The Minute After: Penn State

  • 01/08/2012 3:03 pm in

Thoughts on a 88-82 win against Penn State:

It rained threes inside the Bryce Jordan Center this afternoon.

Seven from Jordan Hulls on nine attempts. Five from Matt Roth on six attempts. Sixteen in total on 24 attempts (66.7%) for the Hoosiers. This sort of barrage was in the cards heading into this one. As Alex wrote yesterday — and as the Big Ten Network’s Tom Hart noted on the broadcast (thanks for the shout-out!) — Indiana is the best 3-point shooting team in the nation. Penn State gives up the second highest percentage of opponent points from behind the 3-point line in the country. Still, this sort of gaudy display was a treat and highlighted just how deadly Hulls and Roth are when they get open looks.

But the Nittany Lions would not go down quietly amidst the 3-point flurry. Pat Chambers has his kids playing hard. Some late-game half-court trapping and full-court pressure put the heat on the Hoosiers and caused a few turnovers. The last two minutes dragged, as Penn State made a serious run at pulling off a come-from-behind victory, trailing by just two with 21 seconds to play after getting a few quick, easy buckets at the rim. But some clutch free throw shooting by — who else? — Hulls and Roth shut the door on Penn State’s run.

The Hoosiers, no matter how it looked, picked up just their second conference road win in Tom Crean’s tenure and moved to 15-1 (3-1) on the season. They will take it.

ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS AND STATS:

+ Indiana’s defense has regressed a bit so far this Big Ten season. And such a notion was on full display in Happy Valley. The Hoosiers allowed 82 points to a middling Penn State offensive unit — which tied for the most points the Nittany Lions have scored this season. (They also had 82 points in a win against Youngstown State during the non-conference slate.) Indiana also allowed Penn State to score 1.18 points per possession. The Nittany Lions scored 36 points in the paint this evening, as the Hoosiers didn’t do a particularly good job of stopping penetration. Penn State was very good with the ball, turning it over only nine times (13.0 TO%). Indiana, meanwhile, turned it over 16 times and Penn State was able to score 18 points off of them.

+ Noted this a bit above, but a banner day for both Hulls and Roth. Hulls notched a career-high 28 points — in addition to his seven threes, he was 7-of-9 from the line — and just continues to be one of the best shooters in the country. Roth played arguably the most meaningful minutes of his career this afternoon, making the aforementioned 5-of-6 threes to go along with a perfect 7-of-7 mark from the line for 22 points.

+ Penn State is one of the better offensive rebounding teams in the country. But Indiana kept them below their season mark coming into this one (37.5 OR%), as the Nittany Lions had a offensive rebounding percentage of 25.7 percent for the contest.

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  • Anonymous

    There is a reason Moore hasn’t been playing lately.  It is because we have been playing some of the best teams in the country and he can’t help against those teams.  He came in against PSU and the lead immediately fell apart.  He left and the lead went right back up to eleven.  He should not see minutes in B10 play.  Even Iowa, Nebraska, PSU, and Northwestern.  Every game in the B10 will be a challenge this year and Moore does not help IU’s chances.

  • INUnivHoosier

    The button that helps you type normal says “caps lock” and is on the left side of the keyboard next to A.

  • Jlamarmorris

    Moore seems like a nice kid, but the fact is – he’s not a major D-1 player.  He shouldn’t see the floor until garbage time.  His offensive game is limited to dribbling up the floor and passing it as soon as he defensed; his defense is limited to trying to guard someone, but he just can’t keep up with most D-1 guards.  He really doesn’t have any business on the floor in a close game.  With the only alternative at this point being Remy, Sheehey’s value has never been more apparent.

  • Anonymous

    He seems to pre-meditate his shots.  He’s already decided that if he gets the ball, he’s going to make a move and put it up.

  • Shime

    He wasnt wrong he got the win. How could you possibly say he was wrong . This team knocks off the number one and number two team in the country and just won on the road and you are saying he is wrong. Maybe he did not put Remy in because he does not think he is ready yet. He knows his players alot better than us so called experts. And I admit I am as bad as anyone. I never can understand why we cannot just enjoy a win.

  • Anonymous

    Congrats on our first B1G road win this year.  Obviously, Hulls and Roth were huge today (which I predicted the other day…..hey, I don’t get many right!)  I like what I see from Remy more each game.  He played well today, and I thought even did a better job keeping Frazier “in front of him” that VO did.  This team will continue to learn and grow, and closing out games is part of that.  Can’t wait for the next game!

