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A brief treatise on loving and losing

by in Commentary | July 26th, 2010

It recently came to my attention, through the technological wonder of our Disqus-powered comments section, that Beth Pritchard (or someone claiming to be Beth Pritchard, mother of Tom) dropped a note under the much-discussed open thread Alex composed about this coming season.

In fairness to Mrs. Pritchard, I won’t quote her directly, as I doubt she intended her post to be specifically on-record. But her message, a response to the open-ended question of expectations for this coming season, was basically this: Expect the Hoosiers, every one of them, to work hard and play hard every night, and appreciate them for that.

A simple message, really, and a predictable one. It’s completely fair for a parent to want to defend their child, and their child’s friends.

It also raises a valid point.

Yes, these kids have a burden of expectation placed on them. A basketball scholarship at Indiana does that.

But too often, it feels like we take out our frustrations on these players not because of what they do or do not do on the court, but simply because we need something to yell at. Indiana basketball isn’t Indiana basketball right now, and it’s frustrating, and we as human beings like to, want to, need to blame someone. There surely is no more visible target, outside of Tom Crean himself.

But is it Tom Pritchard’s fault that Indiana is where it is? No. Is it Verdell Jones’ fault? No. Daniel Moore’s? Absolutely not.

The current predicament Indiana basketball finds itself in is lamentable, whether you are a fan or not. It’s never pleasant to watch a castle burn to the ground, and thus is the way with a storied college sports program.

And it’s not the fault of any one person, but rather years — more than a decade, probably — of mismanagement and neglect. Set in motion by complacency, complicated by strife and ultimately done in by scandal, Indiana’s problems are far-reaching, and long-term.

Have their been missteps? Well, of course there have. And there are parties involved that bear the responsibility for those, if they set the program back.

But Indiana’s players haven’t really done much but turn up with shoes and shorts whenever they were told, and tried their level best. I would imagine there have been times each has perhaps not given everything they had, in that particular moment. But on the whole, this is a group that plays hard and looks, for the most part, like it’s at least trying to do things the right way.

So let’s stop punishing them for that which they cannot control. Let’s stop punishing them for something that just isn’t their fault.

  • MileHighHoosier

    This is a great response. I agree with Mrs. Pritchard entirely. I agree with this post entirely, too. I’m sure the Pritchard family heard a lot of negative comments last season focused solely at Tom, which is completely ridiculous and uncalled for.

    However, fans can criticize the team while still staying loyal and supportive. It’s not one or the other. I know this might sound silly, but it’s kind of like patriotism. I can criticize my government while still remaining supportive.

    And, I say all this as someone who is the biggest CTC supporter out there and a huge believer in the players we currently have in our program.

  • http://insidethehall.com Paliofo

    Absolutely true about what you say

  • marchus

    I am currently paying for my education at Indiana University. Tom isn’t because he has basketball talents. When he lacks to demonstrate those supposed talents he will hear about it from the fan base. We don’t send private messages to Mrs. Pritchard. We simply voice our opinion. It would be different if we were calling Tom out for things totally unrelated to the basketball world. All in all, if anyone on the team severly under performs they will be called out for it. The fact is that if Tom plays even decent the entire Hoosier Nation will love him. However, he hasn’t therefore people will openly bash Toms’s basketball talent. Im just sayin…..

  • Anonymous

    very well said. go hoosiers!

  • HoosierFutbal

    With a talented freshman class last year, it was emotional to cheer for those guys and see them fall short so many times – like cheering for your little brother who just wasn’t quite ready yet. I think we have to trust that they have the right support structure around them to help them excel in the classroom, on the court, in leaderhship roles, learn from their mistakes, and hold them accountable for their fair share. Again…like mentoring your little brother.

    Despite not creating the problems, the players have responsibilities nonetheless. Attitudes and priorities change during college (didn’t it happen to you?), and if players forfeit their right to playing time and scholarship as evidenced by consistent negative attitude and actions, send them on their way with a handshake and a “good luck”. Life if often a meritocracy and so should IU basketball be. Anything less than tough love would be doing them a disservice down the road.

  • Jhurley

    Wow, that was a pretty easy root out. She put the hip into us and everyone is moving out of the paint. I recall very few comments of a negative personal nature about any of the players. Were results critiqued? Were observations made of performance vs freshman year? Yes. Is that unfair? No.
    She should tell her son not to read the sites that may offer critique of performance. As important as the APR is, he should be studying.

