Hoosiers show lack of pride in blowout loss at Wisconsin

Dan Dakich summed up Indiana’s effort Saturday afternoon at the Kohl Center on the Big Ten Network’s GMC Postgame Show with a concise, direct message.

“Indiana didn’t show up,” Dakich told Dave Revsine immediately following IU’s 83-55 loss. “It was the third straight game. This time they lose by 28. Two previous games by 17. Without much energy, without much pride.”

The humiliating loss, IU’s sixth straight, dropped the Hoosiers to 9-15 overall and 3-9 in the Big Ten. And while the outcome was not unexpected, the lack of resistance Indiana showed from the opening tip was discouraging.

There was no fight. There was no determination. And perhaps most disturbing, the effort on defense was non-existent.

Indiana looked more content to lay down and take a loss than engage in a battle with Wisconsin. And the final score, the worst loss of the season, was indicative of that.

“We’re having a major confidence issue in the sense of playing through anything that is even remotely tough to us right now,” Indiana head coach Tom Crean told Don Fisher on the postgame radio show. “We’ve got to get that mojo back of that toughness that we had.”

The outcome was never in doubt as the Badgers (19-6, 9-4) led by 20 before the second television timeout and shot 53 percent in the first half.

In all, Indiana surrended 10 3-pointers to Wisconsin, led by seven from Jason Bohannon, who scored a career-high 30 points.

“We’re not keeping the dribble in front of us right now,” Crean said. “That’s why we’re trying to play some different things defensively. We’re just not really helping with a purpose. We never got off to a great start with our defense, they got a ton of confidence and we just gave up far too many open shots.”

Indiana also reverted back to early season form in the turnover department, coughing it up 21 times. Wisconsin won the battle on the glass, 33-26, and had 18 assists to just 10 turnovers. Trevon Hughes — 16 points — and Jordan Taylor — 11 points — joined Bohannon in double figures.

Christian Watford scored 15 points to lead Indiana, but shot just 4 of 12. Verdell Jones, battling flu-like symptoms, added 11 points in 33 minutes.

+ Box score

  • tberry

    How about Bob Knight for consultant? Can you imagine what Bobby would have demanded if his teams had played this way?

    Abuse is not required but accountability is required!!!

  • valpohistory

    While all of your points are valid, and I can respect why you feel this way, he is a freshman. I know this might set off a storm but I would like to compare Jordy to one who is very near and dear to a lot of our hearts, in Tom Coverdale. Coverdale was a smart, albeit slow kid who came from a good high school with a good pedigree, but RMK put his butt at the end of the bench and made him redshirt for a year while he learned and got stronger. Ideally, with Jordy, that would be the case but right now, we need all the help we can get! Hopefully, in time, he can develop into the same type of leader that Tom was, and can be the calming force, even with less that ideal skills for the point guard position. Patience, my friends, patience.

  • valpohistory

    25+, and both of my parents still would have been in high school I believe. Would you?

  • valpohistory

    You're kidding right? Crean is one of the most enthusiastic people in all of the country and well respected by his peers as one of the better coaches in the NCAA. He never had the horses at Marquette because they aren't traditionally known as a power in basketball but when he did, ala Dwyane Wade, he took them to a final four. Even when he didn't have the horses, he was traditionally a 20+ win team. Dan Dakich said it perfectly last night, during the course of a season, one expects a team to take on the personality of their coach. Coach Crean continually brings it, day in and day out, recruiting, and coaching his tail off. His team hasn't brought it the last three games for reasons unforeseen. They are mentally and physically drained. This is not the coach's fault at all.

  • valpohistory

    Recruiting is a two way street. If you want JUCO players, they have to want to come to IU too. Unless you have inside information, there really aren't JUCO's that will give us anything that our current players don't, and that they need to be interested in us, as well as be talented enough to give us something we don't have.

  • Diesel

    My thoughts exactly. Jordy will get quicker and stronger and learn how to use his body much the same way Coverale did. Both Mr Basketballs, Jordy from a little stronger pedigree.

  • Diesel

    Interesting take on the shootaround. Can't remember the last 3 pointer that Rivers took in a game. Wow.

  • Diesel

    I'm sure you are referring to Evan Turner…..wanted to reach right into the TV and take care of that smug smile on his face while he enjoyed the first half from the pine.

    Anyone figure out the “blow-by” handshake between Crean and Matta yet?

  • Diesel

    26 Rebounds?

    I realize that is a byproduct of a lot of things, mainly Wisconsin shooting a great percentage from the field, which means our defense was not good. Wisconsin is also a great rebounding team. They by the way had 15 offensive boards. 15!

    Now in fairness, they only had 33 rebounds, but that is because we had 21 possessions without a shot.

