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A few thoughts on recruiting the state of Indiana

by in Commentary | June 17th, 2010

In Tuesday’s edition of The Indianapolis Star, Bob Kravitz penned a column (link) expressing concern over Tom Crean’s ability to recruit the state of Indiana. The headline: “Crean needs to start getting in-state talent.”

The overall tone of the column was hardly vicious, but there was quite a bit of discussion surrounding the 2010 class and the lack of IU flavor on the Indiana All-Star team.

If you’ve been following the program since Crean took over in the spring of 2008, he’s been transparent about the tremendous ground the program needed to make up in the 2010 recruiting class. And after landing a top 10 class in 2009, the Hoosiers will welcome a less-heralded three-man class this fall.

But back to the Indiana All-Star team. Kravitz mentioned three Purdue recruits — Terone Johnson, Donnie Hale and Travis Carroll — as well as Butler’s Erik Fromm and Chrishawn Hopkins and Ohio State’s Deshaun Thomas. I’ve watched all six players and two stood out as clear-cut Big Ten level guys: Thomas, Mr. Basketball and a McDonald’s All-American and Johnson, who will be a high level player in West Lafayette.

And while it’s easy to type a line like, “Take a quick look at the roster for the Indiana All-Stars boys basketball team. On second thought, if you’re an Indiana University fan, don’t bother. It’s too depressing,” that statement is also a little misleading.

The reality, as Kravitz mentions, is the recruiting work on Thomas and Johnson was all but completed before Crean ever stepped foot in Bloomington. The other four — Carroll, Fromm, Hale and Hopkins — could potentially fill roles at their respective schools, but are not worth losing much, if any, sleep over.

The real litmus test on IU’s ability to recruit Indiana talent will come in the next three classes.

In 2011, IU is in a battle for Washington’s Cody Zeller and is also pursuing Muncie Central’s Jeremiah Davis.

In 2012, the Hoosiers are being mentioned favorably with in-state talent like Broad Ripple’s Ron Patterson, North Central’s D’Vauntes Smith-Rivera, Carmel’s A.J. Hammons, Park Tudor’s Yogi Ferrell and Lawrence Central’s Jeremy Hollowell.

And in 2013, Indiana has already offered scholarships to four of the state’s best: Cathedral’s Collin Hartman, Hamilton Southeastern’s Zak Irvin, Heritage Christian’s Basil Smotherman and Warren Central’s Devin Davis.

Land a couple of these guys and all of the chatter about recruiting the state is silenced.

But before you buy into the belief that IU must lock down the Indiana borders to return to prominence, remember that its top three returning scorers — Maurice Creek, Verdell Jones and Christian Watford — all hail from outside of the state.

Ultimately, the best players in the country want to play at winning programs.

As IU continues on its rebuilding path with more wins in 2010-2011, some of the names mentioned above — or players like Aaron Thomas, B.J. Young, Hanner Perea and Peter Jurkin — will take notice and make a pledge to become a part of something special.

  • http://www.insidethehall.com/ Alex Bozich

    For the record, JMV now occupies the drive-time slot on 1070.

  • psvirsky

    Spot on. Like you said, Kravitz was pretty tame but it still felt like he was (a) off the mark and (b) trying to stir up comments and page-views (or simply discussion, as they would say in the pre-blog days).

    Chances are it'll be the next 2-3 years that will make or break Crean's legacy. If he picks up 3+ top guys from the next few classes, IU can get back in the national spotlight and he'll be able to stay a long time. If we lose out again on all these guys, it's going to be tough to quiet the nay-sayers.

    And ultimately, it all depends on winning. My emotional investment this year is going to be way higher knowing that all these recruits are watching and making opinions. If we do well this year, especially in the nationally televised games, the top recruits will come. If we don't, it's up to chance.

  • IUfanPurduePhD

    A fantastic response.

  • Kelin Blab

    I read the Kravitz article and it was one of those articles that make you say….wow this is obvious. I don't think it was a total shot at IU but it was an article that anyone could have written and in fact another guy did the day after.

    What I find most interesting is ……

    + Why does Crean not get credit for his 2009 class, that include 2 of the states top 10 players, and two other kids that were in the top 100 in the country? To pull that off in a year is big time.