    This is not meant to be mean in any way. There have been very few mean comments here regarding any players.

  • Dmglotz

    Let’s put this in perspective…I can see where the parents and some players can get rubbed the wrong way after hearing any criticism from their very own, the IU faithful. Why?… because…

    1) TP’s mom is right, these guys are playing hard and trying their best to improve…every workout, every practice, every game!

    2) These players expected nothing but love coming to IU. They thought they would be remembered as the first stepping stones in the rebuilding of IU and never forgotten. TP and the rest of the crew did not have to commit to IU. IU did not have a team!! They could have turned their backs and went to college somewhere else and we would have nothing but walkons.

    3) Our whole team has been extremely young the past two years. It’s not like we have 3 or 4 good upperclassmen playing with one or two freshmen which make the young guys look better. When it’s all underclassmen on the court, it’s going to be ugly at times, not to mention the stamina problems with a young team. It takes time to improve, getting worse is sometimes a requirement to get better.

    These kids need all the support and appreciation we can give them. Lastly, I believe arm chair coaching is fine, just as long as we don’t belittle the individual players in any manner. GO HOOSIERS!!!

  • Bucky

    I’ve read that even pro players hear the taunting from the stands, or read the snide comments in the press and online, and that it stings. Professionals. Dish that out to 21-year-olds, and it can be pretty rough.

    No person likes being scorned, especially by people who are supposed to support you.

    Yes, players should have thick skin and understand that when you’re in the public eye, you’ll get unfair abuse. But a minority of fans can make a lasting negative impression, and that’s too bad.

    The best I can say is that those negative people don’t speak for all of us.

  • Hoosier Mick

    Well said and I agree!

    Thank you,

    Hoosier Mick

  • IUMIKE1

    The only thing I will say right now is that it is going to be very interesting to see the comments that follow this one and that I will post at a later time after I have leaned back in my chair, rubbed my chin and let out a long hmmmmm.

  • GalenaScott

    Way to go, Alex! And, I like Mrs. Pritchard, too! I think it is great for parents to defend their kids when the kids don't deserve being put-down. I have no doubts that Tom, and the other players, will play better this year. If I am critical on this board, it has no worth whatsoever in helping the team play better. The coaches, players, and actually parents, too, own that responsibility. I think the whole program, everyone involved, is working effectively to turn this program around. Can't wait to see this season get started. Go Hoosiers!

  • GalenaScott

    Sorry, Zach, I thought Alex penned this blog. Way to go, Zach!

  • IUfanPurduePhD

    Well said, sir. Root for our boys, no matter the how low the lows … that's the true essence of being a fan.

    And I encourage neither parents nor players to read the sports pages or the blogs unless you have thick skin. We (in the US) are a lot softer than the tabloids in Europe, but the comments on some blogs (although generally not ITH) are inane, spiteful, irrational, and acerbic. The anonymity of the internet contributes to that, for sure (hello obscure screenname!).

    It's also a good thing to remember that these players are kids — students. That is not to say that we shouldn't expect the very best out of them, but when they fail, we need to give them a break. They're not making millions like their NBA counterparts, and they're also hard-working students (as evidenced by their GPA).

  • Gregmquinn

    I understand and appreciate Mrs. Pritchard's comments. I think we have a tendency to scapegoat players when we're not winning. It's easy to forget that these are kids under a lot of pressure. However, “It's Indiana” and we were Indiana when they signed their LOI. We have the highest standards for our program and we don't sit quietly when things go wrong.

    Coach Knight was once asked “Can a tough loss at the end of the season help a team prepare for the Tournament?” Knight responded (paraphrasing) “I think you learn a lot more from winning than losing. No team learned more than the '76 team and they didn't lose once.”

    By that standard, our kids aren't learning. A 13 game losing streak during the Big Ten season is not acceptable. If we make it acceptable, then we are embracing under achievement. That is not what Indiana Basketball is about.

  • Azur Allen

    For me, I am a look towards a future guy. I find it hard to criticize the current IU team, because they respresent us very well in terms of attitude and effort. How do you fault effort? We just plain don't have the talent of IU teams past. The losses we are in now are met with excitement we have for the 2011 and 12 classes. We'll struggle…but it's all in the name of improving the program.

  • Bored_in_the_Offseason

    I have very mixed emotions over said post. I certainly understand that the state of Indiana men's basketball is none the fault of these young men, and as such they should be commended for taking a risk (in joining a program that could be viewed as unseated) that players like LeBron James won’t (baaaazing).

