Around the Hall: IU opens at No. 3 on Pomeroy

Around the Hall is recommended reading from the Inside the Hall staff:

· Tempo-free stat guru Ken Pomeroy is out with his preseason rankings and Indiana starts at No. 3. Pomeroy explained how his preseason ratings are calculated in a blog post.

· Dan Hanner of Basketball Prospectus also released his preseason rankings, 1-345, and the Hoosiers took the top spot.

· BeeJay Anya talked to Zagsblog about his decision to cut his list to Indiana and North Carolina State.

· Cody Zeller was a near unanimous pick for the preseason Associated Press All-American team.

· The Cleveland Plain Dealer has a nice feature on the Zeller family that focuses on how Tyler differs from his brothers, Cody and Luke.

· Tom Crean talks to Rick Bozich of WDRB.com about the similarities between Cody Zeller, Andrew Luck and Tim Tebow.

· Indiana’s exhibition opponent, Indiana Wesleyan, is ranked No. 4 in the preseason NAIA Division II coaches top 25 poll.

· After missing the entire preseason, Hornets guard Eric Gordon may begin the season in a reserve role.

  • The_Real_Assembly_Hall

    We also do not know what was with held from this story for whatever hypothetical motives. In the same interview he could have said the same exact things about Indiana, but they were not included in the story. It seems very heavy NC State in the article, but this could be viewed just the same as political propaganda.

  • jmoney

    Found it…still not sure why he didn’t vote for him. Maybe trying to make the point that these preseason rankings/awards mean little-to-nothing? http://www.cleveland.com/sports/college/index.ssf/2012/10/cody_zeller_indiana_preseason_all_america_team.html#incart_flyout_sports

  • The_Real_Assembly_Hall

    No no I completely understand, and was trying to be as cool as possible. If anything I was playing devils advocate because nobody wants a negative rumor started. That’s all man. Setup an official account and join the site. Sorry if you felt you were being attacked. I was not trying to sound that way at all.

  • http://twitter.com/BlackMatt5 Matt Johnson

    I would love to have Vonleh on the team. That would another huge commit. Also he is very academic orientated so he may be another Zeller case in which he would stay 2-3 years.

  • http://twitter.com/BlackMatt5 Matt Johnson

    I would love to have Vonleh on the team. That would another huge commit. Also he is very academic orientated so he may be another Zeller case in which he would stay 2-3 years.

  • millzy32

    I live in Cleveland and everyone hates the Plain Dealer. Pretty crappy rag if you ask me. What was the writers name that shunned Cody?
    I do like the story about the Zeller brothers though. Good to see that Luke has found a job in the NBA.

  • Remy Willing and Abell

    OFF TOPIC HERE : But just wanted to throw out there that Coach Wilson has ( 3 ) four star recruits !!! I think Wilson is doing a heck of a job and hope that Hoosier nation supports this team Saturday against Iowa ! GO HOOSIERS

  • Jake

    He told Peegs that it was because he knew Cody would already make it, so he wanted to give credit to someone else.

  • Jake

    He told Peegs that it was because he knew Cody would already make it, so he wanted to give credit to someone else.

  • SS8941

    First the Kenny Johnson hire (obvious DC area recruiting ploy), statements by Coach Crean about the program’s goal being “getting guys ready for the next level”, now this Perea/Jurkin eligibility stuff. Even though the eligibility of Peter/Hanner are just rumors, it makes me question what the hell might be going on in Cook Hall?

  • Derbus

    Elton Alexander

  • Drewp1

    What rumors?

  • MillaRed

    Butt Face

    I mean Elton Alexander

    Sorry man sorry. Damn auto correct

  • MillaRed

    Butt Face

    I mean Elton Alexander

    Sorry man sorry. Damn auto correct

  • SS8941

    Apparently Coach Crean dodged questions regarding their eligibility. There is also an article in the Herald-Times about it, but I haven’t read it because I don’t have a subscription. I’ve heard it may have to do with A-Hope.

  • SCHoosier

    He starts there immediately..not sure about IU but a lot of minutes for certain.

  • Drewp1

    Oh, I saw that too on Sunday. Thought there was something new.