    + Why does Matt Painter get a pass on his recruiting. Marquis Teague…not going to Purdue, Deshaun Thomas …not going to Purdue. Derek Elston and Jordan Hulls….not going to Purdue. Painter is a good recruiter but for all the success he has had at Purdue, he has not come close to locking down the state for PU, despite all of IU's trouble. I don't hear Purdue's name mentioned very much with Zeller, Davis, Yogi, DSR, Patterson etc. The class with Hummel, Moore, and Johnson was 3 years ago. Since then….DJ Byrd, Patrick Bade, John Hart, and Kelsy Barlow…..Why does Matt Painter get a pass?

    + Finally….Glenn Robinson…the last Mr. Basketball that went to Purdue. I believe the year was 1991

  • psvirsky

    All good points but the first one is the most important. The '09 class was really good, sets up a great base of players to move forward with and was just plain impressive.

    I get the feeling that if Mo Creek doesn't get injured, we would have won a few more games, Creek would get some national pub, etc. it would be easier to “remember” the '09 class in these articles. The rest of the '09 class was solid and had bright spots but he was clearly the one most ready to contribute freshman year. I absolutely can not wait to see him this year (and we get another game on the east coast! I'll be at the Boston game…)

  • hoosierclarion

    Krapitz has an inferiority complex and it comes out in every article he writes. Demonstrating that fact by the attitude he is writing on a subject because he is the only one to have figured it out.

  • http://twitter.com/RRanney1 Robert Ranney

    I seem to recall Terry Hutchens being unimpressed by Purdue's 2007 commits in comparison to their IU counterparts, noting that outside of Moore the Baby Boilers were either projects (JJ) or merely serviceable role players (Martin & Hummel). A few years from now this article will look every bit as foolish for criticizing Hale, Carroll, Hopkins, and Fromm.

    Big picture IU (the coaches, the media, and the fans) just seems to be learning absolutely nothing from how Purdue and Butler got to where they are. Yes, the Boilers did on occassion swing for the fences and come up short, however they largely stocked up on local kids who showed solid potential. Butler didn't set their sites even that high, as they immediately targetted kids that they knew they could get and focused more on making sure they landed the right fit. Both schools did land the occassional out of state recruit, but the focus was certainly on building on midwestern talent, preferably in-state.

    Like his 2 predecessors, Crean only seems to prioritize in-state kids if they are can't miss talents, yet he will make big gambles on out of state kids. After all, just which of these 2010 kids even had IU offers on the table? Deshaun Thomas, Russell Byrd, and… that is all. In 2 to 3 years it seems likely Crean will be regarded like Mike Davis in his inability to spot the Indiana kids who'll rocket from 2 or 3 star status into being an NBA level talent just 3 or 4 years later.

    Not sure there is realistically a ton of hope left for 2011, as Davis and Zeller did look like realistic possibilities at one point, but the chances seem to get slimmer the longer their recruitments drag out. 2012 does have the potential to be a program changer, but there too an early commit or two would really seem to be needed in order to get the ball rolling. Not sure Crean even needs to worry about the 2013 class if he doesn't haul in a phenomonal 2012 class, as it seems likely the job wouldn't still be his much longer if he fails in that task.

  • JerryCT

    So who in Indiana has recruited Balt/Wash area better than Crean ? I think they turn out a load of good players and I hope Crean contniues to be a presence there ……………. and Indiana as well.

    Seems like a pretty useless article.

  • Kelin Blab

    Robert, I am not sure you looked at what Butler and Purdue REALLY has in the cupboard….

    + Outside of Howard and Hayward? Who else, in state, does Stevens really have?
    + Do you know these players? Alex Anglin…Grant Leinendecker….Emerson Kampmen (these are the Indiana kids on Butlers bench….. not household names in the state of Indiana)
    +Purdue's last two class have produced, no impact players, and primarily role players? Bade, Barlow, Byrd, and Hart.
    + DeShaun Thomas was committed to OSU before Crean even got there.
    + There is a reason Donnie Hale is going to prep school and it is NOT scholarship issues. Hopkins will not play much next year at Butler given the guy in front of him is a Soph and a helluva player…Nored. He is a nice player but not a game changer at IU, maybe in the Horizon league, not the big ten.
    + Terone Johnson is a stud and will help Purdue alot but until Painter is able to recruit higher level guys like, Mo Creek, Christian Watford….They will continue to be a team of role players for years to come and only get what they have always gotten. Raising banners is not Purdue's goal or Painter would recruit that way…
    + Not sure Crean even needs to worry about the 2013 class….surely you are kidding…..that is from the Mike Davis playbook of how to get destroyed in recruiting.
    +This 2010 class is weak, in comparison to the next three classes.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Phillip-Ross/1359758943 Phillip Ross

    I think Kravitz is a clown and always trying to get a response. I think he wants to be that guy you hate. Its not like Crean hasn't tried to get players from Indy, they just want to play with a successful program.

