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Notebook: Foul trouble limits Zeller’s minutes

by in Media | January 27th, 2012

MADISON, Wis. — One glance at the Wisconsin roster showed few options tall or athletic enough to stop Cody Zeller.

But Zeller, who entered Thursday night’s game averaging 15.1 points per game, went scoreless in the first half and finished with just seven points in 19 minutes.

The 6-foot-11 freshman picked up his second foul that forced him to the bench for the final 4:30 of the first half and as a result, he never established much of a rhythm.

“There were a couple times we tried to feed him the ball, they three-quartered, and we didn’t give him a chance to set up and post up the way that he needed to,” coach Tom Crean said. “We tried to force the ball in rather than allow him to get set.”

Christian Watford — who helped compensate for Zeller’s absence with 12 points — admitted that Zeller’s time on the bench made things difficult for the Hoosiers.

“It hurt us a lot, having an inside presence like Cody, he’s been there for us all year,” Watford said. “He was in foul trouble, but there’s still no excuse. Other guys got to step up.”

HOOSIERS SHOOT WELL ENOUGH TO WIN

Indiana had no trouble finding the bottom of the net Thursday night, but posted a season-low 50 points in large part because of Wisconsin’s deliberate pace.

The Hoosiers hit 50 percent of their first half shots, finished at 45.7 percent for the game and put together an 11-0 scoring run midway through the first half.

Though Crean felt his team adjusted nicely to Bo Ryan’s pass-heavy swing offense, he noted that key rebounds down the stretch may have been the difference.

“We answered the bell on the pace of play,” Crean said. “They’re going to play at a snail’s pace, it’s what they do, and you’ve got to steal possessions. We rebounded the ball very well for most of the game. They got a couple of big rebounds at the end. We struggled getting those balls.”

JONES SAYS HOOSIERS MUST WORK ON PLAYING 40

Verdell Jones III had no trouble scoring against the Wisconsin’s stingy defense in the first half. The senior guard finished the game’s first 20 minutes with 12 points on 6-of-7 shooting.

But Jones went scoreless the rest of the way, and expressed his frustration with never bringing down the Badgers at the Kohl Center.

“This is my last go around here in Madison, and that’s the most frustrating thing about it, not getting a chance to beat them,” he said.

After dropping four of their last five games — three of them by seven points or less — the Hoosiers believe that nothing more than a few offensive boards or an untimely turnover is keeping them from victory.

“It’s very frustrating, especially when we preach in practice 40 minutes, 40 minutes, then we only play 38,” Jones said. “It’s tough and it’s something we got to work on.”

Ian McCue is a junior studying journalism at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. As the associate sports editor for the student newspaper, The Badger Herald, he has covered sports ranging from football to cross country.

(Photo credit: Andy Manis/Associated Press)

  • Kokomo_Joe

    Walt, we should be better down the stretch than what we saw last night.  I for one am tired of watching the ball bounce with no movement on offense.  It relaxes the defense, give them a break and allows them to refocus.

    I would love to see some movement/motion with back screens and back cuts with flashes into the hig or low post before we settle for the high ball screen at the top of the key.

  • Kokomo_Joe

    Dude, that is all way to subjective.  Go back and look at our TO the last few minutes of the game and then look at who was on the bench until 1:04 left in the game.

    I would start there because that is what this team and CTC can control.

    Go look at us dribble time off the clock too, on the road, down by 2 possessions/scores.  That is downright uncalled for.

    Please assess the players and coaching, not the officiating.

  • CH

    I was proud of the effort last night for the most part. The officiating was poor but you have to overcome that in the BIG. I would have left Cody in after his 4th foul you gotta play him at that point. At critical  points in the game when we should ramp up the D we continue to give open looks and cant get a rebound. That cost us the game. I agree with VJ, IU played 38 minutes pretty. Wisc played the final 2minutes well. We have learn to make stops at the critical points and get the rebound.