  • The_Real_Assembly_Hall

    You are spot on with that observation my friend!

  • The_Real_Assembly_Hall

    I hear ya, but atleast he would be trying to solve the issue. The crazy thing as well is that he has been a good ft shooter. Hopefully, it is just a rough patch lately and he works it out.

  • knuckledrager

    Bracy Wright was tearing it up too, till his injury. IMO never played the same afterwards. But, Jay Edwards was one of the finest shooters to tickle the net.

  • Anonymous

    Amen amen and amen. I did hear Crean say postgame if he ha dthe chance to do it over he would of played Remy more. Not sure if he meant those Moore minutes but boy it sort of sticks out like a sore thumb.

  • Virgy

    Has anyone charted CTC’s success of calling T.O’s to set a play with less than 10 seconds to go before halftime, as well as less commonly at crucial times near the end of the game? My gut feeling is that overall this strategy has been a disaster. 

  • Dr. D

    Per your analysis, it seems like they focused on boxing out this game, and did a good job on the boards, as opposed to some other games. In contrast, they didn’t seem to get the steals and turnovers from jumping the passing lanes that they seemed to do earlier in the year. I do think that simply looking at the points allowed is misleading, since they were running up and down the floor a good portion of the game, and that inevitably drives up the scoring.

  • Dr. D

    Verdell is better on defense and can (sometimes) penetrate. He also hits the pull up mid-range jumper, which is something that noone else on the team does well. Roth, while a great shooter – is so-so on defense, especially when we play top tier teams like Kentucky and Ohio st with more athletic guards. His skills also overlap with Hulls and Watford’s, so he doesn’t bring as much diversity to the offense. When Hulls and Watford are out there, we already have 2 guys who can hit the 3. Jones can hit the pull-up midrange shot, and Oladipo can drive to the basket and finish. None are complete players (and none are so great handling the ball)… if you combined the strengths of all of them into 1 player, he’d be unstoppable!

    I think Roth will get more pt as long as he shoots like this. He’s an offense machine right now. But there’s a lot of times where he stands on the perimeter and does nothing. His value is higher when the defense sags to prevent Watford or Zeller inside, and that opens up the perimeter.

  • Dr. D

    Verdell is better on defense and can (sometimes) penetrate. He also hits the pull up mid-range jumper, which is something that noone else on the team does well. Roth, while a great shooter – is so-so on defense, especially when we play top tier teams like Kentucky and Ohio st with more athletic guards. His skills also overlap with Hulls and Watford’s, so he doesn’t bring as much diversity to the offense. When Hulls and Watford are out there, we already have 2 guys who can hit the 3. Jones can hit the pull-up midrange shot, and Oladipo can drive to the basket and finish. None are complete players (and none are so great handling the ball)… if you combined the strengths of all of them into 1 player, he’d be unstoppable!

    I think Roth will get more pt as long as he shoots like this. He’s an offense machine right now. But there’s a lot of times where he stands on the perimeter and does nothing. His value is higher when the defense sags to prevent Watford or Zeller inside, and that opens up the perimeter.

  • Dr. D

    I don’t think Remy is really a ball-handler or one who can run the offense. I know Moore had a bad game today. But for the last several years, he’s been our 2nd most dependable ball handler behind Hulls.

  • Shime

    Easy Mike everything is okay. DM may not be who you would stick in.but that does not mean he should not be playing. There are times Remy looks a little overwhelmed when he is in there. And sometimes DM  might be the one. Why we are winning games is because we are keeping fresh legs as much as possible. We substitute alot more than alot of teams. I have not always agreed with it but it sure seems like it working. TAKE A DEEP BREATH.I do like your passion though.

  • marcusgresham

    You are correct.  Roth should have played a ton yesterday because he was getting open looks and hitting them.  If he’s not shooting he’s not really doing a lot else because he isn’t a ballhandler.

  • marcusgresham

    You are correct.  Roth should have played a ton yesterday because he was getting open looks and hitting them.  If he’s not shooting he’s not really doing a lot else because he isn’t a ballhandler.

  • marcusgresham

    He makes terrible mistakes at times but I’d be hard-pressed to call the guy who led the team in assists selfish.

  • CreamandCrimson

    I don’t need to prop anyone on our team up by tearing someone else down.  However…saying VJIII is the “best assists man hands down” on our team is incorrect.  Hulls and VJIII both have 52 assists on the season.  I believe assist to turnover ratio is important when considering assist stats and Verdell has turned it over 44 to Hulls’ 32. 

