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The Minute After: Savannah State

by in The Minute After | November 19th, 2011

Thoughts on a 94-65 win over the Tigers:

A DIFFERENT FEEL

After putting on a clinic against Evansville on Wednesday, the Hoosiers weren’t as crisp tonight. There were some ill-advised fouls late in the shot clock. Will Sheehey fouled a three-point shooter. Things got a little sloppy and erratic at times. Mentally, the Hoosiers just weren’t as sharp.

They also attempted only six three-point shots, a low number for them.

Yet, Indiana scored over 90 points again. And after a string of misses to start the game, they rallied and shot efficient again as well (60.0 percent eFG%). They also took a high amount of free throws (35-of-47) for a free-throw rate (FTA/FGA) of 95.7.

So yes: not quite as pretty. But it’s another blowout victory for the Hoosiers.

DO IT, DEREK

One thing is clear early in the season: Elston is past his injury issues. He’s moving better. Shooting incredibly well (4-of-6 tonight, nine points). Playing smarter on both ends of the floor. He’s looking confident and more mature.

If he keeps it up, Elston may even find his way into the starting lineup on occasion based on matchups.

We listed him as an X-factor in our preseason preview, writing if he could get back to form, it would give the Hoosiers a nice little boost. So far. So good.

(One very picky obseration: A lot of his makes this season have been long jumpers just in front of the three-point line. You wonder if it makes sense for him to just take a step or two back and get the Hoosiers an extra point on that possession. Maybe he’s just more comfortable with the long two. As long as he keeps hitting, maybe it doesn’t matter.)

FORWARD PROGRESS

Christian Watford had another strong game (19 points on 6-of-7 shooting), and any worries about his play after a rough first two games should be gone by now.

Cody Zeller posted a career-high 23 points (6-of-7, 11-13 from the line). As he started to flash against Evansville, he continues to make more one-on-one moves and assert himself on offense.

We showed their high-low action against Evansville in Film Session yesterday, and the two appeared to be developing a little more chemistry this evening as well.

LOOKING AHEAD

Just one game this coming week. A bout with Gardner Webb on Monday. The Hoosiers will then get Thanksgiving week to prepare for Butler at home a week from tomorrow. Then they’ll travel to Raleigh, North Carolina to take on North Carolina State on Nov. 30 — with games against Kentucky and Notre Dame looming in December.

So some waiting to do. But we should have a better idea of what this is really made of in the coming weeks.

  • InTheMtns

      – struggled with SSU’s athletic players’ quickness and length
      - struggled with guarding the dribble and SSU’s ability to penetrate
      - struggled with controlling the game’s tempo  - barely out rebounded SSU 31/30  – SSU had 14 second chance points/ IU had 12 second chance points  – our “lock-down defender” played only 17 minutes and had 4 fouls
     
      + 29 point victory
      + got better as game progressed with guarding the dribble and with regaining control of tempo
      + 57% field goal shooting, 50% from 3′s
      + 95.7% free-throw rate
      + 16 assists
      + 27 points off turnovers
      + IU kept doing what they do best and pulled away
      + balanced scoring
      + bench contributed 29 points
     
     
    CTC said post-game that team had several banged-up players and that Medical Staff should get the game ball, so maybe that explains a few of the problems. They were a bit sloppy and seemed off at times. But, every team has a game like that and they’ll get better as a result.

  • Anonymous

    Savannah St. was a scrappy team with quickness and athleticism, but little control. It was a good test for us. When we face teams that go after every loose ball it forces us to do the same…we did a good job of diving on the floor and really competing with them. Really impressed with Zeller tonight! Watford looked good as well!

  • HoosierSmitty

    Some good individual efforts tonight. Didn’t look as sharp as a team, however, but I think there was plenty to pleased with. Ready for another big win on Monday, then some true tests on the horizon for the Hoosiers. 

  • IU_Fan_99

    When is Remy going to step it up? He seems very timid…

  • eph521

    This team’s depth was on display tonight. Although 65 of the team’s pts were scored by the starting 5, the bench played a significant role in the victory. Elston and Sheehey did their thing, also nice to see Abell, Etherington, Roth, Moore and The Pritch get some significant playing time. Talk about having some options. Lovin it.