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    Oh, trust me.  I’m definitely one to assess the coaches and players when it’s called for.  And, yes, there were mistakes made during the game by the player and coaches.  However, this was one game where the officials were flat out pathetic and need assessed!

    In a normal game, there are going to be a few mistakes made.  No team plays a perfect 40 minutes, but in a normal game the few mistakes IU made last night would not have cost them the game if the game were called half way even!

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    Oh, trust me.  I’m definitely one to assess the coaches and players when it’s called for.  And, yes, there were mistakes made during the game by the player and coaches.  However, this was one game where the officials were flat out pathetic and need assessed!

    In a normal game, there are going to be a few mistakes made.  No team plays a perfect 40 minutes, but in a normal game the few mistakes IU made last night would not have cost them the game if the game were called half way even!

  • Kokomo_Joe

    Boy I am really fired up.  I was getting bashed the past couple weeks because I question CTC quite a bit.  I have never said he should be fired and I do not believe he should be.  All in all, he has been great in recruiting and getting the right kind of player at IU that we have come to expect the past 30 years.
     
    But, I did question his coaching ability in-game and after last night, that still continues.  If anyone has a good reason for me, please explain why at the media timeout with 3:19 left to go and the Hoosiers down by 1 on the road Crean did not insert Cody back into the line up?
     
    How can a coach not look at his players and design a play or talk strategy and not have that include your best player?
     
    You are down by 1 on the road, a missed shot by IU and a make by Wisc and now we are down by 3 with a little over 2 min to go.  Then we miss rebound opportunities with Cody on the bench!

    What gives?

    I said this last week.  CTC doesn’t make good in game adjustments, he subs poorly and he fails to anticipate the next play/possession or match ups.

    I am not suggesting that we need a new coach, but I do suggest that CTC needs to improve his x’s and o’s quickly becaus ethere is talent here, and even more next season.

  • OldIUGymnast

    If you do that again – look closer.  You can see the Wisky player’s hand flash in there (and it is a flash) and knock the ball out.  That said, it was hard to see even frame by frame.  Just a cream colored flash.  Not sure which player.

  • IUSTL

    I am going to defend CTC’s decision to hold CZ to the last minute. This game was close and all indication were it was headed to the last minute. CZ was fouling, or getting called for a foul,at an average of one foul for around every four and half minutes  of playing time. The chances of him lasting the final 3 to 4 minutes were not very high due to the end of game  intensity of close games. The game was holding even . Keeping him on the bench and avaialble for the final minute, when the game was on the line, was the right call. How many of you would be complaining that CTC had put CZ in too early if he gone in at the 3:39 mark and fouled out around the 2:10 mark ? The only reason to risk him at earlier would be if Wisc had started to pull away. That was a gutsy and correct coaching decision.

  • OldIUGymnast

    As I have asked you before Kokomo – which D1 team do you coach?  How well do you know each of those young men on IU’s team?  And I see more off the ball movement with this team than with most teams that use dribble/drive.  CTC is not ever going to use the motion offense and there really aren’t any tier 1 teams in the NCAA that do.  Just out of curiosity, do you think that maybe there is a reason that nobody uses that offense in the top tier?

  • MillaRed

    Honestly I can only remember one. And he looked like a crazed baboon. It was pretty funny.

  • MillaRed

    I was thinking maybe he could draw a foul. With that crew you never know. But he was getting to the line when he was aggressive. As they say, “we’ll never know!”

  • MillaRed

    Really can’t say. It seemed like the 2nd half they were working harder on him. He didn’t get good looks. He stopped going to the basket etc. Someone else needed to step up and it never really happened.

  • MillaRed

    Yea no doubt. That would be a nice redemption game.

  • JerryCT

    Millared– Were you at the game ? If so it must have really hurt. Whats up w your email ? I get the postmaster

    CTC has done some nice things this year. If I had to agree with you ……. and that hurts me to agree with you ……….. I would say he lacks a clear or consistent  “end of game” concept.

