The Minute After: Wisconsin

Thoughts on a 79-71 loss to the Badgers:

That was a tough, frustrating one.

Time and again in the second half, Indiana seemed on the verge of overtaking the Badgers — getting it to within a one-point deficit on three separate occasions — and well, it just didn’t happen. Stops needed to be made. And Indiana just couldn’t do it.

The Hoosiers were within 42-41 with 15:40 to go after Victor Oladipo split a pair of free throws. As the Hoosiers retained possession, Christian Watford turned the ball over. Rob Wilson — more on him later — hit a three. But Indiana was right there again rather soon. Back-to-back Jordan Hulls jumpers made it 48-47 with 13:04 left. Wilson hit a another three. Wisconsin advanced the lead to nine. But Indiana began to chip away. Hulls again was the man, connecting on a shot with a shooter’s bounce to pull Indiana within one at 63-62 with 3:47 to go. It was there to be had. But Wisconsin didn’t even need a possession to get points; a Cody Zeller foul of  Jared Berggren under the basket on Hulls’ make allowed him to get to the line and hit two free throws. That was as close as Indiana would get the rest of the way.

Because then there was this: Wilson made a layup, assisted to Berggren on a dunk during that play where Zeller got crossed up on the flare screen, made another 3-pointer and a free throw during the final 3:47. He also grabbed an offensive board during a 1-and-1 situation where the Hoosiers were caught napping. Dude was just absolutely everywhere today. His seven 3-pointers were a Wisconsin record. After only scoring in double figures once this year — 11 in a loss at Iowa – and just 36 points his entire junior season he dropped 30 on the Hoosiers this afternoon. And Wilson wasn’t the only one hitting from beyond the arc for the Badgers. The team finished 13-of-26 (50%). That’s 39 points and just about half its scoring.

Indiana didn’t play a bad game here, really. The Hoosiers shot well enough (52.0 eFG%) and got to the line and connected (18-of-22 for 81.8%, 43.1 FTR). They scored more in the paint (24-18) and with second-chance opportunities (11-8). Watford continues to play like a man on fire, achieving another double-double (17 points, 10 boards). Hulls was again difficult to contain (17 points on 7-of-10 shooting). But playing from behind against a Wisconsin team shooting the ball well is a tall task, as the Hoosiers found out today.

But alas, this is not the end of the road. A No. 3 seed may now be out of sight. But come Selection Sunday in just two days, the Hoosiers are likely to be awarded a No. 4 or No. 5 seed in the NCAA Tournament.

They’ll get time to regroup and repair.

Fret not: There’s more to come.

  • Geoff_85

    Berggren manhandled Cody underneath. He responded by pushing off on a rebound where Berggren was in the air getting another rebound and appropriately got a foul called in him for it. He just needs to get tougher underneath, and when he does, this kid will average 10 rebound per game. He has all the fundamentals (positioning, blocking out, etc.), but like I said, he just needs to get a little tougher while he’s under the boards.

  • Oldguyy

    Both teams were fairly easy to score against.  The problem was that where IU was vulnerable, at the three-point line, you get more points than where Wisconsin was vulnerable, in the mid-range.  It’s disappointing because I’d thought that IU had made progress on defending the three recently.  Still, IU would have won had either Oladipo not reverted to his freshman self or Wilson not been all-world for a game.  We could still do some damage in the tournament, but I’m not looking forward to playing some mid-major that shoots lots of threes.

  • Geoff_85

    Lunardi has them as a 4 seed. He is almost never wrong, so I’ll take his prediction over your’s. He also doesn’t have them in pUKe’s bracket, he has them in UNC’s.

  • NotTheRealSteveEyl

    4th seed in UNC’s. NCAA wants Z-on-Z.

  • NotTheRealSteveEyl

    I Used to think IU really owed the guy a debt for taking out sampson’s trash. Not anymore.

    He’s a blowhard and a knowitall. And he bends over backwards to prove he’s not partial to IU.

    Doofus fer sure.

