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The Minute After: Michigan

by in The Minute After | February 12th, 2011

Thoughts on a 73-69 loss to Michigan:

Well that got interesting.

After Indiana found itself down by as many as 22 in the second half and just about dead on the afternoon, it mounted an aggressive 25-7 run over the last 5:26 of the ballgame and nearly pulled this sucker out.

Michigan’s inept free-throw shooting in the closing minutes helped a good deal. (It only finished 19-of-37 (51.4 percent) from the line for the game.)

But the Wolverines mounted that big second-half lead on the strength of some healthy three-point shooting (8-of-15 for 53.3 percent), as Indiana struggled to defend from beyond the arc. Tim Hardaway Jr. was also unstoppable for a stretch in the second half, exploiting a mismatch with Daniel Moore. The freshman scored a career-high 26 points on 9-of-11 shooting (4-of-6 from three), though he was part of the free-throw problems (4-of-9).

Indiana turned the ball over on several occasions to start the game, which limited shot opportunities and got the Hoosiers off on the wrong foot. But they held Michigan to just three points in the last 6:38 of the first half — all coming on free throws — and went into the locker room down eight despite 10 turnovers and just 37 percent shooting from the field.

Looking at this weird, unbalanced one during the low stretches, Indiana just wasn’t sharp enough this afternoon. But the Hoosiers showed much resilience in only losing by four.

Other thoughts:

+ After attacking the basket during their second-half comeback, some questionable shot selection doomed the Hoosiers in the final seconds. With 15 ticks to go, Matt Roth took a long, contested three he wasn’t quite set for that barely hit the rim. But thanks to two missed free throws by Hardaway Jr., the Hoosiers got the ball back down four still. Yet, Jordan Hulls took a quick contested three of his own at the eight-second mark, which missed as well. Two free throws by Darius Morris right after pretty much put this one away.

Of course, with limited time on the clock, the Hoosiers didn’t have the luxury of running a ton of clock to find better looks. Still, with the margin for error low at that juncture, it was the turning point of the comeback.

+ Christian Watford’s performed well in his return to action. He scored 14 points (6-of-10 from the field, 2-of-4 from three) in a limited 22 minutes. His shot didn’t seem to be affected at all by the wrap on his hand, which bodes well for the Hoosiers heading forward.

+ While Michigan had a rough go of it at the line, the Hoosiers weren’t that great themselves — shooting only 13-of-22 for 59.1 percent. And they only hit 25 percent (4-of-16) from three. Shoot a little better in either category, and it could have tipped this game in Indiana’s favor.

  • Diesel

    I meant “intentional”, as I assume you did too

  • Anonymous

    I agree. The rotations are terrible. Unfortunately I’ve been saying this for two years now and Crean obviously doesn’t see it the same way and I’m almost convinced it will never change. I like your lineup – at least the first four. That’s what I was thinking yesterday. Which guys bring “it” every game (not necessarily has a good game every time, but shows up with effort consistently)? For me its JH, WO, WS, and Pritchard. Those 4 were in the game with Watford for a whole minute and a half I think yesterday. Then Moore comes in for Sheehey???

    I think a big problem with this team is that there are certain players that don’t show up to play Every Game and it affects the whole team.

  • jaywiz

    Thanks, Now I just have to worry about the portal, which I am pretty sure is in my wayl.

  • http://www.twitter.com/GBuc12 BaseballBuc

    I like Daniel Moore, but there is no chance he should be playing instead of Hulls. Hulls is the best passer we have, not to mention his shooting ability. I’m can live with a couple turnovers against pressure if he’s going to hit shots, which Daniel Moore can’t.

  • Diesel

    If you are on the bench, it is YOUR JOB to know what the hell is going on with both teams.

  • MillaRed

    These concerns have been there all year long really.

    The rotation.

    The cuddly relationship with bad officials.

    I understand why Moore plays, but he shouldn’t next year.

    Rivers is not looking good right now. That’s two games is a row where he is completely a non-factor. Let’s see what he does on Saturday.

    And I’m sorry but i don’t like it when Coach spends ten minutes telling the press that his players have so many problems. He has plenty of his own to work on. For instance, how many open threes did the (younger) Michigan get out of a set play? 5? 7? Have we opened up a shooter the entire year on a set play?

    They also got an easy 5 footer off a baseline inbound play. We have one baseline inbound play. We run it every game all the time. Can we at least try something else? Anything to get an easy basket? It’s all one on one.

    Oh well, no biggie. Glad Watford is back I think we’ll play better.

  • MillaRed

    I agree. They def are keying on him though. But I will say this, if I am on the court with Rivers, Moore, Capo and Pritch, you better key on me too.

