Open Thread: Straight to the point

  • 12/02/2010 11:06 pm in

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The debate on who is, at this early juncture of the season, Indiana’s best option at point guard has been a healthy one over the past 24 hours in the comments here on Inside the Hall.

Keeping that topic in mind, we’ve decided to open things up with a dedicated thread to keep this discussion moving along.

There are several arguments to be made, but not an obvious, clear cut answer. We hope you’ll chime in with your thoughts.

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  • Anonymous

    Well obviously, VJ has been having some problems with his ball handling. I think it has become clear, especially with some of those smooth crossovers and other moves by Jordan Hulls last game that he is a better ball handler. The only problem is, we need him off the ball taking shots. Yet we cannot let VJ handle it too much because of his turnovers. So what is the solution? Simple. Run the motion offense. With all the cuts and screens and ball movement there does not need to be a primary ball handler. We just have to have someone that can get it up the court and make a pass. This will also give us opportunities for better shots. With this you make Pritchard into a screener off the ball as well as Rivers and especially Elston because one of the best ways to get open is by setting a screen and we know that Elston can score and provide energy.

    Also wanted to point out that there is an ad for the University of Kentucky on this site. Just seemed a little weird to me.

  • Anonymous

    You may be correct. Hulls would thrive a motion offense. Pritchard could set some strong picks.

  • Anonymous

    One way to look at the Kenutcky ad, it’s helping ITH continue being a free site for you and me. Thanks Kentucky, we appreciate the ad revenue.

  • Anonymous

    If Watford stays, I could envision 9-7 in conference and a 12 seed in the tournament next season. In 2012 we fight for the conference title.

  • Adam B

    I see what you’re saying, but when I first read your message it seemed like you were giving off the impression that we know more/are seeing things better than Crean.

    Thanks for clearing that up.

  • Anonymous

    I agree and I would give Rivers quality minutes behind Hulls as well. I still advocate for a pressure defense after a made shot. We could get some easy buckets and wear the other team down. I think we have enough depth to do that. It might negate our weakness by not allowing teams to get into an offense with adequate time to exploit us down low.

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  • HoosierNshaker

    I know everyone loves Hulls but he does present a mismatch opportunity for most teams on the defensive end. Whenever I see him on campus I question 6’0″ 175 everytime and he got burned against BC a few times.

  • Anonymous

    Crean can recruit, of that there is no doubt. We will discover his coaching abilities within the next few years with all the talent he will have to work with. Mike Davis was well paid but his coaching philosophy sort of sucked!

    If you are referring to VJ, any objective person can see that the other team gains momentum when he runs the point. My faith is based on empirical evidence (victories and banners) as well as my own experiences. I do believe that Crean will be an excellent coach at IU. But I will withhold judgement for a few more seasons.

    A characteristic of greatness is understanding your weakness and adapting to become stronger. It is called evolution. I hope coach is willing to change if the situation warrants it. Even Bob Knight changed his philosophy for Isiah.

  • I understand your point, but think it’s different for point guard. I would bet the vast majority of coaches would always prefer to have that one floor general that is a coach on the floor and runs the team, especially in college with past guys like Hurley, Cleaves, Jason Williams, Ty Lawson, Khalid El-Amin, Isiah Thomas, Steve Blake, etc.

    I know I played four years in high school and four in college and we always had a designated starting point guard who ran the offense.

  • Anonymous

    Did you see the crossover move he put on his man at the right elbow against BC? This kid improves every game. I agree he should be coming off screens more.

  • ArtistFormerlyKnownAs_Aceman07

    Nice point. If RMK can scrap the 4-5 passes philosophy and turn the reigns over to Zeke in 81 then I would think that CTC can adjust to the personnel he has on the team right now as well.

    Time will tell.

  • ArtistFormerlyKnownAs_Aceman07

    To counter myself, RMK also knew that team had the talent and depth to win a championship where this team obviously does not so the situations may be different. CTC may choose to continue teaching his system to the guys because some of them will obviously still play intricate roles once more talent arrives the next two years.

  • ArtistFormerlyKnownAs_Aceman07

    The difference between IU fans and most “emotional” fans is that we were all raised in a state where basketball is taught and valued a little differently. I think most of the posters on this site are looking at this from a neutral standpoint, leaving emotions out of the equation. I’m sure some are posting emotionally, but not most.

    Also, as long as Rivers shows some sort of offensive game (even if it’s just 2-3 drives a game that gets him to the line) then I’m fine with him playing more minutes if he continues to play the way he has. If he gets sucked back into any of last seasons vortexes (missed free throws, head down drives, wild shots, turnovers) then obviously that will change.

