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So, what’s the plan for 2011?

by in Recruiting | May 4th, 2010

With Austin Etherington committed and just one scholarship remaining (two if you count the over-sign), the construction of the 2011 recruiting class will be a prime storyline to follow this offseason. Let’s take a deeper dive into whom Indiana is recruiting for this pivotal class:

- Cody Zeller: IU’s need for a versatile big man who can play could be filled by a prospect who resides just 62 miles southwest of Bloomington. The 6-11 Zeller, who led Washington to a 3A state championship with a dominating 20-point, 26-rebound performance, is blossoming into a legitimate five-star prospect. Zeller continues to keep a tight lid on his recruitment and will likely take several official visits in the fall before reaching a decision. Indiana, along with Butler and North Carolina, are considered the schools to beat. If there’s a 2011 recruit Indiana can’t afford to miss out on, it’s the prohibitive favorite for 2011 Mr. Basketball: Cody Zeller.

- Jeremiah Davis: Landing Davis, a powerful 6-3 guard who can play on or off the ball, could actually be better long term for a program trying to establish stability than a one-and-done talent like Marquis Teague. The Muncie Central guard was once considered a Michigan State lean, but Indiana has turned up the heat on Davis and might be the school to beat along with Cincinnati. Davis has talked about rooming with Etherington in college, but is staying the course with his pledge to hold off on a decision until he, in his words, “finds the right fit.” If Zeller is priority No. 1 for IU, Davis is 1A.

- Aaron Thomas: Thomas, a 6-5 scorer from Cincinnati, was named the Cincinnati Metro Athletic Conference Player of the Year as a junior as he averaged 22.1 points per game. He’s yet to receive a scholarship offer from Indiana, but told us last month that he was “pretty high” on the Hoosiers. West Virginia, Michigan, Cincinnati, Louisville and Ohio State are also recruiting Thomas.

- Nic Moore: The 5-9 point guard from Warsaw has yet to receive an offer from a high major school, but that could change quickly if he performs well come July with Spiece Indy Heat. He can flat out score, but needs to work on getting into the lane and dishing off to complete his game. Indiana continues to evaluate Moore, but whether or not that interest blossoms into an offer remains to be seen.

- Other names to keep an eye on: Jarrod Uthoff, a 6-8 forward from Cedar Rapids (IA), recently visited Bloomington and has an IU offer according to Rivals.com. Mitch McGary, a 6-9, 240-pound forward from Chesterton, has drawn interest, but does not have an offer.

- Unlikely, but worth mentioning: Branden Dawson, Damien Leonard and Marshall Plumlee. Dawson, a 6-6 five-star forward from Gary Lew Wallace, is expected to choose from Purdue, Michigan State, Marquette and UCLA in September. Leonard, a five-star guard from Greenville (SC), told TigerIllustrated.com last month that IU was among his top five schools. Meanwhile, Plumlee, who has two older brothers at Duke, reportedly has a top four of the Blue Devils, Michigan, Virginia and Wisconsin.

  • HoosNation

    I agree with that Noreen would be a great fit at IU. There are several players that would be a great fit. But who would you suggest we have, errr i mean, who do you think might transfer to open up these schollys?

  • Outoftheloop

    A 2011 Class of Etherington, J Davis and Zeller would be GREAT! Do it Tom Crean!

  • BFowler

    After reading that (and thanks for the tip), it makes me think he did not think he would see the floor at IU. Especially reading the last paragraph. It's not like UCLA was one piece away (14-18 last year in the weak Pac-10), he saw a team that needed guards and went there.

  • BFowler

    Although I am not a coach at IU, I would like Cody and JD with Etherington in IU's 2010 class. I am a big fan of getting Indiana kids to come to Indiana University. The schollies will work themselves out. The bad thing is, I like pretty much everybody on the roster for their roles. I would hate to see anyone go……..I really think they can get better and win some games. I realize that we have to get better or better players to win games, but I really think we were close until that devastating loss to Purdue………I really like Dawson as well, explosive athlete (which this team lacks)……….I really believe we need a lane closer on defense. A shot blocker needs to emerge to make little guards from Iowa afraid to drive the lane…….I also hope both Negedu and Offut come as well……It will all work out……This is going to be a LONG off-season.

  • JerryCT

    I hate to have transfers at all . They usually end up causing negative PR , which is the last thing we need ….. especially if we are “selling” how Cook Center and our training staff can develop a player.

