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July evaluation period: 2012 class (part one)

by in Recruiting | July 14th, 2010

Inside the Hall hit the recruiting trail for the start of the July evaluation period and made stops at the adidas Invitational in Indianapolis and the Kentucky Hoopfest in Louisville. Here are our notes on prospects in the 2012 class with IU recruiting ties:

+ Ron Patterson, Broad Ripple (IN), Indiana Elite One: It’s not difficult to become a fan of Patterson once you observe all of the intangibles he brings to the table. While others are focused on scoring as much as possible or attempting to throw down ridiculous dunks, Patterson sticks to the basics: hard-nosed defense, finding the open man, finishing in traffic and crashing the boards. His shot from the perimeter is also continuing to improve. He’s not the most highly sought after recruit Indiana is pursuing for the 2012 class, but he’s probably the best fit in terms of filling a need. And if he can develop the handle to run the point, that’ll make him even more valuable at the next level. There’s been a lot of buzz that Indiana could be the school to beat, but Patterson has yet to declare that sentiment publicly.

+ Yogi Ferrell, Park Tudor (IN), Indiana Elite: It was a bit surprising to see Ge-Lawn Guyn start over Ferrell in the adidas Invitational, but the Park Tudor guard proved he’s worth the accolades he’s received once he got on the court. Ferrell is a competitor that can create for others, make shots from the perimeter and also knock down shots off the dribble. His ball handling is outstanding. There’s been some debate in the comments on who’s the better prospect: Ferrell or Warsaw’s Nic Moore. Having watched both players, it’s tough not to go with Yogi for his size (two inches taller) and his ability to dish off to teammates in the lane. As far as his recruitment goes, Ferrell’s frequent trips to Cook Hall have been well-documented on his Twitter feed, but Michigan is reportedly the school pursuing him the hardest.

+ Jeremy Hollowell, Lawrence Central (IN), Eric Gordon Central Stars: The one thing that stands out with Hollowell is how easy he can make the game look. Some might mistake the effortless look for a lack of intensity, but he does approach the game with a great deal of effort. After a blowout victory in a game at the Kentucky Hoopfest, Hollowell said he wished the event had “super pools” so the competition would be tough in every game. At 6-7 with a wingspan of 6-11, he does a nice job of using his length to create turnovers on defense. His outside shot is excellent and when defenders come too close, he can attack off the dribble and finish in the lane. After Patterson told us on Saturday that he’d been talking with Hollowell about playing together in college, the Lawrence Central forward said his decision centers on finding the best fit.

+ T.J. Warren, Riverside (NC), Garner Roads: Saturday was our first look at Warren and Indiana assistant coach Tim Buckley was also on hand for the contest. The game ended with Warren hitting a 3-pointer at the buzzer for the win. He’s a 6-7, 200-pound forward with a strong upper body that uses both hands well. He didn’t seem to move as fluidly in a Sunday game against Team Southern Indiana, but his size was too much to handle in the paint. Warren is from Durham and is being recruited by several ACC teams (NC State, Wake Forest and Virginia Tech have offered), so it’s difficult to imagine him leaving the east coast. However, his AAU coach Dwayne West tweeted on Sunday that his recruitment is wide open.

Tomorrow: Matt Costello, Kenny Kaminski, Peter Jurkin, Wanaah Bail, Kaleb Tarczewski

  • Diesel

    Read the link on Yogi – stated the biggest factor for him in picking a school is knowing he can come in and start. I like Yogi, but I sure as heck hope we've got someone in place established enough that Yogi won't come in and start in front. You'd think Hulls would own this team at that point.

  • Kelin Blab

    I agree Diesel, at that point Hulls would be a senior with a strong upper class group more than likely, not sure if Crean would give the keys to a Frosh immediately. Yogi will definitely play but start……

  • GFDave

    Agreed. I'd like my point guard to have some experience before I had over my team to him. We're in an unusual position about that right now, but in 2012 I don't think things will be the same. Hulls and somebody from 2011 will be ahead of him, and that's okay. We want competition.

  • ArtistFormerlyKnownAs_Aceman07

    I'm still predicting a class of Yogi, Perea, Jurkin, DSR, and Patterson!

    Top five class and an immediate impact and I wouldn't be surprised if any of them came in and started because I think the talent will be there. I think Jurkin may be a year or two before he rounds into a college starter but he runs the floor well and seems like he'd fit perfectly.

    I know I'm dreaming but I have a feeling that after IU lands a couple more good recruits in 2011 (here's looking at you Cody) the 2012 recruits will be lining up to play for a storied program in the hunt for a 6th NCAA title!

