• They have a good football squad. That being said, it’s the Big Ten and our D sucked.

  • spe317

    Perturbed does not touch how I feel currently. Absolutely embarrassing. Blame all around on this one. Here’s to starting freshman and Pritch. As stupid as a technical is, I love the fact that he was fired up. Everyone else…not so much. Where was Remy tonight? Roth is still a one trick pony making him easy to defend.

  • RckyMtnHoosier

    Well, the bloom has fallen off this rose.  They are what they are.  No NCAA this year.  This is going to spiral.  Fortunately, for me, I didn’t think this was the year anyway.  Anyone who doesn’t think that Yogi will take a ton of Hulls’ minutes is nuts.  Zeller + a bunch of average players.  Here’s to next year…Good early season run, but I’ll be surprised if we win 20. 

    Cheers!

  • RckyMtnHoosier

    Well, the bloom has fallen off this rose.  They are what they are.  No NCAA this year.  This is going to spiral.  Fortunately, for me, I didn’t think this was the year anyway.  Anyone who doesn’t think that Yogi will take a ton of Hulls’ minutes is nuts.  Zeller + a bunch of average players.  Here’s to next year…Good early season run, but I’ll be surprised if we win 20. 

    Cheers!

  • Per ITH rules, I won’t use profanity and per ITH commenter’s etiquette, I won’t use all caps -but gosh dang it, I am thoroughly frustrated.

    I love the guy, but I’m not real sure what Crean does during timeouts when he should be drawing up a play… Roth creating his own shot, only to get blocked? Really? Was that the play?  Jordy taking his man one on one, creating his own shot? Really? Was that the play?

    I really hope our guys are just saying, “Screw it, we’re running our own play”, because I don’t want to face the fact that Crean just might not be a good X & O’s guy. Come on man!?!

  • Adam

    What an embarrassment.. big ten officiating strikes again… zeller gets thrown to the ground and wat get his arms grabbed going for the last rebound and no call… really

  • Anonymous

    Not happy!

  • Ots

    This IU team’s perimeter defense is nonexistent!!  Any team with good guards can drive to the basket all night.  Gottlieb was right-this is a mediocre team at best.  IU cant beat the cellar dwellers and at the end of the year will find themselves “dwelling” there all alone.  Crean’s late game strategies were not to be seen either. I thought the loss to Minnesota was as low as we could go but up 11 or so with 3-4 minutes to a low level team and to fold.  I hope some newswriter has the fortitude to ask some damn tough questions at the post game press conference instead of all those lollipop questions.

  • Anonymous

    Some things really need to change. Playing time needs to be earned in practice, because it is obviously isn’t being earned in the games. Hulls needs to ride the pine. All he can do is shoot. He can’t handle the ball, can’t play D, and wastes so much time dribbling. We’re in bad shape.

  • Chromeburn

    Definitely slumping, need to stop letting teams hang around and close them out. 

  • Anonymous

    This game is Jordan Hulls’ fault. There is no way around it.

  • higgins

    Out of timeouts and frequently during Big Ten Play, Hulls has been totally unable to get by any person guarding him.  Teams are switching on screens to not allow him a shot and he does not have the speed to get around the corner and past the defender.  It seems like it completely blows up any play that is set and frequently causes him to pick up his dribble in the halfcourt offense.

  • CB

    we need a point guard , starting to look like it could be another long season

  • Matt

    Couldnt agree more re: hulls. He has no confidence right now – kid is a head case. My problem with crean is Cody sitting till 5 minutes left or less..what’s up with that?

    You can’t blame Crean for watford dissapearing though.

    He has to play the guys that beat UK an OSU. Yeah Roth hits his shot when open but if he can only get two up a game what good is he? It was nice what he did against other slow teams but who cares?

    It’s embarrassing.

  • Matt

    Couldnt agree more re: hulls. He has no confidence right now – kid is a head case. My problem with crean is Cody sitting till 5 minutes left or less..what’s up with that?

    You can’t blame Crean for watford dissapearing though.

