Could Kansas replace Kentucky on Indiana’s schedule?

With an expired contract and both sides with different ideas on where the series should be played, the possibility of the Indiana-Kentucky series being placed on hiatus next winter seems real.

Indiana Athletic Director Fred Glass told Inside the Hall’s Justin Albers last week that he would prefer the series to remain at Assembly Hall and Rupp Arena, but Kentucky is pushing for a return to neutral sites.

Before returning to a home-and-home format in 2007, the annual clash between the Hoosiers and Wildcats had been played at Freedom Hall in Louisville and the RCA Dome in Indianapolis.

“I strongly prefer to keep the games on the respective campuses,” Glass told Inside the Hall on April 5. “We owe it to our student bodies to try to do that.”

If the situation can’t be resolved, it appears the Hoosiers may have found a suitable replacement: Kansas.

Word trickled out over the weekend in this Courier-Journal column about the possibility of a series with the Jayhawks and Tom Crean acknolwedged it as a real possibility to ESPN.com:

“We’ll have to wait and see,” Crean said. “We’re not overscheduling. We’re not playing Kentucky if we’re playing Kansas.”

Kansas and Indiana have talked about starting a series next season. “There is interest on both sides, and the networks want to do it,” Crean said.

Crean said he isn’t sure if the Kentucky game would survive as a series, whether it’s at a neutral site, next season or at all.

If Kentucky won’t commit to playing the game at Assembly Hall and Rupp Arena, Crean and Glass will have a decision to make. And there are several factors to consider.

Is Indiana better off playing Kentucky at a neutral site than not at all? The rivalry is back thanks to a couple of great games this past season, but part of what made the first game great was the atmosphere in Assembly Hall. Much of that would be lost in a neutral site game.

Does Indiana need another game in Indianapolis? The Hoosiers played a regular season game last year against Notre Dame in Conseco Fieldhouse and they’ll do so again next winter (Butler). With the importance of non-conference home games as a revenue source for the athletic department, this will be a consideration.

 If IU agrees to a neutral site series, where would the games be played? Louisville has not allowed Kentucky to play in the Yum! Center and an IU-Kentucky game is unlikely to be an exception to that rule, especially when the Cardinals have expressed interest in a series with IU. So that leaves Freedom Hall, which is outdated and lacks the amenities that can be provided in Bankers Life Fieldhouse or Lucas Oil Stadium.

Is Kansas an adequate replacement? No question. The atmosphere at Phog Allen Fieldhouse is among the best in the country and the Jayhawks are an all-time top ten, maybe top five, program. Kansas isn’t Kentucky, but if IU is looking for a home-and-home, this series would be near the top of the wish list.

Neither side has placed a timeline on a resolution, but Glass did tell Inside the Hall last week that he hopes to have things worked out “soon.”

  • Stlbam

    I would agree to the UK neutral site game but for only one year at Lucas Oil since the state of Kentucky has no viable venues. Both schools would get huge paydays and Hoosier fans who normally miss out on a game at Rupp or even at AH could have the chance to see this mega matchup. After UK’s new freshmen wilt under the pressure of 70k+ fans they will surely change their tune about having the games on campus. A KU series would be great but not at the cost of losing UK. I understand Crean’s reluctance to play both since he already knows we will get one of the top 3 ACC teams in the B1G/ACC Challenge.

  • JDM

     Isn’t it convenient for UK to want to revert back to a neutral site game only when there is a real threat for them to get beat at home?  BS.  I think the Crean and Glass want to keep the series going, but are not willing to conform to what Kentucky wants to do.  If UK wants a neutral site game, they can have it……in the NCAA tournament next year.

  • catronhoosier

    I was just thinking about this, It is really really nice to be an IU fan.  This is our big problem we have to deal with in the offseason.  So we wanna play the winningest program in the history of college basketball or the second winningest program. 

