Around the Hall: More expansion for the Big Ten?

  • 11/18/2012 12:05 pm in

Around the Hall is recommended reading from the Inside the Hall staff:

· Pat Forde of Yahoo! Sports reports that Maryland and Rutgers are in serious talks to join the Big Ten.

· Dan Wetzel of Yahoo! Sports writes that adding Maryland and Rutgers would be a gamble for the Big Ten.

· Dennis Dodd of CBSSports.com wonders if the Big Ten could eventually pry North Carolina loose from the Atlantic Coast Conference.

· Stewart Mandel of Sports Illustrated has a simple reaction to the possibility of more conference realignment: “Here we go again.”

· Jumping to the Big Ten would be a move that tosses away tradition for Maryland in favor of more money writes Peter Schmuck of The Baltimore Sun.

· IU signee Noah Vonleh was dominant on Saturday at the National Prep Showcase according to Jerry Meyer of 247Sports.

· Dana O’Neil of ESPN.com weighs-in on the NCAA’s decision to reinstate UCLA’s Shabazz Muhammad.

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  • MisterSlippery

    Good stuff. Another bit of news. Purdoo continues to be absolute garbage.

  • HoosierHoops55

    I think the big ten should go after Louisville. They are near the top in about every sport and from a geographic standpoint they make a lot more sense than these schools do. Plus with the Big East being a dying conference they would be easier to lure away then Maryland

  • HoosierHoops55

    I think the big ten should go after Louisville. They are near the top in about every sport and from a geographic standpoint they make a lot more sense than these schools do. Plus with the Big East being a dying conference they would be easier to lure away then Maryland

  • unclekerfuffle

    Looks like Noah went on a rampage based on the numbers.

  • Won’t happen. Not up to par academically.

  • indigodoc

    Doesn’t do anything tv wise either.

  • IfLarryHadn’tLeft…

    Rutgers and Maryland make sense money-wise, but athletically I don’t see it. The only thing I remember Maryland athletics for is 2002 and their funky football uniforms. They don’t add anything tradition-wise. Sure they will be decent in football and basketball every year, with a few exceptions along the way(both for better and worse), but it’s not worth losing another marquee Big Ten matchup per year. Rutgers, on the other hand, is up-and-coming athletically. Still, they provide less of the New York market than Deleany is thinking, I fear. Plus, we only have four more spots for teams until we reach the max 16. Let’s be honest, Missouri’s number one choice was, is, and always will be the Big 10. Like Mizzou, Pitt has also recently joined a new conference(or will, that is). And like Mizzou, they’d take a long, hard look at the Big 10 if an offer was extended. The third team I’d like, although most people disagree, is Kansas. Yes, they are 100% a basketball school, but the Mizzou-Kansas rivalry will bring the conference even more money. Plus, to say the least, they have a decent fanbase. I would not complain if, instead of Kansas, we took Maryland, though. Last but certainly not least(quite the opposite in fact) is the Notre Dame Fighting Irish, the crown jewel of Deleany. Clearly they’d strengthen the B1G on the football spectrum, but they also have a commonly ranked basketball program. Geographically it makes sense. It’s just also the least likely to happen though.

    My only hope if Rutgers and Maryland join, is that it creates chaos in the East. The SEC picks-up a few ACC teams, and then suddenly the ACC deal doesn’t look as good for Notre Dame. Then they come to Indy, knocking on the door. I hate Notre Dame. I probably only hate Kentucky more.(I have learned to tolerate Purdue because I know they’ll never when anything.) But if this “superconfernce” thing eventually goes down, the Big 10 will need Notre Dame. I just hope that Notre Dame will need us.

  • Thalweg

    A school has to be affiliated with AAU (Association of American Universities) in order to be considered in the BIG. Also, they seemingly need to be in the top 75 academic universities in the country to make it as well.

  • Bryan

    Interesting that the last school added was more on the basis of adding a school with football tradition and name recognition, but now it is all about the cash grab for TV markets. Maryland and Rutgers fit the academic profile of the Big Ten, but neither move the needle nationally in football.

    Selfishly, as an IU basketball fan, I wouldn’t mind playing Maryland on a regular basis, and making the DC area part of the league footprint cannot be bad for the pipeline that Coach Crean is trying to establish. That said, how unbalanced is this going to make the regular season schedule, seems like you would be seeing a bunch of teams just once, rather than just a handful. Probably would be even worse in football.

  • Bryan

    Interesting that the last school added was more on the basis of adding a school with football tradition and name recognition, but now it is all about the cash grab for TV markets. Maryland and Rutgers fit the academic profile of the Big Ten, but neither move the needle nationally in football.

    Selfishly, as an IU basketball fan, I wouldn’t mind playing Maryland on a regular basis, and making the DC area part of the league footprint cannot be bad for the pipeline that Coach Crean is trying to establish. That said, how unbalanced is this going to make the regular season schedule, seems like you would be seeing a bunch of teams just once, rather than just a handful. Probably would be even worse in football.

  • Bryan

    I live in the Louisville area. The expectation here is that the Big Ten would never ever consider the Cardinals, because the criteria for an invite has nothing to do with the product on the field. The general mood of their fans is something akin to rats on a sinking ship with this latest announcement.

  • This statement is not accurate. The most recent addition, Nebraska, isn’t affiliated with the AAU. They also aren’t ranked in the top 75. They are currently ranked 101. Indiana is also not ranked in the top 75 as IU is ranked 83rd. I don’t mean to bust balls, I’m just letting people know that your statement isn’t accurate.