  • NotTheRealSteveEyl

    I Used to think IU really owed the guy a debt for taking out sampson’s trash. Not anymore.

    He’s a blowhard and a knowitall. And he bends over backwards to prove he’s not partial to IU.

    Doofus fer sure.

  • Tom S

     It’s not a bad loss – just a loss.

  • Kennydescombes

    Sadly enough the 2-3 defense is not terribly affective against teams that have experienced players and a lot of shooters.  However, I do think that there was a secondary reason for it.  It was probably utilized to save the legs of our team early in the game since we had come off of a game 24 hours prior.  I am not a big fan of the 2-3 zone by this team, especially with certain lineups in the game.  It just isn’t a strength for this team, and I think that without VJlll we should probably stay away from doing so on back to back possessions altogether.  But sometimes, you just need to show a different set in a game for a possession. 

  • Kennydescombes

    It may be less about being slow on the perimeter as much as it is that we are not strong enough on the interior defense causing the need to help or pinch too much.  Either way, there is really not much that we can do about it until we get some more guys that can block shots and allow Oladipo, and Sheehey to stick to a man on defense and allow others to hold their responsiblities more on their own.  It may be a fatal flaw against some of the top teams, but it is something that this team can overcome with good offense and a little luck. 

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    They got away with a horrible ‘should’ve been palming call’ as Berggren made one move.  He could’ve just picked the ball up, held it and then started dribbling again.  They got away with a horrible traveling call right before they scored on the move.  They also got away with at least two moving screens to free 3-point shooters and we had a great view at the game.  You add to that the back to back drives where VO got fouled (1 where they road him to the ground and the next when Berggren hit him square on the arm) and that changes the game completely! 

    There were Wisconsin fans yelling about how the game wasn’t being played in AH and we shouldn’t get home cooking.  SHEESH . . . that wasn’t anywhere close to home cooking!  Berggren easily had 7 fouls in that game and didn’t foul out until the final minute!

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    I have to disagree severely . . . there is NO WAY Ryan game planned to get Wilson open looks!  The dude is/was a 29% shooter!

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    I can agree with everything you said, except for the fact that the last three by Wilson was a good two full steps behind the 3-point line and he hit it with a hand in his face. 

    He’s a 29% shooter on the year, averaging 3.1 ppg.  You can’t game plan for an unexpected, out of your a** surprise performance by a bench warmer!

    Not sure why VO didn’t get more time on him.  CTC put him on Wilson briefly and he didn’t score for a couple minutes, then he moved VO back to guard Taylor and put Sheehey on Wilson who proceeded to hit a huge three when Sheehey went under a screen

    Not sure why VO or even CWat with his length didn’t get moved over on to Wilson when it was obvious he was so hot!

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    Still doesn’t change the fact he is a 3.1 ppg, 29% 3 point shooting sub . . . until this game.  He raised his ppg average by .8 points and his 3-point shooting percentage went from 29% to over 41% in one game!

  • inadvertentelbows_stillhurt

    Hoping for a 4th seed…those teams projected in the 5 – 12 matchups are going to be tough games for the higher seed.

    Being a Indy Native & IU Grad that has lived out of state for 20 yrs(currently Chicagoland)
    I love ITH…It keeps me in touch with Hoosier Nation…who at one time I would consider very basketball savvy. Those days are gone IU fans aren’t as objective and like to bash anything and everything and don’t give props to good solid basketball…always blaming refs,CTC,floor stickers,shooting backgrounds are whatever else..we can do better.

    DDakich was just saying Cody is gaining B1G refs respect  and is able to challenge shots more without getting fouls called, he is not a Hoosier hater.

    It was a great game IU came up short..Rob Wilson? “c’mon man”

    IU wish list:  VO..left hand layups…Cody…get tough…Cwat…keep playing hard..Will…hands up always on D ….Hulls….keep shooting

    GO IU!!!

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    VO showed a little immaturity yesterday.  We were at the game and he clearly started to get frustrated and even yelled at a referee once after he clearly got hit on the arm on a drive.  He either has to get tougher and finish though contact, or learn to drive and dish.