    I love the UK game and would like to see UofL but ideally for me I would love to see KU home and home and then UK neutral site (i know that won’t ever happen but what the hell a guy can dream right).   KU has won their conference 10 straight years.  A win over kansas home or away looks a lot better than a neutral site win over butler. 

    I am a guy who hates the cupcake games so ideally (i mean ideally in my mind not the real best situation) the  out of conference schedule would be this every year:  Home game vs some Indiana school (other than notre dame), Home and Home Notre Dame, Maui invintational, Bigten/ACC Challenge, Neutral site game UK, Home and Home Kansas, Home and Home UofL, then some scrubs to finish up until conference starts. 

     Is that brutal? yes. Would it cause us to miss the tourney? no.  With that tough schedule we would always get in the tourney barring a down year.  All of those games would be great and lets be honest, which bigten team always seems to be better prepared for the big dance than anyone else?  MSU.  I believe that is because of Izzo and also the fact that they play a brutal non-conference schedule every year.  So they are used to playing tough nonconference teams when it comes time in the tourney, and it would not hurt us in conference either because we would already be battled tested.  And i had to throw in Maui because i got a chance to go there the year IU won it back with bracey wright and them, and it was awesome

    Obviously that schedule won’t ever happen and it is way too tough but wouldn’t we all love to see those games with the potential they all have. 

  • 323SGrant

    I’d like to see the series with UK continue, preferably home and away. Never been crazy about KU vs. IU. I like some cupcakes so I can see some of the bench mob players. The Big Ten is difficult enough. Don’t want to go into the tournament with eight, nine or more losses. With some of these media guys constantly talking about total wins and winning percentage from schools that have played longer or play many more cupcakes. They rarely talk about nationa championships until final four time. At this point I don’t know if IU can beat NU, O$U, MSU, UM, Iowa, IL or WI on the road. That’s seven losses in conference. Other potential road losses would include, UK, KU, UL and the ACC team. That could easily be 9+ losses before the Big Ten and NCAA tournaments, while schools like UK, in a weaker conference, add to their all time leading win total with a weaker conference schedule.

  • N71

    Kansas will be a better series in the coming years because Kentucky will likely get stung by the NCAA and drop off significantly.

  • SCHoosier

    Until at least two of the 3 uncommitted McDonalds all-Americans decide to go to UK…game on. (again)

  • SCHoosier

    Until at least two of the 3 uncommitted McDonalds all-Americans decide to go to UK…game on. (again)

  • Glawton12

    Once UCLA gets back on track, I actually like that idea.  They’re hoops royalty.

  • catronhoosier

    yea I completely agree.  and don’t be fooled by Calipari.  he could very easily take off for the NBA if a descent job is opened. When he reached the final four at memphis the press conference after the game he was asked the same question, “will you go to the NBA or to UK if you are offered the job for either?” and his answer was exactly the same, “why would i ever wanna leave here blah blah blah”.  Don’t get me wrong I can’t blame the guy for leaving memphis to go to UK for the mere fact its UK and more money.  Im just saying that I don’t buy the fact that he is satisfied with the ideaa that he is seen as a failure at the NBA level and i believe we all accept that  it is almost a forgone conclusion that at least one, but probably both of his final fours at UK are tainted and will be vacated here in a year or two and it will be hard to get blamed if he is out of NCAA. 

  • http://twitter.com/Cehlerding Christian Ehlerding

    Dickie V said it himself, regardless of what happens, keep the Kentucky Indiana games alive, maybe even add Kansas and/or Duke to the schedule but never get rid of IU Kentucky.

  • HoosierPat

    If Calipari drops the series, he is more stupid than I thought he could be.  Why would you pass up this game?  Maybe he is scared of “The Movement”.  We sure as hell aren’t scared of his freshman team.  They may have won the championship, but we beat them.  We weren’t supposed to make the tourney, but we did and gave them a run for their money.  What’s going to happen when we are supposed to be a top 3 team every year?  Him dropping this game would involve nothing more than fear in my book.

