Around the Hall: Friday, August 20

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Aug. 18, 2010 - Madrid, C. A. de Madrid, Spain - MADRID, 18/08/2010.- US national basketball team player Eric Gordon, during the trainning session held by the team at the Caja Magica pavillion in Madrid, Spain, 18 August 2010, ahead of their Madrid Tournament matches against Lithuania and Spain the upcoming weekend.Around the Hall is recommended reading from the Inside the Hall crew. So go ahead, get your read on.

+ Stephen Curry is hoping for a quick recovery from an ankle sprain, but missed Team USA’s practice on Thursday. Curry, Eric Gordon and Russell Westbrook are reportedly competing for the final spot on the world championship roster.

+ The NCAA’s new President, Mark Emmert, isn’t a fan of the one-and-done rule and would prefer the baseball model.

+ Matt Snyder weighs-in with a Big Ten edition of summer session over at FanHouse. Maurice Creek and Guy Marc-Michel are mentioned.

+ ESPN updated their Super 60 rankings for the class of 2012.

+ Northwestern guard Michael Thompson is hoping forward Kevin Coble will return to the program, writes Teddy Greenstein of The Chicago Tribune.

+ Our friends at UMHoops have been all over preparation from Michigan’s upcoming trip to Europe, including video interviews with players and practice footage.

+ According to this tweet, Cincinnati guard and former IU target Aaron Thomas has a top five of Cincinnati, Clemson, Florida State, Nebraska and Purdue. Brian Snow of Rivals has more on Thomas’ list.

+ Former IU forward Lance Stemler will host a basketball clinic at Nolan Fieldhouse in Sellersburg, Indiana on Saturday, August 28.

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  • Anonymous

    Don’t get me wrong I’m not saying TP is my first choice at the 5 and I hope Mo is ready to go from the start but I would swap him easing back in to going full throttle in an actual game for him doing too much too soon and missing at least part of the season / conference games. I was just factoring in that Crean has said that TP is working a whole lot harder this off season, which may not be saying a whole lot, and me thinking Guy may need at least a little bit of adjustment time. I guess I should have put that that was my best guess for the start of the season. I know Crean said he told Guy to come in compete for a starting position and I hope Guy is ready to start right off the bat too but I will be pleasantly surprised if he does right off the bat. I would personally like for Capo to start over TP but Crean seems to like to bring him in off the bench for some reason.

    Hopefully there is going to be such a big difference in so many players’ game that it will be anybody’s guess who it will be but that is a big part of what makes all the speculating and discussion so much fun.

    It will be interesting to see if Crean goes with more of an attacking style of defense this year. If he doesn’t something tells me, “why not ” will be one of the first questions from the media and fans. I’m with you on the whole attack and attack some more and not wasting ammo taking prisoners.

  • millared

    The signing of Guy may be the best thing IU could possibly do to see what TP is bringing to the table. TP is not a defensive presence in the paint nor a rebounder. Enter Guy.

    If Guy doesn’t motivate him then I would have to say nothing will. Perhaps his freshman year was an enigma but I really don’t buy that sort of thing.

    I’m rooting for TP as much as anyone. But I just don’t see him in the starting five. Honestly, I don’t see him ahead of Capo either. Please prove me wrong Tommy.

  • Anonymous

    Couldn’t agree more, TP has every reason to show us the best he has and has more than one or two things that should motivate him to be the best he can be to borrow a line. This is make or break time for him. If it’s break, and I hope it’s not, then he may be the one that helps the scholly siuation work itself out. But then again he will be a senior and will he want to transfer with only one year left ? Probably not but hell who knows at this point it’s anybodys’ guess and until the season gets underway that is all it is is a guess.

    Things are changing on alot of fronts with IU bball, and for the good, but one of the things that seem not to have changed is that there is still alot of questions to be answered about the upcoming season.

    Can’t wait to get out the foam IU brick, pop open a cold one, and start doing some recliner coaching.

  • IU_Fan_99

    I know! All this speculation and hype is nuts…

  • Anonymous

    Give him to Lynch–maybe he can play some free safety

  • Anonymous

    Given how rarely you see ANYTHING negative come out of CTC’s mouth, I’d say this goes one of two ways—either a.) Rivers was every bit the turd we all thought he was during the season, or b.) this is a motivational tool to JR to do everything he can to reach the potential everyone had for him when he first got here.