  • jwcasey

    I wasn’t able to read the piece in the Herald-Times either. Is this stemming from the alleged reception of improper benefits from Mark Adams? I thought that was sorted out back in 2011, or have there been further developments since then?

  • jwcasey

    I wasn’t able to read the piece in the Herald-Times either. Is this stemming from the alleged reception of improper benefits from Mark Adams? I thought that was sorted out back in 2011, or have there been further developments since then?

  • hoosier1158

    And Cody outplayed last years #1 draft pick, twice!

  • hoosier1158

    Nerlens isn’t even close to Davis. This is a whole new team, they are way over-rated…

  • Evansville Hoosier

    Tell me, what’s wrong with hiring Kenny Johnson because he’s a good recruiter with connections in DC? Is that illegal?

  • Evansville Hoosier

    Right, I’m not suggesting he stop. Attempting to quantify everything there is around us is one of the most interesting things in the world to me. I was just saying I don’t put too much stock in them, whereas if we were 10th come December, but still ranked 1st, I might be a little scared.

  • SS8941

    I’m not saying I know that anything’s wrong with it, but he was the AAU coach of Stan Robinson and BeeJay Anya. That kind of smells dirty to me.

  • SS8941

    ITH picked that ESPN “investigation” apart as soon as it came out, IU did nothing wrong. However I did hear about some possible high school transcript issues, which could indicate some wrong doing.

  • SS8941

    ITH picked that ESPN “investigation” apart as soon as it came out, IU did nothing wrong. However I did hear about some possible high school transcript issues, which could indicate some wrong doing.

  • CreanFaithful

    Literally none of those things are red flags. Kenny Johnson has already proven to be a strong hire. There are eligibility issues all the time that are not associated with breaking rules. Look at Guy-Marc Michel. The implications in your statement are ridiculous whether intended or not.

  • SS8941

    Two things IU fans needs to STOP doing:

    1. Bringing up the UK game last year. They beat us in the tourney, and then won the championship. We are starting to sound like Purdue fans who like to brag about their all-time record against IU. If I see just one “Banner Up” sign this year I’m going to use it as toilet paper.

    2.Worrying about pre-season rankings and honors. IU was picked to finish 9th last year, which tells you how useful pre-season rankings are too. Who cares if some writer who can’t tell his shit from cherry pie doesn’t pick IU #1, or Zeller as an All-American, we know how good this team is so why worry about what everyone else thinks!

  • CreanFaithful

    If you watch the Big 10 media breakout, you can see how Crean “dodged” the question. Reading too much into it…. Eligibility? Could be an issue. But the way you are questioning this seems like you are implying wrong doing, which is not the case.

  • SS8941

    I’m well aware that the NCAA is incoherent. However all these things combined indicate to me at least that there is a chance that this program isn’t as squeaky clean as we’d all like to believe. I really, really hope that everything is fine and I have a feeling that it will be. Coach Crean being overly concerned with getting guys to go pro rubs me the wrong way though.

  • SS8941

    I haven’t seen that. Maybe I am taking it too far, but I am more concerned with things being done right rather than winning so that’s why I am a little worked up over this. I wonder if he is even allowed to comment on the eligibility?

  • CreanFaithful

    I still don’t understand. “These things combined?” Hiring a guy that helps land top talent recruits is something EVERY coach in the nation wants. We’re not just taking anyone. Crean has stressed over and over again the importance of getting high character winners. I have never once heard Crean emphasize getting guys into the league. In fact, many of our players are pushing to graduate in 3 years. Which to me stresses the importance of education. Why else would you take on that work load if you are just going to jump to the next level?

  • CreanFaithful

    Completely agree with this.

  • CreanFaithful

    Completely agree with this.

  • CreanFaithful

    I enjoyed reading this post, but you won’t convince me that Nerlens is a product of IQ and effort, nor Davis last year for that matter. It’s just not that simple. That being said, the lineup you listed would be very strong. You might also consider subbing Jurkin for Wat and run some 3-2…

  • SS8941

    From what I’ve heard Scott Drew is pretty big on “character” too. I read somewhere today where Crean did say getting guys to the NBA was a goal (I’m paraphrasing), but I think that should be a side product of being a great player. The first goal of any college sports program should be to make sure players get a degree, not to be a pipeline to the pros.

