So what comes next?

  • 12/27/2010 11:20 pm in

BLOOMINGTON — Tom Crean appeared a man defiant in his postgame press conference Monday night.

He oozed belief, while admitting that, at times, his team has lost it. He said “old scars” were still hurting Indiana, particularly in close games like this, but remained adamant that his team will eventually put them to rest forever. He said the things a man in his position must say, perhaps the only things he could say.

But there’s a disconnect in that reasoning.

Indiana’s problems are no longer individual. They are not problems with Verdell Jones, or problems with rebounding, or turnovers or 3-point shooting or perimeter defense or ball pressure.

Indiana is losing as a team, suffering from an epidemic lack of confidence. Against Penn State on Monday night, players looked the wrong kind of cautious — double-clutching under the rim when a straight put-back would have been fine, unwilling to move or move the ball, or any of a host of other signs of a team that no longer believes in its every move.

“The old wounds and the old scars of getting close and not being able to pull it off came back and got us,” Crean said, referring to his team’s near comeback Monday night. The Hoosiers were down as much as 14 in the first half, but cut slowly into the deficit in the second, taking a brief one-point lead that lasted 35 seconds.

But, as has happened too many times over the last 2 1/2 years, the game slipped away, lost on what Crean described essentially as the fundamentals — box outs, defense — and a lack of belief.

“I’m not looking to see a 2:28 timeout with a ‘We just can’t get over the hump’ look, because that was the past repeating itself,” he said. “We’ve got to learn to get over the hump, and we haven’t been able to do that.”

This was the one game Indiana was supposed to be guaranteed, the one game they couldn’t afford to lose. Fox Sports analyst Jeff Goodman even went so far as to call Monday’s contest a “must-win game” for the Hoosiers.

But such urgency was not there early, when the Hoosiers’ lack of effective on-ball pressure gave Penn State too many open looks. And it was destructive late, when too many possessions were rushed or wasted by poor shot selection.

“I think crunch time I think it’s natural for people to want to try to be a hero, people try to do their own thing,” Jeremiah Rivers said after the game. “And I think that’s obviously not the way we’re gonna win games.”

But it was that greater idea of “crunch time” that permeated everything Monday night. It’s what, perhaps more than anything else, has plagued Indiana since 2008 — the inability to make the important play at the absolutely crucial moment.

Crean admitted after the game that the Hoosiers’ non-conference schedule was built in part to give them “some wins to keep moving forward.” But in Indiana’s five losses, the script has played out remarkably similar — a slow start early, coupled with a second-half surge to bring the game to its tipping point, only to slip at the most important moment.

“Sometimes,” said Penn State coach Ed DeChellis, referring perhaps unknowingly to the game as a whole, “you’ve got to make plays when they’re there to be made.”

How is such a problem corrected? That, it would seem, is the answer Indiana has sought throughout Crean’s tenure. How do you teach a team to win when all it knows is losing?

If the last two years are evidence, there is no easy answer. Maybe there is no answer at all. All the things this team was when it was losing that were supposed to be the root causes no longer apply. Indiana has depth, experience, scoring ability, defensive presence.

No, it’s not graced in the way that say, Ohio State is. But the team that beat the Hoosiers inside Assembly Hall on Monday got 82.6 percent of its points from three players. You make do with what you’ve got the best you can, and Indiana has more, at least at face value, than Monday’s performance suggested.

And so came Crean’s Monday night defiance: acknowledging that his team still has not learned how to win, but adamant that the past will remain firmly there.

“We’re not going back to those days,” Crean said. “We’re not going to relive those.”

(Photo credit: Jamie Owens/J. Scott Photography)

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  • Anonymous

    Interesting quote by Rivers:

    “I think crunch time I think it’s natural for people to want to try to be a hero, people try to do their own thing,” Jeremiah Rivers said after the game. “And I think that’s obviously not the way we’re gonna win games.”

    Hope this is the beginning of JR taking the leadership reigns. Not saying I want him to take a crunch time shot, far from it. But someone on the floor, ideally from the point guard position, has to make his teammates accountable. And more importantly, needs to provide an assertive influence in order to get the offense to run the right play to get a quality, non-rushed shot (cough Verdell, cough cough Watford) during crunch time.

  • Anonymous

    This loss was painful.