    Jordy just needs more help and he will have it next year.

  • MillaRed

    By the way I liked Rivers reaction and the technical. He was absolutely mugged on the baseline and didn’t get a call. (what a shocker). There are some calls that are not made that just make the ref look stupid. The result is heavy frustration and a technical foul. The non-call was the reason JR got T’d up in the first place.

  • Diesel

    Boston University was Moore’s only D1 offer.

  • Diesel

    This man speaks the truth.

  • Diesel

    I’ve heard that the proverbial dog house that Elston finds himself in is actually real. It sits over in the corner of Cook Hall while and DE sit over there with a few bones while the rest of the team is getting better.

    As for his confidence, I’m not buying it. The kid shoots every time he touches it.

    By the way, welcome back to ITH.

  • Anonymous

    I think that the only thing more amazing than finding ourselves with some kind of shot at actually winning this was Michigan’s free throw shooting.

  • Diesel

    You bring it again, O wise one. Agree with every point.

  • http://www.twitter.com/GBuc12 BaseballBuc

    I think the rotation is more of an offensive system problem. I don’t think we have the right personell to run the offense we run. That said it affects the rotation.

    Agree 100% with you on Moore. Should not play.

    Other than Watford no one was ready to play. I’m not sure who’s fault it was but obviously no one played well.

  • HoosNation

    with some basic calculations, if elston gets minutes/shot attempts that watford does- he avg 13.5 pts (including ft’s) and 6.2 reb per game. 8 less turn overs and 28 less empty possessions due to a missed field goal. also i know watford gives up more than 2 baskets more a game than elston so that negates the points per game difference.

  • Anonymous

    In my best British parliamentary voice….Here Here.

    Plus, if I’m not mistaken, with the exception of going to Howard before Capo (see message sent ), they all had their chance on the floor before he went to Moore. I don’t have the benefit of watching it over again but that is how I am remembering it.

  • Anonymous

    And if you have questions, then ask, there is more than one or even two coaches on the team.

  • Kelin Blab

    So lets review thus far….
    + Can see Hulls improvement
    + Watford has improved from last season and earlier this season
    + The FROSH, have really gotten better and I believe Crean trust them more now
    + JR has improved, despite a bad couple of games. Still plays very good D and looks more comfortable offensively.
    + VJ’s decision has gotten a little better
    + Pritch is playing with more confidence

    Still waiting on ….
    + Capo to do something
    + Roth to go to the basket
    + Guy to be declared eligible

  • Anonymous

    Couldn’t remember if it was Boston or Northeastern, thanks.

  • Anonymous

    That doesn’t account for how he would respond to being a focus of the defense.

    Also, in that proposed lineup with Oladipo and Sheehey, they’re better slashers than shooters, Watford’s range would open the court for them. Elston shooting 3′s is exactly what you want if you’re an opponent facing that lineup.

  • Anonymous

    I could be wrong, but I think what really upset Rivers was that it appeared Novak got him in the face at the end of the play after the whistle. The reply angles didn’t show it well.

    Also, I don’t think Novak walks away if he didn’t already know he got away with one.

  • HoosNation

    great insight dsouth. could definately see that weighing down on elston. those two based on game time situations could easily be interchangeable. whos playing better that night sort of thing. i just feel like wat has such a long leash and goes on long stretches were he actually hurts us more than he helps. could be on the coach for not recognizing the problem…. u never know for sure.

  • Anonymous

    Couldn’t agree more re: the lineup of Moore/TP/JR on the floor together.

    However, JR is so great on defense. Problem is that he hasn’t been the same since the Illinois game when he took that nasty (illegal) pick by that giraffe aka Mike Tisdale. As many have said already, I think the week off will be great for the team, but especially for Rivers. He’s a senior and needs to hit the homestretch hard.

  • Brklynhoosier

    + and Elston to emerge

  • InTheMtns

    There have been quite a few times when they have gotten Matt open, but by the time he gets ready to shot, the defender gets there and Matt ends up passing the ball. Maybe they should run more sets to get him open, but he has to do his part also.

  • Anonymous

    A recruit’s ranking doesn’t really matter once he hits the court. On top of that, a recruit’s ranking is subjective anyway. I think that we could look at those rankings and say that Hulls was ranked too low, and Elston too high.

    Also, while we have had some decent recruits over the past three years, IU has had zero foundation for them. We had nothing. These recruits weren’t coming to campus knowing they would have to compete for minutes. Everyone pretty much knew that Creek and Watford were going to be our best players before they ever put on candy-striped warm-ups.

    I agree that not redshirting Bawa was a mistake, but we know what they say about hindsight being 20/20, right? I honestly think that CTC was blindsided by the NCAA ruling Guy ineligible. I think that has had a profound effect on this team.