    Under Knight , with about 3 min left in a game like this one we completely changed depending on whether we were ahead or behind. If ahead we worked like crazy to get fouled. If behind we played ball denial all over the floor. This started however at about the 3 min mark and not the 40 sec mark.

  • JerryCT

    Millared– Were you at the game ? If so it must have really hurt. Whats up w your email ? I get the postmaster

    CTC has done some nice things this year. If I had to agree with you ……. and that hurts me to agree with you ……….. I would say he lacks a clear or consistent  “end of game” concept.

    Under Knight , with about 3 min left in a game like this one we completely changed depending on whether we were ahead or behind. If ahead we worked like crazy to get fouled. If behind we played ball denial all over the floor. This started however at about the 3 min mark and not the 40 sec mark.

  • hgdownunder

    Agree!  Remember how OSU fans boo-hooed the only reason why IU beat them is because of fouls?  What a laugh, the only person who fouled out was Zeller. 

    Then when you see games like last night in which one team made
    more FTs than the other took.

    This is not to let our guys off the hook for the lack of defensive rebounds and turnovers in the end game.  However, momentum shifts should be due to players, not refs.

  • calbert40

    A couple of points, Joe:

    1) I am certain that CTC knows what CZ’s accomplishments are.  I’d wager he is more aware of them than any of us!  CZ had his worst game in an IU uniform.  I don’t know why he sat him at the end other than items already brought up by myself and others.  Obviously, CTC would rather have him in the ball game than on the bench.  The fact that he didn’t utilize him to your standards at the end of the game doesn’t mean he can’t “find the right combinations to play in tough games down the stretch.”  That is a sweeping generalization.  You (and many others) didn’t care for CTC’s handling of the CZ tonight; therefore, he doesn’t know how to sub effectively.

    2) Our road record is awful, no argument there.  I think we can give CTC a pass on a decent portion of it considering the circumstances of the past 3 years.  I believe we are past that, and we should start winning road games, but look at our road losses this year: MSU, OSU, Neb and Wisky.  Outside of Nebraska, did we really think we would win ANY of those other 3?  I didn’t.  Winning road games in the B1G is tough.  We should expect to improve in this area, and I think we will improve soon!

    3) Too many TOs?  They committed 10 for the game.  I agree there were some sloppy moments, but I thought they handled the ball fairly well all things considered.  We need to get better in that category, obviously, but I don’t think that was an Achilles heel last night.

    4) I agree with the T item for CTC.  He gets on the refs, but I feel like get rip roaring mad and maybe even tossed could light a fire under the team.  Maybe.  I got tossed twice during my brief tenure as a baseball coach, and our team lost both times!!  Maybe I shouldn’t be giving advice in that area!

  • Rossjohn68

    You know it prob was correct call! What ticked me off was the ref from half court came in and said it was Wisc ball, after Ryan started doing his screaming and I’m gonna kill you look. Thats what was BS about that call

  • catronhoosier

    What if zeller goes in a fouls right away?  Then everyone says that Crean is an idiot for putting a FRESHMAN back in the game with 4 fouls when you are going to need him for the final 2 minute stretch.  I agree with Creans decision. Especially the way the game was being officiated. 

  • JerryCT

    OK. The best I can do is that I sense CTC does not have a set of clear “end of game” strategies and substitutions and does not invoke them early enough.

    As I say above , when Knight was ahead in a tough game he actually changed the look on O and D to waste time and close out from the foul line beginning with about 3 min remaining. I have not been able to detect anything like that from CTC.

    Actually CTC has done some nice things in this game. He put VJ3 on the ball and Hulls on the weakside wing with Cody on the weakside post. Then …………. we all saw the double or stagger screen for VJ3 on the left side of the floor where he drove back toward the weakside.

    At that point what is WIsc to do ?

