Wait, they really have a 4:16 a.m., too?

  • 03/15/2010 4:22 am in

Update (7:45 p.m. by Alex Bozich)According to our friend John Decker over at Hoosier Nation, a decision will not come today from Moses Abraham. “Probably not today,” Abraham told Decker of a timetable for a decision. “It might be this week, or I might wait until next week. I’m not sure.”

Update (3:00 p.m. by Alex Bozich) — The new “target time” for a decision for Abraham is 7 p.m. this evening, according to Dustin Dopirak of The Herald-Times. At this point, I have no idea what to make of this whole situation, so I’ll just sit back and let Moses work his magic.

Update (10:27 a.m. by Zachary Osterman) — Just a little bit of extra news on the Abraham front. According to a source familiar with the whole situation, the reason Abraham has yet to decide is because IU is making a strong late pitch. The source would not elaborate on with whom exactly Abraham has been in contact, though it was reported yesterday that Tom Crean would be in the Washington, D.C., area.

Whomever he might be talking to is selling Indiana hard enough to make Abraham push back his decision and give them extended consideration. Keep in mind that the contact period for the spring recruiting window begins tomorrow, so if Abraham extends this decision to at least that point, then Indiana is allowed in-person contact with him, as opposed to just phone calls.

Update (8:43 a.m. by Alex Bozich) — Moses Abraham did not choose a school last night, says Dustin Dopirak of The Herald-Times. According to Dustin’s source, which is likely the same one we’ve been using, “Indiana is doing a great job” in the recruitment of Abraham. The source adds that Abraham will speak to Tom Crean again this morning, but that a timetable for a decision is “up to Moses.”

It is 4:16 a.m., and I have finally arrived home in Goshen.

I am tired. Very tired. Incredibly tired. Hands-shaking, world-spinning, can’t-spell-words-anymore tired. I am not sure how I made it home from my drive, except to say that listening to Outkast, Tom Waits, The Band, Alan Jackson, Bruce Springsteen, Ludacris, Fleet Foxes, Arcade Fire, the Boomtown Rats and a whole host of other good tunes probably kept me going.

That and the UFO that chased me for several miles. No seriously, right outside Rochester. It was terrifying.

I stopped for recaffeination and leg-stretchery in Logansport and Argos. I downed a large cup of coffee and two bottles of Vault. (Which, by the way, is actually just Surge, renamed. And I loved Surge. It was great.)

I had some scintillating political and philosophical discussion with my traveling companion. It was the potted daisy pictured below:

It’s a gift from my mother to my girlfriend. Do not fear, daisy lovers, I did not make it ride sideways. The picture is just tilted 90 degrees.

As you can see, I had quite an eventful ride home. I did not, however, touch base with the Moses Abraham camp, despite calls and texts and voicemails left. I was not the only one to try either. As best I can tell, the H-T and Peegs also came up short, although the IDS did have an update literally several hours ago saying Abraham might not make his decision until tomorrow. (During awake-people time tomorrow, not this time tomorrow.) I am now guessing that is what will occur.

In truth, it’s easy to understand why Abraham is taking his time — you’ll recall he’s already pushed this decision back once. I know his adviser, Joe Boncore, has spoken in the past about Abraham’s positive impression of IU’s rebuilding effort, and his desire to visit Bloomington if possible.

The Hoosiers are one of just two schools he is considering, a source told Inside the Hall yesterday, so he might want an extra day or two to keep sorting things out. These really are important decisions — ones that will impact the rest of a young person’s life — and so it is perfectly understandable that this one is not being rushed.

That said, I am finally checking out. We will, of course, try to follow up on this when it’s regular morning instead of really, really ridiculously early morning, and keep you updated as much as we can.

I myself must go regenerate for my trip to New Orleans to cover Notre Dame in the NCAA tournament, (I wish you could come too, Chronic) a trip which I will likely be making by car. So I need sleep. Badly.

Until tomorrow/whenever I wake up, friends.

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  • slojoe

    Careful where you put that potted plant Zach. Some of them around the IU basketball program have been known in the past to just take off and fly around the room and crash!