  • BCharles9295

    They (MSU) played #1 & 2 at the beginning of the season this year and lost both times.  Did it help them ‘win’ the conference along with 2 other teams?  Probably not.  Did it help them get to the Final Four all their tired “fans” say is an expectation?  Nope.

    The media (and apparently some IU fans here) couldn’t stop singing the praises of Izzo’s scheduling and yet it was filled with just as much creampuffery as anyone else’s schedule. Anymore, it doesn’t seem to pay to schedule more challenging pre-conference schedules.

  • BCharles9295

    They (MSU) played #1 & 2 at the beginning of the season this year and lost both times.  Did it help them ‘win’ the conference along with 2 other teams?  Probably not.  Did it help them get to the Final Four all their tired “fans” say is an expectation?  Nope.

    The media (and apparently some IU fans here) couldn’t stop singing the praises of Izzo’s scheduling and yet it was filled with just as much creampuffery as anyone else’s schedule. Anymore, it doesn’t seem to pay to schedule more challenging pre-conference schedules.

  • BCharles9295

    Meh, the imminent sanctions (and they will happen) will soon take care of pUKe’s recruitin’.

  • CH

    I liked the neutral site series better. It allows alot of fans who cant go to Assembly Hall see the Hoosiers. Also very few Hoosier fans are getting tickets at Rupp. Play KU, UK and UL. Get rid of a few cupcakes. Better competition early pays off. IU doesnt make money at a neutral site? This BCS mentality of its all about the dollar has just about ruined college sports.

  • CH

    We played NC State last year and wont play them again next year. I think we get Duke and I would like a beat down on them almost as much as pUKe. A beat down of NC would be ok too.

  • HoosierFromCt

    I would love to play Louisville, Kansas, and Kentucky EVERY year. Let’s get it done. 

  • Squinkert

    I’m a student.  I got crap non-conference games excluding UK for the first two years.  Thats why.

  • HoosierTrav

    I say stack the schedule. We will be 12 deep. I don’t think it will tire us too much. If anything it prepares us mentally for the rigors of the B1G. Now the fun really starts. This kind of publicity/success might have blue chips reaching out to crean to recruit them. Gary Harris made a mistake. We might sweep him next year.

  • HoosierTrav

    I say stack the schedule. We will be 12 deep. I don’t think it will tire us too much. If anything it prepares us mentally for the rigors of the B1G. Now the fun really starts. This kind of publicity/success might have blue chips reaching out to crean to recruit them. Gary Harris made a mistake. We might sweep him next year.

  • HoosierExile

    Well, my wife is a Kansas grad and I’ve lived in Lawrence the last two years since graduating from IU. Luckily enough, we’re moving out of this dump soon. Family ties and local ties make me excited about this, but stepping back I’d much rather see Kentucky. So much more hype.

    Plus, Kansas has a game at Ohio St. this upcoming season so I’d be surprised if they want to schedule another big ten team this coming year.

  • Hoosier7883

    There was a reason for scheduling so many cupcakes in the last few years. As a player, you want and need to play the best to become better and to simply measure and prove yourself and your team. I also think you need to rethink the strength of MSU’s schedule to ours this past season. NOT the same. I’ll guarantee you that if you ask the players what they want, you would see UK and KU. That won’t happen anytime soon but playing against some of the opposition from this past year going forward with the outstanding job Crean has done, is like owning a muscle car without ever stomping on the right pedal once in awhile.

  • Evansville Hoosier

    I think the magic cupcake number is 8. That’s what I saw from most teams. Maybe there were some 7′s, but I didn’t look long enough to see them… So we only get about 6 or 7 interesting non-conference games. I say ND, UK, Butler, B1G/ACC, an invitational tournament, and… I’d say UL or KU is probably too tough. When I say “middling” I mean a top 50 program who will probably consistently be lower than 15 for the next few years. I say we add Cincinnati. That seems like a well rounded schedule.

  • IUGRADUATE

    Just curious why UK wants to play in neutral sites. Last time, Calipari said like he was trying to protect his players, not himself. But is he really?