    + if CW’s man switches then pass to CW for the 3 or drive

    + Hulls defender helps defend VJ3′s drive then the kick to Hulls nets a 3.

    +  CZ’s guy helps then CZ gets the ball low.

    + No body helps then VJ either continues the drive or passes to Hulls who can work with Cody a little 2 on 2 and even rotate the back to do this again

    We all saw it often enough even the announcers caught on

  • JerryCT

    OK. The best I can do is that I sense CTC does not have a set of clear “end of game” strategies and substitutions and does not invoke them early enough.

    As I say above , when Knight was ahead in a tough game he actually changed the look on O and D to waste time and close out from the foul line beginning with about 3 min remaining. I have not been able to detect anything like that from CTC.

    Actually CTC has done some nice things in this game. He put VJ3 on the ball and Hulls on the weakside wing with Cody on the weakside post. Then …………. we all saw the double or stagger screen for VJ3 on the left side of the floor where he drove back toward the weakside.

    At that point what is WIsc to do ?

    + if CW’s man switches then pass to CW for the 3 or drive

    + Hulls defender helps defend VJ3′s drive then the kick to Hulls nets a 3.

    +  CZ’s guy helps then CZ gets the ball low.

    + No body helps then VJ either continues the drive or passes to Hulls who can work with Cody a little 2 on 2 and even rotate the back to do this again

    We all saw it often enough even the announcers caught on

  • JerryCT

    Ha ha. You make good points because DE actually did well on the hedge …………… not so well on help side D however.

    My counter point is that against teams who struggle to score we get hurt more by weak helpside D than any loss of offense since we are pretty good scoring the ball no matter our lineup.

  • JerryCT

    Good work.

  • JerryCT

    As I said earlier ( but late in the day ) that CTC seems to lack a clear set of “end of game” schemes and player rotations. We all know we want Jordy to be fouled in the last minute but that is not what I mean.

    Knight , would always begin closing out the game w about 3 min remaining and the player rotations and schemes would clearly change into and end of game campaign.

    However you are overlooking IMO a number of good X’s and O’s moves he made during the last 2 games on offense during the game. The best example is the stagger screen for Jones to drive toward the weakside where he positioned Hulls and Zeller forcing WIsc to pick their poison on help D ……… not only did we do this he did it so much the announcers even copped on

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    I agree man.  We could argue that the only reason why IU made those critical mistakes down the stretch is because the refs put them in the position to.  In fact, I thought last night was one of the stronger performances down the stretch.  I think of the big three Watford made in transition and even his steal and pullup jumper after he missed the FT’s.  In other words, he busted his butt to make up for missing the FT’s.  I remember pitching in college (which thank God I only had to do for a while before they realized I was a position player not a pitcher) and when there was an umpire with a particularly tight zone late in games, it was more difficult to hit spots. 

    That’s the nature of sports.  When officials force your hand in stressful situations it can change the way you play.  Only a few guys are capable of being rock steady despite that much pressure.  If the game would’ve been called like it should’ve I think IU would’ve been up by 10 and would’ve cruised to the W!

    It’s impossible to say either way, but they sure looked the most confident I’ve seen them this year in a tough environment last night!

    Officials robbed that one from us!

  • SouthernINhoosier

    IU lost this ball game due to the incredibly inept officiating.  The Big 10 play is physical, but no one should be allowed to hammer a team like that.  Also you not going to win the game with Zeller sitting on the bench, you got a great player CTC, play him!

  • SCHoosier

    How many minutes did Jordon Taylor play? Our best play has to equal that it most games.

  • SCHoosier

    They had Jones in the right offense in the first half..taking it to the hole…WIS took that away second half..and VJ had a tough last 20 minutes. Only a couple of TO’s..but they were bad ones including one on the first possession to Zeller. How can they not figure out how to get the ball to Cody nearly 75% thru the season. Ridiculous.

