2012 Recruiting Board: Post-Summer update

  • 09/14/2010 9:34 pm in

(Photo Credit: Jack Arent/adidas)

It’s been nearly two months since the last update of our 2012 Recruiting Board and a lot has changed in the final weeks of summer.

The Hoosiers picked up two commitments — Peter Jurkin and Ron Patterson. Guards D’Vauntes Smith-Rivera and Gary Harris narrowed their list of schools and IU made the cut for both. Yogi Ferrell (pictured) took an unofficial for IU football’s season opener. Hanner Perea transferred to LaPorte La Lumiere. Jeremy Hollowell named his leaders: IU and Ohio State.  Two recruits formerly on the board, Kenny Kaminski and Matt Costello, both committed to Michigan State. And Rivals and Scout both updated their rankings.

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  • Anonymous

    Gotta change that picture..Yogi looks like he’s just seen a Jurkin.

  • Anonymous

    Gotta change that picture..Yogi looks like he’s just seen a Jurkin.

  • ArtistFormerlyKnownAs_Aceman07

    2 more of any of these guys (besides Hammons – I don’t think IU needs him nor does he fit the system) and IU is back in the National Title hunt (especially if CZ commits as well).

    If Mo Creek sticks around you could see a starting lineup of something like:

    Creek, Yogi, Watford, Zeller, Jurkin with super subs like Elston, VO, Sheehey, Patterson, Etherington, Hulls, Capo, Harris or Hollowell or DSR.

    That’s a team that’s almost too deep! Someone would almost have to transfer, not because they weren’t good enough to get 20 minutes but because there just wouldn’t be that many minutes to spread around!

  • ArtistFormerlyKnownAs_Aceman07

    2 more of any of these guys (besides Hammons – I don’t think IU needs him nor does he fit the system) and IU is back in the National Title hunt (especially if CZ commits as well).

    If Mo Creek sticks around you could see a starting lineup of something like:

    Creek, Yogi, Watford, Zeller, Jurkin with super subs like Elston, VO, Sheehey, Patterson, Etherington, Hulls, Capo, Harris or Hollowell or DSR.

    That’s a team that’s almost too deep! Someone would almost have to transfer, not because they weren’t good enough to get 20 minutes but because there just wouldn’t be that many minutes to spread around!

  • Souther IN Hoosier

    That has been my conern. If all the guys we want end up signing, will they remain happy after their freshman because of lack of playing time. I think most those guys (espcially if Creek uses all his eligiblity) would make a bigger impact their sophmore year because they would see the bulk of the playing time at their positions. I guess this is a good problem to have espcially considering where we were not too long ago.

  • ArtistFormerlyKnownAs_Aceman07

    Yeah, maybe we’ve just forgotten what it’s like to have a deep team with a plethora or scorers? It’s obviously a much nicer potential problem to have than finding enough able bodies to fill a team.

    I figure with the potential 200 minutes a game that ten players could all get 20 minutes and definitely be effective during their time and I guess that’s not a bad problem to have especially for a team that wants to get up and down the floor so quickly. I’m just going to put my faith in Coach Crean because he certainly seems to have a plan and seems to know what he’s doing.

  • HoosNation

    I for one have posted some comments about Creans ability to recruit. Seeing these players having an interest in IU has made me think about how things have turned around. Im not sure if when McClain got here and sat down with TC and said “ok heres how this recruiting process works and these are the things you need to be conveying to these kids and their families” or if he just figured it out. Nonetheless, I can honestly say that i retract some of my statements and hope we have a staff that can translate the talent into college bball quality players. We are starting to fill the toolbox with the right tools, now it’s time to clock in and go to work men!!

  • LTTelamon

    …or perhaps the simpler explanation is that Crean knew how to recruit all along and it’s actually *gasp* hard to recruit to a program with zero talent remaining that is guaranteed to miss the NCAA Tournament, which is what he started with. I know people seem to think that you can wave your hand and create commitments just because “it’s Indiana”. That might even be true… for some 2 star players. If you want to recruit elite talent, though, your program has to be relatively on its feet and stable, and IU was nothing of the sort when Crean came in. Maybe instead of throwing Crean under the bus to begin with, folks could have chilled out, waited a couple years, and figured out that recruiting talent like this does not and cannot happen overnight.