    Personally, I think that we have seen a lot of players improve. Sheehey and VO look like different players to me now compared to November. JR, JH and TP all have improved a lot as well. The team laid an egg for 30+ minutes Saturday, but to say we aren’t seeing any improvement is incorrect, imo.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think we lost due to “poor coaching decisions/strategies.” We lost because we turned the ball over nearly every other time down the floor in the 1st half. I don’t think CTC has a lot to do with guys making bone-headed decisions and bad passes. If CTC is anything like the coaches I played for, he probably pulls his hair out when guys make passes like they were making. He isn’t teaching that.

    I won’t fuss too much over your rotation opinion, but I think Elston’s play has been pretty awful lately. Right now, I’d nearly rather see Capo in the lineup. Hopefully DE can work it out, though.

  • MillaRed

    I agree. It was a double whammy. He got hacked on the sideline and gave up the ball. Ran into Novak and there was an exchange. I still think if the official does his job this doesn’t happen.

  • MillaRed

    Thing is, letting Bawa go and gambling on Guy was a complete fail. It completely changed the team don’t you agree?

    Why not keep Bawa as an insurance policy? He had to be as good as Capo if not better. There is nothing wrong with stashing a 7 footer and just focusing on D and rebounding.

  • MillaRed

    When we have Moore, Rivers and Verdell on the floor together, you can just see the defense squeeze the paint. The 3-point line may as well be at 30 feet. Huge disadvantage.

  • Anonymous

    I know everyone is dogging Moore, and I cringe when I see him come in too, but no one gives more effort than him. He played fine yesterday, imo. Still, I think a team that gives any minutes to a Daniel Moore needs to find a different solution.

    Each one of us has a different idea about rotations, but I’m willing to trust that CTC knows more than we do about personnel. Also, we aren’t seeing what goes on during practice. It is one thing to give great effort during the game, but if you don’t give the same effort in practice, you don’t deserve minutes.

    One thing I would like to see more of is Jordy and Roth on the court together. When only one is on the court, his defender never leaves him, so it is hard to get a good shot. When both are on the court, it is nearly impossible to front/deny both the ball AND cover CW underneath.

  • JerryCT

    Coach makes a point of comparing “Combative vs Play Hard ” . How do you teach players what you mean by the difference ?

    My own ideas :

    1. Start the game w a press or half court trapping defense to set the tone and do not change until every player you intend to play has played .

    2. No switching on defense and only opportunistic “help”. Each player must meet his matchup challenge or get exposed .

    3. Establish offensive sets where everybody, everybody screens . If you bail out on the screen ( ie DE ) you sit out a rotation. ( review Pitt vs Nova )

    4. Each starting 5 player gets at least one clear out designed for them per half , where they take their man one on one ……… win, lose, draw for all to see. ( hate this but we are teaching combative here )

    Hulls :

    I agree w coach that the more time he has the ball at point the more we need other options on the floor to take pressure off him or devise schemes to play him off the wing

  • Anonymous

    Watched the Illannoy and PUke game Sunday and Tisdale set the same kind of screen he did on JR, you know where he is not completely set and a part of his body seems to just all of a sudden jerk in a certain direction to maximize the effect of his moving screen. At least he got called for the foul that time but then again it wasn’t at the end of the game and with the outcome of the game more or less on the line either.

    If what VJ3 did could be called an intentional foul then a lot of the screens that Tisdale sets definitely fall into that category and should be called as such.

  • Anonymous

    Does anybody else seem to think the team plays a bit more gritty or perhaps driven? When a couple guys get an edge… get a lil angry…

    By no means do I ever want IU to be the bad boys… But having a lil flair.. lil heart… and having each others backs I think helps the team…

    I liked seeing Jordy and more recently Rivers get a lil angry!

  • Anonymous

    Your reasoning for JH & Roth being on the floor at the same time makes sense and if you plug a healthy Mo into Roth’s spot in that equation it makes even more sense. It is also sound reasoning for making the case of just how much it hurts this team not having a ” healthy ” Mo. I’ll go even one further and say that it is also sound reasoning for VJ3 coming off the bench next year if Mo is back to 100%. Of course if WS or VO can make some good progress in the off season that might be enough of a reason to have VJ3 come off the bench whether Mo is back to 100% by then or not. I don’t hate VJ3 or want him to transfer but he can help this team a whole lot more than he has been by being used differently IMHO. I’m with Jerry in that he would seem to be better suited to playing the 2 and creating other options for him as opposed to the ones that he has now.