  • http://twitter.com/btown1056 brian workman

    I was overall happy again with IU’s performance tonight, just not as impressed as previous games, but we did have our weak points. I really liked how CZ dove for the ball trying to steal it as well. There were a couple things though I wish could have been done differently such as CZ playing late in the game with a 30 point lead, why risk an injury, and also Remy needs to see more playing time because he just doesn’t seem comfortable yet and I think it is due to lack of playing time. We had quite a few stupid touch fouls tonight to and that just isn’t gonna fly once the Big Ten season starts but like I said before, I am very pleased with our play so far but how could we not be considering our last few years.

  • eph521

    Derek Elston continues his solid play, 14 of 20 FGs this season. What a remarkable turnaround so far this year. Playing his role to the fullest, taking advantage of every minute he gets to play and letting the game come to him. Every time he shoots, you think it’s going in.

  • Anonymous

    23 points on 7 shots?  Not bad.  (Watford’s 19 on 7 would be pretty impressive if not for Zeller)

  • Bleeding Crimson

    Not enough playing time under the belt.

  • Bleeding Crimson

    We haven’t started a season (four games) beating our competition by an avg of 20 pts since 1998-99 (I think).  Good start for the season I would say.

  • IU_Fan_99

    are we ranked #30 on Pomeroy because we are playing weak teams?

  • IUJeff

    Add Zeller, AE and Remy
    Add healthy Elston and improved play in others
    We are back
    I hope Mo is back next year to join the show. IU is going to be special again next year. 

  • WestCoast Hoosier

    We all look at rankings of players coming out of high school. In fact, I think we spend way too much time on that collectively, worrying about players who may not even come to IU, etc.

    But next time you get all excited at an IU get (or disapointed, respectively at an IU not get), remember this:

    Where were Sheehey and Oladipo on the top 100 lists?

    Where would they be now if people went back and re-rated everyone in their classes at the time? Probably much higher – maybe even much much higher.

    Shows that those ratings are not always right.

    Shows that hard work can make a real difference.

    May suggest that out of state players don’t hit their potential as much as in-state players (meaning perhaps that they have a higher ceiling in some cases?)

    Show that character counts. Those are high character guys who want to succeed – and will.

    And shows a good eye by Crean and staff.

  • JohnFromBeyond

    According to another source, not since 1938 or something ridiculous like that!

  • Anonymous

    I find it funny to say that in a 29 point blowout IU really didn’t play that great. I suppose that says something for where they may be heading. I felt that the team speed of Sav St really gave IU problems. They played pretty good “D” for most of the game but the fouls were a problem. One thing is for sure; really, really, really happy Cody chose to come to IU cuz man he’s great! I suppose I’ll take a 29 point win!

  • IUfanPurduePhD

    How many flagrant fouls will Cody have to endure?  Props to the big man for keeping his composure.  Again.

  • Anonymous

    I seen several things in this game that I did not see in last year’s team. First and foremost of course is the improved play we have in the middle. What a difference a presence in the middle makes let alone an athletic one with good hands and that can run the floor. It shows what could have possibly been if Mo had not gotten hurt again and GMM had not been ruled ineligible. Take this team and add a healthy Mo and GMM with a year of experience behind him to it and all of a sudden we are able to pretty much play with just about anyone and are at least two more quality players deeper. It also shows us that Crean has had a very good plan and if not for these unpreventable and unforeseen things would have us even more competitive this year than are now.

    When we got in a little bit of foul trouble, we not only had the depth to be able to withstand it, but did not have a big drop off when we went to the bench because of it. I know it’s only Sav. St. but we, for the most part, was not able to do that last year even against a team like them without having quite the drop off. Next year there will be even less of a drop off if any when the Movement moves onto campus.

    When CZ went out and we were back to the players that got most of the minutes last year we didn’t seem to struggle as much as we did last year. This is probably due to WS & VO making the progress that they did over the summer and DE not being injured plus our D & ball movement just looks better than last year even when last year’s players are on the floor.

    DE is giving us more of what we seen at the end of his freshman year, a whole lot more, and it seems to be making a big difference. He also seems to be playing under control a lot better than he did last year.

  • Anonymous

    It accounts for that. It is the fashion in which we are beating them.

  • InTheMtns

    Agree with you 100%.  And I’d add to your list – shows that player development (coaching) counts, too.