  • HoosierFanaticFromUSI

    Interesting. UK comes into AH and gets beat, and now they want the series to go back to all neutral sites. I think IU needs to hold strong and not let UK tell them what to do in this situation. I can’t see UK ending the series when it has gotten so much hype this past year. A game at Lucas Oil Stadium would be fun, but this is college basketball. When you have 2 historic arenas like Assembly & Rupp USE THEM.

    If it were up to me, I would say keep IU UK home and home. Obvioulsy, I would prefer a neutral UKv.IU than nothing at all though.

    Bring on Kansas. Bring on Kentucky. To be the best, you have to beat the best.

    Fill in the rest of the schedule with other power 6 schools and good mid-majors. How about Ohio, VCU, Creighton, Wichita State? Or Colorado, Cincinnati, Kansas State(whiney Bruce? yes please)? They don’t have to be the cream of the crop, but IU is good enough now to where we don’t need to see them play 8 or 9 games against teams like Howard and UMBC.

  • Geoff_85

    I disagree. I truly think that it doesn’t go any deeper than pUKe being the best 1 seed and IU being the weakest 4 seed. When you look at it from that perspective, you have to think that it was fair to have IU in the same bracket as pUKe. It would have been interesting to have been the best 5 seed though. Who knows how far the Hoosiers would have gone.

  • Geoff_85

    I share your curiosity. I have never been to one of the neutral site games, but hearing people talk about it is so cool. I can’t remember which Podcast on the Brink and who the guest was, but there was a podcast where one of the guests talked about the neutral site games and it made me want to see it in that format…all about revenue now, which is understandable.

  • Geoff_85

    I share your curiosity. I have never been to one of the neutral site games, but hearing people talk about it is so cool. I can’t remember which Podcast on the Brink and who the guest was, but there was a podcast where one of the guests talked about the neutral site games and it made me want to see it in that format…all about revenue now, which is understandable.

  • Ecodustin

    Especially in mma ….. those guys can bring it!

  • Geoff_85

    As deep as IU is going to be…they may beat a few of those teams by 70, no joke. Can you imagine when IU calls off the dogs, and the team that comes onto the floor is as good as the latter half of the top 25? Maybe I’m being a little overconfident in our bench for next season…..but just a little, right?

  • HoosierFanaticFromUSI

    I don’t think it is fair to say that IU “will mostly win” against Kansas. Kansas is and has always been one of the elite programs year in and year out. They don’t end up in the top 5 every year for no reason.

  • Geoff_85

    It’s a college venue and a heated rivalry, what did you expect? Should we have rolled out red carpet for you guys? Define mistreated…if 1 of the 17 pUKe fans in attendance got their foot stepped on when we rushed the court after knocking off your team, let me apologize on behalf of Indiana University and the entire fan base. We are so very sorry. Just to be clear, IU corrected their “troubles” and SELF-IMPOSED sanctions. Let’s not sidestep the moral issue though, 90% of pUKe’s roster last year and every year that greaseball of a coach has been there probably couldn’t pass a GED exam, let alone get a decent score on the SAT’s. Of course we know they don’t have to and we know that the coach doesn’t care about them enough to even know if they could or not, so I guess it’s a moot point. At least that “jerk” that used to coach at IU cared about his players and if they didn’t go to class, they didn’t play basketball. That’s how it should be. It’s COLLEGE basketball. If greasy cal doesn’t care about the college part of basketball, he should go to the NBA and stay there. Good riddance when he does.