  • Anonymous

    Kudos to you HoosNation for acknowledging you were wrong (potentially) about Crean’s recruiting capabilities. I give you credit.

    I’m sure that McClain has helped him some, but history suggests Crean already knew how to recruit (success in that area at Marquette) and it was just a matter of time before he got going here in Indiana. He was simply behind the 8-ball in a situation where relationship-building can make the difference. Even with that, look at last year’s freshman class, pretty impressive when you consider everything.

    And now that he’s recruiting for a historically Top 5 program with loads of in-state talent… one would expect he’ll find his groove in a big way.

    (hopefully the Top 5 reference will become ‘current’ again soon)

  • Plane1972

    Beautfully said, LTT.

  • Anonymous

    Where’s Perea in that scenario?

  • ArtistFormerlyKnownAs_Aceman07

    Well, that’s exactly what I mean. I forgot about him and there’s still enough talent to have a deep team. He’s definitely one I want and I’m sure IU wants bad so add him in there and the team is even deeper for years to come.

    I would rank my top three most desired recruits in this order: Zeller, Yogi, Perea.

  • ArtistFormerlyKnownAs_Aceman07

    “Top Five Program” – that’s a term thrown around a lot when referencing programs throughout history but you’d be hard pressed to argue the fact that IU is not a top five program all time when you think about the competition.

    I’d rank the top five like this:

    UCLA – I know a lot of there success was in a short period of time but it’s hard to argue with the 11 titles.
    Kentucky – Oh, man, it hurts so bad to even say this but it’s true.
    IU/UNC/Duke – All right there to round out the top five.

    I don’t think it’s a stretch to argue that IU is still ahead of those other two in terms of “all-time” top five programs although Duke and UNC have obviously experienced more success recently.

    You can also add Kansas (third in wins I think) and Syracuse in that mix but I don’t think either program is quite as storied or well loved as IU.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, you have 3 head coach quality guys on the staff. I know that is typical at this level, but it is a big deal to have Buckley, McClain and Crean on the same staff. We need to start winning this year, which I believe McClain will help with, and the recruiting will come around. For the record, I love that Ron Patterson commited so early to IU, it shows his love for the school. I think he could be a Cal Channey type player. He will surprise a lot of people, but he is a great player and he has that hunger.

  • Anonymous

    In my opinion the fact that he has signed, or got verbals out of, the players that he has speaks volumes about his recruiting. IMHO it also says that he is ahead of where I and many others thought he would be at this point in the rebuilding especially when one stops and remembers what and where his starting point was. When you stop and think that he has made a ton of progress with top flight players at a school that has still not proven on the court that they are a top flight program it makes the job he has done look even more impressive if you ask me.

    ” I’m telling you right now Tom Crean will have IU back to being one of the top bball programs in the nation sooner than anybody thinks he will.” Tom Izzo

    Not an exact quote but that was the general gist of what he said and he knows him maybe better than anybody else in college bball.

  • Anonymous

    I would think with the type of athletes on the team and on the recruiting list, frenetic pressing would be on the menu, and if that’s the case something similar to hockey line changes might be in order until you’ve just completely drained the opposition. If that’s the case, PT won’t be too much of an issue. I would think if you have any aspirations of getting on the floor you BETTER be able to guard someone, though.

  • Anonymous

    And, if the opponent has a beast of a player with an attrocious FT%….just foul away and make them earn it at the line. Who cares? We’ll have the depth!

  • millzy32

    Crean has some great targets coming up and the verbals that have been received are quite refreshing but we all know who the big fish is and it is for several reasons other than his play. CZ is a must get for IU on so many levels and most don’t even have to do with what he’ll do on the floor. Sure he may be quite good but if he’s anything like his two brothers he won’t exactly set the world on fire with his play but the fact that he’s an Indiana Mr. Basketball and IU’s top target means that IU needs to get him. The perception is that IU is down right now and that can be changed quickly by a CZ signing saying that IU is back especially with NC vying for his services and a brother already there. If we can sign him it means everything in recruiting. It means that IU has a hold on Indiana recruits again and the Duke, NC, MSU people need to back off Indiana and cherry pick recruits somewhere else. We need this guy more from a recruiting perspective than a playing perspective.

    That being said he is a heck of a player and will be solid for four years I am sure of that. He may even be better than his two older brothers and become a solid pro prospect as well but more than that we need him for what his signing means to the program. It means IU is back in the recruiting game and we should soon have to start turning away top players because we are out of room instead of vice versa.