  • SCHoosier

    They had Jones in the right offense in the first half..taking it to the hole…WIS took that away second half..and VJ had a tough last 20 minutes. Only a couple of TO’s..but they were bad ones including one on the first possession to Zeller. How can they not figure out how to get the ball to Cody nearly 75% thru the season. Ridiculous.

  • Kokomo_Joe

    You are losing, on the road!  At 3:19 we are down by 1, 30 sec later where are down by 3 and not rebounding.  What is there to wait for.

    If CZ fouls out right away there is no second guessing because CTC shows he is all in the last 3:19 to win the game.  I give 2 squirts the kid is a FR.  he has started 21 games in a row and 9 in Big 10 play.  He is a Naismith Finalist.  Play him!

  • SCHoosier

    I think thats why Crean shortened his post game..he knows he screwed up the Zeller subbing late in the game…and just sort of dismissed it with “he couldn’t get him the the flow” Yep..hard for him to do it form the pine. geez. Counting on Hulls/Jones to rebound with 2 min left is a bit insane.

  • SCHoosier

    U could tell he wanted to erupt at his postgame..I mean he was seething to keep it under control. Admire that given what we went thru with Bobby

  • SCHoosier

    second half WIS closed the lane on Verdell..its up to him and Crean to adjust on kick outs etc..sometimes they did..mostly they didn’t. didn’t help that Cody was on the pine too long.. and when he was in there was getting his shots blocked..or getting called for fouls that didn’t actually occur.

  • SCHoosier

    It was very good..a couple of timesTaylor got it to one of the 3 pt shooterst left unguard (buy Hulls) and it cost us 9 pts.

  • Kokomo_Joe

    IUSTL.  CTC had every indication where the game was headed, trailing by 1, then 3, then no rebounding, then down 5 before we saw Zeller.

    We must have been watching a different game the last 5 minutes or so because we were up by a few and then down by 7 at the end with no Zeller until 1:04.

    If CW fouled out or CZ fouled out you hang your hat and say I, CTC, had my best team on the floor the last 3 minutes of the game and we lost.  Unfortunately, again, CTC cannot say that.

    You think RMK has Calbert Cheaney on his bench with 3 to go on the road in the Big 10?  heck no.  RMK knows the Big 10 conference title is on the line, NCAA seeding, and not to mention CC is his best player.

    I think we fans would be pissed if CZ didn’t start, so why is it OK he isn’t in the game down the strech.  He could get 1 foul the first 3 minutes of a game or the last 3.  It is worse that he isn’t in at the end because the game is decided then and not in the first 3 minutes.

  • Kokomo_Joe

    IUSTL.  CTC had every indication where the game was headed, trailing by 1, then 3, then no rebounding, then down 5 before we saw Zeller.

    We must have been watching a different game the last 5 minutes or so because we were up by a few and then down by 7 at the end with no Zeller until 1:04.

    If CW fouled out or CZ fouled out you hang your hat and say I, CTC, had my best team on the floor the last 3 minutes of the game and we lost.  Unfortunately, again, CTC cannot say that.

    You think RMK has Calbert Cheaney on his bench with 3 to go on the road in the Big 10?  heck no.  RMK knows the Big 10 conference title is on the line, NCAA seeding, and not to mention CC is his best player.

    I think we fans would be pissed if CZ didn’t start, so why is it OK he isn’t in the game down the strech.  He could get 1 foul the first 3 minutes of a game or the last 3.  It is worse that he isn’t in at the end because the game is decided then and not in the first 3 minutes.

  • SCHoosier

    Close call..it looked to me that Evans..who was behind DE reached in a hit the ball out of his hands..that’s what Elston was po’d about.

  • SCHoosier

    Yeeeeesssss.

  • SCHoosier

    In fairness..defenses are really constricting VO’s driving room..and we all know he’s not a great jump shooter. He missed a layup second possession  a gainst WIS but it was contested..the old isolate him on the left side of the court and let him drive..has been countered in the conference.