    He has to play the guys that beat UK an OSU. Yeah Roth hits his shot when open but if he can only get two up a game what good is he? It was nice what he did against other slow teams but who cares?

    It’s embarrassing.

  • Anonymous

    Some times Crean looks like a great coach.  Then there are games like tonight where he looks like he has no control over what is happening on the court.  
    Note: I am NOT saying fire Crean.  Do not jump to that conclusion.

  • cdog

    Welcome to the NIT!!!!

  • Jmfriedman

    Crean has lost me…… I have tried to hold on, but I can’t any more until he proves me wrong. I pin this one on Crean……again

  • Anonymous

    That was Hulls’ fault, he dribbled the ball for six of the nine seconds left on the shot clock and forced Roth to create his own shot.

  • Anonymous

    CZ seemed to have a pretty good game, but beyond that I can’t say.  This was disconcerting to say the least. 

  • Anonymous

    nvm

  • Anonymous

    nvm

  • 888

    Our lack of a true point guard is relly starting to show. Someone who can be UNDER CONTROL when handling the ball and get this team in a good set. That last play was awful. Yogi will be here next year and this stuff will be a bad memory. Also Jeremy or Mo will be the ones next year who CAN create their own shots in these situations. Jordy had a layup but looked out of control. Bad clock awareness as well. Its almost like he thought the clock was gonna expire when he took the layup. Hes too smart to do that.

  • Anonymous

    Can’t pin this one on VJ. This was a team loss. Every time we had a chance to put them away we did something stupid-bad pass, bad shot, whatever. And just AWFUL decision making. This season is rapidly disappearing down the drain. Very sad!

  • Anonymous

    Gotta win a couple more…or did they change that rule about having to be .500 or better?

  • spe317

    I wrote a post like this on the HT blog and prefaced it with a, please don’t crucify me.  I completely agree that when he isn’t shooting well, he needs to park and bark-sit on the bench and teach a bit.

  • BarryNC

    This loss is an embarrassment to all Hoosier faithful and we
    are trending is a really bad direction. 
    Terrible coaching and even worse play by experienced players caused the
    loss.  Hulls, Watford, and Jones are on a
    multi game stretch of basically not showing up.   I laughed loudly when people claimed that
    Watford was going pro after this year. 
    Yeah right…  Hollowell may start
    over him next year and it’s no doubt Yogi starts day one.  Question is, will Brad Stevens be coaching
    them?  Tom Crean… Get to work and start
    winning.  Absolutely inexcusable loss tonight. 

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    Well, crap, I was really hoping we weren’t cruising into the NIT this year and we wouldn’t be saying “wait until next year” before the halfway point of the B1G, but it looks like the landslide has begun.

    I’m not sure why everyone is killing Jordan Hulls for this loss when he was one of the only offensive players who attempted to do something and he guarded Richardson for most of the game who scored 9 points.  He had 2 assists and 1 TO with 12 points.  I thought Verdell played a solid role player game until the last 5 minutes but he ends up with 4 points, 4 assists, and 3 TO’s.  Really, they both sucked tonight!!!  VO wasn’t good.  Will looked great at first then we never really went to him again and never attempted to run anything through him.  We stopped feeding the ball to Zeller late in the game when it was obvious Neb couldn’t stop him, and Watford was terrible!  He turned the ball over, shot poorly, got pushed around like the old, soft CWat, and the only redeeming thing he did was rebound.  Roth was decent but got abused on D a couple times.

    Here’s the thing.  IU looked like the good team they are for most of the game and took a 13 point lead with about 8 minutes to go.  All of the sudden, the team starts to look like last year’s team, and I think that’s the problem right now!  One loss and all of the sudden the team starts to play with this “fear of losing” instead of a confidence!  It’s obvious they’re still thinking about the past at this point and if they don’t turn it around very soon, they will be last year’s team! 

    I haven’t been on CTC much this year but he needs to get control of this team immediately!  He needs to use his TO’s to actually draw something up!  He needs to realize that VJ3 is good for the first 15 minutes of each half but shouldn’t be in there near the end of the halves.  When is he going to realize that Jordan Hulls, VJ3, and Roth can’t be on the floor at the end of the game when we need a stop!  Tonight it was Hulls out there.  Why not TP, Zeller, Watford, Sheehey, VO when we need a stop? 