    Our team struggled mightily to open the game, and that was really the difference. Too many of our games, even against lesser opponents, have begun this way. We come out of the gate slow night after night and it has hurt us badly. Penn State opened the game hot from outside the arc, but then again they were taking uncontested looks. So then it makes sense that they were hitting practice percentages.

    Again, our offense was unbalanced, and our scoring unsteady. Tonight, lo and behold, it was Watford that struggled against what will probably be his best matchup down low for the remainder of the year. Hulls and Elston both looked for their shot. Hulls made some big time baskets. He even attempted a shot while he was well-covered (it was a shot clock heave, of course, but he made it!). Hopefully this is the Hulls we see from this point forward.

    Elston’s poor defense was a big part of the run by Penn State. On the play before IU’s first time out, Elston beats his man down the floor and waits for him on the block. As the forward approaches, he sees that Elston isn’t going to come forward to pressure the ball. He slows up, sets his feet, and drains a three pointer. Though Elston began to close out, there was still a couple feet between them when the ball went through the net, let alone when it left the guy’s hand. Crean took a time out and took Elston out of the game.

    Elston needs to pressure the ball more, and play more active than passive defense. So does the rest of our team. I thought we had turned a corner on defense but our perimeter defense has buried us thus far this season.

  • Anonymous

    Rivers showed off that precision passing that Crean told us would wow us last summer. Finally. I was really down on Rivers after his pouty behavior during last season’s Big Ten play but he really looks to have matured quite a bit.

    I think Crean should lengthen his leash. Rivers has made some really nice, crisp passes and I wouldn’t mind seeing him attempt to slash to the basket. We have so few players that can slash to the hoop that it’s kind of a waste to see Rivers with 0 points night after night. So long as it’s clear that Rivers isn’t supposed to be out there working on his jumpshots I think Rivers making attempts at the rim wouldn’t hurt the team.

    He has the capability to drive and dish, but I think he’d suck in the defense more if he took the shot on maybe 15-25% of his drives.

  • Anonymous

    Bad loss tonight. This was the one we were suppose to get and we didn’t get it. I appreciate Crean’s enthusiasm and outlook but it is hard from my end to watch this same thing over and over again. I have optimism and then it is shattered. YUCK!!!!

    Two positives that stuck out to me tonight were the resurgence of Mo Creek and the Hulls getting himself some open looks. Oladipo also played with a lot of energy and created some things.

    Where was Sheehey? call me crazy but I believe his length and athleticism could have really helped on perimiter defense.

    Where was the defense? (1st half)- no seriously, where was it?
    (2nd half)- much better than the 1st

    I am just disgusted right now

  • Anonymous

    I wouldn’t call Creek’s 3 minute outburst a resurgence quite yet. It’s more of a flash of his brilliance/talent.

    I would love nothing more than to get the MC that we all fell in love with last season, but his lateral quickness still isn’t there in order for him to stay on the floor as a competent defender.

    Sure it was nice to see him hit the floater, the lefty layup, etc, but we need complete basketball players on this team. I wasn’t a fan of the heat-check three pointer either. We had just taken the lead and now had a chance to control the game. I thought the shot was a bit ill-advised considering his low shooting % from beyond the arc the last few games. Missed 3-pointers lead to long rebounds for the opponent who are then able to get out in transition.

    Re: Sheehey, pretty sure he was still feeling the effects of his injury in Vegas. Would like to see him matched up on Diebler vs. OSU when he checks in.

  • SHEEHEYisApimp

    What’s next? Ohio St. Seems like a few weeks ago I was all depressed because the Hoosiers were headed to Lexington to face a beast in UK. I remember my hillbilly cousin (he’s a Kentucky fan) texting me at halftime saying “We’re screwed!” I thought to myself….”these kids showed me a LOT in the 1st 15 minutes of the 2nd half at Boston College. They’re showing me the same mojo versus Kentucky for the first 31 minutes.” They are showing real spurts of competitiveness. I realize that most of us are dreaming of 1987 and the early 90’s as well…but this is a NEW Cream and Crimson tradition being built. Like I tell my students…if you want to build a nice house, you can’t put the roof on before you put up the walls…you can’t put up the walls before the foundation is poured. Four years ago, we watched our storied program get DEMOLISHED by KS and Mr. Davis before that. CTC is in the pouring of the foundation (basement or slab, I’ll let you choose) part of this rebuilding process. I’m thinking the next step is for Hoosier Nation to take a DEEP BREATH and relax. The man is rebuilding the right way with the right kids. Temper the expectations a little bit and let Michaelangelo complete his masterpiece….GREAT THINGS COME TO THOSE WHO WAIT….PATIENTLY!

