.[10]

    It is impossible to travel during a throw-in.[11] While there are space restrictions for a throw-in, the thrower is not required to maintain a pivot foot or observe any of the other restrictions of the traveling rule. A referee who signals traveling on a throw-in violation is in error.

    A player must have control of the ball to travel. For instance, a player who bobbles[jargon] a pass may well take several steps legally—the traveling rule is not in effect until he has secured control of the ball.[12]

    A player who dives and catches a loose ball on the floor may legally slide as far as his momentum carries him. This is not a travel.[13][14][15] However, once he stops he may not roll over or attempt to stand.

    Lifting the pivot foot alone does not constitute a travel; a player may pass, shoot, or request a timeout in that position. It is a travel once the foot is returned to the floor, or if a dribble is started

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  • JAY R WILLIAMS,SR

    THIS ARE VERY YOUNG PLAYERS,,,, THEY ALL HAVE TALENT,,,BUT MUST PLAY HARD IN PRACTICE ETC, IU WOULD HAVE WON THE GAME HAD THEY TAKEN BETTER CARE OF THE BASKETBALL AS I SAW THE GAME! ! THEY WILL COME ALONG ,,,, ! ! !!

  • William Hagenmaier

    reminds me of a young landon turner

  • William Hagenmaier

    Have you ever visited KY blogs??????? You think were mean

  • William Hagenmaier

    If the illini played a zone we would not have been close

  • James

    Thanks David, those rules are helpful. It really does come down to when the refs think he had control. I think it’s pretty obvious from the replay that he had control while on his stomach (after diving to the floor) and then rolled over onto his back before getting the TO, but I guess that’s not what the refs saw.

    “However, once he stops he may not roll over or attempt to stand.”

  • William Hagenmaier

    Well he hasnt been part of the solution has he????

  • William Hagenmaier

    Hey !!!! Its nothing personal

  • William Hagenmaier

    If they go to 3 guards and vonleh and williams Iu’s offense will die when teams play a zone defense

  • William Hagenmaier

    He is the coach he can fix it