    I got jumped for saying that he’s most likely a poor X’s and O’s coach last week, well, looks like I may have been right because he deserves at least part of the blame for letting this one get away.

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    Well, crap, I was really hoping we weren’t cruising into the NIT this year and we wouldn’t be saying “wait until next year” before the halfway point of the B1G, but it looks like the landslide has begun.

    I’m not sure why everyone is killing Jordan Hulls for this loss when he was one of the only offensive players who attempted to do something and he guarded Richardson for most of the game who scored 9 points.  He had 2 assists and 1 TO with 12 points.  I thought Verdell played a solid role player game until the last 5 minutes but he ends up with 4 points, 4 assists, and 3 TO’s.  Really, they both sucked tonight!!!  VO wasn’t good.  Will looked great at first then we never really went to him again and never attempted to run anything through him.  We stopped feeding the ball to Zeller late in the game when it was obvious Neb couldn’t stop him, and Watford was terrible!  He turned the ball over, shot poorly, got pushed around like the old, soft CWat, and the only redeeming thing he did was rebound.  Roth was decent but got abused on D a couple times.

    Here’s the thing.  IU looked like the good team they are for most of the game and took a 13 point lead with about 8 minutes to go.  All of the sudden, the team starts to look like last year’s team, and I think that’s the problem right now!  One loss and all of the sudden the team starts to play with this “fear of losing” instead of a confidence!  It’s obvious they’re still thinking about the past at this point and if they don’t turn it around very soon, they will be last year’s team! 

    I haven’t been on CTC much this year but he needs to get control of this team immediately!  He needs to use his TO’s to actually draw something up!  He needs to realize that VJ3 is good for the first 15 minutes of each half but shouldn’t be in there near the end of the halves.  When is he going to realize that Jordan Hulls, VJ3, and Roth can’t be on the floor at the end of the game when we need a stop!  Tonight it was Hulls out there.  Why not TP, Zeller, Watford, Sheehey, VO when we need a stop? 

    I got jumped for saying that he’s most likely a poor X’s and O’s coach last week, well, looks like I may have been right because he deserves at least part of the blame for letting this one get away.

  • Q95

    i’m speechless…

  • Southport65

    Hulls had 1 turnover,Watford had 4, VO had 3. Watford can not just get 8 points and VO gets just 5, because we will never win with those stats from 2 of our point leaders. WS only gets just 16 minutes but had 2 turnovers. Why did he not play more?? We had a better FG%,a better 3 pt%,we out rebound them,but we lost because we had 14 turnovers and they had 9, they also got to the line more. Zeller gets no respect from refs and Watford went to the foul line just once. If you think Hulls lost this game by his self you are wrong! There is lots of blame to go around. Watford and VO are not playing like they did in the 1st 15 games. Heads down and no energy with those two. This was a team loss while Hulls needs to play better this was not just his loss. I would pick Watford’s poor play, VO’s weak game and Coach only playing WS 16 minutes and Remy 1 minute as higher reasons for our loss. If Watford and VO don’t bring it soon we will lose a lot more. I think both those guys should not start our next game or just bench the whole starting 5!! They need a wakeup call and while I have always loved coach he needs to use some negative motivation because the positive stuff is not working right now!

  • Anonymous

    Two things really killed them tonight and they are pretty familiar:
    1. Too much dribbling.
    2. Leaving our feet on close outs.
    Two things that can very easily be coached but have been a problem for all the
    years Crean has been here.  I know he runs a dribble-drive offense but he
    doesn’t have the tools to run that yet.  With the close outs though, I
    don’t know what is going on.  Sometimes it seems like that is what he
    teaches.  IU is no longer a bottom-dweller.  It is time to stop
    losing these games.  This may have been the most important game of the
    year as far as momentum goes, and they went and blew it.  Everyone has
    been saying “We’re back.”  But we are not back yet.  This
    team and this program still has a long way to go before we are officially back.
     Teams like North Carolina, Kentucky, Duke, Ohio State, and Syracuse would
    go and beat this team by 20 points.  This is the most disappointment one
    game has given me in Crean’s tenure.