  • The_Real_Assembly_Hall

    So we have what we have. We have lost 4 of 5 due to any reason we can point our fingers at. Could it be any worse if Remy got a bulk of minutes? Nope. The guy needs more pt for valuable experience. To me, if he played a lot we would be investing in the future. The only reason I can think of why he is not playing is that he is not in the long term plan. I don’t want to think about that because I see he can play at the Big Ten level. No doubt in my mind, but our coaches know more than me. He seems to have a toughness that I really feel like we could use. He is very stoic and sometimes that is a very good thing.

  • The_Real_Assembly_Hall

    So we have what we have. We have lost 4 of 5 due to any reason we can point our fingers at. Could it be any worse if Remy got a bulk of minutes? Nope. The guy needs more pt for valuable experience. To me, if he played a lot we would be investing in the future. The only reason I can think of why he is not playing is that he is not in the long term plan. I don’t want to think about that because I see he can play at the Big Ten level. No doubt in my mind, but our coaches know more than me. He seems to have a toughness that I really feel like we could use. He is very stoic and sometimes that is a very good thing.

  • Walt

    Kokomo,

    Agree with your first paragraph as you know, but to be honest with you, I love great college basketball, and over the years IU sure fits the bill.  Regarding your second paragraph, I do not know the difference between a back screen  and a back cut or the rest of paragraph, but it sounds good and will go along with you.

  • The_Real_Assembly_Hall

    There is a page (on a social media site that almost everyone uses) dedicated to the removal of an official who was on the crew of last nights game. I will not mention the name of the official but I will say he was the official who was *brushed* by Coach Knight when Coach Knight was exiting the floor after receiving 3 technical fouls years ago. Many are appalled at the repeated sub par officiating and inconsistent level of work as a Big Ten official. If you personally support the page based on your own opinions I would search for it, like it, and share it. As fans we do not have to shut up and take it. We all pay money that contribute to the revenue stream of college basketball in many ways and we deserve to be heard. Many people have different opinions and I respect that, but if you agree on this notion then you know what to do. None of this should be considered as a representation of any Big Ten institution but solely as a personal opinion of persons who pay to support private and public institutions involved in high stakes athletic contests.

  • The_Real_Assembly_Hall

    Please see my above post.

  • hoosierbred

    Definitely agree on all points. Our defense was much better and gave Wisconsin trouble for most of the game. We had some lapses both defensively and offensively. But actually played well enough to win. I coached for many years and I never blamed the officials for a loss. There was always something that we did or didn’t do well that cost us points; either offensively or defensively. But I will say this; there were times when a missed call or poor call hurt us at particular stage of the game. That happened to IU last night. And it’s not the first time this year. Ryan, Izzo, Matta, Weber (and to an extent Painter and Belein) work the officials hard. I think the world of Crean, but he’s got to get more aggresive with the officials. Take a technical at a calculated time if necessary. Apparently the officials don’t yet think Crean has earned his dues and that the team hasn’t played well enough to be taken seriously as a contender. Some were critical of Cody last night. I don’t feel that’s warranted. This kid has been manhandled by every BIG10 team we’ve played, and barely gets a call. Yet almost invariably, when he makes defensive contact he gets called for a foul. I’m a Hoosier through and through; but I’m not a whining we-can-do-no-wrong fan. Watch the game replays. They confirm my feelings.

  • MillaRed

    I thought the very late insertion of Remy was strange too. What did you think?

  • MillaRed

    I thought the very late insertion of Remy was strange too. What did you think?

  • MillaRed

    It did change Jerry. Alex can flip it to you.

  • MillaRed

    What stinks is we did exactly what we needed to do with Taylor. He struggled. That first darn foul on Cody. Man that peed me off.

  • Bucky

    From the Madison paper this morning:

    Jordan Taylor has just one turnover in the past 4 games, a total of 153 minutes of action.

    Crean’s record in Big Ten road games is 2-30.

    (btw, I’m an IU alum, not a UW troll)

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