The Minute After: Butler

  • 12/15/2012 10:10 pm in

Thoughts on a 88-86 overtime loss to Butler:

I. Welp, it happened: Brad Stevens’ crew of lesser talented homegrown Indiana kids took the Hoosiers out of their game for long stretches in this one, and by the time the dust settled on a thrilling final minutes and overtime, the Bulldogs emerged victorious. Butler makes noise in the college basketball world once more — taking Indiana’s No. 1 ranking along with it. Tom Crean preached all week about Butler’s physicality and it really got to Indiana this afternoon at Bankers Life Fieldhouse. The Bulldogs were able to limit Indiana’s fastbreak opportunities, save for Indiana turning defense into quick scores, which meant the Hoosiers would have to make a go of it in the halfcourt. Stevens had his plans there: Butler packed it in, made the Hoosiers a perimeter shooting team with freshman Yogi Ferrell taking a host of shots. Indiana looked out of sorts. Quick long jumpers. One-on-one play. Andrew Smith out-muscling and out-hustling Cody Zeller. The Hoosiers didn’t hit a bucket from the 11:17 to 3:43 mark in the second half. They were lifeless, their body language looking of defeat.

But a 1-2-2 press Indiana employed late had them surviving until an overtime period. It helped stop the clock. Victor Oladipo got a steal out of it and a score. And Ferrell, after fumbling a pass out of bounds for what might have been Indiana’s last shot at this one, hit a huge 3-pointer to tie it at 76. Butler’s ensuing possession came up empty.

The Hoosiers had the momentum in OT. Smith and Roosevelt Jones were on the bench fouled out. Hulls shot faked and hit a shot early. But back-to-back 3-pointers by Rotnei Clarke and Chase Stigall put Butler up two and had the momentum shifting. Zeller — after being a bit lifeless in this one — got a lay-in to tie it at 86.

Yet, walk-on Alex Barlow took Hulls in isolation all the way to the rim and hit the bucket on Butler’s last possession. Just 2.5 seconds left for Indiana to do anything.

Hulls’ desperation shot at the buzzer just over halfcourt never had a chance. Ballgame.

II. Butler was also able to pull this one off on the strength of their rebounding this afternoon. It evened out a bit by the time the final buzzer sounded, but the fact remains: The Bulldogs rebounded 48.7 percent of their misses to convert them into 27 second-chance points. Time and again, Indiana would force Butler into a miss, only for a rebound to bounce around, Butler to pick it up and score. Sometimes with ease around the hoop — no Hoosier in sight. Butler also rebounded 53.8 percent of Indiana’s shots. The rebounding helped make up for the fact the that Bulldogs were sloppy with the ball, turning it over on 24.2 percent of their possessions. The Hoosiers had a rough go shooting it, too. They shot only 42.9 percent from the field. And though they weren’t too bad from the line — 27-of-38 for 71.1 percent — some better shooting from the charity stripe could have helped flip this from a loss to a victory.

III. Indiana’s games away from Assembly Hall this season: A struggle against Georgia until it finally broke free late. An overtime win against Georgetown. An overtime loss to Butler. With Big Ten season looming at the end of the month — and tough games on the road in more hostile environments to come — it’s a cause for some concern.

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  • Wyatt

    I realize this isn’t the end of the world but I’m being honest and unbiased. Sometimes IU fans need to realize that this team hasn’t accomplished anything yet, so I would like to see them tone down the cockiness. Will is kind of a d*** in interviews, Vic looks like a cocky high school kid showing off to, Wat and Hollowell look like they give up after missing a couple shots, and Zeller hasn’t impressed once against another big man. As for my sources, how about watching 40 min of sloppy, undisciplined, selfish, crap basketball for 40 min? Why don’t you cite yours because this game gave a lot of reason for concern and it’s laughable that anyone considers a loss as OK. Great win for Butler, they deserved it and my moneys on them over IU come tourney time. I don’t live in this same fantasy land as you…sorry

  • repairmanjack

    Yep, I saw that play too. Thought there should have been a foul on it.

  • repairmanjack

    Maybe he was yelling at him for being short on several shots, several of which he should not have taken….

  • repairmanjack

    Maybe he was yelling at him for being short on several shots, several of which he should not have taken….