    As Alex says, these things have a way of working themselves out.

  • http://twitter.com/amr120402 Anthony Ritter

    The recruiting presence for us in the region isn't good. I'm from there and guys I went to school with like hummel never even really considered IU. It isn't that the players think IU is a bad school or anything it is just that Purdue from a young age has much more of a presence mainly because of location. Very rarely do players of any sport from there dream of going to IU. However, I do think it is something that can be changed as our program turns things around!

  • JerryCT

    BFowler – as my son's old little league coach, Meatloaf, was fond of saying “you took the words right out of my mouth ” ………. ok , no jokes about how it “must have been while I was kissing you “.

    More than a shot blocker lets start with some perimeter defense from Jones/Hulls so the blocker is not needed so much.

  • Kelin Blab

    Would anyone be happy with a class of Davis, Etherington, Thomas?
    Would this take some of heat off Crean recruiting and getting the big fish?

    For me…the answer to the first question is YES and the second is NO!

  • creanfan

    So “bigger and better targets” won't see IU as a sub-par team coming off a combined 16 win season in the last 2 years? Purdue got Moore, Hummel and Martin when they were bad (sub-par) and in transition from Keady to Painter. IU has MUCH better facilities and a stronger fan base. I understand Dawson has no interest in IU, my point is “why not”

  • GFDave

    I guess I wouldn't be all that thrilled. The current class doesn't have any bigs, at least for now, and so this scenario would leave us w/o bigs for two consecutive classes. Given that it takes time to develop big kids, I think we need to keep landing them year after year to keep the pipeline to the starting lineup open.

    If Negedu is cleared to play and Noreen is signed, then maybe some of that sting is mitigated.

  • http://www.insidethehall.com/ Alex Bozich

    I think Zeller is the most important recruit since Crean arrived a little over two years ago. He's 60 miles down the road, can really play and IU needs a big man. He might not be as strong as he needs to be at this point, but he's going to be a very good college player.

  • http://www.prinsportsblog.com BGleas

    Good question Kelin. I think for that class, and basically losing Zeller, to take the heat off Crean a lot would have to happen. One of JDavis or Thomas would have to miraculously vault into a 5* by next season and both Negadu and Noreen would have to not only sign, but excel IMO for losing Zeller to not adversely affect CTC in the fan bases eyes.

  • http://www.prinsportsblog.com BGleas

    Were you looking at the headline on the ESPN Basketball Recruiting page that reads “Davis Takes Indiana”?

    That article is about Anthony Davis playing well at the AAU event that was in Indiana recently. Hopefully you're talking about a different headline :)

  • marcusgresham

    I know Zeller's thin, and I've even said it myself previously that I don't know how that frame will hold up, but one advantage I think he may have is that he's spent his whole life playing against guys who are bigger than he is (in his own driveway, and what older brothers take it easy on the “little kid”) and he may have a better idea of how to play down low against strength/height that we give him credit for when all anyone's seen is his HS competition. Washington's even had a few other guys 6'8″ or taller recently (Steve Bouchie's son was one of them,) so I'd assume there's been some competition at the Hatchet House in summer pickup games, too.

  • IUfanPurduePhD

    Agreed, winning will turn things around in “the region.” From my understanding, Denim Shirt never seriously pursued Hummel or any of those kids, so maybe–with winning/time–Crean will be able to make some inroads.

  • JerryCT

    Kelin:

    I think Thomas is an essential component since we could be thin on scorers by then and he may be a more versatile scorer than Creek. I donto think a center is essential in Crean's style.

    So I agree YES and of course I also agree NO that will not take the heat off. Only winning will do that

  • BFowler

    Jerry, I agree with your assessment on the perimeter defense as well; and I was trying to think about what makes great “teams” great, and I think if you fear driving the lane then you are going to pull up for short jumpers (not usually anyone's game except VJ III and Calbert Cheaney) or be intimidated. Sure you could make a case for Butler's “team” defense, and that wins, but when you have Kent Benson, Ray Tolbert, Uwe Blab, Dean Garrett, Alan Henderson, Jeff Newton, Jared Jeffries, or I'll even take George Leach in the lane intimidating people, you will have better perimeter defense because they would not fear getting beaten to the hoop so much, therefore getting into shooters and making them uncomfortable on their shots leading to lower shooting percentages and better defense. I think the shot blocker makes the perimeter defenders better.