    Rivers was our leading rebounder with 4. How in the world does Christian get 3 boards in 31 mins? Elston got 3 boards in 14 mins. I wish Crean would just throw it our there why he is not getting more minutes. He certainly plays hard and right now that is enough for me.

  • aceman07

    Neither was Tom Coverdale but he turned himself into a pretty solid point guard! He did it with strength and Jordan Hulls has the body style to put on some pounds of muscle and get to the point where he bodies up on guys, leans on them, and wears them down. His quickness would improve a little bit as well with the right college conditioning program so I think with his basketball knowledge and natural court vision he could be a really solid leader and very effective point guard offensively and adequate defensively with the right amount of work!

  • MikeinNC

    Coach Stokes retired around 1978, a couple years after winning the state championship, which was followed by a disappointing loss to Merrillville the following year. That's when Hoffman took over. Stokes was/is a friend of my dads. Great guy.

  • MikeinNC

    Maybe, I was class of '82.

  • aceman07

    Right on brother! I would appreciate it if you would move up the screen next time you're on here and respond to my opinion on Bawa's future and what it would mean to the positioning of the other players and the future.

  • vslice

    Quote from Einstein, “Definition of Insanity is doing to the same things over and over expecting different results.”

    Completely agree with you, the reason I agree is because this team is running the same sets. The high post picks into a weave from one side of the court to the other until it generally leads to a one-on-one move to the basket is getting very stale. Im not even sure what this is, motion, high post pick's into a roll, a variation of the Princeton offense without the back screen????? I've played and coached some youth basketball and have never really seen this offense ran as a staple set……….Guess it shows what I know!!!

    At this point I would really like to see these guys pick themselves up off the ground, hold their heads up and just try to make some kind of difference in these last few games. Only time will tell, but your description of this teams monotonous routines are extremely accurate. I just really doubt Crean would be willing to swallow some pride and reach out to an independent source. Nice gesture though!!!!!!!!!

  • vslice

    Yea I think this is part of the problem. This isn't Bob Knight's team and I'm kinda sick of hearing what BOB KNIGHT would have done. I'm much more interested in what Tom Crean is going to do about the situation. Bob Knight is gone, his legacy will never be forgotten and I think that's half the problem at least as the fans are concerned. If we can not get passed the whole “old Indiana way” and “this is what Bobby would have done”, I'm not sure we will ever get passed this as a basketball program or a basketball family. Indiana fans are better than this, Indiana fans are very knowledgeable when it comes to basketball. We have to start realizing that the old way is done and over with, the new way is Tom Crean. It cant be flashy commercials, big heads in the student section, cool slogan's on a t-shirt —- its gonna take some serious trust in TC running this program the right way!!!! Do you think TC really feels the IU fan base has his back?? The Bobby comparisons will always be there, but we have got to move on….or this program will continue to sink in the quick sand and shadows of “this is what BOB KNIGHT would have done”

  • Will

    I am serious!!! Crean does have a lot of energy but it does not appear to equate to effective teaching and communicating with the team. He has worked with these players since early last summer. They are no longer high school kids.Crean is the paid leader and is therefore accountable for all results. Results are obvious. In his audio after the game his best point was “Bo's players get better all the time”. No kidding!!! My opinion is that TC's arrogance and self promoting style is impacting his effectiveness to take IU to the level we want!!!

  • Kelin Blab

    After reading a lot of different perspectives about this team, some are a little depressing and others are more realistic, my thoughts are on what this team needs:

    + They need leadership, we all know it, you can't coach that and it is happening but not as fast as we would like. Jordan Hulls is becoming the leader of this team. I can tell by how the teams plays when he is in there and how he has become more vocal and consistent on the court. Just watch the next game and see…Jordy is by far the most consistent player on the team. Will he wow you, probaly not, will he hurt you over the next 3 years…probaly not….can you win with him playing…ask Bloomington South.

    + They need to focus. I want my three year old to focus 100% of the time…but he is three, and he has good days, moments and minutes and some bad ones….Just like IU….Focused for a half vs Ky, Focused solid road games vs PSU, Pitt, and ILLinois….but they have not been focused these past three games…..just like my 3 year old. Now I fully expect my three year old to focus more when he turns 4, then 5….get my point.

    + Tom Crean needs to….do what he is doing. Build build build. I know many want a new offense, new defense, Marquis Teague, John Wall to transfer, and Bobby Knight to become an assistant. However, this is a gutted program 2-3 MORE years away from becoming consistently competitve. These kids HAVE gotten better, remember the early season TO's, the lack of rebounding? Remember JR's F/T shooting? So I want what all of you want, an IU that is competitive and playing for national championships, the difference is, I am willing to wait. Or do you want us to hire Cal, Pitino, or Sampson?