  • Wyatt

    Could have gone to a zone defense to throw them off, obviously with Zeller down low. Kind of a no brainer tht you don’t take you’re 7 ft best player out for a defensive possesion.

  • HoosierGrad07

    Hey that’s fine, I’ll gladly take your money come tourney time. And since you want everyone on our team to change their personalities I’d say you’re the one in the fantasy land. I’ll go on rooting for and believing in the guys we have and you can go on hoping they magically turn into different people. I wouldn’t hold my breath.

  • repairmanjack

    Also brings to mind a play where Vic hogged the ball and had a WIDE open Watford in the same place as his KY 3 pointer. Beginning to think Vic is getting a little full of himself. And yes, I don’t like the showboating pointing to the nose or Will’s three fingers to the head. Playground Cr*p.

  • EBeck

    Anthony Davis ….Wake up…..Upside dude. You wanna draft Zeller #1 as a GM. You are gonna lose your job. Idiot.

  • EBeck

    Repair man jack….stick to repairing dishwashers……you know nothing about bball.  Hulls is 2nd in steals……great.  For now.  Wake up idiot.  He doesn’t foul b/c they are already shooting a layup before he can foul. Wake up.

  • EBeck

    Wake up.  3 eggs 3 bacon 3 pancakes…..Anthony Davis….he can school NBA players NOW.  I can run the floor and have good grades and have great bball players in my family too.  C’mon man.  Mike Ditka says, “Stop It.’

  • Look, I am sure that what I am about ready to say is already said in some of the other comments but I just want to vent a little. The starting lineup should be Ferrell, Abell, Oladipo, Sheehey, and Zeller. I do not care what anyone else thinks, the way Watford and Hulls are playing defense right now, they should not see the floor. Those 5 get after it each possession and leave it on the court. Hulls and Watford repeatedly got beat on defense. I think I would make this team run a down and back for each freethrow missed and each turnover committed and each possession they did not score on between 11:17 and 3:43 in the second half. Get it in this team’s head that they are the best team in the country, the most talented team in the country, but how did they miss the free throws that they usually make and play sloppy basketball between this time period. This team got cocky and got their butts whipped by a well coached and physical Butler team. However, I love to see this team lose at this point in the season.

    It is hard to coach a team that is winning, because they feel that as long as they get a W, why should you work on anything. This is why 13 of the last 15 number 1’s that have been beat have been by unranked opponents. I would like to point out that this is what Crean has tried to prevent, but this lose will get those guys attention again in practice. I like to see this in the early stages of the season because Indiana will regroup and be a better team for it. What happened to Kentucky when they got defeated at Indiana? They went on a huge winning streak, and were better for it. They got cocky again and got beat by Vandy and regrouped yet again. They ended up rolling in the tourney and winning the championship. (BTW, their toughest game was the Indiana game) Anyway, Indiana will be better for the loss. They figured out a lot about themselves, such as rotations, late game situations, and proper personal that should be in the game. You have not heard the last of the Hoosiers.
    #proudtobeahoosier
    #quitdoubtingyourteam
    #banner6

  • Look, I am sure that what I am about ready to say is already said in some of the other comments but I just want to vent a little. The starting lineup should be Ferrell, Abell, Oladipo, Sheehey, and Zeller. I do not care what anyone else thinks, the way Watford and Hulls are playing defense right now, they should not see the floor. Those 5 get after it each possession and leave it on the court. Hulls and Watford repeatedly got beat on defense. I think I would make this team run a down and back for each freethrow missed and each turnover committed and each possession they did not score on between 11:17 and 3:43 in the second half. Get it in this team’s head that they are the best team in the country, the most talented team in the country, but how did they miss the free throws that they usually make and play sloppy basketball between this time period. This team got cocky and got their butts whipped by a well coached and physical Butler team. However, I love to see this team lose at this point in the season.