  • Kelin CreDavis

    Could it be IU will lose some games they should not…like PSU. But win some games the same way…like OSU on Friday. Happy New Year…….

  • N71

    All we need to do to right the ship is to beat Ohio State. Shouldn’t be too difficult. Defend, score, and at the end of the game be certain we have more points than the Buckeyes.

  • LDIU

    No doubt that Elston is weak on defense. The real problem is that EVERYONE is, also. I’ve been to virtually every game (and will be again on Friday) and WE simply cannot stop the other team in key situations.

  • Anonymous

    I feared this before the season began. A lot of posters had some fairly high expectations, and I tried to sell myself on it and asked how is IU going to be that much better than they were a year before? Experience? -sure it pays off usually, but the rest of the b10 added experience too and almost all of them beat us last year, and our best talent are sophomores to their seniors. So then I sold myself on player additions – Creek of old, Guy, Roth, Oli, Sheehey – that’s 3-5 solid additions! But Creek isn’t healthy yet and Guy didn’t work out. Roth and Sheehey combined isn’t making a big difference. Oli is the one addition that really helps IU.

    I guess what I am getting at is that I shouldn’t have expected a whole lot more than last year. A summer of practice with essentially the same team as last year probably won’t win 5-10 more competitive games than last year. The biggest hope I can lean on this year is ‘magic’ (termed somewhat loosely – like IU’s last final four run was magical). Hope that IU pulls off some wins it shouldn’t have won and somehow finds some mojo – winning breading into more wins. Go IU!

  • MillaRed

    Many have noted VO needs to be on the floor so I looked into what he really is bringing to the table. Since he is getting less minutes, the only way to do so was to average production per 40 minutes of PT. I used the “pick to click” point system to come up with an overall score per 40. Kind of estimated a few here and there but it’s still accurate from top to bottom. Obviously we are not talking about defense here folks.

    1 – Watford 65 per 40 min
    2 – VO – 60
    3 – Mo – 52
    4 – WS – 51
    5 – JR – 49
    6 – MR – 43
    7 – JH – 42 (wow)
    8 – DE – 39

    – The rest of the team isn’t putting up enough to even score.
    – The VO rumors are true, he is the 2nd most productive player on the team. Over the last 3 games, it’s not even close.
    – Mo may surprise a lot of you. But he is only getting 20 min per game. He actually is fairly efficient but has struggled lately.
    – Will needs more PT. Plain and simple. He averages 17.6 points and 9.1 rebounds per 40 minutes! (so does Victor) Someone pass that along to the staff please.
    – Hulls is a surprise here eh? I did the math twice. I am surprised. He is 2nd on the team in minutes played. His handful of empty games really hurt these statistics. But now he is more aggressive and I expect these numbers to go up. (last two games he is at 49)

  • marcusgresham

    I keep wavering here between optimism and the ledge. Part of me keeps thinking about what others are saying—we still start 4 sophomores and one of the other key contributors is a freshman (and I wish it were two other key contributors–Sheehey needs to be known from here on out as “Cowbell” because we need more of him!) In addition to that this team is racking up injuries like a football squad. I think Hulls and Vic are the only two of the core players who haven’t had a physical problem so far (TP–hand; Elston–missed a game, then was apparently sick, too; Watford–said he had back spasms most of the game); Capobianco–knee or leg; Rivers–didn’t even think he’d play the last game; Creek–won’t be 100% ’til Hoosier Hysteria; Jones–ankle; Sheehey–only played a minute last night due to whatever happened to him in the last game (sorry, I didn’t get to see it so I don’t remember); Roth missed a couple of games. Since when do basketball teams have significant injuries to nine of top 11 players at the midpoint of a season?