    + We need 5 star players or JUCO players…..I agree, they are not coming in the 2010 class. So for me, give up on that happening. Are they coming….yes, probaly 2011 or 2012 at the earliest. However, there are some programs in this state that have laid a STRONG foundation without them and we know who those TWO programs are. This is the route IU has to take, then land that 5star, it ain't gonna happen any sooner. As far as JUCO, not interested personally. For every dean garrett and kieth smart, thare is a Jamarcus Ellis (JUCO player of the year) and Deandre Thomas. JUCO kids rarely make an immediate impact….ask all the big boys UNC, Kansas, etc.

    + One more….we need Christian Wateford to do more…..I agree, but CW will be a beast once he grows out of his High School body and gets a college body. He will be a stud, and the shots he is getting blocked now, won't happend down the road.

  • aceman07

    Oh man! How freaking depressing is it to realize that we're asking a freshman, and not even the most highly touted freshman, to take the reigns as the leader of the team?!?! I think there is a bit of desperation setting in for us life long IU fans. I do repeat this though. I think Bawa will develop after watching him a little bit the last couple games and if he does by the time he's a junior then good things could happen. Here' why I think so. If Bawa develops into a 5 man who can just put up 4-6 points, 8-10 rebounds, and 2-3 blocks per game then it bumps TP (as a senior) down to the 4 and allows Watford and Elston to play the 3. I think it puts everyone it the position they are best suited to play even VJ3 at the 2 instead of playing as a forward a lot of times in the zone. Of course, if we could just land Zeller or Plumlee then we'd have another solid 5, even as a freshman, to make sure TP stayed at 4 and Watford stayed at 3. I would be interested to hear some of you IU fans and respected posters comment on this and give me your outlook on the future. I understand I'm talking about two years from now when this freshman class are juniors and TP and VJ3 are seniors but I think it's going to take that long for Bawa to develop and we need that 5 at least on defense!!!

  • aceman07

    Wow, I should have read the replies to the last post before I responded. Now I seem a bit redundant!

  • aceman07

    You know, that's a really good point. My freshman year of college, playing baseball, I played on my first losing team. That same team went on to win the conference two of the next three years and as a freshman (who started and played by the way so I was involved) it killed me! I had played on little league city championship teams, Babe Ruth league, county, and state championship teams, and high school sectional and regional championship teams and then I arrive at college and although we were decent and close to .500 we were a losing team and didn't win anything that year. I didn't know how to handle it and was really lost losing for the first time in my life!

    The point I'm trying to make is imagine what it has to be like for guys like Watford, Hulls, and Elston who played for winning teams in high school and probably all their lives? Losing in itself can suck the life out of you if you aren't extremely mentally tough and let's face it, a lot of young kids now days aren't prepared to lose. So, asking one of these young kids to step up and lead amidst what could be a shell shocking first experience at being the doormat might be a little presumptuous of many of us!

    Your post was sort of a revelation for me as a fan this year! Great post.

  • aceman07

    What I would like to know is what was different against Illinois and Purdue? I watched both games in their entirety as I'm sure most of you did and I remember seeing off the ball screens, players moving without the ball, and open shots!!! What the heck happened? We're all the sudden back to the stagnant, stale looking stand around and watch the weave offense with no movement or fluidity at all! Why? Is it that the players have just given up or hit the proverbial wall or did we scheme differently for those two games and then went back to the regular crap after?

  • aceman07

    Right on brother! I would appreciate it if you would move up the screen next time you're on here and respond to my opinion on Bawa's future and what it would mean to the positioning of the other players and the future.

  • aceman07

    I have one thing to say to those of you who are braving the away games this year! It's like taking your cousin to her senior prom as a sophomore cause she can't find a date! LOL. People look at you like, “Awe, you poor soul”!

    God bless you for having the stones to go watch this team on the road and feel like your cousins date!

  • Kelin Blab

    Ace that is a realistic and great expecatation of Bawa by the time he is a junior. I know we alllll wanted him on the court early and crean said not yet. Obviously he is raw but has made some strides and I can see him being a solid defender. He seems to hold his ground well and will add to his already “jobe” like body. I wish other could see beyond this year but I think Crean is on his way….

    G-VJ3 -Sr.
    G Creek -Jr
    G Hulls -jr
    F- Wateford jr
    C. Bawa Jr
    or TP

    This is NOT a bad lineup and a tourney team, not to mention Elston, Carlino, Sheehey, VO, Etc.
    Next year if we got 5-6 rebounds and a couple of blocks out of Bawa, that is solid and I am for certain this kid will work at it during the offseason. If Tijan is the most improved player from last year according to Crean, what would he do with Bawa who has some skills coming in…..

    Now if we get a zeller or Plumlee…..IU is there in two years. I wish people can see that….

