Recruiting notes: Guerrero, Hollowell, Goff and more

  • 09/09/2010 7:58 pm in

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+ Dustin Dopirak of The Herald-Times writes that Indiana is targeting 2011 California point guard Cezar Guerrero (pictured), a 6-foot point guard from Bellflower, California. The H-T also posted a mixtape of Guerrero. Korman is gone for a few weeks and now Dustin and Hugh Kellenberger are on a mixtape binge.

+ Jody Demling of The Louisville Courier-Journal noted that Tom Crean would be checking in with Hutchinson (KS) Community College forward Robert Goff this afternoon. Today was the first day of a four-week open contact period.

+ ESPN updated its rankings for 2012 and several players with IU interest are in the top 60. Gary Harris is No. 16, Yogi Ferrell is No. 21, D’Vauntes Smith-Rivera is No. 28, Hanner Perea is No. 42 and Jeremy Hollowell is No. 52. Commit Peter Jurkin is rated No. 53.

+ Hollowell will visit Indiana on September 18 according to Kyle Neddenriep of The Indianapolis Star. The Lawrence Central forward recently sprained his ankle and will be on crutches for two weeks.

+ Excellent piece by our friend Pat Forde of ESPN.com on the Plumlee and Zeller families.

+ Evan Daniels of Scout.com reported that Smith-Rivera is down to six schools: Georgetown, Indiana, Miami (FL), Ohio State, Wake Forest and Xavier. The Musketeers were the only school to check in with Smith-Rivera on the first day of the contact period.

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  • Diesel

    I think George Leach was 6’11” and he could do all those things……oh wait….

  • Fifefan

    What seems crazy to me is the fact that some people are looking a few years down the road, and assuming some of these kids are going to be starters right off the bat. I would hope to see upper classmen getting the majority of the minutes as we go forward. I would hope that we could keep and develop some of these guys, and that rarely would there be a freshman that would come in and start. For instance, I would like to see CTC bring in a kid like Guerrero, and I would hope that after having a year under his belt, that Yogi would have a hard time beating him out. Maybe that is wishful thinking, but seems to me to be the way it should work. Obviously, there will be discrepancies in talent, and I am all for having more talented kids, but in a perfect world, experience in the Big 10 should have a big impact on some of these players. Just food for thought.

  • Outoftheloop

    But we absolutely CAN NOT GET BJ! So the question is NOT “whom would you rather have?” The question is “do you want to use a scholarship on Guerrero for 2011?”

  • Outoftheloop

    Why do you think that Yogi is close to declaring for IU?

  • Outoftheloop

    You will see Verdell Jones playing a lot of point guard for IU this season.

  • Yogi Kelin Zeller

    Crean was here in Indy watching a basketball player playing football. Gary Harris may be a yogi type high priority.

  • Outoftheloop

    Come on Aceman you know why you have not seen the great HS moves out of VJ in his 2 years at IU. He is now going against really good college defensive players! For the last 2 years he had very few college level scorers on his team to take some pressure and defensive attention off of him. This season he has real experience, he is more mature, he is stronger, he has a more developed game AND he has Mo Creek, Christian Watford, Derek Elston, Jordy Hulls, and Guy on his team. We should see the real VJ this year, and he was pretty good each of the last 2 years!

  • Outoftheloop

    I am NOT with you on this. We have plenty of talent to win 20 this year. But, of course, I want Yogi and Cody at IU! Because I want to hang a banner, not just win 20 games! I think that if Coach Crean plays Rivers, Vic and Will together for 15 minutes each game as a group attacking and pressuring on defense and running and attacking on offense, you will see IU become something special this season. I like our top 6 of Creek, Watford, Elston, Jones, Guy and Hulls. I like having Capo and Pritchard to come in with 10 fouls and strength in the paint. I like having Roth for 3 point sharpshooting with Creek and Hulls. I am not in favor of showing any of these guys the “door” until they have proved that they CANNOT do the job after this season is over, not before it!

  • Outoftheloop

    Unless our guards play passive on defense, don’t fly for rebounds, don’t take charges, don’t dive on the floor for loose balls and don’t get in the opponents faces with toughness. Two minutes of Danny Moore busting his butt nose to nose with anyone the opponent has on the court is a great lesson for more talented but hesitant players. Hopefully, IU will not need that lesson more than once or twice this season.