    Then I start wondering, and I apologize for sounding negative, will this team be any better next season? The three glaring deficiencies are post, point, and defense (and I’d think you could consider rebounding to be a bit of a soft spot, as well.) Sure Zeller should help at post (and hopefully interior defense,) but the other could be even worse. Right now the three options are Hulls, Jones, and Rivers. Rivers is by far the best defender of the three, and he won’t be here. Unless Kelvin Amayo (or someone we currently don’t know about) signs, there won’t be any help there until the year after next (at which point Jones will be gone as well.) Rivers is also one of the best rebounders on the team at this point. The one hope there is that defense and rebounding have been two aspects in which VO has shown flashes, and I would think he would be (along with Sheehey,) the most likely candidate to inherit JR’s minutes after he’s graduated.

    In one aspect there I suppose you can almost consider next year’s two-man (if it stays at that number, barring another addition) a three-year class by thinking of a completely healthy Maurice Creek as a superb juco coming in to light it up for two years. (OK, that makes me feel a little better already.) He’s obviously not a point guard, but I do think when healthy he has a similar ability to drive that Jones has–he should be as good if not better, given that his defender has to stay tight on him to respect his outside shot.

  • Anonymous

    We just need to get more athletic – I feel Zeller and Etherington add two more athletic players – add to them VO and Will – and Creek, Elston, and Watford should be able to keep up with their tempo. If we can add another athletic big and PG to next years squad then I’ll feel better about our chance of significant improvement.
    btw – that’s the last comment I make about next years team 🙁

  • JerryCT

    Good work and I am not surprised except for Mo. These are always offense heavy things.

    Of course defense and some other things change the story but not with WS or VO

  • sounds like coach was picking at an old scab and it fell off. honestly, when your lost for words coach becomes the blame. no way you can point fingers at the kids that play. this kind of picking should be expected. BIG 10
    GO IU

  • MillaRed

    We will be so much better next year. It’s not even a debate.

    The addition of Zeller gives us a post presence we haven’t had since DJ. He can pass, he can shoot, he can rebound. It’s a huge deal.

    Mo is healthy. Watford another year of maturity. And if VO continues to develop he’s a starter.

    PG – Who knows? Verdell or JH depending on who has the shizz together.
    SG – A healthy Mo
    SF – VO
    PF – CWat
    PF – Zeller

    VIII, Will, Elston, AE, TP first off the bench.

  • IndyHoosier

    Athleticism is not the problem to those of you who think we arent athletic enough. It’s not debatable we are most athletic than PSU and still lost. It’s a lack of fundamentals, accountability, and necessary adjustments. Not blocking out, not defending at a high level and in some cases not defending at all, Crean cheering VJ for making a stupid pass, heat check 3s when you’re up one, terrible free throw shooting. It’s all over the board. AE and Zeller will help next year, and I guess that is where we are at, talking about next year now, but unless this team commits to getting better and playing better as a team DEFENSIVELY, it will matter little.

    I just watched PU shut down Michigan on a day when their shots werent falling and they did it with a TEAM EMPHASIS on defense.

    Just a really disappointing start to the conference sked. OSU 86 IU 54.

  • IndyHoosier

    Athleticism is not the problem to those of you who think we arent athletic enough. It’s not debatable we are most athletic than PSU and still lost. It’s a lack of fundamentals, accountability, and necessary adjustments. Not blocking out, not defending at a high level and in some cases not defending at all, Crean cheering VJ for making a stupid pass, heat check 3s when you’re up one, terrible free throw shooting. It’s all over the board. AE and Zeller will help next year, and I guess that is where we are at, talking about next year now, but unless this team commits to getting better and playing better as a team DEFENSIVELY, it will matter little.

    I just watched PU shut down Michigan on a day when their shots werent falling and they did it with a TEAM EMPHASIS on defense.

    Just a really disappointing start to the conference sked. OSU 86 IU 54.

  • Anonymous

    It is not a matter of athleticism, not health and not health, and it is not because we had an off night. Penn State should NEVER beat Indiana in Assembly Hall. Neither should Iowa. By now neither should Michigan, Northwestern, or even Minnesota. I am growing tired of hearing wait till 2012, 2013, 2014. It is time to finally see some results and win some games. If the same Indiana team that lost to Penn State shows up on the 31st, OSU will completely dismantle them. They may be competitive for 2 minutes, maybe 5, but eventually it will not be even close. I by no means expect a win against OSU, there are not many teams in the country that can say that. But the bottom line is this team is talented enough to hang close with any team in the country as long as we are in Assembly Hall. I am not going to point fingers at anyone even if some deserve it. Except I will point my finger at Victor Oladipo because he played outstanding and seemed to be our most complete player. Oladipo needs to be on the court more than anyone because at least he will show passion, heart, and all out effort no matter what the situation is. He is a true Indiana basketball player.