  • Kelin Blab

    Phil…if you want to sell papers in Indiana..rule #1 write anything about Indiana basketball, moreso something negative….. #2 say anything negative about Peyton Manning. You are 100% correct as to Kravitz attempting to get a big response…..

  • eph521

    I'm not sure I would compare Crean and Davis, at least in terms of recruting Indiana kids. Crean is going all-out in this regard, Davis seemed to recruit outside of the state exclusively. Not sure who Crean will land, but have to believe his efforts will pay off eventually.

  • deedubbadoo

    This is why I stopped listening to 1070 because I couldn't stand Kravitz. He is a pompous ass, and rarely has anything constructive to say. He is turning into a shock journalist to keep people reading, and people wonder why print media is dying. I would much rather come here and talk IU basketball, or go to 18to88 for my Colts football fix. I don't need someone harping on the teams I love constantly. Constructive criticism is always welcomed, and I think we get a lot of that here. However with Kravitz, it's almost always negativity and pessimism, which again is why I listen to 950 instead of 1070 during my commute home from work.

  • http://www.insidethehall.com/ Alex Bozich

    For the record, JMV now occupies the drive-time slot on 1070.

  • deedubbadoo

    Thanks for the heads up Alex, I might swing over tonight and take a listen. Although I am a fan of Schultz as he basically is my age, went to IU the same time I did, and has an all around good show. I am always open to new media outlets though. Thanks again!

  • Kreigh_Smiths_Short_Shorts

    Kravitz is a tool. He frequently writes these types of columns to get a rise out of the Indiana faithful and sell papers. He should be given little, if any, thought or consideration.

  • http://www.insidethehall.com/ Alex Bozich

    Yes, Derek does a nice job. I talk to him from time-to-time. Very nice guy.

  • hoosierclarion

    The two biggest benefits for PU getting to where they are was M. Davis and KS, same for Butler and their being in the Horizon league attracting lower tier high school ballers that IU did not want. Coach Crean's display of evaluating talent that elevates performance to the NBA level can be answered in one word, Wade, and there is no reason to believe Creek, Jones and Watford won't follow. If it is considered failure for IU not getting the likes of Thomas, Teague and Byrd then PU earned the same “F”. Now things are starting to even out again as PU's last two recruiting classes have no one to make headlines. Reading Krapitz shock jock brand of journalism is music to the ears of non- IU fans and you took the bait.

  • hoosierfan2

    Great article Alex!

  • psvirsky

    Along with ITH, 18to88 is the epitome of what a sports blog should be. Intelligent, thought-provoking, measured, passionate and a controlled environment. I read a lot of blogs but I'm getting to the point where I focus on these two (Indy Cornrows is great too but it's tough to maintain year-long interest in the Pacers).

  • IUfanPurduePhD

    The guy is a self-proclaimed Purdue nut… not sure if you're going to get him to admit anything against his team or his recruits (even though I agree with you about Hale and most of their recruits this year; I wish IU could've gotten its mitts on T. Johnson, but as Kravitz pointed out, Painter was recruiting him in the 8th grade).

  • Southern_Indianas_Finest

    I believe that Kravitz and the folks concerned by this article bought into this myth that IU's past success was built on mediocre Indiana born and bred players who overcame more talented teams to get the banners. Indeed, Knight's teams did lack the NBA stars of many other programs. The actual history of the program is much different. Knight's teams, especially in the early days of his tenure, were some of the most talented we've ever had and the Indiana kids on the roster were stars before setting foot in Bloomington. They were then joined by high-level talent from across the US. We all salivate over the Bailey years when we fielded a team with so many Indiana towns mentioned after their names but they were highly sought-after players! I'm just fine with Purdue and Butler getting the second string because I know that as Crean strengthens the program we will keep the players we want in state

  • http://wordpress.com/thefastbreakwiux rct2009

    Are Jordan Hulls/Derek Elston not 3 star prospects who will play 4 years???….