    It is hard to coach a team that is winning, because they feel that as long as they get a W, why should you work on anything. This is why 13 of the last 15 number 1’s that have been beat have been by unranked opponents. I would like to point out that this is what Crean has tried to prevent, but this lose will get those guys attention again in practice. I like to see this in the early stages of the season because Indiana will regroup and be a better team for it. What happened to Kentucky when they got defeated at Indiana? They went on a huge winning streak, and were better for it. They got cocky again and got beat by Vandy and regrouped yet again. They ended up rolling in the tourney and winning the championship. (BTW, their toughest game was the Indiana game) Anyway, Indiana will be better for the loss. They figured out a lot about themselves, such as rotations, late game situations, and proper personal that should be in the game. You have not heard the last of the Hoosiers.
    #proudtobeahoosier
    #quitdoubtingyourteam
    #banner6

  • Kenneth234

    Glaring weaknesses? Come on now! Just watched the replay and there was not much of any instance in which Butler’s guards abused shorter IU guards. The problem was simply that Butler seemed to get far more lucky bounces off of bad shots or deflected passes or miss dribbles (whatever the situations were), IU missed free throws that could have stretched the lead (which eventually allowed a couple of three’s for Butler to get them back near even, and that IU did not find ways to get Zeller to be more dominant when Butler’s big guys had fouled out of the game.

    If there was one thing that may have been exposed is that Zeller still needs to get stronger because the Senior Center that Smith is was able to shove him around quite often. Hopefully this is something that Luke noticed and decides to address with a return for a Junior season!

  • Kenneth234

    Glaring weaknesses? Come on now! Just watched the replay and there was not much of any instance in which Butler’s guards abused shorter IU guards. The problem was simply that Butler seemed to get far more lucky bounces off of bad shots or deflected passes or miss dribbles (whatever the situations were), IU missed free throws that could have stretched the lead (which eventually allowed a couple of three’s for Butler to get them back near even, and that IU did not find ways to get Zeller to be more dominant when Butler’s big guys had fouled out of the game.

    If there was one thing that may have been exposed is that Zeller still needs to get stronger because the Senior Center that Smith is was able to shove him around quite often. Hopefully this is something that Luke noticed and decides to address with a return for a Junior season!

  • repairmanjack

    Not personal. Just don’t get all the Hulls hatred. Just been waiting for one of those vocal people who did it sooooo much last season (and this summer) to open up and start yapping again about his (Hulls) detriment to the team. Funny thing is his play this season has forced those people (insert your name here if you are one of them) to keep their mouths shut. (Insert your name here) finally found something to yap at. I have taken my meds, have you???? So Mr. coach of 150 games, do you really want to lay the blame for this loss on what the stats prove is the 3rd best player on the team? Me? I am inclined to blame it on the “team”. They got beat. It did not come down to one play, it all came down to all the plays they did or did not make. If Zeller made one of his missed free throws we win. If Able is not short on several shots, we win. If Yogi or Vic don’t turn the ball over just one of their six TO’s, we win. Ect, Ect, Ect….

  • repairmanjack

    Sigh….. How old are you? Let me expain it to you. Repairmanjack is the lead character in a series I read. My real job is not anywhere near as exciting as repairing dishwashers. Now that I have explained that to you (You did understand that didn’t you?), I can further go on to tell you that I have shuffled you off to the cagtegory of “easily misled by the talking points” person who can’t think for themselfs, and who should not longer be taken seriously.

  • repairmanjack

    Sigh….. How old are you? Let me expain it to you. Repairmanjack is the lead character in a series I read. My real job is not anywhere near as exciting as repairing dishwashers. Now that I have explained that to you (You did understand that didn’t you?), I can further go on to tell you that I have shuffled you off to the cagtegory of “easily misled by the talking points” person who can’t think for themselfs, and who should not longer be taken seriously.

  • inadvertentelbows_stillhurt

    hulls is awful on D never even puts hand up or jumps to defense shots

  • twarrior87

    Hulls D on that guy actually wasn’t bad… he covered him all the way down the court and made the guy take an off balance circus shot, which probably wouldn’t go in 90% of the time

  • CreanFaithful

    Remy had an off night… check the stats, we want him shooting. Shooters always continue to take the looks they are given (next shot is always going in mentality).

  • Geoff_85

    Blocking out is purely a fundamental part of basketball. It has nothing to do with tough games.

  • Benhyoung14

    Yeah, but you can get away with it when you play Central Conneticut State. Tougher opponents expose your weaknesses.

  • Benhyoung14

    Yeah, but you can get away with it when you play Central Conneticut State. Tougher opponents expose your weaknesses.

