• Derbus

    Ran upon this extensive article on IU’s accelerated graduation program for IU hoops players:
    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-07-03/sports/sns-mct-creans-comets-in-flight-20120703_1_tom-crean-coach-crean-christian-watford?pagewanted=all
    A STELLAR feature & benefit CTC markets to recruits!
    For those wondering, Cody will finish his degree in December 2013 if he stays.

  • does it just say…total opposite of UK’s?
    OK…it really doesnt say that but it should. Awesome read!

  • jpniles

    While I, unfortunately, think it is an unlikely scenario, could you imagine Zeller (another year older) and NoVo on the court together? I do believe that would be RIDICULOUS!!!

  • jpniles

    I know it has been said, but can you just imagine what happens when JeNay Jackson gets a hold of this monster. Look at the difference in Zeller over a year. Look at Yogi in a matter of just months. It is a great time to be a Hoosier!

  • jpniles

    While I would love to get wrapped up in the emotion of your post and certainly have no love for Calipari, the facts are not on your side. I do not think possible losses vs. wins play into it that much. It is a recruiting issue. Period. They want more people able to see a game for more exposure.

    Grant it, UK is down this year compared to past years, however they are sitting on a recruiting class that will likely make them preseason #1 next year. Especially, when you look at who will be staying. I saw them play Maryland the other night, and the only pro-ready guy on the floor seemed to be Archie Goodwin (IF he can stay consistent). I think Poythress is the only one that has a real shot of going pro after this year and that will be a draft on potential. I really think Nerlens will need to stay another year to see his stock go up. When you add the twins, Marcus Lee, James Young, and one of the following: Dekari Johnson, Aaron Gordon, or Andrew Wiggins, this is going to be a sick team. Talent will never be a problem for UK, unfortunately. I think we are going to see IU and UK as #1 and #2 a lot over the next years. They are going to emerge as THE premiere programs in the NCAA. And that is where your analysis on ideologies proves to be the weight of your argument. We do it right. Player development and academics are part of the discussion… not JUST basketball.

  • chiswede

    Every time we land a recruit, there’s a ton of posts assuming that Zeller isn’t staying for 4 years. We all know he’s incredible, and he clearly COULD jump anytime he wants, but is there any indication from him that he’s actually going to? Both of his brothers probably could have gone early (especially Tyler), but they didn’t. He doesn’t need the money, and when he first came in, I was always pumped that it seemed like his parents would make him stay the full four years.

    Anyone have anything apart from assumptions that he’s going to leave early?

  • IUMIKE1

    We will just have to agree that we disagree. Yes, I believe the recruiting angle is a factor in this to a certain degree but not the way that you seem to see it. pUKe is already getting more exposure than any other school out there, they hardly need to change venues for our game or any other games for more exposure especially with today’s options when it comes to obtaining exposure. I also think looking at wins vs losses plays right into his recruiting thinking and he sees it as hurting him not only that way but at the same time having to answer to the blinded by blue faithful for us being the one to, more than likely, break his home court win streak and about how he was losing to us more often than he was beating us. Not to mention that CTC (and others) would be able to point out that going to pUKe is not the only, and even not necessarily the best way, to get to the next level AND be successful when getting there.

    I will be very surprised if there is less than 3 or 4 who make the jump next year. Calipayoff’s system is predicated on this being the way that things work. As you point out with everyone that they have committed for next year there is simply not room for everyone and would create a scholarship situation that would make ours look like a walk in the park. Noels and company are not going to stay around next year and take a chance of their stock going down, not to mention that next year’s draft is setting up to be a very weak one.

    You are right when you say that it is not just about bball, that is also about things like academics and player development, that is why I said, CTC, unlike Cali, cares about his players on AND off the court (academics) as well as after they leave the program for more than recruiting purposes.

    Good discussion.

  • marcusgresham

    With Crean’s penchant for wings they’re going to start calling us the Indiana Hooters

  • marcusgresham

    Guys don’t have to be “ready” to make the jump and get drafted, especially at Kentucky. See: Orton, Daniel.

  • marcusgresham

    Not sure how you could speculate that Luke Zeller could have gone early when he didn’t get drafted after 4 years.
    I also don’t see Cody staying a fourth year if he’s graduated in 2 1/2 or 3.

  • marcusgresham

    Bird wasn’t that high of a recruit at that time.

  • marcusgresham

    “Calbert Cheaney, a Hoosier legend.” That’s one thing you miss with the BTN, those great commercials—even the Purdue ones were great (Neil Armstrong, wasn’t it?) Then again, they even had the one with Oscar Robertson, who didn’t stay in-state.

  • marcusgresham

    “Calbert Cheaney, a Hoosier legend.” That’s one thing you miss with the BTN, those great commercials—even the Purdue ones were great (Neil Armstrong, wasn’t it?) Then again, they even had the one with Oscar Robertson, who didn’t stay in-state.

  • HoosierTrav

    Exactly! I also don’t see how Cody can pass up being the #1 pick, if this ends up being the case. Next year he won’t have any shot at going top 3. Maybe after his 4th year he could make it back into the top 3. Most likely will never have the opportunity to be #1 overall again. While many on here may not think being the #1 overall pick is a big deal, IT IS! Big time notch on the belt of CTC. On the flip side, when thinking if he were to stay, he could be a part of one of the greatest Hoosier teams ever! It will be that good! Better than UK and their great class coming in. I don’t think wiggins ends up at UK. He will be a Seminole. I would bet money on it. I think UK is still set to grab either Randle or Gordon. If Zeller stays, I don’t see Kentucky having enough experience, depth, and overall versatility at every position to beat us. I really don’t think all of hoosiernation fully comprehends the gravity of what’s happening in Bloomington. CTC just stole 2 blue choppers away from UNC, Syracuse, Louisville, and O$U in a VERY short time period. This recruiting edge is at the beginning stages. I have this feeling that we are going to have many AA’s wearing the candy stripes in the next few decades. Feels good to be back. I just pray that I don’t ever take this for granted.

  • IUMIKE1

    Thank you marcus, was going to put that little, “perfect example”, in my reply below, but figured I had already went a little long….even for me.

  • IUMIKE1

    Thank you marcus, was going to put that little, “perfect example”, in my reply below, but figured I had already went a little long….even for me.

  • IUMIKE1

    Thanks for posting that link. You are exactly right, it is a stellar feature. That article should some how find its way into the hands of every recruit’s parent(s) by way of someone other than CTC so as to back up what he is telling them through an independent source. If you’re a parent and one who truly cares how could you not want your kid to play for CTC after reading quotes like the ones that were in that article.

  • chiswede

    Yea, you’re right about Luke. I didn’t realize he didn’t even get drafted. I read about the early graduation thing after I posted, so that pretty much ices any hopes of 4 years for sure, and probably 3 as well.