  • Young Kelin Zeller

    I can’t wait to watch a full game this year….and not shut down at the half or shortly there after. I am tired of watching the game, leaving to go cut the grass, then coming back in and listen to fish and a depressed head coach.

  • Uncle Joey

    Bobby C said that.

  • Anonymous

    If Mo and Guy can play 5-25 min during the course of the game, then they can play the first 5 minutes as the starters. They make us a vastly improved starting team over last year’s starting group because everyone will now be playing their natural position: Elston at 4, Watford at 3, Creek at 2. Think of the defensive pressure that is removed from Jones with Creek, Watford and Elston all showing their great offensive skills. Who can focus on Verdell with those guys on the court? Big Guy just has to do the job in the middle, and Pritchard and Capo have to bring it hard when they come in. I personally think that other teams will hate to see Jeremiah, Vic and Will come in to energize the game. It will be like 3 fresh, taller, more athletic, Kramer’s entering the game knowing that they have to disrupt and destroy. The other two players you put with them afford a big assortment of options for the specific opponent. But 15 minutes of all-out running and attacking, when you thought that you were playing hard before, should test any team. It is really important for IU to start out fast with victories not loses in the non-conference season. We should expect to beat Boston College (new coach, first year), to win the Las Vegas Tourney (New Mexico), and only to lose at KY in Lexington. An 11-1 start would be awesome! Then 8-8, or better, in the Big 10, good for 6th place, and the NCAA is a real possibility. It is time for big goals.

  • Geometer

    What would you think about starting with JR, Will, Vic, Elston, and Guy to harass the opponents for 5 minutes then bringing in Mo, VJ, CW, capo, and Tom together to take advantage of the opponents, sub as necessary and then repeat in the second half?

  • After we reach the Sweet Sixteen in 2012, I can’t imagine what kind of floodgates will open for top recruits. By that point, players will be waiting on us to offer!

  • c) all of the above.

  • We do! So maybe start him and then give him a breather after the first TV timeout. I’ve never had that specific injury before, but I don’t think we can expect to see the same Mo from last season until January.

  • Your lineup is the one we’ll have by B10 play, but I think Mike’s got it right to start the season.

  • 11-1 would be nirvana. It would erase some of the pain from the past 2 seasons. And think of all the positive buzz that would create: “IU has already won more games this season than they did all of last season.” That kind of confidence going into B10 play would help us reach 8-8.

  • I can’t wait to not worry about trying to avoid watching an IU game! “I better schedule a dentist appointment for 7:00 on Tuesday night because we’re playing Wisconsin at Wisconsin and we’re gonna get murdered.” None of that this year!!!

  • Scott W.

    Where do you live to cut grass during a basketball game ???

  • Anonymous

    I prefer to start your best 5. Everyone tries to start the game at a high tempo. After 10 minutes come in with the energy guys and really go on both ends of the court. I am also not sure that Guy is one you want in with the high speed game. I like Elston and Watford, but they will need some rest at some point in the game.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, when we go to the energy 3 of Jeremiah, Vic and Will we can rest Mo.

  • Anonymous

    No, we have to get out of the gate fast with excitement and wins! If you start Pritchard and JR I will be VERY much less excited. If you lose starting that group I will be VERY upset.

  • I don’t see anybody clamoring to start JR, so not sure where that came from — definitely not me! JR comes off the bench, for sure.

  • Anonymous

    You are correct, my mistake as to JR. But I stick to my guns on Pritchard. It would be great if Pritchard plays outstanding basketball and earns a starting spot. But it will be very disappointing if he starts over Guy in the beginning.

  • I know you want “excitement” out of the box, but since we are still a young team, it might be nice to have two upperclassmen on the floor to start the game (VJ3 and TP). I’m not saying I want Tom to be the mainstay of our offense, but if he has regained the form he had during his frosh year, then I’m fine with him starting until Guy has fully adjusted to D-1 play. If, however, Guy is already ready for D-1 play, then by all means, start him instead of TP.

  • Anonymous

    Scott W asked you where you live that you would go out and cut grass during a bball game and I have to say that some of the games the last two years made me want to go out and mow the freakin’ concrete if it meant not seeing my beloved Hoosiers struggle so badly. Reminded me of having to watch someone that I love deeply go through something very painful and knowing the whole time even if you could stop it you couldn’t because that was the way it had to be to make things better in the long run.

  • Anonymous

    No to TP. Yes to Guy.