  • InTheMtns

    When we did get into that little bit of foul trouble in the first half with several of the starters having 2 fouls, I thought it was a smart move on CTC’s part to switch to zone defense for the last few minutes of the half. That helped protect players from picking up their third foul. It turned out to be a pretty effective D against SSU, so not much was lost. Then during the half-time break, adjustments were made and he sent them back out in man-to-man and the D was much better. I like seeing them using these games to learn and make progress.

  • Kelin Blab

    + Very happy we had a game a like this against a team that has alot of quickness, team speed, and athleticism like a Kentucky coming up in the near future.

    + A concern would be looking ahead is who will Hulls guard in games like this…Victor vs Teague Hulls vs Who?

    + The best way to describe Elston’s game now is controlled and solid. He doesn’t rush anything, takes the open shot, and just plays like an upperclassmen.

    + This will be a pick your poison team. Clamping down on Zeller free’s up shooters, Watford, VJ3, Victor, or Will could at any point and time go off for 20+…..Elston off the bench is another threat

    + Give Remy time, you will love him, just like Victor

    + Victor and Will combined…avg 25ppg and 10 rebounds is what I read. WOW

    + Love the defensive wrinkle with 3/4 quarter court 2-1-2 press.

  • Anonymous

    interesting free throw contest last night.  The game’s flow was sucked out of the game by the ref’s whistle.  IU took advantage by draining a ton of FT’s.  I would say a good situational experience type of game, SSU was quick, scrappy and didn’t back down.  There was not too many turnovers and the assist numbers are looking good.
    Anyone notice Crean give a hugh fist pump (like he just won the Masters with 25 foot putt), when Zeller missed a FT and Watford snagged the rebound.  The game was totally in hand in the 2nd half, it was awesome!!   

  • INUnivHoosier

    At least it was above the belt.

  • INUnivHoosier

    Most important take away from this game and the others: Ken Nunn loves IU basketball.

    I was very worried about where he fell on that.

  • INUnivHoosier

    I think some tempo issues could be chalked up to constant referee interruption.

    I’m looking forward to seeing the increased understanding from CWat that he’s not the only scorer on the floor anymore.

    Would like to see Sheehey grab a few more rebounds. He looked a little tired/out of sorts in this game. Maybe he wasn’t feeling well…

  • Anonymous

    Totally agree.  Was it just me, or did the second half take 3 hours?  Don’t think it was particularly weighted to one team or the other, but there were a LOT of whistles.

  • Anonymous

    Was hoping we’d have a chance to get Remy and AE more involved – I think we’re spoiled by Cody who has been ready for college basketball since last year – remember that for MOST freshmen it takes awhile to adjust to the college game – good to see them getting into the action early – I think it’ll take a few more games before they are more consistent contributors . . . but it’ll come.

    The best part is that we don’t need them to contribute significantly at this point, which is nice after 3 years of that . . .

  • Anonymous

    It’s great to be at the point where a 29 point win receives so much criticism.  In recent years when it was close early on, like last night, the whole game would be a battle.  Not the case anymore.

  • Anonymous

    One thing that makes Cody Zeller a great player is his maturity.  It is rare to see him force shots or passes.  When he takes those cheap, hard fouls, he doesn’t respond.  He just keeps playing.  He just changes everything for this team.  When he is on the floor, this team looks like they can take anyone.  When he’s not, they do not look quite as good.

  • Anonymous

    Indiana is looking very good. The top 7 players are all real threats to score, defend and rebound. Some persistent worries: 1) Defense, we allowed Savannah St to shoot 44% on FG’s; 2) Rebounding, we just tied a team with no one over 6’8 at 35 rebounds apiece; 3) Fouling, we had 4 key players, Zeller, Oladipo, Sheehey and Watford each pick up 4 fouls, IU would be hurting to lose 1 or 2 of those players to foul disqualification. Indiana needs some depth. Moore can play in limited stretches, but he has to show that he can take and make a FG. Pritchard looked better last night but 15 minutes with just 1 rebound is unacceptable. Etherington was much better on defense and ball movement but he has to hit his shots. Abell impresses me but he has to work harder. Roth does what he can, no big errors, but he has to make his shots. Keep growing and getting better. We are not close to where IU needs to be yet!

  • BEAT KENTUCKY

    I love the way Cody’s emotions are the same no matter what happens . He puts his hard hat on and just goes to work. I am completely impressed with Mr. Zeller .

  • BEAT KENTUCKY

    Love how he has stepped up by playing under control . Some of his best plays have been making the extra pass .