  • Outoftheloop

    Why do you think that his recruiting is “confusing”? He is going after great players anywhere and any time he can find them, and he is going after players that he feels he can make into a great team whenever they say that they get “because it is Indiana”. That makes sense to me.

  • Outoftheloop

    It is not clear at all that IU made an UNCONDITIONAL offer to BJ Young! What it looks like is we made it clear that we wanted him to play at IU, but we clearly stated that he could not attend IU until his HS academics improved and his SAT scores were higher, Arkansas said to him, much as KY and Memphis routinely say, we can get you in, no problem, so sign up now! BJ took the bird in the hand. He may get blind sided by the NCAA eligibility standards next August. It might work out well for him, especially if he can exit in one year for the Pros.

  • Outoftheloop

    I assume that that is IRONIC!

  • Outoftheloop

    Izzo got a lot of mileage out of Neitzel! But for Hoosiers we would compare him to Fife, Coverdale, etc. Is the kid that tough? He might be worth the effort if he is.

  • Outoftheloop

    That is a great question. Unfortunately it has no answer. We just do not know what the Coach has said to the recruit, if there are any conditions, if there is any priority, if there is any time frame for an answer, etc. It is very rare to have a recruit say “I am going to Indiana” who then has to backtrack and say “never mind”. But that is exactly what happened with David Williams-does anyone know if he is playing college ball now?

  • Outoftheloop

    Senior year, not junior year. Or during the spring signing period. Or during the summer before enrolling in school.

  • Outoftheloop

    If IU IS the BEST in the Big 10, then we should make the Final Four!

  • Outoftheloop

    Not “possibly” but “definitely” either Zeller (FR) or Goff (JUCO JR) or both.

  • Outoftheloop

    Great story. His morning, i.e. 5-6 AM practices were legendary.

  • Outoftheloop

    Great story. His morning, i.e. 5-6 AM practices were legendary.

  • Outoftheloop

    That was a movie! Matt Nover did not know anything about farming. But he did like the girls in LA that he got after the movie!

  • Outoftheloop

    That was a movie! Matt Nover did not know anything about farming. But he did like the girls in LA that he got after the movie!

  • Outoftheloop

    Duct tape works every time!

  • Outoftheloop

    Duct tape works every time!

  • Outoftheloop

    Did anyone else notice that Josh Selby has not been declared eligible at Kansas yet?

  • MillaRed

    Not gonna argue with you on that one Loop 😉

  • Outoftheloop

    Then why doesn’t he verbally commit to IU? I am pretty sure that he has an offer with no conditions. Ask him to pull the trigger. That is all it takes. He can call Ron Patterson to get the right words to use-“I love Indiana…etc.”.

  • Anonymous

    I believe he is a UNC-Greensboro Spartan.

  • Outoftheloop

    I am interested, did he start at OK St? Did he make the Big 12 all Freshman team? Was he Freshman of the year? Was he All Big 12 or honorable mention? What state did he play HS ball in? What are his realistic chances of playing in the NBA? Does he want to play in Europe? Does he want a successful career outside of basketball in the future. Ky is the only state outside of IN where a good person, who played basketball for 4 years at U KY or IU, who graduated, is absolutely guaranteed a good life if they don’t break the law, and are not complete jerks, and live in that state! (and many jerks have great lives) Banks, insurance companies, sales organizations, governmental and educational organizations, etc. absolutely love to hire and to promote these lucky guys. In OK that privilege is reserved for football players. When you are 30, playing time your first year in college if you are not an NBA type of talent, and there are only 50 each year who are, is just not that big of a deal! But, of course, no 18 year old recruit can know and appreciate that.

  • Anonymous

    If he can be the man at PG that would be the best possible scenario, but he’ll have to improve greatly over his previous time at the point. He’s already shown an ability to get into the lane; at 6’5″ he can see over most defenders; he is already a team leader; he’s a pretty solid free throw shooter. I just know in the past when he’s been put at that spot he’s had a tendency to turn the ball over way too much. If he can cut down on his turnovers he has a legitimate shot at the NBA with his size. I hope you’re right and I hope he’s successful, because he’s absolutely one of the best five players on the roster, he’s just currently one of the guys at the deepest spot on the team.

  • Anonymous

    There have been tons of 6’11” guys who floundered as college basketball players, but I think Leach may have been the most physically gifted of all of them. When you watched his athletic ability you were just dumbfounded that he couldn’t do more with it.