  • Anonymous

    Root canal or IU at Wisky last year. Make the call to the dentist then you could have gotten the pain meds and you could have used them for the next type of game. If I had done that last year it would have been just my luck that the dentist would have had the game on with the volume turned way up so he could hear it over the grinding of the drill. Wonder how Crean dealt with it. The money cannot make up for something like that completely with someone as hyper and competitive as Crean is.

    The only other scenario that I can think of that would have been worse would have been if I had done that to avoid the pUKe game and he had that game on and then found out the dentist was a pussy cat fan on top of that. Would probably have jumped out of the chair and ran out of the office with drool running down the numb side of my face. Heck I would rather perform the root canal myself than sit through that situation or a person could have just killed the pUKe fan dentist (just joking lest someone take me serious) and then find a judge and jury that went to IU. I’m sure they would understand completely. Probably call it a mercy killing and say it was what was in the best interest of all of his female cousins. LOL

  • Anonymous

    Root canal or IU at Wisky last year. Make the call to the dentist then you could have gotten the pain meds and you could have used them for the next type of game. If I had done that last year it would have been just my luck that the dentist would have had the game on with the volume turned way up so he could hear it over the grinding of the drill. Wonder how Crean dealt with it. The money cannot make up for something like that completely with someone as hyper and competitive as Crean is.

    The only other scenario that I can think of that would have been worse would have been if I had done that to avoid the pUKe game and he had that game on and then found out the dentist was a pussy cat fan on top of that. Would probably have jumped out of the chair and ran out of the office with drool running down the numb side of my face. Heck I would rather perform the root canal myself than sit through that situation or a person could have just killed the pUKe fan dentist (just joking lest someone take me serious) and then find a judge and jury that went to IU. I’m sure they would understand completely. Probably call it a mercy killing and say it was what was in the best interest of all of his female cousins. LOL

  • Anonymous

    ” Don’t have patience have perspective ” Tom Crean from one of his first post game interviews. Thought that was a really good way of putting it ever since the first time I heard him say it. I don’t think Crean would have brought in Guy if he thought he couldn’t help early his first season. The question is how early and how much. Here’s to hoping it is at the start of the season. Also I’m not trying to say that you don’t have perspective I just thought that was a really good way of saying how we need to view the last two gut wrenching years and possibly this year somewhat.

    Think maybe we learn how much McClain helps us when we see how much Guy helps us and if he does how early he helps us. Crean seems to have pretty much went on McClain’s gut feeling on Guy.

    Whew I sure am glad the season starts tomorrow…..Mike wake up…..Mike wake up

  • Anonymous

    I love Yogi’s game and I want him at IU big time. But if he plays the coy game of “how bad do you want me” with IU, sort of like J Davis did, then he just might miss the “buss” leaving Bloomington and heading to the NCAA promised land. If Hollowell commits, that leaves only one scholarship open, as IU will hold one for Zeller in 2011 and one for Perea in 2012. If DSR or Harris or one of the others acts before Yogi acts, he could be left outside looking in. Come on Yogi, we love you. Be smart. Commit now.

  • ArtistFormerlyKnownAs_Aceman07

    I just read where Blake Griffin is practicing at 100% for the Clippers and if that’s the case then we should be able to expect Mo Creek to be close to the same somewhere towards the middle of practices, right. My thinking is that Griffin fractured his patella right at the end of October and he’s back now 100%. Didn’t Mo Creek get hurt right at the end of December??? If that’s the case then logically he would be about two months behind Griffin and the article said he was back at 100% at the end of June. That would put Creek getting close to ready right now and so another month or so and he should be good to go, just judging on a very similar case that happened in a similar way.

  • ArtistFormerlyKnownAs_Aceman07

    I would think given CTC’s propensity for starting three guards that if Creek is healthy (see my logical time line posted in response to Outoftheloop above) then we could even see a starting lineup of Creek/Hulls/VJ3/Watford/Guy.

    I know I don’t like that lineup much either because it technically puts Watford at the 4 but it really doesn’t since Guy can sort of clog the middle and take up the 4 and 5 spots all by himself and serve as the “dump off” guy when the guards do get into the lane. I can really see this lineup on the floor to start a game because Crean likes guards, or seems to.

    I’d be happier with VJ3/Creek/Watford/Elston/Guy but I’m not sure that provides enough ball-handlers. It may end up being necessary to have the three guards play together if teams hound and press us like they did the second half of last season.

    But even if Jordy comes off the bench it’s a very good situation to have a talented point guard who sees the floor so well as your sixth man, not to mention the guys there behind him ready to get in the game. Depth, or the lack of it, shouldn’t be the main problem it’s been the past couple years.