    Imagine IU had a balanced roster, three seniors every year, plus maybe one more every four years. That means that, even with all of the great talent from Indiana, Crean cant get committments from 4 or 5 guys. Especially if he wants the recruits to see that he doesnt run guys off, its better that we not go crazy and think he has to get 5 Indiana recruits or else.

    Instate recruiting is always important, but why does IU have to only get guys from instate? How many players on UNC's National Championship squad were from North Carolina?
    Hansborough? no. Lawson? no. Ellington? no.

    How about Kansas' team in 08? Cole Aldrich? no. Mario Chalmers? no. Sherrod Collins? no….

    Starting to get my point? In this day in age, we should ENCOURAGE Crean (and I'm sure he is doing this anyways) to scout and find basketball players all over the nation. Anyone can play at IU if they are good enough, being from Indiana shouldnt be a discriminatory factor.

    Trust me, IU will enjoy Victor Oladipo next year. He has that hoosier pride we all want to see from our players, doesnt matter that he is from the D.C. area.

  • millzy32

    Dawson is supposed to be as good or better than the others you mention and people think Purdue for him.

  • MillaRed

    At first glance here I thought, “Hmmm, Indy Star. Been there done that. B-o-r-i-n-g.” Don't even go there any more. You are lucky if 1 of 50 comments are actually rsponded to.

    Secondly, after reading the Kravitz column I thought, “What is new information here?” I learned nothing. In fact, if you take time to look over ITH posts over the last 6 months, all of this information is there. It's old news.

    In the bigger picture he is right. Yet we here ITH had this discussion 3 months ago.

    The 2010 class was great.
    THe 2011 class was a little dissappointing. However, do you think the great 2010 class had anything to do with that? Of course it did. Furthermore, we really were only one 5 star away from silencing the critics and barely missed out on a handful of them. Lastly, you don't want to play for IU? Hit the road dude. (Oladipo is a sleeper by the way)
    And then the blatant obvious. If Coach does not get it done in 2012 and 2013 we have a problem on our hands. Once again Mr. Kravitz, OLD news.

    I also agree many of these so called “All-Stars” are nada until they hit the DI floor. Let's see what we “missed out on” when we review it in 2014.

  • Kelin Blab

    You make some excellent points and NO ONE could care less where these kids are from once they put on that Indiana Jersey. I wonder if anyone would care to trade a non Indiana kid like Mo Creek for Kelsy Barlow an Indiana kid from Purdue….The minute Victor Oladipo catches his first alley oop many will forget he is from DC.

  • MillaRed

    OK you have to be a Purdue guy eh? Do you even like the Hoosiers? If not, kinda wondering what you are up to. No worries.

    Purdue is planing on the recruiting front. Not that impressed since the great class and they are suffering from all the PT those kids have eaten up over the years.

    They have a lot coming back next year and guess what? They better get er done because after that things will very much get back to normal in the lovely Hoosier state.

    Butler was fun to watch. They are no longer a secret. The target is officially on their back. I will never see them get to a Final Four again in my lifetime. But I sure did enjoy watching the show.

  • MillaRed

    You make great points but the tradition is there. IU fans love their own kids. The entire Kravitz article was based on that sensitivity. It may handicap us somewhat but not to the point the program majorly or even minorly suffers. Personally I love the Indiana kids too. I was one of them at one time spending hours upon hours perfecting my 32% shooting percentage.

    There is no reason why we can't have 4-5 home grown kids on the roster at all times and land good talent outside of our borders. If anyone has a problem with that then they need to get with the times.

  • MillaRed

    Thank goodness we are not recruiting the state of Connecticut. Those folks out there give me the heebie-jeebies.

  • Kelin Blab

    32% Milla…..wow, were your eyes open…
    I feel better now for being one of those Indiana kids too…you know the 6'1 starting center. True story, I made the front page of my local paper for holding Matt Nover to 10pts.

