Indiana picked to finish 8th in Sun Times Big Ten poll

  • 10/28/2010 10:26 am in

INDIANAPOLIS - MARCH 12:  Head coach Tom Crean of the Indiana Hoosiers looks on agaisnt the Penn State Nittany Lions during the first round of the Big Ten Men's Basketball Tournament at Conseco Fieldhouse on March 12, 2009 in Indianapolis, Indiana.  (Photo by Jonathan Daniel/Getty Images)

As you saw in the previous post, the Big Ten only announces the media’s top three teams in its preseason rankings.

Herb Gould of The Chicago Sun-Times conducted his own poll, which includes one media representative from each school, for a complete rundown of the conference. There’s a shift in the top three when comparing the Sun Times poll to the official media poll.

The Sun Times poll has MSU-Ohio State-Illinois while the official media poll has MSU-Ohio State-Purdue. (The injury to Robbie Hummel likely dictated this shift.)

Here’s the complete Sun Times poll:

School, Pts., Last year

1. Michigan State (10) 120 T-1st

2. Ohio State (1) 110 T-1st

3. Illinois 90 5th

4. Purdue 88 T-1st

5. Wisconsin 77 4th

T-6. Minnesota 62 6th

T-6. Northwestern 62 T-7th

8. Indiana 44 T-9th

9. Penn State 32 11th

10. Michigan 28 T-7th

11. Iowa 11 T-9th

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  • Rgold

    8th would be somewhat dissapointing I think. I’d like to see us move above N’Westerrn and be on par with Minnesota this year.

  • Last year’s 8th-place finishers had 7 wins (there were several ties, but I counted the team that finished 8th from the top, which is the prediction here); if we duplicate that, that would give us about 16 wins on the season (9 non-conf), which would give us a .500 record. Absolutely attainable. Anything above that would be icing on the cake.

  • Marquisimo

    I believe Indiana finishes ahead of Northwestern and Minnesota…

  • GFDave

    To me what is important is to get the wins necessary to reach the NIT. Of course to some extent the wins and the placing go hand-in-hand, but the NIT is the tangible reward for current players and the recruiting tool for future players that we need to keep moving forward.

  • Baseball Montgomery Buc

    This poll is way off for me. First off, I don’t think Ohio St. beats out Purdue. There is too much drama going around the Michigan St. program right now to tell how they are going to be. IU will hopefully finish tied for 6th then win a game in the Big 10 tournament to lock in an NIT bid. As much as it pains me to say it, Illinois will take home the title this year.

  • JerryCT

    I have no real argument with this poll or with being an underdog and then hopefully over achieving. Can we get a chip on our shoulder and ride it to surprise wins over OSU, Minn, Wisky, IL ?

    PS : Given the Izzo proctologist pose previously pictured could we have been playing MSU when this pic of CTC was taken ? ………….. just wondering

    ……….sorry but its a slow day here in the Adirondacks

  • Anonymous

    Don’t forget Hummel’s knee, which probably gives Ohio State that nod.

  • Anonymous

    Looks like the chick in the bottom left corner may be undergoing the same procedure.

  • Anonymous

    That’s about where most of us saw them ending up when we made our predictions. I still think Northwestern could slip, moving IU up a slot–maybe I just have a hard time, given history, predicting Northwestern anywhere near a record that could qualify for the tournament—but I’d say anything above 7th is seriously exceeding reasonable expectations. 16 wins gets an NIT bid and more practice time.

  • Scott W.

    IU will finish 5th or 6th.

  • Anonymous

    I see where they are coming from with the poll. An 8th place finish would be a big improvement over last year and could very possibly be where we finish. In the eyes of the Big Ten this is realistic and a safe bet. Now with the Coble injury we should finish ahead of NW and may give Minnesota a run for their money too. And there is an outside shot that Purdue struggles enough without Hummel that they perform like the end of last season and are beatable too. So even though this is a fair but conservative projection a 6 or 7th place finish is more in line with where we should be, but then again this is from an optimistic Hoosier fan.

    There won’t be a great way to truly indicate the level of success we’ll have until we get several preseason games under our belt. Just too many factors with Mo and Roth back and the new faces, how the defense has improved, etc. We have the talent and potential to surprise anyone though. It’s going to be a fun ride!