    Also, once again, I’m very excited to see what this team can do now that it’s technically an experienced team (when compared to the past two years) since there are more returning players than newcomers. Not to mention the whole “players make their greatest leaps between their freshman and sophomore years” thing.

  • Anonymous

    We do have a lot of time before Hoosier Hysteria, let alone the first tip-off.

  • Anonymous

    I hope so.

  • JerryCT

    I believe we have discussed a long time ago on ITH the exact concepts CTC mentions in his interview:

    1. JR fastest w the ball
    2. Best defender and rebounder
    3. No need to ID a point guard when 4 players in his half court sets are ball handlers/passers
    4. JR and pressure do not mix well
    5. Alot of players at the same position mean everybody fights for minutes incl Hulls

    I think coach is right on every point

  • Anonymous

    I’ve kind of had the feeling all along that he should basically be healed by the beginning of the season. I’m all for bringing him along slowly, but I think it’s going to be more an issue of getting the muscles of that leg back into shape and trusting the knee than it will the injury itself. I’ve always heard that a broken bone is generally stronger after it heals than it was before was broken.

    I’m not a doctor, but I play one on the internet.

  • Anonymous

    I still think the crux of Rivers problem is his shooting. It affects every aspect of his offensive game. There have been fantastic point guards who were less than spectacular shooters (Bucker, Rondo, etc,) but they had the ability to know when/where to stop–JR doesn’t. Other teams virtually bait him into turnovers by laying off of him and almost forcing him to drive. He doesn’t pull up in time because he knows he won’t make the shot and the help defense waits until the last possible second because they know it too. Then he’s either forced to throw up a wild shot or a wild pass.

    I hope he’s spent his off-season shooting nothing but 7-15 footers off the dribble. I don’t care if he can shoot from outside the FT line or not, because the combination of other teams sagging off of him and his speed can get him into the lane just about any time he wants to do so. If he starts knocking down that shot the help D will be forced to pick him up sooner and guys like Elston, Pritchard, Capo, Michel, etc, are going to benefit like crazy. If Rivers had VJIII’s mid-range (or if VJIII had Rivers’ body,) he’d be a monster.

  • Anonymous

    And that is a good thing cause while we may disagree about who will actually be the starters at the beginning of the season I think, for the most part anyway, we all know our best chance of a big turnaround this season can best be increased if Mo is ready to go 100 %, more or less, right out of the gate and if Guy has made the adjustment to Div 1 speed by the time the season starts.

  • Anonymous

    Agreed.

  • Young Kelin Zeller

    I am usually very optimistic, but I honestly think JR did not do what you said and I said he should have done this off season…..work on his shooting. The reason I don’t think he did that….he had a FULL YEAR after transferring to work on that and F/T’s and he didn’t do it. I hope like hell I am wrong but there is nothing he has shown me otherwise. The mechanics of his shot is bad.

    As a former coach, it was so so hard for me to hide the kids I had who could not shoot….especially a point guard. As an 39yr old pick up basketball player who plays little defense….I will always identify the other 39yr old guy who can’ t shoot and guard him…it makes my D look like Joe Dumars….or as the kids say…”self check”.

  • Diesel

    Any news on the Gary Harris visit?

  • Anonymous

    I was also wondering if there was anything floating around out there about how his visit went myself. Might he be the next commit ? It’s not something that I would feel bad about.

  • Anonymous

    You’d be on me. I always said I was the only male born & raised in Indiana without a jumper.

    I’m just hoping that he got some kind of reality check that this season is the last one he’ll ever play (unless he lands in a pro league in Mongolia or Suriname,) and he wants to go out with some form of a legacy.

  • Nothing from my end, but I was out of town the past week and am just getting back into the swing of things.

  • ArtistFormerlyKnownAs_Aceman07

    He was being sarcastic man because of all the talk about Baker by the psycho above!

  • kristheboss

    Am I the psycho your referring to? BC I did nothing in the Baker argument except spectate I’ve never seen him play. I only mentioned him bc some guy was VERY offended by the class of 2013 rankings. and started quite the argument on that thread.

  • kristheboss

    And I agree 100% there, just because DSR is very good doesn’t mean he is really a player IU has to have, especially with whats happening with Patterson, and pursuit of Yogi. Though as a former Panther (the real ones not the Park Tudor Breed) I’d love to see a DSR Patterson backcourt with Hanner, Hollowell, and Jurkin in the front…