  • CreanFaithful

    Wide awake here. Davis is outstanding. Notice, I said “this years class?” People that get paid a lot of money for their scouting expertise say Zeller is ready – as of last year. This just isn’t worth arguing…

  • MillaRed

    I still have no idea where you are getting all of this. I love Jordan Hulls. He is not a great defender. It’s not his fault. He is not quick, he cannot jump, and is not tall. Therefore, we might have been better off having someone in there at the end of the game. That’s it.

  • Sherronhasaheadache

    as deep as IU is why not full court press the whole game? CWAT we need you to play huge for us to have any chance in the BIG, have you seen our road schedule? CZ will return for another year no doubt,no way he is ready,his frosh year was more productive. hope CTC finds a spot for eveyone next year.

  • yimyames

    Actually as soon as Smith came back in with four fouls he pushed Cody to the floor to receive a pass and an easy deuce. Then came down and mugged Cody in the paint. Neither foul was called.

  • yimyames

    Selfish? Are assist to FG RATIO is off the charts

  • yimyames

    Guess when we knocked off No. 1 UK Last year, Crean was the best coach in the world? Now Stevens is, until someone beats Duke that is. What a joke! Until Stevens grows a pair and takes a real job at a real school, in a real conferance he hasn’t proved much IMo. Mid majors make runs all the time, some of you act like he’s the only one in history to do good with an underdog.

  • BCharles9295

    “I bet you were nowhere to be found until last year…”

    This made me chuckle and is not even close to being an accurate statement. No, I have been following IU since 1989, when I enrolled as a freshman @ IU and after graduation have continued to support the team regardless of coaches or records. But then I don’t have to prove my allegiance for the team to you.

    Why is it so outrageous to be upset about this loss? Is it because of an unrealistic expectation or *gasp* I dared speak out against Butler? Not losing to them ever, perhaps is an overstatement because every dog has his day (no pun intended); but given the players IU has and who Butler did not have on the court during OT, the advantage was definately in IU’s favor and they should have capitalized on it.

  • BCharles9295

    “I bet you were nowhere to be found until last year…”

    This made me chuckle and is not even close to being an accurate statement. No, I have been following IU since 1989, when I enrolled as a freshman @ IU and after graduation have continued to support the team regardless of coaches or records. But then I don’t have to prove my allegiance for the team to you.

    Why is it so outrageous to be upset about this loss? Is it because of an unrealistic expectation or *gasp* I dared speak out against Butler? Not losing to them ever, perhaps is an overstatement because every dog has his day (no pun intended); but given the players IU has and who Butler did not have on the court during OT, the advantage was definately in IU’s favor and they should have capitalized on it.

  • BCharles9295

    “I bet you were nowhere to be found until last year…”

    This made me chuckle and is not even close to being an accurate statement. No, I have been following IU since 1989, when I enrolled as a freshman @ IU and after graduation have continued to support the team regardless of coaches or records. But then I don’t have to prove my allegiance for the team to you.

    Why is it so outrageous to be upset about this loss? Is it because of an unrealistic expectation or *gasp* I dared speak out against Butler? Not losing to them ever, perhaps is an overstatement because every dog has his day (no pun intended); but given the players IU has and who Butler did not have on the court during OT, the advantage was definately in IU’s favor and they should have capitalized on it.

  • Why not start hulls hanner zeller watford and vic

  • Geoff_85

    Exactly. I was absolutely livid. That was the turning point when Butler started REALLY getting away with quite a bit, especially fouling, but my goodness, I can’t tell you how many travels I counted that weren’t called. I really hope that isn’t where officiating in college basketball is going. I really hope it doesn’t turn into NBA officiating, but that’s where it’s heading, not necessarily because of the travels, but because of the all around ignoring of rules on both sides of the ball. Btw, what the hell was up with the stoppage of play because of the Butler guard slipping? I have NEVER seen a stoppage of play because a guy slipped, whether or not if it was a slick floor that caused it, at least not because of that minute of a tiny little slip.

  • AtariHero

    Yogi isn’t ready. He takes bad shots. He turns the ball over. He’s great against the Mt. St Marys and other mediocre mid-major teams, but he’s just not ready for prime time yet. Maybe giving him playing time early in the season will pay dividends later, but I’m skeptical that he should be running our offense this year.

  • CreanFaithful

    You cannot be serious.