    Here's looking brightly at the future and GO HOOSIERS!!!

  • GFDave

    Does anybody think that Patterson committing would have an upstream domino effect on 2011? Or is it more a matter of Crean trying to decide if Young is his guy? We all know that Zeller's on his own clock.

  • Kelin Blab

    Out of the 2012 class I think Ron Patterson is as important as DSR and Perea. I know Perea is the ultra athlete with insane upside but Ron Patterson will come in with the most complete game if he choose IU. Since his frosh year….

    + He was just a slasher
    + Not a good jumpshot
    + Ok ballhandler
    + A good defender

    Now….he has filled alot of those holes in his game. And if he is listening to Crean about moving or playing some PG, he will be a beast. Check the archives in ITH on Buss and you will see the potential. Another point, this is his third high school coach, and the kid continues to adapt and get better, no matter if the style is fastbreak or grind it out Basi ball. Not ez for a high school kid to get three coaches.

  • jgongora86

    Nothing against Hulls but if Yogi can control the ball down the court without creating turnovers, he should be our guy. I hear he's also fast. Speed kills, and I think what the Big ten lacks as a whole are speedy point guards. If he's fast enough to disrupt defenses, he should start over Hulls.

  • Kelin Blab

    I think Patterson committing would have that affect from the standpoint of one of the states top talent in any class committed to IU. It would speak volumes to some other kids in 2012 to get on board. It would also send a nice shot up I-65 to PU which is the most important thing.

  • Dirk

    Nothing wrong with telling Yogi he can start Year 1 during the recruiting process…

  • kristheboss

    I've been saying it all along but I think that Patterson will excel the most in college of the 2012 class (atleast of IN players Perea may be another beast). Just look at it in a historical perspective, he is dominating the way he is and attracting this much attention, and he's in IPS! look at the other IPS kids that have had his level of talent (George Hill, Rodney Carney) and though both were highly respected in state(All-star team members) they still weren't blowing up on a national scene the way Patterson is. I know alot has to do with the change in coverage of h.s. bball over the past few years but still. The kids coming from a system where he plays poor competition, his facilities and coaching are lower than his Marion County counterparts (NC, LN, PT) yet still playing the way he is. Mark my words he'll be an absolute beast in college and I can only hope he's on our side.

  • IUMIKE1

    If Yogi comes to IU will he start right away ? I have no idea. We can all do all the guessing and tea leaf reading we want but until then that is all it is, guessing.

    The one thing I think that none of us have to guess about, and that we probably can all agree on, is that Crean, baring some kind of unbelievable season this coming year, is going to be feeling the pressure even more by then and he is going to put whoever he thinks gives us the best chance to win out on the floor regardless of age or how many stars they had next to their name before that got to IU. One must remember the old coach's rule too when all other aspects are equal you normally go with the more youthfull one.

  • hoosierfan2

    I disagree, Dominic James (who by the way got robbed of Indiana Mr. Basketball in 2005) came into Marquette and started from day one. That team went on to make the NCAA tournament. If Yogi's got the talent, let him start. I think Hulls will be a complete point guard by that time, but as the old adage goes, you can't teach speed and Yogi seems to have quite a bit of that.

  • Jmossler

    Does Ron Patterson remind any old timers of Jim Thomas?

  • eph521

    Good point Kelin… we may be underselling the fact that he's played for 3 HS coaches already. That is a testament to his mental toughness and flexibility/adaptability. I just love the kid's smile and attitude – seems like a winner.

  • IUfanPurduePhD

    Until he shows up in 2012, doesn't start, and then transfers.

  • slojoe

    Although Young hasn't said so, I don't think he will be signing until spring. His recruiting is just gettin started because of his past academic and off-court issues. He's played very little HS ball. There are also questions about his qualifying for 2012 and despite his undoubted talent many schools have held off offering.

  • IUfanPurduePhD

    PU is not in the greatest shape for 2012 b/c Painter offered a bunch of kids early and they committed … what worries me is that since he already has 2012 taken care of (3 commits), he's working hard on all the 2013 kids (Devin Davis, Smotherman, Bryson Scott). If Brendon Dawson goes anywhere else but Purdue, I think they're going to be middling until 2015 (after this season, of course), and that's if he lands Davis, Smotherman, et al (which isn't a done deal by any stretch at this point). While I'd like to have Dawson at IU, I doubt Crean is going to wait until spring to fill the class (which is when Dawson said he's going to commit)… I simply hope Dawson goes anywhere but Purdue. I think they better make the Final Four this year or it might be 5 years until they even sniff the Sweet Sixteen.