    It wasn’t doing him any good getting upset every time he thought he got fouled.

  • stevetodd73

    I can not believe we made it this year! I am so crazy excited at the notion of this team seriously contending in the dance! Go Hoosiers we are so proud of you boys.

  • stevetodd73

    I can not believe we made it this year! I am so crazy excited at the notion of this team seriously contending in the dance! Go Hoosiers we are so proud of you boys.

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    Too soft?  Are you nuts?  They beat OSU, pUKe, MSU, and PUke twice.  OSU and MSU are notoriously tough teams and physical teams and IU played MSU (probably the most physical team in the league that plays legally because Wisconsin doesn’t!) tight on the road for most of the game and dominated them at home.  Did you see how good MSU looked yesterday? 

    I was at the game and IU playing soft definitely wasn’t an issue.  They went blow for blow with Wisconsin and CWat played tough tough tough.  Yesterday’s loss was purely caused by the outburst of a normally bad shooter. 

    I think you need to step off the ledge and relax.  I would be willing to bet money that IU goes farther in the NCAA tournament than the Badgers do because IU plays with a good balance of toughness and finesse while Wisconsin can only survive in the B1G where referees let teams play like UFC fighters!

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    It was the game plan Eyl.  It was obvious that Crean wanted to take away driving lanes and pack it in and not allow Wisc to beat us up down low. 

    And it was a good game plan.  They were a 35% 3-point shooting team coming into the game and if you watch a season’s worth of basketball, which I’m sure you do, most 3-point FG attempts are pretty wide open.  That’s the nature of the shot.  So, for Wilson to come out and go 7-10 and lead Wisconsin’s 13-26 3-point shooting attack, it was purely a luck factor. 

    If IU-Wisconsin played that game 10 times, Wisconsin would shoot 30-40 percent 7-8 times and IU would win.  It was just one of those days where they couldn’t miss. 

    I thought that was a good game plan for them.  However, I do agree with most people here that CTC should’ve made an adjustment when he saw they were shooting the lights out and changed the approach.

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    Problem with VO pulling up is he was 2-12 shooting mostly layups and a few of them were easy layups.  How do you think he’d shoot from 7-10 feet if he can’t make from 1-2?

  • IUMIKE1

    Moving screen call is one that is there to be called often with UW but the no call on that one bothered me more than most since, it was so freakin’ obvious and like you say it would have been on Taylor, would have nullified the bucket and then there is the fact that it was just still yet another no call on the Badgers by the refs. The no calls are just like anything else unfair, one happening every once in a while you can live with but when it is time after time and blatantly obvious in every game it really gets under your skin.

  • IUMIKE1

    DUDE…..just……go…..lay…..down.   Bad boy !

    DUDE I’m sure the UW fans would love to have you. You would fit right in with them as most of them are almost as uninformed as you.

  • IUMIKE1

    DUDE…..just……go…..lay…..down.   Bad boy !

    DUDE I’m sure the UW fans would love to have you. You would fit right in with them as most of them are almost as uninformed as you.

  • NotTheRealSteveEyl

    I agree with all of that. It just seems like its always something when we play them. Drives me crazy to lose against such an unskilled bunch of plodders.

    And for everyone saying Bo ryan is such a good coach, maybe so. But I can’t stand the way his teams play. Also, there’s a ceiling with that kind of system. You will never get enough good athletes to play in that awful system to really win anything. Sometimes I wonder what a guy like Taylor is doing there…

  • NotTheRealSteveEyl

    My wish for vo this summer: get a jump shot.

  • IUJeff

    I am not sure there was an adjustment to make given our lineup.

    Their O gets their 3 ball shooters open better than ours and most of our guys are not strong enough to fight through the screens to stay on their man, or quick enough to get out to the shooters in time. They played better perimeter D because they have better perimeter D players and perhaps a combination of smarter players / more well coached players.Some of it also comes from the fact that their players were recruited to play positions in an established system that has been in place longer than ours. Intelligence and experience in their system has been passed down to the new players.  We are catching up, just not there yet.   