  • Anonymous

    I, for one, dont understand why Penn St, Iowa, Mich, NU or Minn should never beat IU at Assembly Hall at this point in time. Nor do i understand why this game was a game that IU was supposed to win. As the great Samuel Langhorn Clemens (Mark Twain) once wrote: There are 3 types of lies: Lies, Damned lies, and Statistics.” Its a fantastic saying and is very, very befitting of this team.

    This rebuilding is, and always has been, a long and bumpy road. There have been ample lows, some highs and a lot of swearing. That, for the foreseeable future, will continue be the way things unfold -atleast in my opinion.

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    I don’t know Mike? After opening the Big Ten season against PSU (just beat at home by Maine) with a 60 point outburst, are you sure this team is talented enough to score against good teams with this current offensive set?

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    How about this? I know it requires someone like Elston to go and I would hate to see that but how does this lineup look?

    PG – Amayo/Hulls
    SG – Creek/Hulls
    SF – VO/Watford/Sheehey
    PF – Zeller/Watford
    C/PF – Zeller/Chandler/TP

    I’m just throwing it out there! That team is much more athletic than the one listed above. I like Capo and I really like Elston, but if those two or Roth or TP transfers following this season then it opens the door for some more athletic bigs and guards! I hate to say it but maybe the one thing that Cali”payoff” does right is how he comes in and recruits tons of players his first year and then holds open tryouts to see who’s going to hold on to their scholarships?

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    I don’t know Indy? How many times last night did you see anyone besides Oladipo go up for a block or a high flying layup/dunk attempt?

    PSU blocked shots and we didn’t. They had a couple highlight reel breakout athletic dunks and we didn’t.

    I sort of disagree with you. I think this team does have “talent” but I don’t necessarily think they have “athleticism”.

  • MillaRed

    Ace you gotta let go of the Amayo possibility. I think its 15% at best. Elston isn’t going anywhere either. But I like your optimism.

  • IUSTL

    In team sports bigger- more talented- more athletic players beat smaller- less talented- less atheltic players. Coaching and expereice only can make up for so much. As much as we would like to believe this team has enough talent to win at a higher level… it is simply not true. If you watch other higher level BCS conference teams you would see that only CW could be a starter on maybe 60% to 70% of them. VJ3 would be a 6 -7 man to provide a couple of quick baskets then back to the bench before he could make too many mistakes, Elston would be the fifth frontline option. MO if health could be ok at this level, VO would be the project freshmen getting a few minutes in blowouts but the rest are 9-12 in the big ten. Except Pritchard and Capo- they should be in the Horizone league.

  • Diesel

    I agree. Amayo is still around and not ranked very high because he can’t shoot. I realize he is a big, penetrating guard, but the last thing we need is to continue to bring in players who are “incomplete” in their skill set.

    I also think people underestimate the impact Zeller will have, rebounding alone.

  • Diesel

    I agree. Amayo is still around and not ranked very high because he can’t shoot. I realize he is a big, penetrating guard, but the last thing we need is to continue to bring in players who are “incomplete” in their skill set.

    I also think people underestimate the impact Zeller will have, rebounding alone.

  • Diesel

    I’m with Ace. I agree with everything you say except the athleticism piece. PSU had 3 guys we couldn’t touch athletically. But the fundamentals, as you mention, have little to do with athleticism and those are the things keeping us from winning games.

  • Diesel

    I’m with Ace. I agree with everything you say except the athleticism piece. PSU had 3 guys we couldn’t touch athletically. But the fundamentals, as you mention, have little to do with athleticism and those are the things keeping us from winning games.

  • Diesel

    I agree with Bored. I’ve thought about this over the past day, is our program really at a place where we can make the statement that another B10 team should never win in Assembly Hall? I think we should win most of the games mentioned, but we are not were we can use the word “never”, but we will get back there.