  • BEAT KENTUCKY

    He’ll be fine !

  • Anonymous

    I remember a signature play by Kramer of Purdue not last season but two seasons ago, on the road (I think against Alabama), when he lost the ball on a turn-over, tracked after the opponent with the ball, launched himself in a full dive after the man, used his hands as paddles to finally get to the man, and tipped the ball lose from lying prone on the floor to a Purdue teammate. He was a senior and that was his game-all out hustle. But Cody Zeller, a freshman, in basically lopsided contests, has already had two such plays: 1) when he made the steal, dribbled the court and flushed a dunk; 2) last night when he launched himself in a full dive to try to deflect a break-away from behind. He is such a great basketball player! Thanks to the Zeller family, brothers included, for helping to develop his natural talents and attitude, and letting him lead the Hoosier Basketball resurgence!

  • unclekerfuffle

    I think the fact that no one has made a big deal over Pritch’s dunk says volumes about how we fans see this team in a different light.

  • Anonymous

    Good points Kelin.

  • Anonymous

    All good points.

  • Anonymous

    No. Because we are destroying weak teams!

  • Anonymous

    I understand your point, but I totally disagree. You can get hurt anywhere at any time (like poor Mo Creek walking down his stairs at home). You play to win, to work on growing as a team, and only pull a player if they have an injury or need to rest up for the next game (and as a good sport in a blow-out).

  • Anonymous

    I think that he is growing each time out. This is not “his” team to lead yet. He is keeping his head down and learning how to play college ball.

  • Anonymous

    Interesting. Counting rebounds must be a tricky affair. The stat sheet I printed out said 35-35 in rebounds last night.

  • So_Cal_Hoosier

    Yes, you can get hurt anywhere at any time. But two seasons ago it was Mo Creek having a season-ending injury in a scrub game that we had a commanding lead in. I gotta agree with Brian Workman on this one. I don’t think CZ getting a couple minutes extra playing time is worth risking our season over.

  • Anonymous

    Good analysis…lot of “teachable moments” for Crean in that game..sloppy a good adjective. With Hulls and Cody both on the bench int he first half..the offense reverted to standing around the perimeter for too long. Great to see improved FT shooting..ball movement that creates them…and much more effort on defense. Wat’s gonna have problems against a quicker opponet..but his offense is coming around. Nobody is a ball hog..and they seem to enjoy running and moving the ball..boy is THAT different.

  • Anonymous

    Way too many “little bump with the body fouls” called on both teams. Not unusual early in the season..but destroys the flow of the game. IU made some really dumb reach in fouls….

  • Anonymous

    I actually like Remy running point better than Moore..as long as he doesn’t shoot anything but layouts. The lad has a really bad stroke.

  • Anonymous

    Agree that Cody was in there too long..altho I suspect Crean wanted him to experience playing with four fouls. That dive for the ball was a dumb play..too many bad things could have happened..and with a 20 point lead??…appreciate his hustle..but the season/future is wrapped up in this guy.

  • InTheMtns

    IU Athletics Official Basketball Box Score and Gametracker both had IU with 31 and Savannah with 30. I’ve seen other games though where different sources had different numbers for rebounds. Either way, 31/30 or 35/35, IU should be able to do better against a team capped at 6’8″. It certainly didn’t affect the outcome of this game and I imagine rebounding will improve as the season continues.

  • InTheMtns

    Agree, 54 fouls will definitely change the tempo!  At times in the first half, though, Savannah was successful at controlling the pace and IU was reacting to them instead of playing their game. Coach Broadnax said they had hoped to be able control the pace because they couldn’t go toe-to-toe with IU’s players. IU did figure it out and got it corrected – I’m impressed with their ability this year to make adjustments.

  • oregoniu

    I agree and add; they need to play as a team for 40 mins. The minute the team gets comfortably (12 points or more) ahead certain players start forcing shots looking to pad their numbers. I still don’t see players devoted to the ‘team’ concept and that rest squarely with CTC. Willy Neally play can work against the ‘cupcake teams’ but it won’t during Big Ten season. There were periods of team play, and as always, any win is a good win, GO IU!!

  • IU_Fan_99

    I’m just excited to see him do well… every time he touches the ball I’m excited for him and want him to drive to the basket and make a big play… and then he dumps it off to someone else haha

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