  • IUMIKE1

    aceman07 could not agree more with your post. I have been saying for some time now that Watford is going to be at his best if we can get to a point where he can play the 3. This will allow for him to shoot over shorter defenders in the post and over them on the outside and go around bigger slower defenders. Crean's offense may not be big man oriented but with this team sooooo many other things will, I think, be determined by how well Bawa's development goes. Not only does his development allow CW to play the 3 but opens up so many more options for so many other players on so many other things and just generally gives Crean the flexability to open up his playbook in full. Something else it does, down the road, is helps us in recruiting another quality big man that is ready to contribute right off the bat and haviing a quality big man on the roster is going to make the big time recruits at the other positions look at us and go… OH YEA he's going to help my game and help me look good. So like I said you are completely right and the sooner Bawa steps up and starts making an impact on this team the sooner we get back to where we all want to be.

  • marsh21

    Yes, Evan Turner and others. It sucks to be laughed at like we are. Just imagine how the players feel…

    Not sure what happened with the handshake. I tried to find something on it but came up empty. There is certainly something wrong with their relationship.

  • robinnc

    This is a very much appreciated post, and very insightful. I also appreciate hearing from a young fan, someone who has thoughts from a perspective other than that of those of use who remember the glory years under Knight, and yearn for a quick return to such days where we expected to win every game.

  • valpohistory

    It isn't as if the team hasn't played up to their potential all year? Unless I am very mistaken, you weren't claiming Crean to be arrogant and self promoting when we were winning ball games. They have played as a reflection of Coach Crean at several points this year. They played with a calm and confidence that Crean shows when they played Pitt, Michigan, Illinois close loss, Purdue close loss, the Maryland game, the first half against Kentucky. They have taken the personality of their coach, but then they have a breakdown and now Crean is a terrible coach? I don't get you, but you seem set in your ways so we will have to agree to disagree

  • valpohistory

    While I agree that people can't expect what Bobby would have done in these situations to apply because RMK never had to deal with something like this. This is foreign to almost every single basketball program in the country, outside of their beginning stages of a program. Sure, some teams have done it, but truly, how many of the elite programs in the country have ever had to be completely rebuilt as IU is? Stop saying what Bob would have done, and embrace the new regime. V, you couldn't have said it any better

  • valpohistory

    While I agree that people can't expect what Bobby would have done in these situations to apply because RMK never had to deal with something like this. This is foreign to almost every single basketball program in the country, outside of their beginning stages of a program. Sure, some teams have done it, but truly, how many of the elite programs in the country have ever had to be completely rebuilt as IU is? Stop saying what Bob would have done, and embrace the new regime. V, you couldn't have said it any better

  • valpohistory

    I think it's the wall. They just haven't mentally been here the last three games. Also, I think their shooting has been bad. In all of the games we have good showings in, we come out firing and hitting our shots. If we don't see the ball go in the bucket, we get sunk. FAST.

  • valpohistory

    I think it's the wall. They just haven't mentally been here the last three games. Also, I think their shooting has been bad. In all of the games we have good showings in, we come out firing and hitting our shots. If we don't see the ball go in the bucket, we get sunk. FAST.

  • valpohistory

    I think it's the wall. They just haven't mentally been here the last three games. Also, I think their shooting has been bad. In all of the games we have good showings in, we come out firing and hitting our shots. If we don't see the ball go in the bucket, we get sunk. FAST.

  • valpohistory

    So was my mom. She won homecoming queen and my dad played baseball for our high school team. He graduated in 83. My aunt graduated in 81 also. My family has been in Valpo for a long time

  • valpohistory

    It isn't as if the team hasn't played up to their potential all year? Unless I am very mistaken, you weren't claiming Crean to be arrogant and self promoting when we were winning ball games. They have played as a reflection of Coach Crean at several points this year. They played with a calm and confidence that Crean shows when they played Pitt, Michigan, Illinois close loss, Purdue close loss, the Maryland game, the first half against Kentucky. They have taken the personality of their coach, but then they have a breakdown and now Crean is a terrible coach? I don't get you, but you seem set in your ways so we will have to agree to disagree

  • valpohistory

    While I agree that people can't expect what Bobby would have done in these situations to apply because RMK never had to deal with something like this. This is foreign to almost every single basketball program in the country, outside of their beginning stages of a program. Sure, some teams have done it, but truly, how many of the elite programs in the country have ever had to be completely rebuilt as IU is? Stop saying what Bob would have done, and embrace the new regime. V, you couldn't have said it any better

  • valpohistory

    I think it's the wall. They just haven't mentally been here the last three games. Also, I think their shooting has been bad. In all of the games we have good showings in, we come out firing and hitting our shots. If we don't see the ball go in the bucket, we get sunk. FAST.

  • valpohistory

    My mom's family is the Wood's

  • MikeinNC

    Wow, now you have me curious, do you have an email address where I can contact you so we can talk more in-depth, or a FB page? Curious to find out if I know your folks….

  • valpohistory

    Sure, email me at jdwithro@indiana.edu

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