  • garyindiana

    sorry to state the obvious, but i say that because i get the feeling that none of these kids are really considering IU. i think that they like crean but don't want to take a chance at playing at a ten win program.

  • Outoftheloop

    Yes to both questions. But I would be much happier with Etherington, J Davis and Zeller!

  • Outoftheloop

    We can not sign both Negedu AND Noreen, we only have 1 scholarship to give. I am strongly opposed to “running off” anyone this year! If we get Negedu, or Noreen, or Michel plus Offutt, then I am very happy for 2010 recruiting! We need 3 scholarships for 2011 so we can take Etherington, J Davis and Zeller (or Thomas if need be). Then I would be very happy with 2011 recruiting!

  • Outoftheloop

    If you first set out to sign, and do sign, 2 players for a recruiting class when you have only 1 scholarship then available for that class, and subsequently someone transfers who had not publicly stated that they were thinking of transferring, then I call that “running them off”. If, on the other hand, someone actually announces that they intend to transfer and then you offer a scholarship to a player for that open scholarship, I would call that a “transfer”. There is a BIG DIFFERENCE and everyone in and around the program knows if the player “transferred” or was “run off”. No one, outside of KY, likes or respects a program where good kids with mediocre basketball performances are routinely “run off”.

  • Diesel

    1) Yes! Although a big man would be nice, it would present a solid class, and we could always JUCO/transfer a big in later if needed. We still aren't finished with the 2010, so a big may present there too. Getting another Indiana kid is a must!

    2) No. The “big fish” has a 5 star beside his name, so unless Zeller is on board (recently ranked #29 by Maxpreps.com), it's doubtful we'll get a five star and the pundits will bring the heat.

    Kelin, what part of the state are you from?

  • Hardwood Wizard

    Why would we even need Thomas when We have Sheehey in 2010 and Etherington in 2011? Nic Moore is 5'9″…..he is not JDavis insurance. JDavis insurance would be landing Yogi in 2012.

    Nic Moore is a hard worker and good player, just not Big 10 material. He would be good at IPFW, IUPUI, Ball State, etc.

    Nic Moore isn't as good as Yogi or Dee Davis.

    Plumlee….see ya later.

    JDavis, Etherington and Zeller are a must for 2011, I agree

  • http://www.prinsportsblog.com BGleas

    Nobody said anything about “running off”. Players transfer, it happens all the time to every program, doesn't mean a kid got run off. I agree that it would be ideal to bring in 3 players for 2011, especially if it's Ethrington, JDavis and Zeller. That would be a fantastic class, and I agree that we should probably be set with adding Negadu and Offutt to 2010.

  • Hardwood Wizard

    But not recruiting wise for basketball. Kelin is correct.

  • Hardwood Wizard

    I don't think we need Thomas. First of all, there is a reason he doesn't have an offer yet.

    But secondly, in 2011-2012 we will have Creek, VJIII, Sheehey, and Etherington who can all play the 2/3 position. Thomas will make the 5th guy to fit into that mix. WE NEED POWER AND HEIGTH ON THE BLOCKS AND BOARDS!!!!!!

    No, there would still be pressure to land the big fish, but a top 20 ranking by the end of 2011-2012 season, it should become easier for CTC to get the in-state big fish as well as one or two nationally.

  • Casey

    I thought that Hummel was one of the recruits that denim shirt made quite a few impermissible phone calls to…

  • hoosierodi

    Thomas is very talented and can score the ball. The reason he might not have a scholarship is because i believe grades was a problem with him before, but i heard he has been working on them recently. This could be the reason otherwise I dont know. Either way i would be glad to have him if he gets the grades situation straitened out which i think he is.

  • IUfanPurduePhD

    Seeing as how Denim Shirt made *hundreds* of impermissible calls, it's not unlikely that a few of them may have gone to Hummel

  • cooper

    Living in Florida I can tell you its the same here. SEC country is not basketball country, save a few guys.

  • http://www.insidethehall.com/ Alex Bozich

    I think Zeller is the most important recruit since Crean arrived a little over two years ago. He's 60 miles down the road, can really play and IU needs a big man. He might not be as strong as he needs to be at this point, but he's going to be a very good college player.

  • Taskmaster75

    A bunch of Indiana guys when Indiana still had Mike Davis and Notre Dame basketball was still…..Notre Dame basketball. They were the only real option to recruits that wanted to go In-state. Purdue had the tradition on their hands, and they had, while still a mediocre coach, a good recruiter.

