Video: Cliff Alexander, Theo Pinson highlights at adidas Nations

Class of 2014 recruiting targets Cliff Alexander and Theo Pinson were members of the losing 2014 USA Red squad in the championship game of adidas Nations on Monday, Aug. 6.

Highlights of each of their performances are below:

  • Geoff_85

    Cliff is a beast. Pinson seems like a very heady player who can fill it up. I know how much Coach Crean likes wings with long wingspans, and Theo Pinson definitely fits the bill. I wonder if he’ll venture out of state. Duke, UNC, and N.C. State have great traditions and will probably all be top ten programs next year.

  • Big D

    Here’s the thing. If you have other guys like Theo that might want come to IU and you have only a few openings. And you have someone like Lyles that commits and then decommits after we have saved a place for him for 2 years. Why wouldn’t you fill your rouster with players when you can and forget about Lyles?
    First of all Lyles probably plans to be one-n-done where others may plan to be around for several years. Both are five star rated.
    Second, it sends a message to future recruits that we won’t hold a spot for you if you decommits.
    Third, EVERYONE is replacable!!!! No matter how great we or they thing they are!!! The world will not end (no matter how may of the IU nation are ready to slit their wrists when we lose one recruit).

  • Hack Wilson

    We got in late on Cliff Alexander, and Pinson seems to have offers from every program in the country. While I love watching guys like this play, what are our realistic chances at landing either of these guys? 10% chance on Cliff, 20% chance on Theo is my best bet.

    All of this brings me to another observation. Excluding Cody and Yogi (both in-state guys), we can’t seem to get our name on a top 25 recruit. 2013 is good, but far from great. 2014 was shaping up to be great, but we all know what happened there. So, what is going on? We don’t recruit 75% of these top 25 guys (probably for good reason), and the others just don’t seem to have much interest in IU. It has been an “offer only” situation, from what I see. It’s hard to question Crean’s recruiting when you look at Vic and Will, but top-tier guys are not bad to have either. Plus, it’s exciting for all of us fans!

  • http://twitter.com/erikholm Erik Holm

    Yep. Right now we have 5 guys verbally committed for 2013 & 2014 and only 1 guy is ranked in the top 100. That would be Stan Robinson ranked 56.

    I know we have high hopes for the other guys…but, this is an average crop we have coming in so far. I saw somewhere our 2013 class was ranked #7. This will fall as other player start to commit. Unless we get some better players signed up, it is this year or bust for a Final 4 run.

    When people prefer to have 4 year guys versus 1 or 2 years & done guys, the one thing people miss is that the 4 year guys, while developing & riding the bench, burn up schollys that could be going to someone ready to play from day 1. In a couple years, when we look to the bench & it’s slim with only a couple players able to contribute & 4-5 other Fr./So. guys “developing”, you’ll be wishing we had 1-2 & done types like Cliff & Theo.

    The withdraw of Lyles commitment is a big deal. Don’t kid yourselves.

  • http://www.facebook.com/eric.wojcik Eric Wojcik

    This is really spot on. Despite what semed a lot of good news, we’re really recruiting project players. We’ve had success with Oladipo and Sheehey, etc., but the players coming in are no guarantee. Lyles was easily our highest ranked recruit, and losing him does look bad.
    After Zeller leaves we no longer have player-of-the-year candidates. At all.

  • DarkSouth

    Two things:

    1) Some of the guys we recruited were highly ranked when the committed.

    + Blackmon was a 5-star, top 25 player before getting injuried in the winter. He dropped because no one has seen him play this summer. Don’t sleep on him, he could be really special.

    + Perea was a 5-star on some lists when he committed. Hollowell is a boarderline 5-star on some lists.

    + Hartman was seen as arguably the best player his age in the state and Davis was also maybe top-50 (though I could be misremembering). They may have dropped in the rankings but it doesn’t mean they won’t fill important roles.

