CBS Sports looks at Indiana’s scholarship crunch

CBSSports.com: Fifteen guys for 13 spots: Indiana’s delicate scholarship situation

Two players who want to play for Indiana next season will not be playing for Indiana next season, unless one or two guys give up their scholarships and pay out of pocket to wear cream and crimson. The controversy around this issue is with fifth-year senior Matt Roth, though. Roth finds himself most likely out of a gig wearing the candy pants because he’s not only graduated, he has his master’s from IU as well. There is no school left for him — he merely has a year’s worth of eligibility to use. He was honored at IU’s Senior Night last winter.

With what’s likely to be the final year of competitive organized basketball he’ll ever play, Roth would rather not leave his alma mater for another school with not nearly the chance of reaching the Final Four that Indiana has.

Roth’s case is intriguing because there’s a lot of loyalty tied to his scholarship. He signed with Indiana before Crean was the coach, back when IU was just seeing the flames of its grease fire start to spread and mutilate the program. Despite the unrest, Roth didn’t ever seek to transfer, has been a very good student and ideal teammate for the Hoosiers. He suffered a foot injury two games into the 2009-10 season, so he sat out, and because of that, he’s earned a final year on scholarship, getting a fifth year to play out four seasons — standard NCAA protocol. Roth could leave IU and transfer to another school without a one-year wait. But after doing what he has at the school and potentially being part of a title-winning team, who has a desire to leave? Of course, the choice will be made for him.

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  • HoosierGrad07

    Respectfully…disagree. I’m not sure why people think we owe Roth or anyone for that matter, anything more than 2 collegiate degrees. If we are gonna preach the whole “they are students first” garbage, then this becomes a non-issue. He was given 4 years at the program and received 2 degrees. I’d say both sides fulfilled their obligations to each other and everyone can part ways with a smile.

    As for the KY thing, be proud your school doesn’t sell out for money and understands that the students are the most important thing when it comes to IU basketball.

  • HoosierGrad07

    because of the oversign, Roth can sign anywhere with no delay.

  • Chris Pap

    Regarding oversigning, I think crean did this the wrong way. If all of you remember, he fought and fought to the end to get Gary Harris. 6 months ago we almost had another player to add to this mess. Crean knew he would be crazy over with Harris but still tried hard. How does that look to our other players. Crean will asks a player to join this family but unless He can get another 5star. Then you get cut. Not much loyalty and family. Just think it is dirty.

  • http://twitter.com/Jake_Lort Jake Lorton

    In a dream world, Tyler Zeller would pay for Cody’s tuition, and Cody would pay him back twice as much when he’s a top 5 pick. Then, Jordan Hulls becomes one of the most loved Hoosiers of all time by giving up his scholarship. Alas, this isn’t going to happen, but it’s in a dream world.

  • Remy , Willing , and Abell

    On a side note Louisville was in Blomington trying to work a deal for us to play them .Looks like we migjht play them in 2013 2014 .

    Also the lexington paper ( lexington herald ) had a slap in the face cartoon against Calipari , that implied he was scared to play IU again. you can google it .

  • iufan4life10

    Also, I don’t think coach Crean is sitting in his office saying “yes now I can get rid of one of these kids.” It seemed from everything we saw this year that this team truly enjoyed playing together and all were brothers on and off the court. I think that is evident in Roth wanting to play another year even in a reduced role.

    It is too early to criticize coach Crean for having 15 players and only 13 scholarships. I will hold judgement until there are further details of the situation.

  • iufan4life10

    Also, I don’t think coach Crean is sitting in his office saying “yes now I can get rid of one of these kids.” It seemed from everything we saw this year that this team truly enjoyed playing together and all were brothers on and off the court. I think that is evident in Roth wanting to play another year even in a reduced role.

    It is too early to criticize coach Crean for having 15 players and only 13 scholarships. I will hold judgement until there are further details of the situation.

  • iufan4life10

    From what I understand about the rule it is not limited to just a grad program not offered by your school but it can also be a different concentration within that graduate program or even different classes. I don’t know all the intricacies of the rule but there are loopholes.

  • WisconHoosier

    I liked your last line, though: Crean handled things as well as could be expected or desired. That’s a good way to put it.

    There was nothing mercenary about how we arrived at this point. It’s just the way things turned out. It could have been quite different.

  • marcusgresham

    If a kid gets hurt before any games are played (like Mo this season,) it can just be declared a redshirt if he sits out the season because a redshirt can be for any reason. If a player is hurt near the beginning of the season after games have begun he must apply with the NCAA for a medical redshirt. I believe a player is eligible for medical redshirt if he’s played in less than something like 30% of the team’s games when the injury occurs.