  • cdog

    CWat and VO have gone into complete hybernation for the season.  What happened to the guys that went toe to toe with Kentucky?  Whatever basketball IQ we had is rapidly fading.  I read someplace that going into this game the defensive numbers were actually worse than last year’s team that lost all of their games in the back half of the Big10 season.  Where is the leadership on this team?  Worst last 60 seconds that I have seen in a long time.

  • Anonymous

    This team proved they CAN be one of the best teams in the country.  Now they have to prove they ARE one of the best teams in the country.  Right now, I am not convinced they are a tourney lock.  They look like a bubble team at best right now.

  • WO One

    How about a screen where somebody actually puts a body on a defender?

  • WO One

    How about a screen where somebody actually puts a body on a defender?

  • Tim

    I can’t believe you are bringing that up. Do you realize we were just playing the worst team in the Big Ten and they made us look like a bunch of idiots? We just aren’t a good basketball team.

  • IU78

    Turning point in this game was 5-6 minute mark when IU had a 6-7 point lead and time on the shot clock. Nebraska was getting some Mo back and Verdell decided to drive to the basket with his head down leaving Jordy in the corner by himself for a possible uncontested three. Instea he kept it, like  a 5-6th grader throwing it up. It looked so bad. That is just what Nebraska was wanting him to do, it just give them a chance to get at our throat instead of us at theirs. Eddie said it right about the Elephant on our back for road games over the last 3-4 years. The same guy taking the gas in games like this continues to do so. He got fouled on the behind the back dribble attempt and did not get the call , so he decided to take a swing at Jordy coming up to help him get up. He reverts back to that imature attitude everytime things go south for him. I,m sorry folks, but I think in games like this he is more a liability than an asset. I would be splittin his excess minutes, with Remy A. I know he is not the only one making mistakes out there, but he is senoir and Tom should expect more from him than that. He should be expecting better from himself. This is where Tom needs to call him out and give him time to think about it. This team lacks floor leadership and the only senoir to be on the floor enough to do that has been VJ. Look I don’t hate this kid, but he has proven to be as much a liability in crunch time than an asset. I do appreciate the hard work and time he has put in in the last 4 years, but don’t blame him totaly for this. CTC could have reeled him in early on in his career, but chose not to because of the lack of talent loss when he did. I believe this has lead to him reverting back to the drop your head and go.

      I apologize for the rambling, but I had to get that off of my shoulders. I have been a long time IU basketball fan and will continue to be,as disappointed as I am tonight. I don’t post very often fortunately for you all and I’m sure there will be a substantial amount of rebutal, so I better send this on and let you carve it up.

    PS. Yogi will command the team from the get go next year, just like Isiah did with a smile:)

     

  • CH

    well said. I think we are stuck with Crean for awhile no matter what his teams do on the court. This coach will have a few years of very talented teams and we will be an average team. Dont expect Big Ten championships let alone a national championship.

  • Martin_L_brooks

    The entire team and coaching staff own this loss. Hulls made some poor decisions but so did Watford, Jones and Vic. No need to single one guy out. This is a terrible loss on all fronts. Season seems to be slipping away rather quickly. Wow, cannot believe they blew it like they did. With all due respect to nebraska they did not win this one, Hoosiers gave it to them. Bottom line remains this team lacks the toughness of a NCAA tourney team. To think they are deserving of a top 25 ranking is a joke. Pathetic is an understatement

  • Anonymous

    IU needs to get that killer instinct and put teams away.  They let every team stay in or let them back in the game…The players and Crean have equal responsibility for this.  Player’s need to mature and stop playing down to the competition.  Crean’s subs and combinations rarely make sense and he’s needs to keep the team motivated. 

    Time to stop the senior loyalty.  VJ3 and Pritchard see too many minutes.  VJ3 is missing the open pass, continually turning the ball over, and looking fill his point line.  Pritchard is left in the game all too often when he is the slower/less athletic match up.  They both burn the team.