  • Outoftheloop

    I am not sure why you have not paid attention to the recruitment of Zeller and J Davis. Zeller has CONSISTENTLY stated that he will take all 5 official visits in the fall of 2010 and then decide. There has never been an “up” or a “down”. IU is one of the 5. I think that UNC and Butler are 2 others. Not sure who the last 2 are. J Davis has always said that it is IU or MSU, but he does make statements on Twitter and Facebook to spook those following his recruitment and will toss out TN and Xavier to confuse you. Most of us on this site think that Aaron Thomas is much better than J Davis now. Rivals agrees, Davis was #46 or so and is now #96, while Thomas was not ranked and is now #89. Nothing matters until the NLOI is signed in November-remember Eric Gordan in 2008 and Terrence Jones this year.

  • Outoftheloop

    When you read the article, it makes you ask the question: ” what does the title: 'Crean needs to start getting in-state talent”, have to do with what he actually wrote-which was that winning and time to develop relationships hurt IU recruiting IN kids in 2010?

  • garydavid711

    you are absolutley right on indiana kids buuutt on the national scene very depressing where he could have/should have made up some ground

  • MillaRed

    Between you and me Kelin I may have drained a few three's in my lifetime……. Wasn't a bad 6' point guard myself.

    I have a funny Matt Nover story for you. I'm up here in Madison about ten years ago with 10 buddies. Three of which were in town from Bloomington. We were cooking out (there may have been many beers and cigars involved, can't remember. No I'm serious I can't remember!)

    Anyway, the Badger folks are giving us crap as usual as we're going over Hoosier Hysteria etc. The topic was recent Hossiers that were worth a crap and finally one of the IU guys screams “Matt Nover!”

    The three other Hoosiers to include myself bust out laughing while the other 6 look at us like were nuts. My point is, only IU fans know who the hell Matt Nover is. And we downright loved the guy.

  • MillaRed

    Kelin it seems to me with the last three years we were so fortunate to get that 2009 class. But the fact is no one was in front of them. We have to give them all of the creidt in the world for diving into the quagmire that was IU hoops. Still yet is was immediate playing time that sealed the deal.

    So as a 2010-2011 recruit, you review the current roster.

    PG – Mr Indiana
    SG – Mo Creek, who was on pace to be 1st team Big Ten
    SG – VIII who was honorable mention Big Ten
    PF – Watford, who ain't sitting anytime soon
    PF – Elston coming on strong

    If immediate PT was the selling point is 2009, it just wasn't going to work in 2010. I'm not making excuses. We very well could have landed a good center. But where were they? We are all complaining about missing on guards and wings who clearly had to beat people out to get the PT they coveted.

    I guess at this point, as discussed ITH for many months now, only wins get us to the next level. We just aren't going to have top 50 recruits sitting on the bench under these circumstances.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/F5QEFVJBZUOLIYZSDXASRQF4ZE Finch

    I'd love for Oladipo to be a sleeper but, I shot around with him the other day and his jumpshot is worse than i thought. It's on a line, and for how high he can jump, he gets maybe 3 inches off the ground on his J. It is my experience that when someone loses height on their jumpshot, they arent shooting the ball but, essentially guiding it in. it took him several shots to even hit 1 and even then he hit very very very sparingly. I hope we have a great shooting coach, because as JR showed us this year, you cant use your athleticism well if you can't keep a defender honest with a semi-reliable jumper. That being said, with the J he will be a baller.

  • MillaRed

    Very interesting. Where was this shootaround just curious?

    VO wasn't recruited for his jumpshot. Did anything else stand out or were you just shooting? Did he guard you one on one on the perimeter? Did he challenge your shot on a fast break? Did he gorilla dunk on your noggin?

    There's a little ole PG for the Celtics fighting for an NBA championship tonight. I guarantee you I could outshoot him from 12-20 feet. But it's the other 10 things Rondo does that makes him effective. It's not all about the J!

  • Kelin Blab

    Matt Nover is a legend and should have gotten an Oscar in Blue Chips, which is why I never watch the Oscars.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/F5QEFVJBZUOLIYZSDXASRQF4ZE Finch

    It was in Bloomington. But no, it was just shooting. I will tell you this though, putting on weight we will not have to worry about. He has the body of a college athlete. A legitimate 6'5″ with arms to his knees. Point taken about Rondo. But my point about my previous post was that he would have a monster immediate impact IF he gets his jumper coached up a little bit. (Which touches on recruiting indiana kids a little bit… We learn to shoot jumpshots from birth) VO is definitely a guy that can be physical with anybody who guards him and bully his way to the rim. I also did not have the pleasure of having my “noggin” dunked on, gorilla or otherwise. haha.