  • Anonymous

    Coverdale played point guard like a fullback!

  • Anonymous

    Coverdale played point guard like a fullback!

  • Anonymous

    Better yet if he lets Lynch offer the scholarship!

  • Anonymous

    Better yet if he lets Lynch offer the scholarship!

  • Outoftheloop

    I think that I disagree with you. What you say sounds good. But it is not REAL! If DSR can go to IU if he wants to, and decides to go to Xavier instead, then 90% plus of basketball fans in the State of Indiana will have zero interest in him from that point on! Now if he really shows great character and does well in the NBA, sure, then I will follow and support him a little, but not much. George Hill, IU did not offer him, he has no negatives, I like him and folllow his career. When he comes back to the state he will be a hero. Oden and Connley, IU was not a good place to go when they were recruits, but I still do not care about their career’s in the NBA. I would not pay for a ticket to one of their games. DJ White, I love and follow his career carefully, and when it is over I would do all that I could to help him in business, etc. Robert Vaden, he left IU, and I left any interest in him at the same time. He is nothing to me as a basketball fan now or in the future. So DSR will be throwing away the good wishes and affections of most Hoosier basketball fans if he selects Xavier over IU for his college choice. I will not like him. I will not hate him. I will just be completely indifferent, with a little resentment against him. If IU does not really offer him a scholarship, then, of course, that is not his fault. It might well be our mistake!

  • Outoftheloop

    I think that I disagree with you. What you say sounds good. But it is not REAL! If DSR can go to IU if he wants to, and decides to go to Xavier instead, then 90% plus of basketball fans in the State of Indiana will have zero interest in him from that point on! Now if he really shows great character and does well in the NBA, sure, then I will follow and support him a little, but not much. George Hill, IU did not offer him, he has no negatives, I like him and folllow his career. When he comes back to the state he will be a hero. Oden and Connley, IU was not a good place to go when they were recruits, but I still do not care about their career’s in the NBA. I would not pay for a ticket to one of their games. DJ White, I love and follow his career carefully, and when it is over I would do all that I could to help him in business, etc. Robert Vaden, he left IU, and I left any interest in him at the same time. He is nothing to me as a basketball fan now or in the future. So DSR will be throwing away the good wishes and affections of most Hoosier basketball fans if he selects Xavier over IU for his college choice. I will not like him. I will not hate him. I will just be completely indifferent, with a little resentment against him. If IU does not really offer him a scholarship, then, of course, that is not his fault. It might well be our mistake!

  • Outoftheloop

    I don’t think so. Jordan Crawford really stood out at IU as a Freshman on a team ranked in the top 10. Armon Bassett also stood out at IU. It is ridiculous to think that if you are a great talent, NBA worthy, that you would not develop and be recognized at IU but you would be at Xavier. That is nuts!

  • N71

    If you look at his twitter page you could conclude that he and Cody have a good relationship. This then could mean they have some interest in playing college ball together, as they seem to be VERY effective in AAU. Then finally if you look at what school is in on both of them, IU is front and center. Then you consider the California kid and the pressure this may be causing. Just reading the tea leaves, nothing solid on this end though, but it didn’t seem to be much of a leap.

  • marsh21

    I understand what the question is but we’ve been discussing IF we need a PG for the 2011 class. Unless we can get an top talent like a BJ I would pass on signing a PG for the class as we have two points on the team. It takes a lot of time to build relationships with these kids and using a shot gun approach for a kid across the country might not work and just waste their valuable time. So to answer your question I would NOT use the scholarship for Guerrero for 11.

  • Anonymous

    Wait…Greg Oden has an NBA career?

  • Anonymous

    Maybe he had been taking “advice” from the same “adviser” that Enes Kanter has been taking his from.

  • Dmglotz

    i wish JR had at least average offensive ability because he can bring a lot of value to the team on the defensive side

  • Outoftheloop

    Thanks.

  • Outoftheloop

    Thanks.

  • Outoftheloop

    Thanks Red.

  • Outoftheloop

    As to Greg Oden, I misspoke Marcus, he has NBA money, not an NBA career. But lots of the green!

  • Anonymous

    I wish I had more explanation behind it, but I really think IU would be one of his best options for football and basketball if he chose to go that route. Gary Harris would be a HUGE pick up!!