    On the other hand, while competing and working hard are nice attributes, they certainly don’t count for victories in the win column. The point of competing, and competing at a high level, is to win and to do so a lot. Do I cheer for my alma mater because they work and play hard every night out? Sure I do… and so do the rest of the college basketball fans. So what separates me from my U of I friends or my little bro who attends an SEC school? The record at the end of the year… the whole premise of competing.

    So yes, it’s nice to see hard work and hard play, but this year marks Year 2 of Tom Crean’s real conservatorship of the men’s program. In my eyes, it’s certainly ok to have raised expectations, as I do, and I certainly hope others out there do as well.

  • GFDave

    I try to be fair towards the players in terms of what they can and cannot do as basketball players and about how they comport themselves as representatives of IU. I don't blame them for the current situation and I don't think name calling or incessant negativism is called for.

    We come here to have honest and frank discussions of the program and that necessarily means analysis of players. Its unavoidable. But it doesn't have to be nasty and I rarely see that or blame being placed on players for the current state of affairs.

    However, my expectations of the program, not any one group of kids necessarily, is that it turn the corner and start winning as we think it should. This is big time college athletics, not juice box soccer. Not everybody gets a trophy and millions of dollars, jobs, scholarships in multiple sports, and institutional reputations are on the line. Don't kid yourself into believing that “a good effort” is enough. If a player puts as much as they can into it and is the best on the team, they play. If not, there's always the bench. Or another school.

    Lastly, this forum is about the last place I would go looking to blame people for negativity. This place is as supportive as it gets. My advice would be not to read anything on the net if ITH disturbs you.

  • http://www.insidethehall.com/ Alex Bozich

    I think Zach made it clear this is not about one individual. He only used the comment as an example for the premise of his article.

  • http://twitter.com/ChronicHoosier Chronic Hoosier

    Perhaps when certain players, who shall not be identified here by name, can perform at a level where they…oh, let's say…. shoot a better ft% than Shaq or knock down bunnies with a higher success rate that Elmer Fudd, I will be content with the effort. Until then, consider it a burden the boys must carry on their backs when they choose to wear Indiana on their chests. I'd like to still believe the young men worthy of such an honor have to embrace, if not welcome, the expectations.

  • http://www.insidethehall.com/ Alex Bozich

    Nice collection of thoughts, Zach.

    I think there's a healthy medium that can be achieved in discussing college athletics and I like to believe we do a solid job in allowing opinion, but also keeping it respectful.

    There's certainly a difference between constructive criticism and thoughtless bashing and I've been told by countless readers that the overall environment of the comments is part of what draws people to ITH.

  • BFowler

    Zach, well written article and reflection on Beth Pritchard's reaction to some of the comments made. These athletes are doing their best (as near as I can tell) in a very cloudy situation. I believe that the smoke is beginning to clear, but when the majority of them came on board, things were very murky. at best. I am going to see if I can make a counter point based on what I think is the point of your article.

    I agree that at times we in the fandom are too hard on kids as they are trying to represent our beloved university and our even more beloved basketball program. They are just kids, after all, and they are trying to learn how to be college students and deal with the pressures of being athletes, so personal attacks are off-limits in my book. As far as I can see, these are good citizens and have done nothing to deserve to be personally demoralized.

    Can they control their talent level? Can they control DNA? Can they control the situation they were placed in? Probably “no” in all three situations. However, they can control how hard they work, how they improve, and their effort and intensity. They can control their maturity, their attittude, and their committment. The problem with many players is that we saw them perform in certain situations, i.e. – the first half against the team from West Lafayette, and wondered aloud where that had been all year. Can they control consistency on a 2nd tour through the Big 10(12)?

    While at times I find it deplorable the way some chastise these young men for their ineptitude on the hardwood, I think that they are also adults (in the literal sense if nothing else) who need to be held responsible for their performance. When do we begin to draw the line between childhood irresponsible behavior and adulthood responsible behavior? When do we hold people responsible for low performance? I am in no way suggesting that the kids on this are not giving effort most of the time, nor that they not representing their university as strong citizens. What I am suggesting is that they are trading their basketball prowess for subsidized education and therefore must be held responsible for their performance in that area.