  • Jackson Byam

    if we get moses I'm blacking out so hard i dont remember the past 2 seasons. God bless.

    Tom Pritchard

  • Josh

    AND Matt Carlino and Austin Etherington

  • tberry

    “The Hoosiers are one of just two schools he is considering, a source told Inside the Hall yesterday, so he might want an extra day or two to keep sorting things out. These really are important decisions — ones that will impact the rest of a young person’s life — and so it is perfectly understandable that this one is not being rushed.”

    If he doesn't know now, he will never know. He really just likes the attention that stringing people along gets him. Don't get me wrong. That doesn't make him bad or different from all the other sought after kids. You don't hear this type of thing from the good but not great because they are glad to be offered and to be part of a team and program that will make them better rather than them joining a program as a star playing with supporting teammates.

  • MillaRed

    Hey, 12 hours ago we were reading about how Moses was here and and there hanging out with Patrick Ewing and buying a bulldog pup (the team mascot.) We all were expecting him to be a Hoya this morning.

    This is good news people. We are what? Two years behind GTown in this recruiting? We can use every extra day we can muster.

    Take your time kid. We are rooting for you in Hoosier land.

  • Taskmaster75

    I disagree with this. Georgetown and Indiana aren't the same university. This guy probably has NBA intentions, but I don't think he's stupid. He's looking at the academics to see what the schools offer, and is weighing them. Indiana is a BIG school, whereas Georgetown has about 9-14 thousand. It's a hell of a choice, and he can talk all the time he needs.

  • spiderman0551

    I doubt this kid is a jaded as most American kids with the recruiting process. I think he has probably gotten more attention in the last 4 months than he's had in his life but to say he's stringing people along is absurd. He has a lot of people trying to sell him on their school and I'm sure a ton of kids in his ear giving them their 2 cents worth as well. It's a big decision that requires a lot of attention to detail. Coming here would be a huge gamble for this kid, one that I think will pay off and I hope he comes.

  • CutterInChicago

    Seeing that Daisy reminded me of when HAL 9000's logic is removed by Dave in 2001 and HAL began singing “Daisy” which, judging by Zachary's post, sounds apropos.

    Let's get Moses and stop wandering the desert…


  • Zach – Glad you have your priorities straight and put safety first with the plant. Your mother should be proud.

  • spiderman0551

    C'mon Coach Crean, sell our program!!!!!! Get this kid commited!!!!!!

  • Thanks for the continual updates!

  • Kelin Blab

    Thanks for the updates guys….decided to go to sleep instead of spending the night with Moses and the rest of you guys…..nothing personal. BUT looks like my evening has been planned out already.

    Prediction…If moses doesn't decide today and can meet with Crean tomorrow, I think IU is in not good but great shape

  • it's Indiana

    Zach – good picture of the plant for your “girlfriend.” Is she the one that lives in Canada which is why we never see her?

  • I Bleed Crimson

    Man I am hoping MO commits to IU. We do need a big man. I am nervous though that he may not want to break his relationship with the Georgetown coaches. If we could add some muscle and all around athleticism at each postion then we may look like some of those other teams I always see on ESPN and wonder IU kids never look like that. Here is hoping that next year is the first we can truly start to say that Indiana is back on the map.

  • spiderman0551

    Just got a e-mail with an update on a commitment, got a little excited….but it was for a 1 star linebacker……..Damn, my bad for being excited. We need this talented big kid. The forum on the Indiana Scout website is up to 29 pages for the subject of this kid coming to IU…we don't need anymore disappointment in Hoosier land.

  • GFDave

    IMO our chances are definitely improving. It looks like Crean has convinced Mo to wait until the two of them can talk in person. I think Crean made a big impression on him by coming here to DC before the no-contact period had expired. Doing that made sort of an “unconditional love” statement.

  • opt21360

    I really dont know who to believe about this Abraham kid, In todays Washington Post they have the 2 schools as Georgetown and Maryland. Very little talk of I U


    Think maybe Crean said ” it's only another day or so and you owe it to yourself to at least come and see what you might be missing and if then you decide to go some where else then no hard feelings and good luck ” If we can get him on campus and let Crean talk to him in person (and show him the shiny new practice facility) maybe he can see the possibilities that are there for him and understand that him coming here could very possibly be the start of the more highly talented players signing on with us which would in turn do nothing but help him in long run. If this was to happen it could secure his position in IU history as one of the guys that got us over the hump and back to revelancy.