  • IUJeff

    Disagree on one point. Cody has the toughness. I’d even argue he is mentally tougher than the whining Berggren. 

    He just does not have the lower body strength or experience yet..

    When he and CWat get in the weight room this off season with Remy and add about a 100 lbs to their squats charts, you will see power dunks from CWat and almost unstoppable low post skills from Z.

  • IUJeff

    Wisconsin looked a little more rested. Will be important for us to get a 1st round bye in this tourney next year. 

  • IUJeff

    I have not studied the frenetic subbing by Crean but I’ll have to agree the one time I noticed Derek do something good, earn a trip to the foul line, then get yanked as soon as the 2nd foul shot went in. 

    Note to Crean: Do not take the players out that just did something positive.

  • IUJeff

    I have not studied the frenetic subbing by Crean but I’ll have to agree the one time I noticed Derek do something good, earn a trip to the foul line, then get yanked as soon as the 2nd foul shot went in. 

    Note to Crean: Do not take the players out that just did something positive.

  • IUJeff

    Whatever Wisky troll.

  • IUMIKE1

    Yea, if CH thinks that Bo game planned for Wilson to have this kind of game than I’m thinking that CH must be short for either Cheech or Chong and I hope whatever he is smoking is left out for our opponents in the next tournament.

  • WatchingYogi_atYogis

    Fair point.  We might start having some success in the Big Ten tournament for once if we set ourselves up for that.  Narrowly missed it this year (the bye).  Steady incremental progress like we have had so far.

  • WatchingYogi_atYogis

    Sure I’m disappointed.  But that mainly has to do with the cloud I was on coming into this tournament, having really had a nice stretch to finish out the regular season.  Expectations got the better of me.  But you are right, its tourney time.  I cannot wait to see the draw on Sunday.  The last few Selection Sundays I’ve watched, because its the greatest sporting event there is.  But I’ve watched them with a sort of hollow feeling, like “what is this thing missing?”

    How about the Colt’s releases?  This has been an upending weekend hasn’t it?  Going back to our other conversation.  The sky really does seem to be falling with my other rooting interest. 

    The Hoosiers are fine.

    Just give up the damn zone Crean.  Seriously, I don’t think I can take it from a mental health standpoint. 

  • WatchingYogi_atYogis

    I don’t know guys.  I was pretty negative about the gameplan, starting out in the 2-3 zone.  But I’m far from a pessimist when it comes to this team, program or coaching staff.  Just saying, I did not see the wisdom in it.  Great shooting is hard to beat.  It’s even harder to beat when you let them get off to a good start, get some confidence, quiet the crowd and kill the spirit of your team.  And it’s too hard to come back against those bastards.  Every time we pressed and made a run we got gassed and they had an answer.

    I agree there are some strange posters on this site that seem to live for the moment they can be critical, which makes me wonder how they get much satisfaction out of blogging about a team that has played as well as we have this season (exceptions like yesterday aside).  Here is to those types not having anything to say the next few years!  Probably a bit too much to ask.

    And I agree that we have some really reactionary fans on here.  But hey, that’s just a product of some genuine emotional connection as a fan.

    Doesn’t mean I have to watch us waltz out to a terrible 23-12 start, when our offense was clicking well, in the first 4-6 minutes because we were getting obliterated in zone and say, “hey at least we will have plenty of rest.”  Seriously, Wisconsin… We like games in the 50s Wisconsin… tore us up for 23 points in like 5 minutes.  That was awful.  Not saying we got exposed for being a poor team or that we don’t have a ton to be thankful for in general.  I think our 2-3 may have been exposed though.

  • WatchingYogi_atYogis

    I agree, you can criticise individual decisions of Crean.  But to be critical of him in general is overlooking the weight of the evidence that says he is getting our program back to precisely where we should want it.

  • WatchingYogi_atYogis

    I agree, you can criticise individual decisions of Crean.  But to be critical of him in general is overlooking the weight of the evidence that says he is getting our program back to precisely where we should want it.