  • Geoff_85

    It’s a college venue and a heated rivalry, what did you expect? Should we have rolled out red carpet for you guys? Define mistreated…if 1 of the 17 pUKe fans in attendance got their foot stepped on when we rushed the court after knocking off your team, let me apologize on behalf of Indiana University and the entire fan base. We are so very sorry. Just to be clear, IU corrected their “troubles” and SELF-IMPOSED sanctions. Let’s not sidestep the moral issue though, 90% of pUKe’s roster last year and every year that greaseball of a coach has been there probably couldn’t pass a GED exam, let alone get a decent score on the SAT’s. Of course we know they don’t have to and we know that the coach doesn’t care about them enough to even know if they could or not, so I guess it’s a moot point. At least that “jerk” that used to coach at IU cared about his players and if they didn’t go to class, they didn’t play basketball. That’s how it should be. It’s COLLEGE basketball. If greasy cal doesn’t care about the college part of basketball, he should go to the NBA and stay there. Good riddance when he does.

  • Geoff_85

    Well troll, it is simple math…the projected #1 team that beat you last year and is losing practically no one, while your team loses everyone, probably has a better chance of beating you than teams that you beat last year that are not projected to be #1, one of which is losing quite a bit (UNC). Pretty simple stuff simpleton.

  • iufan4life10

    (Apologies for the long post)

    I think coach Crean might be using a possible home/home with KU as leverage against UK and I am totally fine with that.  If IU/UK can’t work out a deal for a home and home series or possibly a Lucas Oil Stadium/home/home series than move on.  I’m sure the IU-KU game would be huge and a great test for the team.  The question I have, would IU schedule a home/home with both UL and KU if we dropped UK?

    Next year the OOC schedule will be extremely difficult with the 8 games that we already know about.  This years RPI in parentheses.

    Evansville (130)

    – Legend’s Classic
    Two decent mid-majors, possibly (some of last years regional teams)
    Bucknell (91), Cleveland State (85), Princeton (89)
    Championship Rounds
    G-Town (15) – UCLA (128) – Georgia (101) –UCLA will be better

    –ACC/B1G Challenge
    UNC (4) or Duke (5) or NC State (50) –NC State will be top 10 preseason

    UK (2) or KU (6)

    – Crossroads Classic
    Butler (116) –Butler will be better, possible preseason top 25 (or close)

    MSU had the #1 overall SOS and the #18 OOC SOS last year.  They played 4 OOC games against RPI top 25 teams, 4 vs. RPI 101-200, and 4 vs. RPI 200+ teams.  IU’s OOC schedule should match or exceed MSU’s this past season.  The B1G will potentially be even better next season as it was this season.  There is no need to schedule anymore top tier teams. 

    For the remaining 5 games I would like to see one game against a power 6 conference team that is middle of the pack in their conference; KSU (49), Oklahoma State (1520), Texas (50), Mississippi State (75), Ole Miss (61), or LSU (84).  I would also like to see more Indiana schools on the schedule.  Two games against teams like Indiana State (125), Valparaiso (95), IPFW (279), or IUPUI (210).  The last two games could be filled in with the Stetsons and Howards.

  • knuckledrager

    Why does everyone keep talking about pUKes unbeaten home win streak. Didn’t they lose to Vandy at home in their last regular season game? 

  • Kokomo_Joe

    You might want to back down here a little bit Geoff_85.  The defense of the university and students are spot on.  I just find it hard to read about a greaeball coach and players who probably couldn’t pass a GED exam, let alone a decent score on the SAT’s.

    There is a function known as the NCAA Clearinghouse.  This group determines whether or not a kid is eligible, not Calipari, Crean, UK, or IU.

    Rose got busted with cheating on his SAT’s or ACT before he attended Memphis.

    And, I recall countless times that Cal wants the NCAA and NBA to instate a 2 or 3 year rule for college basketball players to stay at school and not be one and dones.

    Cal has chosen to recruit the top talent in the mnation knowing that they will probably be there for one year only.  Though I do not agree with that approach, it yielded him a championship, 2 final 4′s and an elite 8.  At this point the blame should fall squarely on the NCAA because it is there problem.

    Calipari is not breaking any rules by recruiting in this manner.

  • Kokomo_Joe

    You might want to back down here a little bit Geoff_85.  The defense of the university and students are spot on.  I just find it hard to read about a greaeball coach and players who probably couldn’t pass a GED exam, let alone a decent score on the SAT’s.