    I am personally not suggesting anyone be removed forcibly nor suggesting that any player's career be best spent at another university. However, if there is a more talented person applying for a position that is coveted, room has to be made to accomodate those “wages”, and the “manager's” job depends on more positive results, as the “manager” I would have to find a way to rid my team of the least talented employees…….Then again, I may have missed the point of your article entirely.

  • Mariner

    XXX

  • Kelin Blab

    Good article Zach. I have every reason to believe that parents, players, coaches, radio personalities, and recruits all read the 'the stuff' that is out there and especially when it comes to IU. I would like to think if any of these groups were to logon to ITH they would get honest opinion about a number of things without the pure bashing and without a ton of rumors.

    I hope we all keep in mind, and I try to myself, this is basketball and these are kids! Hopefully none of these kids take these things personal or anyone else associated with them. So JR if you or Doc are on ITH reading this, you are a solid coach, your son is a helluva athlete, all I want is for him to make a jumpshot or two. :)

  • walton

    I am not going to lie and say I didn't throw a few select number of players under the bus last year, but I avoided blaming it on the fact that they didn't work hard. I definitely think it is more important and “proper” for someone to express their negative opinions to themselves alone. At the same time – some people could probably take some of this criticism a little less personally. Players should learn that once they reach a certain level of notoriety, that they are being watched and judged by a lot of people. Though maybe sometimes not the best thing, message boards are designed to receive negative comments (constructive criticism) along with the positive ones. These players should either ignore these comments or find a way to take the criticism and use it as a motivation.

  • marcusgresham

    Have I made negative comments about Tom Pritchard? Yes, I will admit that. Have I made supportive comments about Tom? Yes, I have also done that. (Maybe I needed to create one of those “fake names.” Stupid me.)

    I don't think I have been intentionally unfair in expressing my opinions, and have even gone as far as saying that perhaps he's simply been placed in situations that present him with expectations that don't fit his best abilities due to the shortage of talent on this team. JerryCT has pointed out his abilities to hedge on the screen and to set his own screens better than anyone on the team frequently enough that many of us have used it as a bit of a running gag.

    I think many of us were mystified by a regression in his success from his freshman to his sophomore seasons, and maybe there was some frustration expressed, but I don't know that anyone has ever questioned that his effort has ever been anything short of what it should be. I know there have been references by some posters to the team's collective effort in some games, but I'd say that any team would have a tendency to give up easier until it believes it can close out a game—success breeds success, and until you realize you have the ability to win it's easy to fall into the “here we go again” thought process when things look to be turning south.

    I did read Mrs. Pritchard's post and agreed with it. I also applaud her tact in her wording, as I'm sure she wanted to defend her son far more directly and vigorously than she did, but made her point in a far gentler tone than I probably would have if it were my child.

    I'd also want her to know that all of us are rooting for all the guys on the team. With the exception of a few bush-league moves by Devin Dumes a couple of years ago, I don't see where anyone could question the character of any member of this team under the watch of CTC, and I think because of that these are guys who we'll see remembered fondly when they return to Assembly Hall (or maybe a newer, bigger, louder, fancier arena) for decades to come.

  • Kelin Blab

    Bush-league moves by Devin Dumes….come on, haven't we all elbowed about 5 guys in the nads before…it's just part of the game. Let em' play…..Devin you will be missed

    When Kelin Blab Jr. makes it to IU I am going to have to use a ton of fake names to defend my kid, although I expect him to be one and done and will encourage him to do so…my 401K needs him! :)

  • eph521

    And Doc, if you're still reading this, when I've said JR is my “least favorite” player, he's still one of my “favorites”, know what I mean?

  • JB

    While I can appreciate “Mrs. Pritchard's” comments…I think most fans are looking for more than just an A for effort.

  • AbbyQQFire

    I can appreciate her comment. However, IU basketball fans do not need to be told how to be fans. If this low point in IU basketball history proves anything it proves that IU has some of the best fans in the country. In return it should be the players ultimate goal to not just give an A for effort, but to ultimately find a way to be an outstanding individual and team member who will restore IU to its proper elite status among NCAA basketball.

    Not that I do not respect and appreciate their effort,but I think all our players know that playing basketball at Indiana is a tremendous honor and should expect more than an A for effort.

    Now all that aside, Crean and the team have submitted themselves to an ultimate test of ability, physical, and emotional strength. All of them could have gone to other schools with a much better foundation under them, but they chose IU and the challenge. I will support them 100% regardless of any win/loss record.