    Crean, however, had a Notre Dame program on the rise, a Purdue program with a core that was top 10 in the country, and a Butler program that always has a spectacular record in the conference nowadays. Not to mention out of state powers like OSU and MSU nearby, and you have the makings of a hard as hell recruiting job.

  • Outoftheloop

    If you first set out to sign, and do sign, 2 players for a recruiting class when you have only 1 scholarship then available for that class, and subsequently someone transfers who had not publicly stated that they were thinking of transferring, then I call that “running them off”. If, on the other hand, someone actually announces that they intend to transfer and then you offer a scholarship to a player for that open scholarship, I would call that a “transfer”. There is a BIG DIFFERENCE and everyone in and around the program knows if the player “transferred” or was “run off”. No one, outside of KY, likes or respects a program where good kids with mediocre basketball performances are routinely “run off”.

  • http://www.prinsportsblog.com BGleas

    Players transfer all the time. Why does it matter when they publicly announce it? You never know when a player is going to decide to transfer. I played D2 and even at that level I don't think there was a season where at least 1 scholarship players didn't leave with eligibility still on the table, and the players and coaches usually had a good idea of who it would be, even if it hadn't been made public yet. A coach is doing the program a disservice by not continuing to recruit hard.

    Let me throw out a scenario and see where you'd stand:

    Say JDavis commits tomorrow and takes IU's final 2011 scholly. Then on Friday Zeller calls CTC and says “Coach I want to be a Hoosier”. Would you expect CTC to respond with “Sorry Cody, we're out of scholarships, best of luck”?

    What if the next day Pritchard announces he's transferring, but Cody has already called up Roy Williams or Brad Stevens and committed? The we're stuck with some 6-10 JUCO that averaged 6 pts and 4 rebs. Would you give Crean a pass on losing Zeller in that scenario? Heck no, the Big Ten allows 1 over-sign and Crean should take full advantage of it.

  • cooper

    Living in Florida I can tell you its the same here. SEC country is not basketball country, save a few guys.

  • kristheboss

    Does anyone else think that CTC needs to just get in the ear of the Indiana Elite coach in the most legal way possible and let him know that IU will gladly accept and play early that starting squad?? JDavis, CZeller, Ferrel looks way better than I remember when he was younger but he's developing, Plumlee, and we already have etherington.
    Just add Ron Patterson (IMO most talented Indy player in 2012) and Perea and the other big thats going to be a package w/ him and IU's looking good.

  • Taskmaster75

    A bunch of Indiana guys when Indiana still had Mike Davis and Notre Dame basketball was still…..Notre Dame basketball. They were the only real option to recruits that wanted to go In-state. Purdue had the tradition on their hands, and they had, while still a mediocre coach, a good recruiter.

    Crean, however, had a Notre Dame program on the rise, a Purdue program with a core that was top 10 in the country, and a Butler program that always has a spectacular record in the conference nowadays. Not to mention out of state powers like OSU and MSU nearby, and you have the makings of a hard as hell recruiting job.

  • http://www.prinsportsblog.com BGleas

    Players transfer all the time. Why does it matter when they publicly announce it? You never know when a player is going to decide to transfer. I played D2 and even at that level I don't think there was a season where at least 1 scholarship players didn't leave with eligibility still on the table, and the players and coaches usually had a good idea of who it would be, even if it hadn't been made public yet. A coach is doing the program a disservice by not continuing to recruit hard.

    Let me throw out a scenario and see where you'd stand:

    Say JDavis commits tomorrow and takes IU's final 2011 scholly. Then on Friday Zeller calls CTC and says “Coach I want to be a Hoosier”. Would you expect CTC to respond with “Sorry Cody, we're out of scholarships, best of luck”?

    What if the next day Pritchard announces he's transferring, but Cody has already called up Roy Williams or Brad Stevens and committed? The we're stuck with some 6-10 JUCO that averaged 6 pts and 4 rebs. Would you give Crean a pass on losing Zeller in that scenario? Heck no, the Big Ten allows 1 over-sign and Crean should take full advantage of it.

  • kristheboss

    Does anyone else think that CTC needs to just get in the ear of the Indiana Elite coach in the most legal way possible and let him know that IU will gladly accept and play early that starting squad?? JDavis, CZeller, Ferrel looks way better than I remember when he was younger but he's developing, Plumlee, and we already have etherington.
    Just add Ron Patterson (IMO most talented Indy player in 2012) and Perea and the other big thats going to be a package w/ him and IU's looking good.