  • Kelin Blab

    Ahhh but maybe by his soph year he starts after hulls has graduated…..so go for it coach tell em' he will start. To be honest Crean, Painter, Brey or Beilen cannot tell Yogi he is starting given the 2011 kids they are recruiting and other 2012 kids. So hopefully Yogi isn't banking on that. Will he have a chance to start yep….

  • ArtistFormerlyKnownAs_Aceman07

    Personally, having grown up in Kokomo, I think the best thing that could have happened to Patterson was losing Basil Mawbey and the Basilball approach to the game. It's slow, methodical, does not encourage creativity, star power, or individual defense. His system is a team defense, team offense system and it was good for Buss to see it and learn it once but I'd be much happier with him playing for a coach that let him refine his skills and play a little looser.

  • Kelin Blab

    I remember Patterson early in the season talking about the slow down game and Basil preaching team defense. It did help Buss, given they won their conference and the city tourney for the first time in a long time, but their team is more of a transition type of team. They hired Scott Hicks former Cathedral coach here in Indy who is a very good coach. I wonder why Basil shut it down though, after a successful season….

  • Kelin Blab

    I think Dawson may be holding off to see where some other guys go, he will have a ton of options and I am not sure how long Painter will wait. Painter quickly got off of Teague, which was smart, but team up 37 has made up a ton of ground with alot of kids.

  • GFDave

    I was on the HPER floor a couple of times with JT. Physically JT and Buss have very similar builds. I hope Buss plays as well defensively–indications are that he will. Offensively, I think that Buss projects to be a far superior player.

  • IUfanPurduePhD

    I hope Painter gets antsy too … but I think they only have a (one) scholarship for 2011 (they had two but Hale gets one … but this is based off of memory and not research), so since Painter is out of schollies for 2012, it wouldn't be the worst idea to try and use it on one of the '12 guys. I don't think he will, but all I'm really saying is that holding out for Dawson wouldn't be the worst thing for Painter since surely somebody in the '12 class would take it if Painter holds out and Dawson goes elsewhere.

  • slikyslim222

    Yogi will be stealing other team's picnic baskets and become an IU fan favorite by getting our offense into gear with his excellent point guard skills and, of course, a cool nickname. His game is tailor-made for Indiana.

    “Yo-gi, Yo-gi…” :o )

  • slikyslim222

    True, plus it will open up Hulls shooting & open up Yogi's outside shooting by getting it right back as Hulls is a good passer too.

  • Outoftheloop

    I thought that BJ Young was class of 2011? Which Young are you posting about?

  • Outoftheloop

    Yogi is a 2012. It will be next to impossible to beat out a senior, 3 year veteran, Hulls as the starter. But there should be lots of playing time available for Yogi.

  • Outoftheloop

    That would be a great class! And Hollowell could be added for any in that group that balks at IU.

  • Outoftheloop

    Of course he will start IF he is the better player! So show me your game with my team. Yogi is not a one-and-done NBA kind of talent. But he could be a great Indiana player and NBA player if he is driven.

  • StuHoo

    “Jordan Crawford, take note. RT @MC3Creek about to hit these football stadium stairs again….I got that heart of a king”

    Not to get off subject, but did any of you see this Tweet that ITH linked? If Mo Creek isn't my favorite player since DJ, then I don't know who is! Working hard, differentiating from the KS era with a wicked sharp sense of humor, recruiting, huge on-court performance…he's the best.

  • Kelin Blab

    Saw that, would be stunned if the kid is NOT all big ten this year. Apparently his knee is getting better if he is running stairs. He just works at it and I guess his brother is of the same mold.

  • http://www.prinsportsblog.com BGleas

    Not sure if you reralize this, or if I'm reading your post wrong, but the “Jordan Crawford, take note” part was added by ITH's Twitter feed, not Creek's. Still a great post from Creek though. It's got to be a good sign for his knee that he can run stadium steps.

  • http://www.insidethehall.com/ Alex Bozich

    That was all me in reference to Crawford's comments that he didn't want to run stadium steps while at IU.

  • Jfari001

    Maybe I’m the only one who feels this way, but Young has that “win or die” mentality that top tier teams have with their players. eventhough there are other hurdles with his recruiting, should they be cleared, I would rather have this guy on the team than Jeremiah Davis. JD is good, but this guy can ball and has that swag that Mo Creek has. Getting a team full of guys that all they wanna do is get better and win is vital to the success of a program. These two guys have it, and I feel Young is def a player and a gamer, one that we need.