  • cooper

    Beyond stupid to bring in Maryland and Rutgers. They are poor at football which is all the B10’should care about money wise. Not to mention Maryland is going to pay $50mill to leave the ACC when they just cut 7 sports due to budget concerns. Classy

  • Kevin Tolliver

    Good grief leave things alone already. Conferences should be based on geographical regions not who would bring us more money. Does anyone ever consider the kids who are doing all this traveling?

  • SCHoosier

    Rutgers gets the B-10 into the NY market..for TV and recruiting…only advantage I can see.

  • I don’t like the pickup. I understand it, but I don’t like it. College athletics just gets further and further away from what it is supposed to be; amateur athletics. This is about money hungry conferences. It is sickening to watch this, “Expansion” because it’s about one thing and one thing only. It helps Indiana though, because now we get two more football schools that we could have a chance to beat, and puts even easier access to the d.c. pipeline crean has established. At the end of the day though I would rather see schools like Iowa St. and Missou into the conference. God strike me down, but I would really like to see Kentucky join the big ten.

  • I don’t like the pickup. I understand it, but I don’t like it. College athletics just gets further and further away from what it is supposed to be; amateur athletics. This is about money hungry conferences. It is sickening to watch this, “Expansion” because it’s about one thing and one thing only. It helps Indiana though, because now we get two more football schools that we could have a chance to beat, and puts even easier access to the d.c. pipeline crean has established. At the end of the day though I would rather see schools like Iowa St. and Missou into the conference. God strike me down, but I would really like to see Kentucky join the big ten.

  • mrjonessodaandme

    When Nebraska was invited they were a member of the AAU. In 2011, the were voted out by other members, really on a technicality. They get a massive amount of their research money in agriculture, which the AAU does not consider.

    While you don’t have to be an AAU member, the Big Ten does not not look favorably on schools that are not. And while Nebraska is no longer in, it was when invited, and its academic merits are still very much up the those standards.

    All the schools that the B1G has considered are members of the AAU. (Rutgers, Maryland, Georgia Tech) They will not (barring something very unexpected) invite anyone that is not. I’m sure they are unhappy enough as it is that Nebraska was removed.

  • marcusgresham

    “I hate Notre Dame. I probably only hate Kentucky more.” This statement pisses me off more than anything I’ve read in a long time. Why is that you ask? It’s because I’m just now learning my parents must have had another child, who would have been my only brother, who they never told me about and gave up for adoption.

  • marcusgresham

    I’m confused. Is Rutgers a Leader, or a Legend?

  • marcusgresham

    Dana O’Neil hit the nail on the head. Muhammad’s case was cleared up in his favor because his family had a monster lawyer who was ready to go after the NCAA. Neither Jurkin nor Mosquera-Perea have the money to do that.

  • marcusgresham

    Dana O’Neil hit the nail on the head. Muhammad’s case was cleared up in his favor because his family had a monster lawyer who was ready to go after the NCAA. Neither Jurkin nor Mosquera-Perea have the money to do that.

  • Hoosierfan88

    UK would be great for a yearly athletic matchup, but I doubt they look good to the Big 10 as far as academics are concerned.

  • SCHoosier

    Legend..i”n their own minds”

  • Hoosierfan88

    I seem to be in the same boat as most in that I wish conferences could be contain to geographical areas. Not going to happen though, so we have to accept it, and dare I say, look at the positives. Maryland and Rutgers are both AAU members with very admirable academics. The addition also allows Tom Crean and Kenny Johnson even more opportunity to pry top talent from the DMV, as now they players would be able to play a few games in front of their families. And what about IUfb? I agree that the additions dilute traditional rivalries, but both of these schools would be winnable games, meaning even more of a shot at a bowl game. Then there is the money issue that steers the ship. Both reside in extremely large TV markets, resulting in (hopefully) much larger payouts due to increase in TV sets with BTN. Some have said that pro sports rule all in the DMV and NYC. This is true, but I believe that the number of Maryland fans that would have to get BTN+the number of current Big 10 alumni in the area would make a big move in the market. And NYC? If FOX can package YES and BTN to the New York/New Jersey area cable providers successfully, this would be the largest coup in modern sports. It is about the almighty dollar whether we like it or not. We evolve, or the natural selection of the major college sports landscape will weed us out, Big East style.

  • One line from these articles on the Big Ten taking in Maryland and Rutgers stood out to me:
    “Apparently the (Big Ten) conference is no longer so discriminating.”
    My sentiments exactly.

  • Evansville Hoosier

    I’m not sure about the Cyclones academics, but Kentucky’s probably don’t match up. Love to have Mizzou, and I still don’t know why we don’t. Not enough money from that area? I don’t know, they’re impressive athletically and academically and match geographically. I just don’t understand.

  • Evansville Hoosier

    I’d love to see the addition of Mizzou. Obviously Notre Dame is the major target, but they’ll never join as a full member in football anywhere; why would they? As far as other targets go if we’re trying to reach 16, not many more fit academically, athletically and geographically, which, as a fan, is what matters to me most. I don’t know about KU’s academics, but they have potential… Football would most likely keep them out though. I’d like to see the addition of Vanderbilt; certainly fits the bill academically, and isn’t too far from the geographic footprint. I’m excited to see this play out, even if I’d rather see us stick to 12.

  • Evansville Hoosier

    I’d love to see the addition of Mizzou. Obviously Notre Dame is the major target, but they’ll never join as a full member in football anywhere; why would they? As far as other targets go if we’re trying to reach 16, not many more fit academically, athletically and geographically, which, as a fan, is what matters to me most. I don’t know about KU’s academics, but they have potential… Football would most likely keep them out though. I’d like to see the addition of Vanderbilt; certainly fits the bill academically, and isn’t too far from the geographic footprint. I’m excited to see this play out, even if I’d rather see us stick to 12.