    2) Crean has a proven eye for underrated talent.

    + Fischer and Robinson are both winners who seem like they’re going to strongly outperform their rankings. They’ve both been winning at a high level and both seem to have high ceilings.

    Rankings can be helpful but they’re imperfect. We can all name several guys off hand who he’s taken from outside the top-100 for which it worked out pretty well. I trust he know’s what he’s doing, don’t worry too much about the numbers beside the name.

  • DarkSouth

    Two things:

    1) Some of the guys we recruited were highly ranked when the committed.

    + Blackmon was a 5-star, top 25 player before getting injuried in the winter. He dropped because no one has seen him play this summer. Don’t sleep on him, he could be really special.

    + Perea was a 5-star on some lists when he committed. Hollowell is a boarderline 5-star on some lists.

    + Hartman was seen as arguably the best player his age in the state and Davis was also maybe top-50 (though I could be misremembering). They may have dropped in the rankings but it doesn’t mean they won’t fill important roles.

    2) Crean has a proven eye for underrated talent.

    + Fischer and Robinson are both winners who seem like they’re going to strongly outperform their rankings. They’ve both been winning at a high level and both seem to have high ceilings.

    Rankings can be helpful but they’re imperfect. We can all name several guys off hand who he’s taken from outside the top-100 for which it worked out pretty well. I trust he know’s what he’s doing, don’t worry too much about the numbers beside the name.

  • Casey B.

    Literally one year ago, IU fans were hoping for a .500 season and an NIT berth. Give it time. With success comes – generally – more success. Recruiting is a long process, and we only recently regained the proof on the court that our program is legit.

  • DarkSouth

    I think we’ve already been successful on the recruiting trail, I like the guys we have committed in ’13 and ’14.

    I’m just saying that success isn’t always a class of 5-stars, but also we’ve got sought after guys who just happened to have dropped in the ratings lately.

  • SCHoosier

    Remember that two years ago non e of these potential recruits would even answer a phone call from the IU program…now they at least have IU on their list for consideration and perhaps a campus visit./ Progress! With the performance expected this coming season and the national pub that will go with it…IU’s recruiting efforts going forward should improve. I do think IU is better going after quality kids who want to play four years. Only way I could justify a one and doner is if that player is the missing link to getting to a final four.

  • Oldguyy

    Sorry Erik, but your premises are that 1) a basketball team plays 13 guys at a time, 2) a freshman who is highly-ranked is always a better player than a senior who was not as highly-ranked coming out of high school, and 3) the rankings are always perfect. None of these premises are correct.

  • Naked samurai

    You might have misread, but there is discussion of Zeller in the above. Some might say he played a significant role in this, but so far we don’t have a recruit like him yet. Hence what appears to be the point.

  • MisterSlippery

    Our recruiting took us from garbage to preseason #1 in two years. I guess that does suck.

  • http://twitter.com/erikholm Erik Holm

    @Oldguyy

    1) I’m assuming your assumption that I assume “a basketball team plays 13 guys at a time” is an assumption. 13?

    2) So, when we got 5-star recruit Zeller, we didn’t jump from last in the B1G to a 5th place last year? This year, when we have 2 5-star recruits we’ll probably finish in the top 3. Take a look at this years NBA draft and see how highly ranked the top players were. Anthony Davis or MKG ring a bell?

    3) The rankings are never “perfect”. I never said/assumed they were. Rankings are a great indicator though. I grew up in Evanston & have seen NU play with unranked players for years & they’ve never made the tourny. Take a look what our teams with lower/un-ranked players from 2009-2011. They did terribly. Look what happened when we had our last 5 star recruit, Eric Gordon. We were in the top 10 a bunch that year & started off like 20-2…then the wheels feel off, yikes.

    I’m not sure how my “premises” are wrong. I understand people have different schools of thought, it doesn’t mean someone is wrong. Someone else thinks it is “spot on”.

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