  • KnightEraCurmudgeon

    Hee, hee, hee, I just looked it up: now I have a new desktop background on my laptop.

  • KnightEraCurmudgeon

    Hee, hee, hee, I just looked it up: now I have a new desktop background on my laptop.

  • Casey B.

    I would agree, if Crean’s ongoing recruiting methods didn’t indicate that he’ll continue to oversign.

  • jahhoosier

    There is no possible way for any writer, blogger, or commentator to say the exact right thing about this situation.

    I would be more in Matt’s corner were he not carrying both a bachelor’s and a master’s degree and on his way to his fifth year of competition. I also suspect the fact that IU is likely to be so good next year has something to do with his desire to stay. Both lessen his claim a bit. However, he HAS a claim, and a big one. Moreover, if his desire to stay is partly based on IU’s likely success next year, he has partly earned the right because he stuck with IU when the Hoosiers were so unsuccessful. On the other other hand, since he has those degrees, of all the players who can be asked to pay his own way, Matt would seem to be at the top of the list. It’s for one year. His family has a second home. It’s for a second graduate degree.

    If Matt is the 15th claim to one of the 13 scholarships, though, I am far more concerned about whomever is the 14th. THAT is a person who has an absolute claim. He is either within his four years of matriculation or an entering freshman. This is a player who either committed to IU, stuck with IU, or both during some tough times. To revoke a scholarship or a tender is an absolute breach of trust.

    This is how “things just work themselves out,” as Coach Crean described it the other day in his presser. It’s dirty pool.

    IU was in a unique situation, I do grant. It would have been tough to envision every single player and commitment sticking with the Hoosiers during the tough times prior to this past season. It was also well known that Wat wanted to leave after his junior year.

    However, Crean also chased Gary Harris going into last year, which would have put him well outside any likely scenario. He is also discussing a class in 2013 that would put IU right back in this situation, where things just have to magically “work themselves out” all over again.

    I seriously heart Coach Crean, in that “I’ve only shaken his hand but it was a good shake and also he’s an awesome coach who has a serious thing for my alma mater” sort of way. But I seriously unheart oversigning. Over-signing is done to make sure that, what…at worst the 11th scholarship is filled? And in how many blue moons would that even be the case? And, even when it is, how many national championships were won because of the team’s 11th best player?

    There’s no need for over-signing. And the way it works out is far more likely to be cruel and incompatible with how Hoosier fans see the higher values of their program than it is to work out in a way that is consistent with those values. It is high time that Hoosier fans begin to raise a stink about it to the administration to let Glass and Crean know that it’s just not the Hoosier way, much as we like Coach Crean.

    Now, all THAT said, do I think it’s flat ridiculous that the state of collegiate athletics are such that IU can’t give a 15th scholarship to Matt Roth to get a second graduate degree…or ensure he is given financial aid to get that degree…or that Abromitis at Notre Dame is denied a sixth year…while Kentucky is constructing a title winning-program model based on kids who will never earn any degree or stay past their first year?

    It is absolutely ridiculous.

    But the fact that the NCAA rules are incompatible with what its higher values should be does not mean that IU needs to sacrifice its higher values in response.

  • Kokomo_Joe

    I think this is a very good post. Roth has earned a right to be around next season. He is the epitome of a student athlete obtaining 2 degrees in 4 years. he played for IU when we were the worst and he did it with pride and in a manner that all fans appreciate.
    I personally feel Roth is getting disrespected if he comes back next season without a scholly. Take it from a guy who had to medical red-shirt in college and be a fifth year senior, a player needs a fourth year to play and complete HIS committment to the school. That’s what I think a lot of fans are overlooking. Roth committed to IU 4 years of basketball along with attaining his degree(s). His committment to IU has not been met.
    We talk about the 2012 class, but what have they done for the program? Not nearly that of a Matt Roth.
    I think we need to set talent aside here and look at the true meaning of the committment that Roth and IU had with each other. I am 100% certain that CTC had to convince Roth to stay at IU and was convinced to believe in CTC. Roth has done this. I hope CTC keeps up his end of the deal.
    BTW, no one on here screams about Mo not getting a fifth year. Just because Mo averaged 16 ppg as a FR means he will ever do it again. He has broken knee caps twice and torn an achilles on stairs, he may never be the same. Plus, I think fans remember him scoring and forget how he was frequently scored upon. I am not suggesting Mo be sent packing after next year as I feel he needs a 5th year. But, I think CTC needs to be fair.
    Someone tell me of one situation where a scholly player in any program got hurt and was not allowed to be a part of the team as a 5th year senior?