    Bottom line though is he has to first sign on with us and then he has to be able to deliver when he laces them up and gets on the court and there is no guarantee that he, or any other kid as far as that goes, will be able to deliver the way we think they can. However there is the case to be made that some have a lot better chance of being able to deliver and I believe Moses is one that has a way way above average chance of being able to give us what we think he can. Moses come and be a part of something special that you will cherish for the rest of your life.

  • spiderman0551

    I agree with what you have said here. However, something has made this kid think about what he wants to do. I've read the same things about Maryland and Georgetown, but those are papers from out east too. Who would have IU in contention for much of anything? The fact that Coach Crean is supposedly in the DC area makes me think there may be some things happening. The Hoya fan website is not quite as hyped as we are about this kid, but look at the state of their program compared to ours. Most of the posters want him to come, seems like they think he's gonna be good, but they have a good team already with plenty of good big men to go around.

  • aceman07

    I agree! The closer it gets to Midnight tonight/tomorrow morning (16th) the better shape I think IU is in!!! If CTC is making this big of an impact over the phone, logic would say that if he strings this out until the no contact period ends then IU is in great shape!!!

  • aceman07

    Oh . . . tick, tick, tick . . . I said a week ago or so that I had a good feeling about Moses and then followed that up by saying that I had a good feeling about Teague. I used to be a minister and man here's to hoping I'm a prophet!!!

    What would this look like in 2012 when Teague would be a freshman and Moses would be a sophomore?

    Creek – Jr.
    Teague – Fr.
    Jones – Sr.
    Watford -Jr.
    Eston – Jr.
    Moses – So.
    Hulls – Jr.
    Roth – Sr.
    Capo – Jr.
    Oladipo – So.
    Sheehey – So.
    Bawa – Jr.

    and more . . . that's a pretty athletic team with some bigs and good guard play with the possibility of still adding a Zeller or Plumlee and more!!!

    This could be a really, really good day and sign of things to come for CTC and IU or another disappointment! Man, what a roller coaster!

  • opt21360

    spiderman- For the same reasons u give about the east coast papers, the same thing applies here. Thats why i said- I don't know who to believe. But on the other hand, i am a little surprised that the artictcal does say the kid seems to communicate well with coach Tom Crean of Indiana

  • kesims

    Im so tired from staying up all night. I was expecting to wake up and see a decision for the hoyas by now. The fact that he is taking his time and Crean is in the DC area only bodes well for us. Looks like it might be another long night. I am anticipating a 12:00 a.m. crean abraham meeting with the decision to come afterwards early tomm morning.

    This kid could be a game changer. Throw him down low and hopefully have an improved bawa playing behind him to also block shots and rebound. Then you have capo and pritchard manning the 4 with a little elston. Then Watford can move to the 3 with a little elston and VO there. And then MO/VJ3/ sheehey/ROTH/Hulls alitlle VO. Having a big man than can finish and demand attention will open up the lane for our dribble drive offense and hopefully rivers will flourish as well as hulls in this position. To me thats sounds like a much deeper and better defensive team next year.

    Add another year of experience and a BA point guard like Marquis teague and I think we could compete for big ten championship in 2011

    I like the sound of Abraham, Watford, Creek, VJ3, and Teague starting five.

  • OhioHoosier

    What about Carlino and Etherington?

  • trillman88

    i have read a lot of people talking about IU's future roster and possible player combos.. but i dont see Creek being here after next year, unless his knee isnt back at full strength. If he has a year like he started this past season he is goin to the league… before his injury he was being considered a second round pick.. if bawa transfers like people think he may, and creek goes pro that class is down to 5 schollies by their jr year

  • dougy

    we dont have abraham or teague……………………………………….lol

  • aceman07

    I said “and more”. I got tired of thinking after staying up so late last night, but yes, both of you are right. I think Carlino is going to be good and there's definitely potential with Etherington but he may be between positions a bit.