  • Kelin Blab

    Finch I believe you, but I heard another story last week at the elite camp, the most impressive player in pick up games was VO, and the coach talked about his jumpshot being pretty good. Could have been an off night with you, lets hope he continues to work at it…

  • http://www.insidethehall.com/ Alex Bozich

    Saw him shoot in the 3-point contest at the Kentucky Derby Festival Classic. Didn't get much lift, but he could knock it down.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/F5QEFVJBZUOLIYZSDXASRQF4ZE Finch

    It was after the Elite Camp, so that makes sense if he had just lost his legs. Hadn't thought of that.

  • fat lewie

    Bob Kravitz is trying to sells newspapers. Tom Crean is trying to rebuild IU basketball. Recognize the difference.

  • stonaroni

    Everyone seems to forget that Elston was leaning heavily on the Boilers until Crean came calling in 2008. Sampson had an interest in Elston but Crean is the one who kept Elston from attending Purdue.

    Did Kravitz mention that?

    I am not sure what Anderson's HS coach has to do with his article in the Star either. Who really cares that he was an asst at Ball State or Illinois State and what does that have to do with in-state recruiting?

    So Painter knew Johnson in 8th grade. Who cares? They forged a relationship and it worked. How many kids commit in 8th, 9th or 10th grade? What if Johnson would have had Duke, UNC, Kansas, UK, Florida, UCLA, and Tennessee all telling him he was their #1 recruit? Maybe he wouldn't be at Purdue.

    I know this, Johnson would be on the bench at IU this year behind Creek, VJIII, and the third option at best to handle the point. Purdue can keep him.

    At worst IU has Hulls as a JR in 2011 and VJIII as a SR who can share point duties if necessay. We will have VJIII, Creek, VO, Sheehey, Etherington to play the #2 and #3 guard positions and CW to play #3 too. Would we need Johnson?

    Kravitz can go away and all the of the dead weight walk ons we have had the past two years from Indiana will start being full ride talent mixed in with national talent which will result in W's.

  • http://www.insidethehall.com/ Alex Bozich

    Elston was already committed to IU before Crean took over.

  • stonaroni

    Your right Alex, but my point was that he was weighing his options and thought about leaving. In fact I saw something archived on the net recently where he was being interviewed while in hs about Crean coming to IU. He said that he originally thought he would go to Purdue with Sampson leaving and the problems at hand but Crean won him over.

    To me, that is an in state win for Crean.

  • http://www.insidethehall.com/ Alex Bozich

    There's no doubt some re-recruiting took place, but your message stated that Sampson had an interest in Elston. I felt it was worthwhile to point out that a commitment is a bit more serious than just having an interest.

  • Swagger

    Recruiting to make a team stronger is different than recruiting to build a team. IU needs better players at each position. It's tough to get better in a league with as much talent as the Big TEN. PU has recently recruited good players to help out the top six stars who get the most minutes. To be critical of freshmen on a upper class loaded team is way off base. BTW..Hale IS going to prep school because of scholarship numbers and not for academics as some know it all suggested.

  • Calowry

    I disagree about Hopkins. Kid's got mad skills.

  • marcusgresham

    I see multiple holes in your argument. First, I'm not sure who Terry Hutchens is, but everyone I heard seemed to think Hummel was going to be really good.
    Second, I don't think there's any other way Butler could reach the level of success it did–it's a mid-major, and it's relegated to recruiting mid-major level talent and hoping to stumble across diamonds in the rough (i.e., Hayward, who, by his own accounts, thought he'd have a better chance at tennis than basketball when he was in high school.)
    Third, I feel very confident in criticizing Donnie Hale, because I don't think he'll ever amount to anything close to an all-conference performer. As for Fromm, I think if Indiana wanted him they could have gotten him very easily—a Bloomington native who chose Butler over national powerhouses Ohio, Wright State, Miami (OH,) Evansville, IP-Ft. Wayne, Rice, and William & Mary. He would not play at IU—(maybe he should have gone to Purdue.)
    Fourth, Thomas & Byrd were basically locked up before Crean got to Indiana, but it was worth a shot to offer them, wasn't it?
    Fifth, the world doesn't hinge on this year's recruiting class, as there is a top-10 recruiting class entering its sophomore season that should see the bulk of the minutes on the floor this season.

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