  • millzy32

    PS I know I am off topic because he’s an 11 guy but I think he helps open the floodgates for 12 if he signs

  • Anonymous

    Honestly, it’s the fact that he’s getting 4-5 star players out of a 9 win season that surprises me, and it seems to be happening legally at the same time. It seems that you can never underestimate charisma and what it can convince people to do.

  • HoosNation

    Thanks eph. Im not too proud to admit when im wrong. It’s not hard since it doesn’t happen that often….. lol just kidding! I hope that we can continue to have high caliber, great character kids want to play for TC and this program and make these recent years a thing of the past. I’m looking at you CZ, YF, HP…….

  • HoosNation

    Thanks for the response LT. I agree with you about the situation our program was in and that there is no magical solution. My only question was about what his “pitch” consisted of. If the right techniques were being used to make these 4-5 star players feel like they could come right in, turn this program around and be a hero in BTown. I definately did not call for his head or roll over him with the Marion Community Schools bus. I hope that it didnt seem like I was a CreanHater, i was simply questioning how things turned around. I think everyone would agree that our W total the last 2 years doesn’t warrant big time athletes committing to IU. It has to be something other than proving we are a team that can win right now, bc 10 W last year isn’t evidence we are stable. We are on the right track for sure, nobody can deny that, and i am extremely excited and very optimistic of what the future holds for our Hoosier Nation!!!

    Indiana we’re all for you!

  • N71

    I know that the coaching staff cannot comment on players being recruited or that have given verbals but can the players? It sure would be interesting to hear what they have to say considering they’re playing pickup games with these guys when they visit Bloomington. A recruit by recruit breakdown by Mo for example would be something worth reading.

  • Anonymous

    This picture of Yogi just begs for people to do the, from the look on his face he must be thinking, he has just seen the, he just heard somebody say etc etc thing.

    My first thought was he has this look on his face because someone just informed him that he has waited too long and there were no more schollys available at IU or a bright shiny beam of light has just come streaming down from the sky and he is hearing you know who’s voice telling him to go forth and become the Hoosiers’ savior at the PG position.

  • Not something you will see happen.

  • Anonymous

    my first thought was he just met Jurkin in person;)

  • Anonymous

    my first thought was he just met Jurkin in person;)

  • Anonymous

    my first thought was he just met Jurkin in person;)

  • Anonymous

    my first thought was he just met Jurkin in person;)

  • Anonymous

    and is saying to himself HOLY CRAP !! I can’t go somewhere else and have to try and get to the rim against this guy. I’m gonna play with this guy and win a national championship.

  • Anonymous

    ever…..under CTC

  • Anonymous

    do you know if Yogi can dunk? Sports Center Top10…the AlleyOoop from Jurkin to Yogi. Didn’t see THAT coming!

  • Anonymous

    Don’t know if he can dunk but if PJ throws the alleyoop to him for one it will definitely make it onto Sports Center’s Top 10. That would be what I call great team chemistry.

    Maybe that should be the caption under the picture…man, oh man, I can’t believe I just threw it down on an alleyoop from the big guy instead of the me alleyooping it to him. Damn I’m having fun and I LOVE this team !!

  • Anonymous

    Don’t know if he can dunk but if PJ throws the alleyoop to him for one it will definitely make it onto Sports Center’s Top 10. That would be what I call great team chemistry.

    Maybe that should be the caption under the picture…man, oh man, I can’t believe I just threw it down on an alleyoop from the big guy instead of the me alleyooping it to him. Damn I’m having fun and I LOVE this team !!

  • Casey B.

    I agree with you on several points, as far as what his commitment could do for the program on many levels. But at the same time, Zeller’s whole recruitment is an unfortunate situation in which an absurd amount of pressure is being placed on Zeller to make the “right” choice, and on Crean to land him.

    In reality, I don’t believe Crean’s career hinges on Zeller committing to IU, just as I don’t believe IU’s success necessarily does. It’s all about the symbolism — which is too bad. Don’t get me wrong, a commitment would be huge, but the expectations placed on Crean to land him at all costs, at times, seem equally as overblown as the burden being placed on Cody to resurrect our program for us.

  • The_Hall_Monitor

    he can if the ball is coming off the rim or sum1 lobs it in front of
    he was doing it in warm ups b4 an aau game