  • Kokomo_Joe

    I think this is a very good post. Roth has earned a right to be around next season. He is the epitome of a student athlete obtaining 2 degrees in 4 years. he played for IU when we were the worst and he did it with pride and in a manner that all fans appreciate.
    I personally feel Roth is getting disrespected if he comes back next season without a scholly. Take it from a guy who had to medical red-shirt in college and be a fifth year senior, a player needs a fourth year to play and complete HIS committment to the school. That’s what I think a lot of fans are overlooking. Roth committed to IU 4 years of basketball along with attaining his degree(s). His committment to IU has not been met.
    We talk about the 2012 class, but what have they done for the program? Not nearly that of a Matt Roth.
    I think we need to set talent aside here and look at the true meaning of the committment that Roth and IU had with each other. I am 100% certain that CTC had to convince Roth to stay at IU and was convinced to believe in CTC. Roth has done this. I hope CTC keeps up his end of the deal.
    BTW, no one on here screams about Mo not getting a fifth year. Just because Mo averaged 16 ppg as a FR means he will ever do it again. He has broken knee caps twice and torn an achilles on stairs, he may never be the same. Plus, I think fans remember him scoring and forget how he was frequently scored upon. I am not suggesting Mo be sent packing after next year as I feel he needs a 5th year. But, I think CTC needs to be fair.
    Someone tell me of one situation where a scholly player in any program got hurt and was not allowed to be a part of the team as a 5th year senior?

  • Kokomo_Joe

    The school and basketball program have to file the paperwork with the NCAA for review. There is usually a deadline for this to be filed.
    Once received, the NCAA takes their sweet time to review this.
    Being that Roth played under 30% of the games in his season of injury, there should be no issues with them granting a 5th year.
    I would hate to see Roth play somewhere else next season if he wanted to play a 5th year since he has earned his degree. That would make IU look very bad. It’s not like the kid served water for 4 years.
    Yes, Roth has a specific role, but it is a role that is required 8 to 10 minutes a game and helps us win every game.
    On top of this, Roth is a great kid and deserves to be treated and rewarded fairly.

  • Kokomo_Joe

    I said this a couple weeks ago, but I have heard a rumbling that 1 or 2 players from the 2012 class may not qualify through the NCAA Clearinghouse to play next season.
    If this is the case, I think it is crap that Roth has to wait to see what unfolds in this situation. Roth has given a lot of sweat equity in this program.
    Someday hind sight will be 20/20, until then, think about how you would feel as the parent of Roth and not a fan of IU basketball.

  • Hardwood83

    I’m sure your analysis is right (although IU definitely loses @ Penn State without him) BUT wouldn’t you still rather have Roth then not have him? I sure would, especially if it was ‘free’ (academic scholarship or walk-on).

    I don’t think he’s ‘the’ missing piece to a championship necessarily, just a great kid I’d like to see back. I’m a hopeless romantic wishing for a happy ending!

  • IUMIKE1

    Every IU bball fan, no make that every college bball fan should see this cartoon……from the Lexington, Ky paper at that.

    yhoo.it/JQoK1X

  • IUMIKE1

    Every IU bball fan, no make that every college bball fan should see this cartoon……from the Lexington, Ky paper at that.

    yhoo.it/JQoK1X

  • http://www.insidethehall.com/ Alex Bozich

    Just happened at Louisville with Jared Swopshire. He left for Northwestern.

  • calbert40

    I completely agree. If Roth wants to continue his education at IU, I think that is fantastic. However, since he already has a BA and master’s, I think he should play as a walk-on, if he wants to continue playing as a Hoosier.

    And for the record, I hope he does. I like Roth.

  • calbert40

    This situation occurred, due to injury and players choosing to stay instead of leave. Also, factor in the uncertainty around Mo’s availability, and it would have been borderline negligent for CTC to not seek out an extra player or two.

    I know you and I discussed this previously, but IU has had at least 1 player leave the program EVERY year for the past 5 seasons before he graduated. For CTC to plan as though it might happen again is what nearly any one of us would have done given the same set of circumstances.

    RE: Roth, he has already earned two degrees for free due to playing basketball for IU, and I believe that given our set of circumstances, he should not expect a scholarship next season. If we had one to give, I am certain that CTC would give him one, but I don’t believe it should be expected.

  • calbert40

    And everyone complaining about the oversign issue would instead be complaining that CTC didn’t prepare properly for the ’12-’13 season. “Why didn’t he see this coming?”

    And this may happen next year too. Look at next year’s scholarship situation. We currently have 13 people on roster for next year, and we may sign another 1 or 2 yet for that class. If Cody and Vic both stay, and Mo receives another year of eligibility, we could have a similar situation.

    What does he do? I guess there are two choices: 1) plan for the worst and sign extra players with the expectation that something you don’t expect will happen. 2) hope everything goes to plan and don’t oversign anyone.