  • aceman07

    I disagree. He and his family have said previously that he loves CTC and is a four year guy so I tend to think that with his sort of frail frame he would at least be a three year guy.

  • GFDave

    With the inclusion of Carlino and Etherington on this list, we are 1 player over the scholly limit. Something has to give for us to haul in our share of the good 2012 players.

  • DJ5

    The Washington Post article is more of a circular reasoning type of guess at where he will go, as G'town has always been the leader and has an AAU connection to DC Assault, while Boncore has a longer professional relationship with Rob Eshan.

    On the otherhand, the IU/G'town final two report comes from a text message from Boncore, according to “sources.” Obviously, these could all be wrong, but the Washington Post article is more supposition other than reporting a news update on the recruitment.

  • Bryan

    Add Pritchard to the list, and you're really over by two. This is nothing new – IU will face some hard choices down the line in terms of recruiting and balancing out scholarships, given how large the 2009 class was.

  • it's Indiana

    That's a roster that can win the Big Ten and go DEEP in the tournament. Damn you Aceman! This is hard enough as it is! 😉

  • DowningV

    Driving Miss Daisy-

    Is bobble-head Alford now your dashboard Jesus? Best way to get rid of UFO's is to play UFO..Lights Out in London…good tune.

    I have some great stories about Luke Harangody's dad.

  • eph521

    anxiously awaiting an update… it's been 4 hours! just kidding.

  • o7akid

    I am very proud. And, he really does have a girlfriend. I've met her and she's nice and quite pretty…just to dispel any rumors suggesting otherwise.

  • IUgolfer

    I was reading some of the Georgetown blogs and I found ti pretty interesting. Apparently no one in DC understands IU’s history and that we are in a rebuilding stage but whatever. Also someone came up with the nickname Creepy Crean. I’m not sure what I think of that but I also found that interesting.

    You can see what they are saying for yourselves:


    I hope Moses comes here, but if he doesn’t it’s not the end of the world. IU did get in late on his recruiting after all…

  • GreatPumpkin

    Heed my call…Moses in candystripes at 7PM.

    So says the great pumpkin.

  • tyguyhunt

    7 is actually not good at all. why not just wait til tomorrow when he could actually meet with crean? 7 says he has made up his mind and it's gtown IMO. i hope i'm wrong though!

  • OhioHoosier

    How does everyone feel about that situation? Obviously I want to put the the most competitive team on the court but I don't like shoving kids out because we need scholarships or reneging on scholarship offers because someone better comes along…

  • Hoosier76


    Someone could have already posted this video of the DeMatha vs. Gonzaga game from 3/9/10, but if not I thought you might want to take a look at the team VO plays for.

    I am not saying these guys should be priority number one, but Quinn Cook and Mikael Hopkins should be looked into for 2011. If the recruits we are going after right now for 2011 are not biting, which I still hope they do, CTC should look into these guys.

    Just trying to keep my mind off of a possible disappoint…I still got faith

  • hoooooosier

    yea i like them too but quin cook and hopkins are both highly valued guys that are getting alot of attention, especially cook hes been on the radar of many progams sense his sophmore year

  • kesims

    Crean is back in bloomington. doesnt look like there will be any face to face meeting tomm. He is tweeting about how amazing the new facility so that was probably a selling point. Sounds like he has said all he can to MA and we should actually find out tonight

  • HoosierFromCT

    Decision to come in less then hour? this according to ITH's twitter

  • a501

    Can you tell us what the article says about where he stands decision wise?

  • marsh21

    Creek is no where near the NBA even after a full year. i think we are safe with him for two full years.

  • marsh21

    So the 7:45 pm update is great news for IU. If we learn of an upcoming visit then I like our chances a lot! If he was a G-town lock then the decision should have been made already.

    I will also say every day that passes without a scheduled visit hurts more than helps.

    MA the second you step on IU's campus consider yourself a star!!! The starting position is a lock!

  • aceman07

    I agree that if he visits then we are golden and if he doesn't then that's probably not a great sign but CTC did get him to wait until after they could meet so that's great news!!!