  • WatchingYogi_atYogis

    Yeah sure, it has its place and it would be nice if we knew how to play it a little.  When you know a coach is going to draw a motion play coming out of a timeout, for example, going zone can really screw up what they were expecting on screens and switches and can blow up their play.  I’m just not a fan of it for long stretches this year.  You might be on to something about keeping their legs fresher, because so far you’ve made about the only logical argument for using it to start the game.  I guess the other is that by the numbers Wisconsin isn’t exactly a great outside shooting team.  Of course, any Big Ten team can find some deep shooters with nice looks.

  • InTheMtns

    I sort of like Dakich. I listen to his show frequently and find myself agreeing with him a lot. BUT, I was shocked when I heard him say officials don’t want to call fouls on Cody. I wasn’t even sure I heard him correctly, but then he said it again. That’s just crazy talk. I can’t even imagine why he’d say such a thing because it is so incorrect and ridiculous. I was yelling at him that he was NUTS and he might have even heard me because I was loud enough. Most stupid thing I’ve ever heard him say.

  • Pinehurst

    Let him jump. 

  • http://twitter.com/btown1056 brian workman

     It never does and players need to learn to not let their emotions get the best of them. When they start playing thinking they are getting screwed than they just keep playing badly. He needs to learn to just pull up for a short J on these drives and not always go all the way to the rim and expect to get hit while throwing up a bad shot. He has so much potential but has to learn how to utilize it.

  • Outoftheloop

     Exactly, but none of them were easy lay-ups. WI kills you when you drive it to the rim. You get fouled and can’t hit the shot and no foul is called. If you pull up at 7 feet you get a nice uncontested shot, or a foul because it is so obvious. Victor needs to add this to his game!

  • OldTimeHoosier

     I here ya man!  Wisconson makes a living on grabbing opposing players driving to the bucket.  I couldn’t keep count of the times of the times one of our players would get by their man and then obviously be grabbed by their arm and held.
    They hold more than every other team in the BIG10 put together!
    Sigh…..
    Oh well, the first time they play a good team in the NCAA’s they’ll get called for about 40 fouls and get whooped, AND wonder what happened.

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    Yeah, I agree totally.  The hope is that with another year to work with the coaching staff he develops a jumper and feels more comfortable pulling up.  If he did that (a la Sheehey) once or twice a game effectively, teams would have to respect it and he’d be even more dangerous on the drive.

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    I agree man, but sitting right there Friday, he missed a couple bunnies early when he didn’t absorb much contact.  Of course one was a put back, but still you can’t miss those. 

  • Kenneth234

    I am fully expecting VO to be a lot better shooting the ball next year, and probably even better on his ball handling as well.  The nice thing is, next year we will have a team that will allow him to have other guys who are also mult purpose threats on offense.  But we still may not see him take a lot of deep shots just because his role on the team will likely change slightly.  There will be less of him handling the ball and more of him moving off the ball and getting him the ball on the run with the opponents big men being raised above the key with Yogi getting picks set for him. 

    I just see this happening as the big key to the offense, I think Zeller and Yogi will initiate the offense with a pick at the top with Hulls and Watford stepping out on the wings and corners for a look at the jump shot and to create space for either a pick and roll, pick and slip, a Yogi drive to the basket and looking to find the open wing if the d helps off their man.  When Zeller slips instead of rolls, he can look for either a handoff to Oladipo coming up to the top of the key, or on a back cut toward the rim, or look to find CWat or Hulls for a shot, or a pump fake and drive to a mid range shot. 

  • NotTheRealSteveEyl

    Totally agree.  Vic doesn’t need to become Matt Roth to be even more of a weapon for us.  But if he can become an effective 10-15′ jumpshooter, defenses won’t be able to sag off him so much, which will open up passing lanes, and help him get more opportunities to take advantage of his lightning first step.  

    And you are totally right about the other talent opening things up.

    I fully expect he will do it.  He improved his free throws so much this summer- no reason he can;t do that with his jumpshot this summer.

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