  • Baseball Montgomery Buc

    Yeah I know, but Purdue will still finish higher than Ohio State. I do not like Deshaun Thomas, I watched him in high school and gave about 70% effort on the court. He just stood at the top of the key and asked for the ball and popped 3’s. Not a big fan of his.

  • Well, originally, I had hoped for .500 in the Big10 (9 wins) and then 10 wins in pre-conference play, but I’ve adjusted for [my own fan-biased] inflation, and I’m coming back down to earth a bit with 16. Whatever our record, we need to make the NIT.

  • stonaroni

    8th place is better than 11th. I truly think we will finish 6th this year. Two teams above us will be subpar this year and IU along with another team will be better than adverstised. Next season we will be top 3.

    On another note, I think Purdue is in some serious trouble this year. They have two solid weapons in Johnson and Moore. Someone else will step up and be solid out of dire need.

    I really like what IU has going for them this year. I like the Johnson/Watford match up. I like that Guy and DE will be there to defend the paint. I like the Creek/Moore match up. By the time they play in Jan, Mo will be back. What we lose in the Johnson and Moore match ups we will gain in VJIII’s offense. JR will add some stout D. Guy in the paint changes Johnson’s ability for easy buckets. None of their shooters are as good as ours.

    If CTC can force the tempo and push Johnson to the perimeter, I think we win 2 against Purdue this year.

    I think IU wins 9 in Big 10 play, go 11-2 pre Big 10 and win 1 game in the Big 10 tournament. 21 W’s for IU and we dance. 24 W’s in 2012 and 28 W’s in 2013.

  • Jwund

    Reality Check:

    January 4 at Minnesota 7:00 PM ET – L
    January 9 at Northwestern 7:00 PM ET – push
    January 15 Michigan 8:00 PM ET – W
    January 20 at Wisconsin 9:00 PM ET – L
    January 23 at Iowa 3:00 PM ET – push
    January 27 Illinois 9:00 PM ET – L
    January 30 at Michigan State 6:00 PM ET – L
    February 2 Minnesota 6:30 PM ET – push
    February 5 Iowa 4:00 PM ET – W
    February 8 at Purdue 7:00 PM ET – L
    February 12 at Michigan 4:00 PM ET – push
    February 19 Northwestern TBA – W
    February 23 Purdue 8:30 PM ET – push
    February 26 at Ohio State TBA – L
    March 2 Wisconsin TBA – L
    March 5 at Illinois – L

    I hope this represents the realistic possibilities for most games. Best case scenario in conference, then, is 8 wins. Worst case scenario, 3. I’d put my money on 6 wins. Winning two against Purdue this year is a huge stretch. Knight ain’t walking through that door…

  • @ Iowa = push? Really? Alex tweeted earlier today that they lost their best player indefinitely with a tendon tare.

    Home vs. Minn = push? We beat them last year and we’re a better team this year. If you’re going to put down the away game as an “L,” then I think the home game should be a “W” — or put both games as “push.” If @ Northwestern = push, then @ Minn should = push. I realize The Barn is a tough place to play, but I think there’s a reasonable shot that we win that game.

    @ Mich = push? Dude, they won’t even be as good as last year, whereas we are an improved team. W.

    And why did you leave out the December games? Penn State at home = W; OSU at home = L (but we’ll be competitive).

  • And what would Bob Knight walking through the door change about our win-loss record this year? His last six years at IU were nothing but disappointments (Pepperdine, anyone?). The dude is a legend, but the dude quit caring about working his tail off shortly after the ’94 season. I’ll take 2010 Tom Crean over 2000 Bob Knight.

  • Or 2010 Bob Knight for that matter…

  • Jwund

    1. Latest on Iowa is that Gatens will only be out 3 weeks. See below for the danger of mediocre teams playing bottom feeders away.

    2. Minn is better than they were last year. Much better. That may be a debatable point, but I think we’ll see it as the season goes along. They could finish anywhere from 2nd to 7th because of the talent they have, so if they put it all together then that is a likely loss. It’s a push because we don’t know yet.

    3. Bottom dwellers like Michigan get hyped and desperate for wins at home (see IUs win against Minni at IU), so that’s why that has to be a push.