  • GFDave

    Below is link to audio file of Dakich talking to Demling today on 1070:

    http://www.1070thefan.com/dakich/podcast.aspx

    Summary of Demling's thoughts:

    –loves Gary Harris, so do college coaches
    –Pitino giving Dawson lots of attention
    –Kanter crazy good
    –Zeller leans IU and is a must get for Crean
    –Zeller would start the dominos for IU

    You all should mosdef listen. Good stuff.

  • eph521

    Right on StuHoo. I can understand why he's your new favorite. Creek is an absolute star in the making… besides the obvious things (talent, work ethic) what I love about him is 'who he is'… he strikes me as humble, hungry and even-keel. I hope him and Olidapo's relationship means we can expect big things from VO too, I still think that counts for something.

  • http://www.prinsportsblog.com BGleas

    To me, the most important part of the entire interview was that throw away line at the very end of the interview when Dakich said knowing Zeller's parents (he named them by name) they'd like him to go to IU.

    How many times in recent years have we seen a kid pick a school because his parents and/or reps wanted him too?

  • BaseballBuc

    Alex that was great!

  • ArtistFormerlyKnownAs_Aceman07

    Yeah, I'd be happy with Hollowell instead of DSR because he's a bigger wing and DSR may be more valuable as a combo or point and with Yogi I don't think we'd have much room for PG's.

  • ArtistFormerlyKnownAs_Aceman07

    Well, the past two times he shut it down up here at Kokomo and Cass he was really still on top so I'm not sure but it seems it could be his health or age?

  • IUfanPurduePhD

    I'm absolutely fine with Crean saying, “You'll be fighting for a starting spot” or “You could win the starting spot if you fight hard enough and play well enough,” but telling the kid, “Yeah, sure, you'll definitely start your freshman year” seems like a lie. I think Crean proved last year that he'd start/play the people that showed the most effort in practice/games, so if he tells a kid he has a shot is not only honest, but it's proven to be true. But straight up telling the kid that he'll start at the point his freshman year … I like Yogi, but I don't think he's John Wall or Chris Paul or Derrick Rose. I'm completely fine with Yogi winning the starting job, but not being given it because Crean promised the kid could have it. Being honest and forthright (telling Yogi he's got a chance) should be enough.

    Cody Zeller claims to have a BS detector … maybe he could loan it to Yogi so he can use it when coaches tell him he'll start at PG his frosh campaign…

  • IUfanPurduePhD

    And the way Crean ranted against rival coaches in his tweets last week makes me hopeful that he wouldn't go around throwing out starting jobs to kids that are 2 years away from graduating high school.

  • Diesel

    Hoosierfan, I don't think we are disagreeing. If Yogi is the better player, absolutely he should start regardless being a freshman. My point was that I like Yogi as a player, but I sure hope that we have such solid play from the point position (meaning Hulls has developed or someone has come in and owned the position and we are that much better as a program) that as good as Yogi is, he is not our starting PG.

    I agree with you on James, I grew up in that area.

  • Diesel

    Anyone else starting to doubt the health of DSR's knee? Second surgery in as many years….just saying.

  • Diesel

    AFKA_Aceman, for as much AAU ball as these kids play, I don't think playing Basil-ball during the high school season restricted Buss as a player as much as it made him a more complete player and adaptable to different styles. He's going to understand a lot more about playing against teams like Wisconsin and Purdue compared to other Big Ten teams that want to push it like IU wants to and like State does.

  • Diesel

    Yeah, caught that right away Alex, had me laughing. Wish I had come up with it first, well played.

  • GFDave

    What procedures have been performed?

  • Outoftheloop

    You are definitely not alone in liking BJ Young. But he is class of 2011 not 2012. I like him too.

  • Diesel

    GFDave – I'm going to be a little guarded here. I think it is pretty common knowledge that he had a basic knee scope last year. I believe I saw some reports about an MCL injury this time, but let me just say this – no one does surgery for an MCL injury, so it's something else. And it's the same knee.

  • ArtistFormerlyKnownAs_Aceman07

    My only problem with Basilball and why I'm glad Patterson is out of it is that Basil never really produced any big time studs out of all those great teams, especially during his time at Cass (which was a small school but it's still Indiana basketball). I think Brian Hogan was the biggest name player that he coached and I can promise you that Kokomo has had more than it's share of athletes who could have played at bigger schools if the system had developed their individual talents better. I like that Buss had a chance to play in an extremely disciplined, controlled system for one year but I'm glad that's it!

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