  • Outoftheloop

    We already KNOW that if we take 3 players for 2011: Etherington, J Davis, and Zeller, (and that is what I want), that we will have to “run off” 2 existing scholarship holders to accommodate them! That is why we should not “run off” players for 2010 for marginal recruits. We were talking about 2010! Recruiting for 2012, with a big group of talented potential recruits that we want, coupled with the big group of scholarships that will NOT be available until 2013 recruits, will pose even more “running off” decisions. This will create much ill will and justified criticism. If you want and beg a high school player to join your “family”, that must be a binding and long term commitment, subject only to the hard work on the court, academic and personal behavior issues they agreed to. The head coach is “the talent evaluator”, and must live and die with his decisions. I do not want to have IU adopt the method of operating we see at KY: “Well kid you did everything we asked, but you just are not good enough-sorry, but no scholarship next year, I have a top 10 guy on the phone.”

  • Outoftheloop

    We are pretty close to agreeing. I would actually be happy with either Negedu, or Noreen, or Michel, but only one of them plus Offutt for 2010.

  • http://www.prinsportsblog.com BGleas

    First, scholarships are not a binding long term commitment. Scholarships are renewed on a yearly basis, the player actually has to re-sign every season. The fact of the matter is that coaches and players move on all the time in every program. Have their been cases of “running off” in some programs? Yes, but the vast majority of the time it's either a mutual parting or actually the players decision.

    With that knowledge, the coach would be doing his program a disservice by not continuing to recruit and secure players and not utilizing the over-sign which is approved by the Big Ten.

    Again, what would you say if CTC turned down a Zeller commitment this fall because there wasn't a scholarship available and then after next season Bawa announces he's transferring and IU ends up with some JUCO stiff because Zeller committed elsewhere? I'd bet you'd be furious that we lost Zeller.

  • http://www.prinsportsblog.com BGleas

    Totally agree. I think a Negadu-Offutt addition to VO and Sheehey would be great and that CTC should close the class with that and not add another scholarship to it.

  • Outoftheloop

    We already KNOW that if we take 3 players for 2011: Etherington, J Davis, and Zeller, (and that is what I want), that we will have to “run off” 2 existing scholarship holders to accommodate them! That is why we should not “run off” players for 2010 for marginal recruits. We were talking about 2010! Recruiting for 2012, with a big group of talented potential recruits that we want, coupled with the big group of scholarships that will NOT be available until 2013 recruits, will pose even more “running off” decisions. This will create much ill will and justified criticism. If you want and beg a high school player to join your “family”, that must be a binding and long term commitment, subject only to the hard work on the court, academic and personal behavior issues they agreed to. The head coach is “the talent evaluator”, and must live and die with his decisions. I do not want to have IU adopt the method of operating we see at KY: “Well kid you did everything we asked, but you just are not good enough-sorry, but no scholarship next year, I have a top 10 guy on the phone.”

  • Outoftheloop

    We are pretty close to agreeing. I would actually be happy with either Negedu, or Noreen, or Michel, but only one of them plus Offutt for 2010.

  • http://www.prinsportsblog.com BGleas

    First, scholarships are not a binding long term commitment. Scholarships are renewed on a yearly basis, the player actually has to re-sign every season. The fact of the matter is that coaches and players move on all the time in every program. Have their been cases of “running off” in some programs? Yes, but the vast majority of the time it's either a mutual parting or actually the players decision.

    With that knowledge, the coach would be doing his program a disservice by not continuing to recruit and secure players and not utilizing the over-sign which is approved by the Big Ten.

    Again, what would you say if CTC turned down a Zeller commitment this fall because there wasn't a scholarship available and then after next season Bawa announces he's transferring and IU ends up with some JUCO stiff because Zeller committed elsewhere? I'd bet you'd be furious that we lost Zeller.

  • http://www.prinsportsblog.com BGleas

    Totally agree. I think a Negadu-Offutt addition to VO and Sheehey would be great and that CTC should close the class with that and not add another scholarship to it.

  • http://www.insidethehall.com/ Alex Bozich

    Nope.

  • martinie

    What about Michael Chandler? Doesn't he make the “Unlikely but worth mentioning” list?

  • martinie

    What about Michael Chandler? Doesn't he make the “Unlikely but worth mentioning” list?

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