    Verdell is not the best assists man on our team.  

  • marcusgresham

    He didn’t see the floor much, but Jeff Oliphant could shoot too

  • marcusgresham

    Ditto for Pat Graham

  • Anonymous

    Correct on Zeller..I expected  him to have significant bench time with foul trouble when the conference started..he’s done better than that..but he’s gonna get banged..and the refs are gonna miss some calls. Help defense is a key to keeping Cody on the floor.  But when the refs call a foul when he’s just standing there with his hands up..and the player jumps into him….gonna be a tough nite. Opponets have to pick their poison..stop us inside or defend the three. I think most will concentrate on the big boys down low and hope IU isn’t lighting it up outside. We’ll see.

  • marcusgresham

    Not correct.  That was simply a foul.  The clock wasn’t running but the game was in play so it wasn’t a flagrant.  Now a couple of charges called against Hulls were against guys still sliding and the foul on Tom Pritchard (as usual) was crap, as the guy was slamming into him and he got called.  Even my wife, who have very limited basketball knowledge, understands that when TP enters the game he’s destined to soon be called for a foul that includes little to no contact.

  • marcusgresham

    Not correct.  That was simply a foul.  The clock wasn’t running but the game was in play so it wasn’t a flagrant.  Now a couple of charges called against Hulls were against guys still sliding and the foul on Tom Pritchard (as usual) was crap, as the guy was slamming into him and he got called.  Even my wife, who have very limited basketball knowledge, understands that when TP enters the game he’s destined to soon be called for a foul that includes little to no contact.

  • marcusgresham

    Elston is struggling with the mask.  He was playing well before he broke his nose and even with the mask played damn good defense last game. That thing obstructs his vision—when it comes off he’ll probably be the guy you saw early in the season again.

  • Anonymous

    I really trust Remy’s defense..and FT shooting.  His ball handling against a quick guard is tentative.  For every two good offensive play he makes..he will have one bad one..trying to be too aggressive or shooting the ball too quick in a possession..but he’s coming and certainly should get Moores minutes.

  • marcusgresham

    We all think too close, but check the Vegas line.  Six.  Vegas usually gets it right.

  • marcusgresham

    Zeller had 4 fouls and he didn’t want him fouling out.

  • marcusgresham

    Howard’s a sophomore.  I think you mean Kory Barnett.

  • marcusgresham

    Howard’s a sophomore.  I think you mean Kory Barnett.

  • marcusgresham

    In fairness to Jones on  the turnover comment, Roth doesn’t really handle the ball when he’s in so he’s not going to accumulate TOs.

  • marcusgresham

    Fouls.  Jones ended up fouling out, Zeller finished with 4.

  • Anonymous

    I wonder if part of the reason there wasn’t a press is because there wasn’t a Sheehey.

  • MillaRed

    He could have helped us last night no doubt. One of our top 4 players IMO.

  • MillaRed

    True, but 1 turnover in 150 minutes is pretty darn great.

    VJ has 1 every 150 seconds.

    Kidding, kidding……

  • MN Tom

    Unbelievable. The Verdell hate continues even after a game that clearly showed his value. Immediately after Verdell fouls out Jordan makes 2 horrible turnovers that turned a 2-3 possession game into a one possession game. Review the tape & you will see that Verdell was on the bench when PSU made most of its runs.

  • MN Tom

    Unbelievable. The Verdell hate continues even after a game that clearly showed his value. Immediately after Verdell fouls out Jordan makes 2 horrible turnovers that turned a 2-3 possession game into a one possession game. Review the tape & you will see that Verdell was on the bench when PSU made most of its runs.

  • Swishmac IU

    I realize that the level of competition is increasing, however anyone else concerned that our “defense first” playing style seems to be a thing of the past?  Wish I would have laid a monster bet on this squad in Vegas, truth be told, I predicted 18 wins this year.

  • Bill

    Any thoughts on the B-10 announcers talking with the new PSU football coach for almost 5 minutes while the game, almost an afterthought, played in the background??
    Also, what was your read on the officiating? Zeller was getting mugged underneath the basket on most possessions and he gets his 3rd or 4th foul on a tick-tacky call at the foul line. Is the officiating that bad in all the conferences?

  • Anonymous

    How many threes would Kitchell and Wittman have hit if they’d have had that shot?

  • Anonymous

    I was annoyed by that–my wife on the other hand, was having a stroke.  It wasn’t just the interview with him, it was the damn split-screen. Why did we need to see the guy talk? He wasn’t juggling chainsaws or anything.