    4. Sorry I left out Penn State – didn’t see it on the ESPN schedule I copied from. So yeah, I’d give that a likely W, but that leaves the ceiling at 9 wins, which as a previous poster mentioned is probably what it takes to get 8th place in the B10, especially this year when the bottom 3 will have hardly any wins against the top 7.

    5. the Bobby reference was specifically aimed at the Purdue games. Knight had more fire in his belly for beating Purdue than Crean will have for a long time. Don’t know if Crean has the brilliant basketball mind or motivational ability to get this team over the hump against a very talented and cohesive Purdue team that will be just as, if not more motivated to beat IU at IU.

  • Jwund

    1. Latest on Iowa is that Gatens will only be out 3 weeks. See below for the danger of mediocre teams playing bottom feeders away.

    2. Minn is better than they were last year. Much better. That may be a debatable point, but I think we’ll see it as the season goes along. They could finish anywhere from 2nd to 7th because of the talent they have, so if they put it all together then that is a likely loss. It’s a push because we don’t know yet.

    3. Bottom dwellers like Michigan get hyped and desperate for wins at home (see IUs win against Minni at IU), so that’s why that has to be a push.

    4. Sorry I left out Penn State – didn’t see it on the ESPN schedule I copied from. So yeah, I’d give that a likely W, but that leaves the ceiling at 9 wins, which as a previous poster mentioned is probably what it takes to get 8th place in the B10, especially this year when the bottom 3 will have hardly any wins against the top 7.

    5. the Bobby reference was specifically aimed at the Purdue games. Knight had more fire in his belly for beating Purdue than Crean will have for a long time. Don’t know if Crean has the brilliant basketball mind or motivational ability to get this team over the hump against a very talented and cohesive Purdue team that will be just as, if not more motivated to beat IU at IU.

  • 1. Iowa should be two wins for IU; anything less is failure.

    2. We’ll see; they’ve had all sorts of weird off-the-court issues up there.

    3. If you’re going to give bottom feeders a chance against IU, then shouldn’t IU have a chance to steal one from one of the upper echelon? IU will likely lose one game to someone they shouldn’t (Iowa, Michigan, Penn State), and they’ll take one game from someone they shouldn’t (OSU, PU, ILL).

    4. The official IU schedule is here if you’d like. You’re right 9 wins is a stretch — the absolute max (barring serious injury to significant players on upper echelon teams), but, at this point, I’m more likely to believe we’ll finish closer to 9 wins than 3 — so, in other words, I’m saying we’ll get more than 6 wins.

    5. Ah, ok. Bobby did love to beat him some Keady, but I think Crean understands the importance of beating IU on all the levels, and I certainly think he has the desire. I’m not sure how you can gauge someone’s internal desire to beat an external force without personally talking to both sources, but maybe I’m just a stickler for empirical evidence.

  • Outoftheloop

    1) MSU, 2) OSU, 3) WI, 4) Purdue, 5) IL (rumblings of a hot-seat), 6) IU, 7) Northwestern, 8) MN (more rumblings of a hot seat), 9) PSU, 10) MI (actual smoke from the hot seat), 11) Iowa. The top 6 go to the NCAA Tourney. IU record 10-3 preseason, 9-9 in the Big 10 (regular season 19-12), 1-1 in the Big 10 Tourney, 1-1 in the NCAA Tourney.

  • Outoftheloop

    Home Big 10 record 6-3 ( we win one of the two games at home against either IL or Purdue and lose to WI and OSU), road Big 10 record 3-6 ( we win one of the two road games against Mn or Northwestern and beat Iowa and MI) = 9-9.

  • Luersbasketball

    Guess I’m not a big fan of yours. You obviously did not watch him very often. Did you watch him while playing while he was injured? Maybe it was the game following him being treated for dehydration? Useless comment you made.

  • Jwund

    What does a “hot seat” have to do with anything? I would assume such a position would likely cause the team to be at their sharpest, especially in cases of teams with lots of talent in Minnesota and Illinois. So a better Minnesota team with a coach who is feeling the heat slips from 6th to 8th? Let’s not be so delusional. It’s great that’s your hope for the team, but would that be your position if a lot of money were on the line? If so, well…

  • Jsony

    Aren’t we forgetting something?…Nebraska

  • Dtfee

    I thought Mich. was suppose to be all this and they are 10th? I would hope IU is better than there rank here