  • unbelievable

    If I want to settle for “working hard and playing hard”– I 'll watch Division 11 or NAIA ball or maybe IPFW. I can't imagine Bob Knight saying “Boys, just work hard and play hard every night–if we only win 10 games-its O.K.” With that attitude IU basketball is doomed. If they can't handle the competition–clean the house.

  • MillaRed

    (hiding in shame)

  • MillaRed

    (hiding in shame)

  • cooper

    Nice article if you are talking about 12yr olds. I don't want IU to try hard, they are expected to try hard, I want them to win.

  • WestCoast Hoosier

    I'd say that I can understand Beth Pritchard's comment. Also, that it was polite and well taken. Also that it must sometimes be hurtful to see criticism of her son's playing.

    But it, to some extent, it goes with the territory. If you're in the public eye in any way, you can expect to be criticized.

    Presidents are criticized.

    War heroes are criticized.

    LeBron James is criticized.

    Mother Theresa, Nelson Mandella, Martin Luther King and the Pope are criticzed.

    Even historical religious figures including Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Mohammed (to recent sad affect), and Buddha are criticized.

    It goes with the territory.

    West Coast Hoosier

  • Luke72

    This shows the intelligence of a fine sports journalist and the heart of a true fan. I appreciate the thoughtfulness that went into you writting this. For all the Mrs. Prichards that have spent coutless hours taking, picking up, and the ups and downs that the game brings, I thank you as well!

  • http://twitter.com/ChronicHoosier Chronic Hoosier

    Not as soon as I'd hit “post” on my prior comment, I began thinking back to the faces of the parents I'd seen over the last couple of season. I began to regret spouting off about what I expect from any parent's son. After all, what does my expectation really mean to them? Not much. I've seen enough of their faces to know that NOBODY in that gym anguishes as much as they do after a loss. I know that nobody in that gym, coaches included, is more fully aware of that player's potential than the very individual who drove them to practice countless times and sat through more games than most humans. And I'm almost certain that no other people are more fully aware of the boys' hopes and dreams, fears and insecurities.

    But

  • Dmglotz

    Of course, nobody wants to settle for working hard while not producing wins. However, the fact of the matter is that a roster of young players (some with significant limitations) who are thrown together equals a significant amount of losses. The expectations of our current unique situation should not equal the expectations of the Knight era or even a few years ago.

    If by “can't handle the competition”, you mean can't produce wins, what did you expect…that these guys would be in the NCAA tourney by now. TC is gradually cleaning house to get us back on top but let's respect the players we have now who are busting their butts. Let's keep it realistic and cut the kids some slack!

  • S-man

    One question for Tom and Ms. P: Did Tom come into the basketball season in the best possible shape he could have? Did he work his tail off in the off season preparing himself mentally and phyiscally to do his best on the court? If yes, then that's all we can expect from him…if no, then he probably did not perform up to his potential or up to expectations.

    S-man

  • http://www.insidethehall.com/ Alex Bozich

    I think Zach made it clear this is not about one individual. He only used the comment as an example for the premise of his opinion.

  • IUfanPurduePhD

    Both sides of the argument … good stuff.

  • GFDave

    Wow, I feel like Sally Field. You like me. You really like me.

  • millzy32

    I really do agree with what you are saying but I can honestly say that watching them last year I did feel several times that they had given up and that they weren't giving it their best effort. I know it isn't easy to continue to try as hard as you can when you are overmatched and know that you can't win even with your best effort but you have to continue to act as if you can win even if it is difficult or darn near impossible.

    I played HS ball for a very small school in central Indiana and we got beat on many times but we always gave it our all every night and winning a game in the sectional meant something to us and giving a team that should have killed us a run for their money felt great even in defeat. We played our hearts out and lost to a school that was 4 times our size (How I miss the old days without class basketball).

    I pray that the Hoosiers give maximum effort at all times this year. If they do this I guarantee they'll surprise some people this year with what they can achieve.