  • Anonymous

    Interesting, you are replying to yourself. A novel concept!

  • HoosierFromCT

    Can we just see what happens if VO plays 35+ min?

  • Mattrachel

    there are few on this team who’s defense isn’t killing us

  • Mattrachel

    CREAN WOULDN”T KNOW A SCREEN IF IT HIT HIM IN THE FACE> I LIKE CREAN BUT HIS DRIBBLE DRIVE IS NOT FOR OUR TYPE OF PLAYERS.

  • TrueCrimson

    It’s good to have Hulls and Jones as point. They are our points and a lot of this discussion is really moot. Crean plays them together even opening Hulls to be a shooter, and frankly I love a point guard being a thread because he often makes that one extra awesome pass.

    We sometimes run with a scoring point (Jones) and sometimes with a play making point (Hulls). The mixup is good, and there are no other options. Get use to it.

  • TrueCrimson

    It’s not bad for a point guard necessarily, except that Crean played Hulls on the low block in the Zone against BC. I *HATE* that. Our defense sucked, but part of it was coaching and game plan not player effort.

  • ArtistFormerlyKnownAs_Aceman07

    I often have interesting and valuable conversations with myself so I figured why be embarrassed about it! HA!

  • Anonymous

    Hulls. Everybody plays better when he runs the offense. Watford and Hulls need to be on the court at all times. The freshmen need some more PT, especially VO. Can’t wait for tomorrow’s game to see what kind of adjustment CTC will make in regards to PT.

  • bill

    no it really isn’t…………if you are talking about players blowing by him, then you want to add Watford, Creek and Verdell into the equation. At least Hulls knows positioning and takes charges. He also knows how to block out……..just saying

  • Anonymous

    Alex has said in the past that Google tracks certain words and how often they are used and then uses that information when it comes to advertising. That is one of the reason you see so many of us call them some, deservedly so mind you, unflattering names.

  • Anonymous

    Oops, should have read down a little bit further before giving you an answer you already had.

  • Anonymous

    Really wish someone would ask Crean to give us some insight into him doing that. It puzzles me about as much as anything he does as a coach.

  • RJG

    If you’re having trouble working and getting through the posts on here, you need to get your priorities straight–obviously you’re working too much. The work will be there later but the posts will get stale pretty quickly.

  • JamesHardy

    I know this…There is a PG in-state who would LOOK WONDERFUL running the show next year. He can go BOTH directions in the blink of an eye (all while being UNDER CONTROL) and despite being 5’9″ tall can flat out finish at the rim (with or without contact). He shoots like Jordan Hulls from the perimeter and can create his own shot at ANY time and makes his team mates better by attacking and drawing double teams. The sad part of this story is…NO ONE in the Big 10 offered this kid a scholarship because he’s only 5’9″. With that being said, CONGRATS to Nic Moore for hanging 50 pts on future Purdue player Raphael Davis from Fort Wayne South Side last night. Sure wish CTC and the staff would have done their homework on Nic…he would have been BEAST in Cream and Crimson.

  • Anonymous

    V.O. will have a huge game against uk, VJ3 will be undercontrol, Watford will play BIG ,Hulls will run the show with poise, Elston will have breakout game ,Creek will have a flashback from last year , call me crazy, but we BEAT uk , just sayin ,

  • Anonymous

    IU lacks a point guard who just plays mad a refuse to loose player, and i think that goes back to a team without a experienced senior , noone to step up

  • JamesHardy

    Well stated and great observations! Jordy is our best option at PG. He’s the one guy on the team with a HIGH basketball IQ that can set up his teammates for easy buckets.

  • JamesHardy

    I have to respectfully disagree with your assessment of the team. What is a “true” point guard?
    1. A facilitator: he looks to get the other 4 guys on the floor the easiest shot possible (HULLS)
    2. Floor general: I realize this isn’t quite evident yet, but as the year progress and CTC realizes what a gem he has, Mr. Hulls will be Bobby Hurley-like for this squad.
    3. A scorer when NEEDED: Mr. Hulls can shoot the rock with ANYONE in the country. I realize that he doesn’t have blazing blow-by speed, but in a team game like basketball, it’s actually okay for 2 of the 5 guys to set a screen for Mr. Hulls which puts pressure on the defense to stop Hulls or guard the screeners.

    Mo and VJ3 are pure scorers who play the game with a scorer’s mentality. I’m in no way saying that as a knock on those two. I’m just saying they are not “true” PGs. However, I do feel Jordy is a true PG. A young one who is rising to the occasion when called upon.