    Watford should have had more touches and iso’s. They couldn’t stop him in the 1st half.

    Is there a reason why Abell didn’t see any time?  We could have used his defense a few times in the game.  I think this would have been a good game for him to see minutes.

  • Petefaggen

    This stings big time. This team can’t play with a lead. Too many mistakes, stupid turnovers, iso shots, and overall weak, weak, weak defense. Again, one of the worst defensive teams I have seen in a while.  I pin this on a lack of a point guard — which many of you have already stated. I am preaching to the choir here. But watching that game at Nick’s tonight, and I’ll tell you what, this team is missing something (aside from a true point guard/floor manager), and that is a killer instinct, something. It’s on everybody — Crean, assistants. But Hulls’ turnover (that cross court pass that Nebraska picked off) was a game-changer, even though IU still held a double-digit lead. Sheehey, Oladipo and Watford were horrible in the second half. What I saw was cocky, arrogant play. And I have watched a ton of games as a reporter (previous job, line of work) and fan. This team has no business getting cocky with leads, taking wild shots, and not playing as a team. They gave Nebraska hope and they got what they deserved  This team lacks serious discipline and accountability, and I never thought I would say that after Kentucky and OSU on Dec. 31. But the Hoosiers are what they are, an undisciplined basketball team. Who cares about postseason tournaments now. Those are irrelevant. This is on the brink of collapse.

  • Tim

    I don’t agree with half of what you said (I will get to that later), but I do 100% agree with our lack of killer instinct and horrible substitution tactics. There is no reason Remy should not have seen the floor tonight. Crean is toying with the kids emotions hard. One game he plays double digit minutes and the next he doesn’t even get his warmup off.

    Here is where I will disagree with you and what made me a little angry to read.

    VJ had an assist:turnover ratio of 5:1!! Do not blame him for this loss. That is such an ignorant statement to make. Along with that, Pritch was the only one who showed any emotion tonight. Him getting T’d up was wonderful in my mind. That is the kind of intensity we lost once Big Ten play started. Get in someone’s face and let them know they should not even be on the court with us. 
    Having said that, if you are really worried about turning the ball over, why would you want Watford to have the ball in his hands more tonight? He led out team with 4 TO’s! You’re logic on the game tonight seems highly biased. Take off the sunglasses and look at the game for how it really was. Yes, Verdell has had some atrocious games this year, but this was not one of them.

    sidenote. I would rather have Watford with the ball than either Hulls or Verdell, but your contradictory argument didn’t make sense in this situation.

  • Tim

    I don’t agree with half of what you said (I will get to that later), but I do 100% agree with our lack of killer instinct and horrible substitution tactics. There is no reason Remy should not have seen the floor tonight. Crean is toying with the kids emotions hard. One game he plays double digit minutes and the next he doesn’t even get his warmup off.

    Here is where I will disagree with you and what made me a little angry to read.

    VJ had an assist:turnover ratio of 5:1!! Do not blame him for this loss. That is such an ignorant statement to make. Along with that, Pritch was the only one who showed any emotion tonight. Him getting T’d up was wonderful in my mind. That is the kind of intensity we lost once Big Ten play started. Get in someone’s face and let them know they should not even be on the court with us. 
    Having said that, if you are really worried about turning the ball over, why would you want Watford to have the ball in his hands more tonight? He led out team with 4 TO’s! You’re logic on the game tonight seems highly biased. Take off the sunglasses and look at the game for how it really was. Yes, Verdell has had some atrocious games this year, but this was not one of them.

    sidenote. I would rather have Watford with the ball than either Hulls or Verdell, but your contradictory argument didn’t make sense in this situation.

  • Anonymous

    I wasn’t blaming them for the loss.  I was stating that they get too many minutes (this game and other games) and that played a part in it. Part of Crean’s substituting.  The entire coaching staff and team get the blame in this loss. 

  • Anonymous

    I wasn’t blaming them for the loss.  I was stating that they get too many minutes (this game and other games) and that played a part in it. Part of Crean’s substituting.  The entire coaching staff and team get the blame in this loss.