  • Outoftheloop

    Tom Pritchard is probably a very nice young man who tries very hard to improve as a basketball player. But he did not play very well last year. I am 100% behind him this year. But I do not feel any remorse in saying that he did not play well last year. He can do better, he needs to do better. But he is only slightly responsible for our 10-21 record last season. I do not agree that “set in motion by complacency, complicated by strife and ultimately done in by scandal, Indiana’s problems are far-reaching, and long-term.” IU had a coach that cheated. The program was completely purged, The new players recruited in 2008 were not great. And they were all alone. We are getting better every year. Each player must dig deep and press himself to see if he is a major college basketball player or not. This includes Pritchard, Roth, Jones, Michael, Rivers, Creek, Watford, Elston, Hulls, Capo, Sheehey, Oladipo, Howard, and Moore. Coach Crean must dig deep and press himself to see if he can lead the turn around. As fans we back them 100%. But that does not include sugar coating it when any of them does not give 100% effort, or constantly repeats the same basic errors! GO IU!

  • Q95

    thanks for putting things into context. as for pritchard, i have always been surprised by the amount of criticism he receives from some of your readers. his situation would have been a challenge for anyone given the state of indiana basketball his first two years. he obviously has a lot of talent, however i feel he is more of a complimentary player. put him on a team with a solid front line, like a purdue or michigan state, and you have a guy most teams would difficulty accounting for. i am glad he's here and look for more solid performances as the players around him improve.

  • millzy32

    I hate to make a comparison to a Purdue player that I hated when he played but at the same time respected his game but Pritchard has the ability and pretty much the same physical attributes of one Brian Cardinal that played for Purdue. If he can be half as nasty as that dude was when he played against us then he can be a phenomenal player for us. Did anyone watch Pritchard against Purdue last year at home. He was aggressive and nasty just like Cardinal used to be against us. He was dunking on people and 6-7 from the floor with 13 points. That's what we need night in and night out from him, maximum effort.

    Tom, please give us ten points and 7 rebounds next year per game and we'll sing your praises all year long as we win 20+ games.

    Hoo Hoo Hoo Hoosiers.

  • millzy32

    I totally agree with what you say about him performing better with a solid cast but unfortunately he actually played better without a cast the year before. His numbers went down last year not up and it would be very hard to argue that he had a better supporting cast in Crean's first year than he did last year. If anything he was probably targeted much more defensively his first year rather than last year. Just saying.

  • hoosierfan2

    I agree, and when students get academic scholarships and don't live up to it they don't get their scholarship renewed. If I thought Tom was working hard, I'd cut him some slack, but last year he showed up overweight and out of shape and didn't produce, at all. Hopefully that was a wake up call and he's putting in some time in the gym, I don't think he realizes how lucky he is to not have to take out student loans.

  • http://twitter.com/iu77bu81 Pete Oren

    Having been to Puerto Rico last year, it was apparent the pressure that the team and I am sure parents of players, coaches and their families must feel. In PR, the crowds were small enough that negative comments were definitely heard and impacted the families of the extended team. Thanks for reminding us of this and hopefully the team will enjoy more success this year turning the naysayers into believers.

  • deedubbadoo

    Our season tickets are right in the middle of most of the player's parents. Dumes' family sat behind me, Pritchard's family sat right there etc… This is also right next to the student section, so I have along with Mrs. Pritchard heard the same things. I also said some things myself. Like Alex said, there is a difference between constructive criticism and blatant player bashing. I am a vocal fan, because I have been an IU fan my entire life and my family is lucky enough to have had season tickets for almost two decades. My mom sits beside me and keeps track of each player's points on her popcorn box, and it has been that way for years. So when I see something I will say something, I know better than to degrade the guys, for one because they are way better basketball players than I ever was, and two, I know that I am right in the middle of all of their parents and I have some respect.

    I do get upset when let's say Elston is in instead of Tom and is really bringing energy, rebounding, hustling, scores a couple of buckets in 4-5 minutes then gets subbed out for Tom who immediately comes in, hacks a guy, slow getting up the court, not crashing the boards, etc… That is something that I will voice, parents or no parents. Why should he start if he gets outplayed by every other big on the team? Why does he get more minutes when he is less productive? Things like these are the reason that you hear it from fans. Things that are directly related to production on the court, sure most 18-24 year olds at the games don't take the time to give a thought-provoking synopsis of what is taking place, so that is why you hear the …he sucks, etc… I don't think anyone has a problem with any of the players on a personal level but with their play on the court, some just choose to voice it in a more respectful manner than others, welcome to America.

  • JerryCT

    No one wants to hear/read my dissertation on Pritchard again. BUT do yourself and TP a favor and watch any game you still have recorded, the 1st Minn game preferably. Isolate on TP instead of watch the “game”. All your questions about Elston , TP etc will be answered ……… especially if you know the offense and defense we are running.

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