  • Anonymous

    That is EXACTLY what I was thinking when Novak just walked away and wouldn’t even turn around at all. At the Div 1 level rarely does one player call another player out the way JR did Novak and the called out player just walk away let alone walk away and not say anything back unless they know they got away with one. Any referee that is legitimately reffing on the Div 1 level knows that there was more to what happened simply by Novak’s non-reaction to JR. Maybe the ref realized something more had to have went on when he seen Novak’s non-reaction but knew he couldn’t T him up since he didn’t actually see it and immediately T’ing up Morris kinda equaled things out a little bit.

  • Anonymous

    On the post game comments with Fisch, Crean said he probably should have started pressing earlier than he did and that was something that we might possibly start doing more of in the future. ( See Mike nodding his head in complete agreement )

  • Anonymous

    After some thought, maybe Elston is just going through that weird sophomore “slump” – Pritchard kind of went through it last year too, but I have noticed a great deal of improvement from him this year. Maybe Elston will be able to get it all together next year ???

  • Anonymous

    send an application to the coaching staff – Bloomington is still a pretty nice city

  • Anonymous

    Rivers has actually seemingly been losing his developmental momentum as of the last 3 games. I believe it actually even happened in the MSU game where he felt he let down his team by missing the ft’s down the stretch. He is still playing better than he did all of last season but he has been much more up and down lately.

  • Anonymous

    Rivers seriously looked like he wanted to rip Novaks head off – pretty intimidating – just can’t do it and pick up his 4th personal foul before the end of the first half. Also you need to back up this “edge” with competitive execution

  • Anonymous

    Agreed, Watford should be the 35-40 area and DE around 10-15….maybe not even that much for DE.

  • Anonymous

    Sure it was a mistake, but over the summer we didn’t know that it would be. That’s the definition of hindsight. I think what changed the team was the NCAA and their bogus ruling. Maybe CTC wanted to redshirt Bawa, but Bawa refused to accept it? Guy looks beefier than Bawa, and maybe that is what CTC wanted.

  • Anonymous

    I think Roth fits well on the floor when the other team is in a zone defense that allows for open threes, but when the team is in man to man it doesn’t seem that he can get separation and our offense doesn’t run screens for him.

    I don’t mind seeing Moore on the floor and like his effort, but he is in there for too many extended minutes. A couple minutes of fame here and there is fine, but extending it to 4-5 minutes at a time usually results in a run by the other team.

    I am still puzzled by the lineups. It’s hard to trust what he is doing when you can’t think of an explanation for it. I know we’ve heard several examples but here is another. I have seen a few games where a player will sit out the majority of the last 10-15 minutes of the game, but only to come in with less than 5 to play??? A certain group of players get you to that point competitively only to be substituted for in crunch time with a player that had been riding the pine for that stretch of minutes. Just puzzling and well frustrating.

  • Anonymous

    Completely agree about a healthy Creek. I’d love to see VJ3 off the bench next year as a slasher/scorer. I too am not a fan of VJ3 at the one, but other than Hulls or (gulp) Moore, who do you put there? I don’t think we really have another option. Regardless or who starts, a healthy Creek is exceptionally important to our chances next season.

  • Anonymous

    YES! having the edge with competitive execution sounds like a great thing to me!!! the phrase ‘competitive execution’ could probably go along with many of the teams faults over the course of a game…

  • MillaRed

    I agree with all of that but at the end of the day, no Bawa or Guy and our
    front line really needs an extra body.

  • Anonymous

    @Milla: at least you are consistent. After EVERY loss, you blame CTC. We have lost a lot of road games on the road in conference over the years with better teams. I remember going to Michigan one year with a really good club and getting run out of town by about 25. Was it RMK’s fault we lost that game? Was it poor effort? Or could it have possibly been that we just laid an egg and nothing more? That said, I do agree that I’d prefer to see something like a Wisconsin swing offense or motion than what we run, but I trust that CTC is a better coach than me or you.

    The team looked awful for 30+ Saturday, and then they made some adjustments and played great for 10. When I see a team make adjustments on the fly, that is typically in response to coaching. Why didn’t it happen sooner? No idea, but at least it happened eventually. If Roth and Hulls bury those 3s at the end, a lot of the complainers would be praising our effort down the stretch.

    I think we give coaches, in general, too much blame for losses and too much credit for wins. The players win or lose games.

    We are a couple of buckets from being about .500 in conference. Hopefully, next year we will get some of those to fall instead of rimming out.

  • Anonymous

    A healthy Mo Creek will keep teams from keying on Jordy as much too.

  • http://www.twitter.com/GBuc12 BaseballBuc

    Calbert, I 100% agree with you. Purdue got beat by 30 by OSU earlier in the season and nobody blamed Painter they just weren’t ready to play. Same case here.

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