  • Anonymous

    Indy…..Dont let facts get in the way of your point I guess.
    Purdue shot the lights out against Michigan, thats why they were able to win. Everytime Michigan got close, Purdue made two 3’s and it was comfortable again. Purdue did shut them down, but it was 19-3 when Michigans best player entered the game. They ran out of gas in the second half after a valiant comeback…sound familiar?
    Michigan is similar to our team. We have some athletic guys, but they are young(Vic, Will). We have some older guys who are being asked to do things they either aren’t ready for, or aren’t good at (Watford, Creek, Jones).
    The point is, we just werent realistic with our expectations. I want this team to win so bad, but we just cant show up and do it yet without an amazing performance. People dont walk into the hall anymore and fear us, they look at it as a game they can win (Penn St., Iowa) or a game they should win (Top tier Big Ten).

  • Anonymous

    At IU, not unless you’re talking about the round “football”

  • crimsonintheveins

    i hope so too, because it is obvious that some leadership is needed. if nothing else, it would help keep verdell jones on a tighter leash. forgive me for lashing out, but i am so sick of seeing verdell drive into the lane with nowhere to go and throw up some ridiculous double or triple-clutch crap shot. it’s not going in…and even if he is fouled, the free throw shots aren’t going in either. rivers has a great ability to get to the rim, and he seems to be the best passer on the team. with his efficiency at the line (polar opposite from last season), he should drive much more often. he is the player that can see the entire floor even while driving…unlike verdell. i like oladipo, hulls, and rivers at the guard spots best thus far. i am still waiting for creek to arrive where he left off last season…that will be a major blessing for the hoosier state!

  • HoosierNshaker

    CTC

  • Anonymous

    If I had not watched the actual game, and if you had begun your article with the following stats: IU hits 1 more FG, hits 1 more 3-point shot, shoots 45% from 3-point range, has 3 less TO, has 4 more A, and ties in steals with PN St, I would have wondered how the heck we lost the game! Of course IU was down 11 in made FT’s, down 4 in rebounds, and gave up 53.8% FG while hitting 42.6%. What is the problem? Lack of teamwork on defense, lack of teamwork on offense, lack of on court leadership, not making game winning plays when the outcome is in the balance. This team has NO identity, nothing that it can hang it’s hat on, like “lock down defenders”, like “big time rebounders”, like “lights
    out shooters”, like “clutch performers”. Basketball is a TEAM game! Indiana is NOT a TEAM yet.

  • Southport 65

    Three games ago it was how bad our guard play was but in the last 2 games the guards have played better. Jones actually hit 3-3 point baskets. He was shooting 26% on the year! Hulls is shooting more and we need even more.VO was great. It has came back to what I said at the start of the season we get killed by our lack of big players who can play. All 4 of them were horrible is this game. They don’t defend and when playing against players as big or with more length they can’t score. Our leading scorer has been terrible at both ends. He wanted to be moved to the 3 spot but he can’t defend that spot and Elston is worse when he tries to keep up with quicker players. Battle will always get his points for Penn State. He is just a great player. It was the other players in this game that killed us shooting from the wings and driving to the bucket. So what do we do? Well I think Coach is right we can’t play a normal lineup of PG<SG<SF<PF<C. So start 4 guards and small forwards and just one big guy. Start with CW,sub with DE, then the others. Start JH<VJ<VO<JR sub with MR<WS<MC.
    Play Zone,trap,pickup full court and pressure the ball. Everyone crash the boards and run. Make it uneasy for the other team to guard us because we are quicker and faster and their big guys can't keep up. Switch roles and do to them what they are killing us with. The other thing let Hulls play the point because of his shooting,assists and ball handling and move Jones to SG or SF and let him do what he does best shoot the 12-15 footer or lash to the goal when it's there. We can't win by staring 2 bigs.
    The other team may get some plays down low but they are getting them now! VO<WS and JR can jump and do a better job of blocking out. Then run their bigs up and down until they can't keep up and have to sub smaller less talented players to keep up. We have to try something different cause what we are doing is not working. Who knows some pine time might make these bigs see they have to play at a higher energy level. I know it is bold but Coach has mentioned doing it a few times. Now I am not sure it will help us against Ohio State but hang in there guys. There is a lot of basketball to be played. Don't give up on these guys! They are better than last year and the future is bright for our Hoosiers!

  • Southport 65

    Wow I don’t know what happened to the end of my post! sorry