  • SS8941

    From what I’ve heard Scott Drew is pretty big on “character” too. I read somewhere today where Crean did say getting guys to the NBA was a goal (I’m paraphrasing), but I think that should be a side product of being a great player. The first goal of any college sports program should be to make sure players get a degree, not to be a pipeline to the pros.

  • CreanFaithful

    Well, that is a whole other debate. I don’t believe in the 1 year rule. If a young man has the skills required for the NBA, he should be allowed to go. However, the NCAA is in bed with the NBA. As long as these young men are required to attend one year and one year only of college (which is obviously a mockery of academics), then we shouldn’t expect anything different. Aside from that, I would like to see/hear what you are referencing in regards to Crean’s comments. Again, why is he encouraging players to take on the work load required to graduate in 3 years if his goal is not getting them a degree? Getting them to the pros is not a negative either.

  • http://www.insidethehall.com/ Alex Bozich

    Recruiting is about relationships. Johnson has strong ties on the east coast and that’s an area ripe with talent. I think it was a brilliant hire.

  • jwcasey

    I did a little research, partially for my own peace of mind if nothing else. Apparently the article (still haven’t read it) says something to the effect that neither Perea nor Jurkin have been cleared by the NCAA yet because of issues related to transcripts.

    A few observations:
    (1.) This Hearld-Times article was the only source reporting on this. It didn’t discuss ineligibility, rather it only pointed out that they had not yet been cleared.

    (2.) The NCAA Clearinghouse will likely issue a ruling soon if these issues DON’T involve any allegations of wrong-doing simply because the regular season begins in 10 days; Nerlens Noel wasn’t cleared until recently either.

    (3.) Both Perea and Jurkin transferred while in high school, the issue could be as simple as an administrative error on the part of a high school.

    (4.) Because the NCAA is presumably conducting an investigation to some degree into whether these players will be cleared, Coach Crean likely avoided questions only because he can’t comment on any on-going NCAA investigations no matter the subject matter involved.

    (5.) I’m not certain as to whether any wrong-doing was alleged, but given Kelvin Sampson’s recruiting violations that desecrated our hallowed program, I doubt there will be any penalties imposed for wrong-doing on the part of Coach Crean or the basketball program simply because they are hyper-aware of conducting any and all actions according to the letter of the law.

  • jayrig5

    That’s very true. Underrated aspect of those IU/UK games. When they were both on the court, Zeller looked like a much better player, head to head.

  • ScoopGeoff

    well we’ve never seen Noel play at this level. If he just tries to jump and block everything then he’ll spend a lot of time on the pine in foul trouble… To be any good he’ll need to add IQ to that athleticism.

    In the 3-2 scenario I’d prefer to have Perea on the floor instead of PJ. He is a more polished player and a superior athlete. I think PJ is probably a better man defender right now than zone, but that’s just a guess.

  • Geoff_85

    He didn’t. Here are his five:

    Peyton Siva, Louisville; C.J. McCollum, Lehigh; James Michael McAdoo, North Carolina; Doug McDermott, Creighton; and Deshaun Thomas, Ohio State

    My problem with this is the fact that he stated the reason for leaving off Cody Zeller was that he wanted other guys to get recognition because Zeller was a lock without his vote. I’m fine with that until I realize a few things: 1. Zeller was the only obvious player he didn’t vote for. McDermott received 62/65 votes and he still voted for him. 2. He also didn’t vote for Trey Burke. Ok, now I’m starting to see a little bias. 3. He voted for Sullinger last year – a unanimous preseason All American. WOW. 4. At the end of an article explaining why he didn’t vote for Zeller he says, “There’s a lot to look forward to, including the National Player of the Year vote at the end of the year.” Well that’s a revelation. We’ll be sure to beg you for your vote at the end of the year Elton Alexander. Give me a break. He doesn’t need your vote.

  • Steve Alford’s Hair Cut

    makes no sense? It’s called recruiting..and that is what he’s doing?

  • marcusgresham

    Yes, it’s for “Eric, Junior.” Perhaps Eron will be “EG”.

  • marcusgresham

    Yes, it’s for “Eric, Junior.” Perhaps Eron will be “EG”.

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