    Count me in group 1.

  • HoosierTrav

    100% agree with you on this. I truly believe this is exactly what will happen.

  • HoosierTrav

    I think you’ll get your happy ending. I wouldn’t want Patterson to go to a prep school over having Roth stay though. Patterson is ready to defend at an elite level NOW! We cant ask him to do that. He’ll transfer to another B1G school. Why is it so hard for everyone to fathom two players giving up a scholly to play on a National Championship contender? If these guys with degrees can afford to pay then they should pay. I’d bet a good amount of money that we have a few stand up kids offer their schollys up for the incoming frosh who will surely make us better. Patterson will develop into a pro under Tom Crean in a few short years.

  • HoosierTrav

    I’d feel like my son has a free Masters degree. Are you serious?

  • chris

    Where would Roth stand if he got his undergrad in his 4th year and was halfway through his master’s by the end of this summer? Would that change the situation?

  • b_side

    While the 2012 class hasn’t done anything “on the court,” I think it’s fair to say that the commitments of Jurkin, Buss and Parea contributed to the recruitment of Cody. They were, after all, teammates on Indiana Elite

    Without Cody, we may not have landed Yogi. Without Yogi, perhaps no Hollowell, etc, etc, etc, etc.

    The Movement, without even stepping foot in Bloomington, has already done plenty so please don’t disparage them.

  • b_side

    While the 2012 class hasn’t done anything “on the court,” I think it’s fair to say that the commitments of Jurkin, Buss and Parea contributed to the recruitment of Cody. They were, after all, teammates on Indiana Elite

    Without Cody, we may not have landed Yogi. Without Yogi, perhaps no Hollowell, etc, etc, etc, etc.

    The Movement, without even stepping foot in Bloomington, has already done plenty so please don’t disparage them.

  • IUeconAlum

    I’m surprised Roth doesn’t get some graduate assistantship funding through the department he earned his masters degree. Why not stick around. If that isn’t possible, and he still wants to stick around a year, then he should get the scholly from b-ball. He’s never been flashy, but he is still the best shooter on that team, he won us some games last year, he set a 3-point record (at Indiana!) and is everything we hope are players will be off the court. Whatever decision is made, if he wants to stay and play, then IU should pay up.

  • marcusgresham

    I don’t think he’s able to get financial assistance from the school for academics and it not count as a scholarship towards the numbers. If this were allowed everyone would be doing it to stockpile as many players as possible.
    The one place I think it is (or at least used to be) allowed is if the school gives free tuition to the children of its employees (i.e. when Sean Sutton played for Eddie at Oklahoma St. or Saul Smith for Tubby at UK.)

  • HoosierKen73

    I do not think Patterson to a prep school is going to be in the cards. That would not be an acceptable solution to this dilema. Patterson is a terrific athlete, capable of being a contributor as a freshman. Just do not think it’d be fair to expect him to go to a prep school, more than any other of the members of the ‘movement’. What kind of signal would that be to future recruits? Not a good one to be sure. Crean won’t let that happen, believe me.

  • HoosierKen73

    I think you’re right.. He can’t get money from any IU source, or it still counts as a scholarship.

  • Kokomo_Joe

    Dead serious!
    He’d have his masters degree and 1 year of eligibility left. Probably not having been a former college athlete, you may not be able to grasp what I am saying.
    I am sure that basketball brings much joy and happiness to Matt Roth’s life. If you were his parent, you’d like to see him at IU on scholly for one more year.

  • Classof73_N1Fan

    Fantastic cartoon!!!!!!!!!
    That sould ruffle Cheatapari!

  • Classof73_N1Fan

    Fantastic cartoon!!!!!!!!!
    That sould ruffle Cheatapari!

  • Classof73_N1Fan

    I think the slap to the face of Calipari by Crean over insisting the game is “for the students” and should be played in Assembly Hall showed the kind of integrity we want at IU. We are totally behind your decision Coach.
    But is ovsigning showing that same integrity? Are showing integrity when it looks good to do so but not in ‘winning at all means”? Did John Wooden oversign? I doubt it.
    This things starting to smell. Are we in this position because of Sampson?

  • IUJeff

    GH
    always favored MSU. CTC had to appear to give chase. Nuff said.

  • IUJeff

    Buss is going to be special at IU.

  • IUJeff

    Buss is going to be special at IU.

  • IUJeff

    His inability to get his own shot is a known thing. He should have gotten a couple more looks per game off of set plays.

  • mrjonessodaandme

    For sure. But thats the college basketball era we live in. He won’t stop, and frankly he can’t. Or we will be left out in the cold some years.

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