    There is a function known as the NCAA Clearinghouse.  This group determines whether or not a kid is eligible, not Calipari, Crean, UK, or IU.

    Rose got busted with cheating on his SAT’s or ACT before he attended Memphis.

    And, I recall countless times that Cal wants the NCAA and NBA to instate a 2 or 3 year rule for college basketball players to stay at school and not be one and dones.

    Cal has chosen to recruit the top talent in the mnation knowing that they will probably be there for one year only.  Though I do not agree with that approach, it yielded him a championship, 2 final 4′s and an elite 8.  At this point the blame should fall squarely on the NCAA because it is there problem.

    Calipari is not breaking any rules by recruiting in this manner.

  • Kokomo_Joe

    Sounds like Crean may be in for dropping the series too.  Some of you guys are having a very slanted view of UK.  I am an IU fan!  But I can see both sides of the equation.

    I am not a Cal apologist, I just want people to see all sides before they start posting garbage about UK or Calipari on this site.  If this is what you want to do, go to another site.

    Calipari doesn’t have to be dirty at UK, It is one of the top 3 basketball schools in the country.  The fact that he will take 1 and done’s, he is the top coach in the country to play for.  There is always vacated starting spots for Calipari to fill.  CTC, izzo, and Coach K chose not to recruit this way.  Cal does recruit this way and the fame seeking high school players chase it.  By default, Calipari get a couple top 10 players a year at UK.

  • mrjonessodaandme

    There are a couple reasons at this juncture. First and foremost, we don’t need to be giving UK any recruiting boosts in the state. Inviting them to play in Indy is just that. Secondly, while the Indy venue is great, who wants to go play in the crumbling confines of Freedom Hall.

    If we are going to play in Louisville, lets play UL in the Yum Center. 

    And lastly, we want the upperhand on UK however we can get it. If they want the neutral site and IU doesn’t we need to show them we can play hardball and get what we want. We don’t need UK. Replacing them with Kansas or UL would be just as good at this point.

  • CreamandCrimson

    No…they lost to Vanderbilt in the final of the SEC Tournament on a neutral site.  So people keep talking about the unbeaten home streak because it is in-tact.

  • plane1972

    There would have been riots in the streets of ITH if we were a 5 seed. We all would have screamed at the committee for such an insult.

  • plane1972

    That’s a really interesting and level-headed idea. Nice post.

  • plane1972

    Don’t think for a minute that Cal is scared of an IU game. Why would he be? IU/UK has been a one-sided affair going back to the waning days of the Knight Era. We care much more about this rivalry than Kentucky does. UNC has become a bigger rivalry game for them than IU. They want to keep the series alive on a neutral court because it is a money maker in that format. However, don’t mistake their unwillingness for a home-and-home series for fear of the matchup. 

  • millzy32

    Oscar Robertson isn’t coming back so Cincy is probably a little better than middling but by no means elite.  Xavier has always been a stepping stone to a better job (please see Arizona, Ohio State).  It would be great to get a game with Kansas every year but if it means cancelling the rivalry with Kentucky then he// no.  Rivalry games mean something to the fans and you just can’t cancel them because it’s not convenient to schedule them. 

  • plane1972

    Bill Self is the truth, man. His team had no business being in the Final 4 this year and he has won 8 straight Big 12 conference titles. That doesn’t just happen.

  • plane1972

    SOMEONE is gonna break it.

  • plane1972

    SOMEONE is gonna break it.

  • millzy32

    After the Wisconsin loss we looked like a 5 seed and I don’t think anyone on here would have been able to give a solid argument that we were so much better than that.  Most people that I know were shocked to see that we were a 4 seed.  Most people I know aren’t IU fans but that’s beside the point.  It actually means that their perspective isn’t as one sided as the rest of us fans.

  • millzy32

    So would I but are you willing to have it at the expens of the IU/Kentucky series?  That is the real question.

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